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An Israeli man has been killed and his wife and two children wounded after their car was fired on in the occupied West Bank, the military says. It happened near the Jewish settlement of Otniel. The man was killed when the car overturned after the attack. Israeli forces are searching for a Palestinian gunman. It is the second fatal attack on an Israeli in the West Bank in two days. On Thursday a 13-year-old girl was killed in her bedroom by a Palestinian. Thirty-five Israelis have now been killed in a wave of knife, gun and car-ramming attacks since October. More than 200 Palestinians - mostly attackers, Israel says - have also been killed in that period. The assailants who have been killed have been shot either by their victims or by security forces as they carried out attacks. Some attackers have been arrested. Palestinian shot dead The victims of Friday's attack were members of the same family. The driver was a father, said to be in his 40s; his wife and two children were taken to hospital for treatment. The shooting happened on Route 60, about nine miles (15km) south of the settlement of Kiryat Arba, where a day earlier teenager Hallel Yaffa Ariel was stabbed to death as she slept. |
Just so we're on the same page what exactly does 'reform Islam' mean to you? Buford pls explain as well
Lol (Looks left and right to make sure wife isnt around..whispers 'invite me too..')
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A religion responsible for inspiring and justifying 28,000 deadly attacks since 9/11 is fine the way it is! No reform needed.
Just so we're on the same page what exactly does 'reform Islam' mean to you? Buford pls explain as well
It means removing all support for all beliefs that hinder human rights, universal morality (human well-being) and provide excuses to persecute all people.
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A religion responsible for inspiring and justifying 28,000 deadly attacks since 9/11 is fine the way it is! No reform needed.
Just so we're on the same page what exactly does 'reform Islam' mean to you? Buford pls explain as well
It means removing all support for all beliefs that hinder human rights and universal morality (human well-being). It basically means people can believe whatever they want, but stop hurting people.
Yet there are still 100s of millions that believe a slaughtering warlord who was completely intolerant, is the ultimate example of a human/prophet, who should be emulated. Killing all non-believers, raping prepubescent girls, murdering anyone for cartoons and similar forms of blasphemy, death to homosexuals, no rights for women, death for apostasy.
A great example for 1.5B people to follow. Thank sweet buttery jeezus there are a few million who have reformed.
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is a secular state for the most part. Just because its' reason for being is based on religious murder and persecution, doesn't change the fact that it is a tolerant, secular and diverse country ruled by secular law.
Am I missing something ?
Yes you are. Israeli Arabs, while they can enjoy an excellent existence in Israel and are allowed voting rights and can serve in the Knesset are not allowed 100% the rights of Jewish Israeli's. Also for your and Buford's consumption there has been a huge struggle for decades between the Orthodox who are a huge minority and most of the Israeli Jews who are secular Jews. The orthodox have controlled certain important laws such as the fact that Israel will only officially recognized marriage ceremonies performed by orthodox Rabbi's. Again Israel is a wonderful country that is much more tolerant than an oppressive Islamic state such as Saudi Arabia. However it is incorrect to state that is only the Koran or Arab states that let theology rule civil law.
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It seems to me, that what you described is a reasonable struggle between secular and religious forces, as one might expect in an evolving world that has dealt with thousands of years of religious law ruling the land, before the advent of science, humanism, rational thought, etc.
The same is true in the US as many Christians believe the fantasies attributed to God in the Bible, should have a say in the laws of our land. Rational progress of science, human well-being, etc are thankfully mitigated the harm caused by such religious fantasies.
The reverse (or at least no progress) is occurring in Islam, as fear of Islamophobia and offending people, has become the battle cry of western liberal thought, who now place such horrible, speech and thought-stifling principles above the freedoms, lives and well-being of billions of humans who might otherwise benefit from the progress of human rights discussions and criticism of this ideology. The hypocrisy is staggering.
If one changed the name from "Islamism" to "Nazism" it would be perfectly clear. But apparently that is asking too much of the human brain. The burden is on the people that make the extraordinary claims to the exclusive revelations of God. Not on rational man and humankind. It does not matter if it is religious ideology, political ideology, or any other type of ideology.
AP...I care deeply about Muslims and the horrible religious ideology that has enslaved them. Islam, on the other hand, I do hate. There are many minor qualities about it, but the thousands of inspiring beliefs of murder, hatred and intolerance tip the scales against it a bit.
It really has everything to do with the thread topic. The political arguments of the Israeli/"Palestinian" conflict are the equivalent of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, as compared to a religious ideology.
People don't kill themselves and innocent human beings along the way without a perceived will of God and heavenly reward. Islam is the only religion that inspires, justifies and (supposedly) rewards this behavior.
Nice try. The usual cries of "Islamophobia" from people that support the right of others to claim that God has told them who should live and die.
We could all do with a lot more hatred of horrible ideas and a lot less hatred of people our religion considers subhuman. Sorry that you are unable to tell the difference.
You clearly have a strong disdain for religion in general (judging by your comments about the bible as well) with special dislike for Islam. Thats your business of course.
Heres what I will tell you though. Theres 6 million Muslims here in the U.S., Millions all over Europe in predominantly nonmuslim countries and 1.2 billion on earth.
If the garbage you said was true, we would have 6 million murderers running around killing people here in the U.S., hundreds of thousands of suicide bombings in Europe and 1.2 billion people on a rampage world wide.
I would tell you to reasses your thinking but again, much like the sick radicals in Islam, sometimes a person just has a hateful brain. And whether theyre Muslim, Christian or Aethiest, everytime they open their mouth, the hate in their souls will become readily apparent to all. But pls keep convincing yourself your 'telling it like it is.'
Where is mujahir justifying Palestinian response? He's providing context for a sentiment and combatting the idea of an overly simplistic 'good guy, bad guy' narrative most people here adhere to. Plenty of blame to go around in the middle east.
However, BBI shows its typical form here. Arabs are described as 'animals', 'constantly at war with each other (never mind the fact its coming from European descendants which warred with each other mercilessly as well until about 75 years ago)', etc...from the usual suspects.
This is a common argument made by supporters of the Arabs of the Palestinian area. The "good guy/bad guy" narrative is (or should be, it isn't anymore for many reasons that are the shame of the modern world) effective, because the moral analysis of this conflict should require the basic knowledge of a 6th grader.
There is not "plenty of blame to go around" in the ME. Not at all.
Israel does deserve criticism and Judaism does as well. There are the settlements and there are some ultra Orthodox viewpoints that support what could be considered similar to the tactics used by the Muslim world. But the proportion of this is so one-sided that it is almost comical to compare them.
Overseer does bring up some good points and it is asking for trouble for any state to be founded on a religion, as we can clearly see from the complete dysfunction in Muslim-dominated countries.
Unfortunately, the rest of the world has made it abundantly clear that it cannot tolerate Jews and has proven over and over again that they are a ton of fun to butcher, blame, rob and persecute. To say that the Jews “have the United States” does not seem to address the issue that Jews from all over the world cannot gain permanent entry to the US as easily as into Israel. If I am wrong on this, please feel free to correct me. This seems highly unlikely, but perhaps I am wrong….I am not an expert on the history of Jewish emigration, but it is not a stretch to see that Jews have almost never been welcome anywhere for long, and almost every historical narrative has ended in blood and tears for them. Why does the US have to be the only place that welcomes these HUMANS ?
There are about 15 million Jews in the world. I won’t belabor the fact that there are still less than there were before the event (that starts with an “H”) occurred in the 40s, since we all know that a significant portion of the Islamic world claims that this event never happened. It would require way too much humanity to actually acknowledge such a dark stain on the human race and perhaps might undermine all the other arguments about Zionism and the Zionists/Jews having caused 9/11, as well as many other major Islamic-inspired and justified terrorist attacks, as well as the blame for who is killing off the bees and melting the polar ice caps.
Even Orthodox Jews question whether or not their God hears their prayers. Millions of other Jews do not even believe in God, which is actually ALLOWED in the religion. Sure, a lot of the Old Testament is horrible, but almost no Jews take it seriously anymore. There is virtually no threat of Jews using it to declare the Jewish equivalent of Jihad upon the unsuspecting members of every other non-Jewish religion in the world. Do Muslims get let off the hook because their religion just happens to support the murder of Jews and other non-believers ? It seems that they do. I have yet to come across one “liberal” who can stand to criticize an ideology and culture that a large percentage of people think it also OK to kill gays (as long as it is not on US soil like Orlando, or maybe in Europe)…yet if others bring it up, they scream “islamophobia” as if offending people and free speech (holy fuck…you mean we can…<gasp> stomach free speech still in the world? Apparently not…Charlie Hebdo anyone ???? Those cartoons were “offensive”…..) were greater crimes than the stoning death of homosexuals. Regarding Charlie Hebdo and the murder of Theo Van Gogh, every western newspaper in the world should have put the blasphemous cartoons on their front cover as a show of heroic moral principles, but that would be asking too much from a world filled with cowards who love to call themselves “liberal” but seem to have forgotten the principles that make them so.
Returning to our main topic of discussion, “yes” the Israelis/Jews have committed some horrible acts over the years. Unfortunately, they have been forced to do this over and over again by their enemies. They have been made brutal by their enemies to a large degree. They have used more restraint, humanity, tolerance, than the US or European countries have ever used in any of the wars they have fought. They have also faced more condemnation and scorn in the international community than any country ever has had to face outside of Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan, perhaps. But the big difference there is that Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were the aggressors and not the defenders. The Israelis have been forced to do the things they have done. They have repeatedly been attacked militarily and through terrorism of their civilian population. The double standard to which the international community holds them is a horrifying indictment of warped morality and cowardice. The criticism they have received is completely disproportionate to the level of restraint they have shown.
People see the occupation as having caused the problems, but this is a moral illusion. It is a failure to understand both the actual causes of the conflict, as well as an inability to understand the motives and intentions of the people on both sides.
Israel is surrounded by people who have an explicit genocidal goal. They use Koranic prophesies that call out for the earth to be soaked in Jewish blood, for the trees and stones to call out “there is a Jew behind me…come and kill him.” Not only is the “H” event denied by a majority in the Muslim world, the neighbors say “we will do it for real the first chance we get.” So the Arabs in Palestine put in power Hamas and similar corrupt leaders founded on this and then cry foul when Israel defends herself ? At what point do we hold these people accountable for this ? Do they get let off the hook because a tiny fraction of “their” lands (where there are no Jews, Christians or anyone else left for the most part) are occupied and now they are victims ?
• The Israelis build bomb shelters, the Arabs build tunnels to attack women and children. Israel gets blamed for defending their population.
• Arab children’s TV shows teach toddlers about the glory of martyrdom and jihad ? Must be Israel’s fault.
This is the moral difference between Israel and the Palestinian (and many other) Arabs (and Muslims).
If you cannot understand this and I am sure many cannot, just consider what would happen if either side had the power to do what it wanted. Surely the Israelis could wipe out Gaza and many other places, along with all its’ Muslim residents. But the truth is the Israelis do not target children and non-combatants, and spend millions and millions trying to avoid killing innocent people. Yes, soldiers freak out in war and commit war crimes, but generally speaking, the Israelis go to every reasonable and moral length to avoid killing non-combatants.
Well…we know what would happen if the Arabs had any power to inflict damage. They show it over and over again by killing with suicide bombers (only religion in the world that does this), knives, rocks. The charter of their government explicitly promotes and supports this.
The Arabs have created a culture of death and used the fundamental extremism (which is rampant in mainstream Islamic doctrine) to create the most vitriolic and loathsome ideology that has ever existed in the modern world. As a comparison, you would be hard pressed to find average Germans (maybe even non-leadership Nazis) who would so openly preach and support the outright murder of others because of their race, nationality and geography, much less who they are because of where they were born. Yet, this is supported and preached openly in vast sections of the Muslim world.
And the rest of the world criticizes Israel, because it is easier than standing up to the powder keg of the Islamic world. And as we have seen, Israel is losing this battle of propaganda more and more. And all the people who fall for this under the pretense of “liberalism” and defending against “Islamophobia” (an almost useless term as it cannot be irrational to fear Islam, given both the words and blood that comes out of the mainstream and accepted ideology of Islam).
Where is the outrage in the Muslim world and on the Left for the tens of thousands of Muslims, Yazidis, Christians shot, blown up, burned and crucified in the name of Islam ? Oh that’s right, we can only support BDS, UN condemnation, etc if it is against the Jews who killed a few Muslims, mostly in self-defense, and in many cases accidentally.
Which side of this conflict uses human shields and which side is deterred by them ? This is a specific Muslim tactic and used consistently. They believe the Jews are the evil spawn of apes and pigs and rely on the fact that these apes and pigs have the moral capacity to try NOT to kill their own Muslim children and hospital patients !!!
Can you imagine if the Israelis tried the same tactic ? Tried to use Jewish women and children as human shields against the jihadis ? It would be pointless.
If you cannot see the moral clarity of this, you need to do a much better job of understanding morality and the equality of human life….and I don’t mean the convenient “relative” kind, where you get to use your religious beliefs, or exclusive claims of the revelations of what God wants, to support your argument.
Again, all the political arguments are secondary to this….as there is no political solution when God commands Jewish (and other non-Muslim) blood, in Israel and everywhere else. If Israel disappeared tomorrow, southern Spain, the Vatican, the Caucasus, Europe, would all have a good chance of being the next Israel. After all, it is what God wants.
You clearly have a strong disdain for religion in general (judging by your comments about the bible as well) with special dislike for Islam. Thats your business of course.
Heres what I will tell you though. Theres 6 million Muslims here in the U.S., Millions all over Europe in predominantly nonmuslim countries and 1.2 billion on earth.
If the garbage you said was true, we would have 6 million murderers running around killing people here in the U.S., hundreds of thousands of suicide bombings in Europe and 1.2 billion people on a rampage world wide.
I would tell you to reasses your thinking but again, much like the sick radicals in Islam, sometimes a person just has a hateful brain. And whether theyre Muslim, Christian or Aethiest, everytime they open their mouth, the hate in their souls will become readily apparent to all. But pls keep convincing yourself your 'telling it like it is.'
Again, the usual tactic for calling the criticism of vile religious and ideological belies "hate" in the hopes that everyone else will see your poor attempt to conflate this as bigotry and hatred of actual people because of who they are.
Sorry, I have been seeing through this for years, mostly from the honest do-gooders at CAIR. Of course, the same is often used by large parts of the left, as well as the large majority of the Muslim world who prefers to blame everyone but themselves for the culture of death they have created.
Don't worry, you are not alone in your complete inability to comprehend such a basic argument.
And of course, you chime in with the conflation of assigning my criticism to all Muslims (in the US and in the world), as if I have ever said once that every Muslim is guilty of acting upon the teachings of their dreadful religious doctrine. So to be clear : I do not believe all Muslims are terrorists.
Feel better now ?
Let me ask you some questions :
Do religious beliefs accepted in Islam cause the same harm as those of other religions ? If not, why ?
Does that include all religions ? Is the Islamic world at all culpable for the bloodshed it causes in the name of Allah, the Prophet and Islam ? Or can all the blame and troubles be laid at the feet of non-Muslims ?
Stu - I will go ahead and apologize for hijacking this thread then, but I clearly believe that there is no political solution and this conflict is just a small part of a much bigger problem that will not become clear to people until it ends in smoking craters in major western cities and a "reset" button response by the west to the threat of Islam. The technological weaponry evolution and refusal to deal with things in any semblance of open dialogue about the teachings of Islam pretty much guarantee this future.
However, you deliberately gloss over Israeli wrongs in regards to the conflict there, with seemingly little thought. Or whatever ramifications our war in Iraq may have had with regards to ISIS.b The west has hardly been a guilt free entity. By your logic, all Americans could be smeared as bloodthirsty imprerialst gluttons by the eastern hemisphere.
And btw, tarring Mohammad as a rapist is an old classic conservative argument to discredit his philosophy--the social norms of almost every society including Romans was to marry women as young as 8 and they were often pregnant between 11-14. This is one of the most selective bogus arguments out there. Our founding fathers were slaveowners as well, moral compasses are reset constantly over time. Even as you have some decent arguments, this really discredits any valid critique you may have and puts you in the camp of someone with an agenda.
However, you deliberately gloss over Israeli wrongs in regards to the conflict there, with seemingly little thought. Or whatever ramifications our war in Iraq may have had with regards to ISIS.b The west has hardly been a guilt free entity. By your logic, all Americans could be smeared as bloodthirsty imprerialst gluttons by the eastern hemisphere.
And btw, tarring Mohammad as a rapist is an old classic conservative argument to discredit his philosophy--the social norms of almost every society including Romans was to marry women as young as 8 and they were often pregnant between 11-14. This is one of the most selective bogus arguments out there. Our founding fathers were slaveowners as well, moral compasses are reset constantly over time. Even as you have some decent arguments, this really discredits any valid critique you may have and puts you in the camp of someone with an agenda.
And btw, tarring Mohammad as a rapist is an old classic conservative argument to discredit his philosophy--the social norms of almost every society including Romans was to marry women as young as 8 and they were often pregnant between 11-14. This is one of the most selective bogus arguments out there. Our founding fathers were slaveowners as well, moral compasses are reset constantly over time. Even as you have some decent arguments, this really discredits any valid critique you may have and puts you in the camp of someone with an agenda.
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So it's clear to me that criticism of the prophet should not invoke death threats. I don't see how comparing cultural norms regarding free speech has anything to do with my point.
I don't see a lot of people making the argument the US as a concept should be discredited because our founders engaged in activity that would be frowned upon today. I certainly wouldn't.
Trying to discredit Islam as a religion by citing the marriage rituals of 1500 years (many of which were shared by European culture) is pathetic and a poor argument. And says a lot about the selective use of facts.
So sorry, if this argument holds any water for you, which it comes across as by your post, your clearly have a bone to pick.
Israeli has indeed committed evils but they had no choice.
Funny how your an expert of Islam but make no mention of violence or intolerance of judiasm. You basically just mumbled ' we dont follow that stuff' and quickly moved on to more Islam bashing.
Very simply, many Jews believe that they are the chosen people. Thats why many Jews in Israel have no problem with the occupation or brutalization of the palestinians because theyre viewed as subhuman.
Infact many believe in judaic law that it is perfectly permissible to kill a child they MIGHT grow up to hurt a jew in the future (i guess every single palestian kid can fit that criteria right mikey??)
Here are some extremely violent verses in the old testament that Im sure you would NEVER share here because your only an expert on Islam. Not judiasm i know (wink wink)
Deuteronomy 20:10-18 (If the inhabitants of a distant city refuse to surrender into forced labour, then lay siege to the city. After they are defeated, kill all prisoners of war and take the women and children as plunder. As for the inhabitants of a chosen city, they must all die. Women, children, animals, everything, for the victimless crime of simply living in the wrong place)
When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced laborand shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to
“Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” (1 Samuel 15:3 NIV)
“They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys”? (Joshua 6:21 NIV)
Exodus 22:18-20
Do not allow a sorceress to live. Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death. Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.
Exodus 31:15
'For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath daymust be put to death.'
Leviticus 20:9
"If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death."
Leviticus 20:13 (Kill all homosexuals)
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death."
Leviticus 20:27
"A man or woman who is a spiritist among you must be put to death."
Leviticus 26:14-16,22,25,29-33:
But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, then I will do this to you: I will bring upon you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and drain away your life. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it.
I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.
And I will bring the sword upon you to avenge the breaking of the covenant. When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands.
You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you. I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. I will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled. I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins.
Deuteronomy 13:6-9 (Your brother, your children, your wife, or your closest friend must be killed if they commit the victimless crime of suggesting religious exploration)
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.
But as I've said before, I put 90% of the blame on the leadership in the Arab world and not the people.
I would never do that though, because painting people with a hateful broadbrush is ignorance thats disguised as unfiltered 'truth'.
Valid critiques are always fair game in my mind. Lots to criticize about the Middle East and even the moderate followers of Islam today not distancing themselves enough from its more extreme elements......
But when it's one sided, lacks self reflection and critique, I'm not inclined to listen to the messenger.
Here big Al. Of course only the extemists would believe that. But if it were an Islamic doctine, Mikey would tell everyone that ALL muslims live by it and have it on their bumper stickers
"Just weeks after the arrest of alleged Jewish terrorist, Yaakov Teitel, a West Bank rabbi on Monday released a book giving Jews permission to kill Gentiles who threaten Israel.
Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.
Shapiro based the majority of his teachings on passages quoted from the Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs."
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If Muhammad's lifestyle choices bother you regarding his relationship with child brides, I'd ask if you analyze Jewish and Christian prophets with the same magnifying glass. As I've never heard this argument apply to anyone else, my guess is no.
If Muhammad's lifestyle choices bother you regarding his use of violence, his tactics were shaped by the reality of the conditions he lived in and the threats he faced. I don't see Muhammad as particularly different than other European leaders who used military might.
Muhammad sought to bring order to a tribal society that practiced female child burials, was corrupt and slave driven, and gluttonous in his eyes. His method was fairly Machiavellian before Machiavelli.
In other words, if Muhammad particularly bothers you and you don't share the same reservations regarding other historical figures your being biased. I can't answer that....
So everything i wrote isnt for mike, he's warped. Its for everyone else reading.
Btw Mike, you do realize if someone hated black people too they could spout off crime in black areas, rituals in african tribe's and nations, genocides they've committed, etc. If someone wants to hate any group of people they can find material for it. You just happen to hate Islam and Muslims. Theres Mike in mandins just like you that hates jews, theres a mike in mandrin that hates Hindus, theres a M n M that hates blacks. Many different hateful people in the world, your not unique in that regard.
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"Infact many believe in judaic law that it is perfectly permissible to kill a child they MIGHT grow up to hurt a jew in the future (i guess every single palestian kid can fit that criteria right mikey??)"
Here big Al. Of course only the extemists would believe that. But if it were an Islamic doctine, Mikey would tell everyone that ALL muslims live by it and have it on their bumper stickers
"Just weeks after the arrest of alleged Jewish terrorist, Yaakov Teitel, a West Bank rabbi on Monday released a book giving Jews permission to kill Gentiles who threaten Israel.
Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.
Shapiro based the majority of his teachings on passages quoted from the Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs."
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"Infact many believe in judaic law that it is perfectly permissible to kill a child they MIGHT grow up to hurt a jew in the future (i guess every single palestian kid can fit that criteria right mikey??)"
Here big Al. Of course only the extemists would believe that. But if it were an Islamic doctine, Mikey would tell everyone that ALL muslims live by it and have it on their bumper stickers
"Just weeks after the arrest of alleged Jewish terrorist, Yaakov Teitel, a West Bank rabbi on Monday released a book giving Jews permission to kill Gentiles who threaten Israel.
Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.
Shapiro based the majority of his teachings on passages quoted from the Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs."
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i would then change your wording to a few crazies who most Jews who hear this stuff would immediately condemn.
Yesss. Now lets also change Mikes wording for everything he wrote to that very same thing pls
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The Muslim world is going through a painful transformation. It will be better in a hundred years.
280 attacks by Muslim Palestinians on Jews irrespective of whether the are military and police targets or little girls sleeping in their beds or pregnant women...
One thing I know for sure, Palestinian leaders have said it on record:
If the balance of military power were reversed, if the Palestinians had the weapons and military and the Israelis merely private guns and some kassam missiles...
The Israelis would be wiped out in a matter of days.
Or as the Palestinian leader put it: "if we had their weapons this conflict would be over in a matter of days."
You are way off on your accusations.
The most common feeling of the average Israeli is just as Golda Meir once said:
"We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for making us kill their children."
Paraphrased. But it remains true to this day.
Mike in Marin cites Muhammad as a pedophile, blantantly ignoring the marriage norms of the day AND the very history of all hydro christian prophets. For example.
280 attacks by Muslim Palestinians on Jews irrespective of whether the are military and police targets or little girls sleeping in their beds or pregnant women...
One thing I know for sure, Palestinian leaders have said it on record:
If the balance of military power were reversed, if the Palestinians had the weapons and military and the Israelis merely private guns and some kassam missiles...
The Israelis would be wiped out in a matter of days.
Or as the Palestinian leader put it: "if we had their weapons this conflict would be over in a matter of days."
You are way off on your accusations.
The most common feeling of the average Israeli is just as Golda Meir once said:
"We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for making us kill their children."
Paraphrased. But it remains true to this day.
Bluelou, whats the 'wtf' about? Do you really believe theres only been 3 palestinian deaths in the current intifada? Deaths have been in the thousands and thousands, men women and childred from Israeli strikes and raids into some of the most densly populated areas in the world.
Btw, everything i posted about judiasm and extremist views is to highlight why SHOULDNT be painting each other with a hateful broadbrush.
Again, the Palestian Israeli conflict is a political one. Does Mike believe that Christian Palestinians are perfectly fine with living under a humiliating occupations and dont have any disdain for getting their roads cut off by unmanned road blocks (preventing ambulances from using main roads), having water and electricity cut off as a collective punishment to hundreds of thousands when 1 palestinian attacks, having a government policy that an entire home will literally bull dozed when one member of a palestinian family commits a terrorist act (that would be like having a rule for All blacks here in the U.S., if a member of your family commits a murder, the government will literally bulldoze the family's entire home as punishment for raising a murder)
Long list but yes... political conflict. And no this intifada isnt 3 Palestinian deaths vs 280 Israelis attacked. Far from it.
Mike in Marin cites Muhammad as a pedophile, blantantly ignoring the marriage norms of the day AND the very history of all hydro christian prophets. For example.
Yes Hassan. Ty