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NFT: Euro 2016 Saturday

George : 7/2/2016 3:29 am
Italy awakens this morning fortified for their match with Germany by Wales' stunning upset of heavily favored Belgium, and with the Cinderella story of Iceland on everyone's lips. Can the Azzurri dispatch the favorites, too?

The media over here (I'm in Rome) invoke the Spanish conquest as evidence of an Italian resurgence, and with good reason. But resting on laurels won during the last contest is always bad policy in sports. I sense the same kind of feeling here that I had before that tilt with Spain - everyone happy to be there, surprised by this resilient Italian squad, but not really expecting to advance. We shall see.

Meanwhile, RAI 1 is showing the replay of Wales/Belgium right now, and I get to see the game I missed last night. What a tremendous team victory that turned out to be.
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Close game as expected  
Tony in Berlin : 7/2/2016 4:58 pm : link
Bad mistake by the otherwise perfect Boateng. I still believe Germany will pull this one out.
Wow Draxler  
Big Rick in FL : 7/2/2016 5:21 pm : link
Had a man wide open & provided a terrible pass. That should have been the game winner.
Ref completely blew the  
section125 : 7/2/2016 5:25 pm : link
call on Steinschwager.
Buffon vs Neuer on penalties  
section125 : 7/2/2016 5:32 pm : link
can't get any better.
Whose got the advantage in PKs?  
Big Rick in FL : 7/2/2016 5:33 pm : link
Germany has the better scorers. Two great goalkeepers though. Buffon is the GK I fear the most in penalty kicks. If Real Madrid went to PKs I'd much rather fade Neuer then Gigi.
Buffon  
giantBCP : 7/2/2016 5:34 pm : link
has never been a great penalty stopper.
These  
AcidTest : 7/2/2016 5:44 pm : link
guys need to practice their penalties. All that stutter stepping isn’t working. This one for the win.
those were some truly  
MookGiants : 7/2/2016 5:49 pm : link
awful PK's.

even the winner  
MookGiants : 7/2/2016 5:50 pm : link
should have been stopped
Damn.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 7/2/2016 5:50 pm : link
As a 25 percent Italian.
Just  
AcidTest : 7/2/2016 5:51 pm : link
as I say Germany can win, they miss. But then eventually win. That’s all that counts.
Crazy shootout  
Giants in 07 : 7/2/2016 5:52 pm : link
Crazy game.

Love watching these two teams play
Conte's going to be rueing the Zaza sub  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/2/2016 5:52 pm : link
Germany's kind of sleptwalked through this tournament, no?
Some of the worst penalties  
B in ALB : 7/2/2016 5:54 pm : link
you've ever seen. World class players missing by 3-4 feet?

I really appreciate Buffon again watching him. Class, class, class.
RE: Conte's going to be rueing the Zaza sub  
Giants in 07 : 7/2/2016 5:54 pm : link
In comment 13019281 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Germany's kind of sleptwalked through this tournament, no?


This one is on Pelle. That was a straight choke and the worst penalty I've see
About as even a game as  
section125 : 7/2/2016 5:54 pm : link
you can see...
Congrats to Italy. They played well. Too bad it was a quarter final...
And the penalty to win it  
B in ALB : 7/2/2016 5:56 pm : link
Was pure shit. Hector got very, very lucky.
RE: RE: Conte's going to be rueing the Zaza sub  
section125 : 7/2/2016 5:56 pm : link
In comment 13019285 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 13019281 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:


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Germany's kind of sleptwalked through this tournament, no?



This one is on Pelle. That was a straight choke and the worst penalty I've see


Yes, but Mueller's wasn't much better - lackluster and timid.
Finally  
Tony in Berlin : 7/2/2016 5:58 pm : link
The curse is over. On to the semifinal.
The better team won  
JPinstripes : 7/2/2016 6:00 pm : link
Congratulations to Germany.

If France is the opponent in the semi finals they better look out. France has talent and will punish the Germans when they come forward.
Worst set of PKs ever?  
Big Rick in FL : 7/2/2016 6:01 pm : link
Wow. I really don't remember ever seeing both teams shoot such terrible PKs.
That  
Jon in NYC : 7/2/2016 6:15 pm : link
Zaza penalty...HAHAHAHA.

That might be the worst penalty of all time when you include the goofy ass run up.

Germany was the better team and deserved to advance anyway. Iceland is a nice story, but I'd love to see a France-Germany semi.
RE: That  
Aspano! : 7/2/2016 6:23 pm : link
In comment 13019316 Jon in NYC said:
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Zaza penalty...HAHAHAHA.

That might be the worst penalty of all time when you include the goofy ass run up.

Germany was the better team and deserved to advance anyway. Iceland is a nice story, but I'd love to see a France-Germany semi.


Saying Germany was the better team is dumb. It was pretty even, except for 2 minutes in which Italy's concentration fell off and Germany scored. The game was a tactical battle and deserved to go to penalties. Unfortunately Italy didn't convert. Shit happens. No need to be a douche about it.
It was a pretty  
B in ALB : 7/2/2016 6:26 pm : link
poorly played game and an underwhelming 90 minutes between two teams that are certainly better than what they showed. Germany was probably slightly better. But only by a hair if that. Either team deserved to win.
I really can't see Iceland beating France  
Big Rick in FL : 7/2/2016 6:27 pm : link
A lot of people didn't think they'd beat England though so who knows.

I really wish Varane was healthy & Benzema wasn't a moron. France & Germany would be a much better game. France would be a much tougher opponent with those two. Benzema is a huge upgrade over Giroud. Varane is a upgrade over Laurent Koscielny & Adil Rami.
RE: RE: That  
Jon in NYC : 7/2/2016 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13019326 Aspano! said:
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Zaza penalty...HAHAHAHA.

That might be the worst penalty of all time when you include the goofy ass run up.

Germany was the better team and deserved to advance anyway. Iceland is a nice story, but I'd love to see a France-Germany semi.



Saying Germany was the better team is dumb. It was pretty even, except for 2 minutes in which Italy's concentration fell off and Germany scored. The game was a tactical battle and deserved to go to penalties. Unfortunately Italy didn't convert. Shit happens. No need to be a douche about it.


I'm sorry your team lost, and I was rooting for Italy fwiw. That said, I think it's fair to say that Germany deserved to go through.

Gomez should have made it 2-0, and it probably should have been 1-0 before it was, but Florenzi I believe made an amazing save with his cleat to deflect the ball wide. That's not even factoring in that the Italy goal was on a fairly non threatening play. No idea what Boateng was thinking there.
RE: It was a pretty  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/2/2016 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13019329 B in ALB said:
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poorly played game and an underwhelming 90 minutes between two teams that are certainly better than what they showed. Germany was probably slightly better. But only by a hair if that. Either team deserved to win.


Agreed. I think this was the first time you saw Italy's lack of talent upfront really hinder them. No Candreva either really stymied their attack.
RE: RE: RE: That  
Aspano! : 7/2/2016 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13019333 Jon in NYC said:
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Zaza penalty...HAHAHAHA.

That might be the worst penalty of all time when you include the goofy ass run up.

Germany was the better team and deserved to advance anyway. Iceland is a nice story, but I'd love to see a France-Germany semi.



Saying Germany was the better team is dumb. It was pretty even, except for 2 minutes in which Italy's concentration fell off and Germany scored. The game was a tactical battle and deserved to go to penalties. Unfortunately Italy didn't convert. Shit happens. No need to be a douche about it.



I'm sorry your team lost, and I was rooting for Italy fwiw. That said, I think it's fair to say that Germany deserved to go through.

Gomez should have made it 2-0, and it probably should have been 1-0 before it was, but Florenzi I believe made an amazing save with his cleat to deflect the ball wide. That's not even factoring in that the Italy goal was on a fairly non threatening play. No idea what Boateng was thinking there.


Bullshit. Italy's chances were just as dangerous as Germany's. You could easily say they should have converted when Giaccherini was played onside late in the first half. And Florenzi deflected a ball that was going narrowly wide.

The game deserved to go to penalties, and the more talented squad won. Italy stifled the Germans, and Germany stopped most chances Italy had when trying to bypass the midfield to start an attack.
Mmmmmm I dunno.  
George : 7/2/2016 6:44 pm : link
I think Germany were the more consistently dangerous team out there, but Italy certainly had their chances.

Buffon is one of my all time favorite players. He's just tremendous.
I wanted Italy to win  
Big Rick in FL : 7/2/2016 6:50 pm : link
Because I think their lack of attack is better for Wales/Portugal. If they score 1 goal they have a better chance of beating Italy then Germany IMO. Germany can score 3 or 4 at any time.

With that said I thought Germany was slightly better today. Draxler missed a wide open Muller who probably buries that shot. Nothing wrong with getting slightly outplayed. They went to PKs with the current World Cup Champions.
Cool picture I saw on Twitter  
Big Rick in FL : 7/2/2016 6:51 pm : link
This is the last PK. Gigi almost had it.

RE: I wanted Italy to win  
B in ALB : 7/2/2016 7:02 pm : link
In comment 13019354 Big Rick in FL said:
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Because I think their lack of attack is better for Wales/Portugal. If they score 1 goal they have a better chance of beating Italy then Germany IMO. Germany can score 3 or 4 at any time.

With that said I thought Germany was slightly better today. Draxler missed a wide open Muller who probably buries that shot. Nothing wrong with getting slightly outplayed. They went to PKs with the current World Cup Champions.


Don't forget Gomez having a wide open Muller right on the doorstep and deciding to have one himself. Buffon made a great save. That was a certain goal. Seemed that Germany had the better chances.
The better team won  
JPinstripes : 7/2/2016 7:54 pm : link
Italian football no longer produces the likes of Totti, Del Piero, Nesta, Canavaro - et al..... The talent level is not on par with Germany, Spain and France. Conte was great this tournament - but Italian football is dead...
That's a really silly  
B in ALB : 7/2/2016 7:58 pm : link
And ignorant statement. Sorry, but that's straight ridiculous.
RE: The better team won  
Giants in 07 : 7/2/2016 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13019418 JPinstripes said:
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Italian football no longer produces the likes of Totti, Del Piero, Nesta, Canavaro - et al..... The talent level is not on par with Germany, Spain and France. Conte was great this tournament - but Italian football is dead...


Peculiar statement especially after getting to PKs in a QF of a tournament nobody expected them to get out of the group stage in
RE: The better team won  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/2/2016 8:05 pm : link
In comment 13019418 JPinstripes said:
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Italian football no longer produces the likes of Totti, Del Piero, Nesta, Canavaro - et al..... The talent level is not on par with Germany, Spain and France. Conte was great this tournament - but Italian football is dead...


Nice blanket statement based on nothing. Chiellini has been one of the best players in the tournament, and Bonucci isn't far behind. This generation isn't as good but they've been better than France.
RE: RE: The better team won  
JPinstripes : 7/2/2016 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13019433 Giants in 07 said:
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Italian football no longer produces the likes of Totti, Del Piero, Nesta, Canavaro - et al..... The talent level is not on par with Germany, Spain and France. Conte was great this tournament - but Italian football is dead...



Peculiar statement especially after getting to PKs in a QF of a tournament nobody expected them to get out of the group stage in


What's peculiar? The talent level in Italian footbal has diminished tremendously. You want to compare the talent level 10 years ago to today? It's not even close.
RE: RE: RE: The better team won  
Giants in 07 : 7/2/2016 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13019441 JPinstripes said:
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In comment 13019418 JPinstripes said:


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Italian football no longer produces the likes of Totti, Del Piero, Nesta, Canavaro - et al..... The talent level is not on par with Germany, Spain and France. Conte was great this tournament - but Italian football is dead...



Peculiar statement especially after getting to PKs in a QF of a tournament nobody expected them to get out of the group stage in



What's peculiar? The talent level in Italian footbal has diminished tremendously. You want to compare the talent level 10 years ago to today? It's not even close.


Many called this the worst Italian team in a major tournament. They could easily be in the Semifinals.

Italy doesnt rely on individual players. They play within their system.
RE: RE: The better team won  
Aspano! : 7/2/2016 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13019437 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Italian football no longer produces the likes of Totti, Del Piero, Nesta, Canavaro - et al..... The talent level is not on par with Germany, Spain and France. Conte was great this tournament - but Italian football is dead...



Nice blanket statement based on nothing. Chiellini has been one of the best players in the tournament, and Bonucci isn't far behind. This generation isn't as good but they've been better than France.


Based on nothing? Conte himself has admitted as much in all of his press conferences. Granted, it's more of a critique of the up-and-coming generation versus the older vets, but it's definitely a fair point.
As we've seen  
B in ALB : 7/2/2016 8:19 pm : link
In these tournaments the sum of the parts is greater than the whole.

Italy and other countries still playing exemplify that.

I'd much rather watch that than all star Bullshit.
I think he's saying if you go  
Big Rick in FL : 7/2/2016 8:21 pm : link
Player by player. Italy plays better as a team then France, but if you go player by player you can make a case that France is better.

I also don't think he's talking strictly this tournament. I just think he's saying as a whole Spain & France are producing better players then Italy. Whether they play for a Italian club or outside of that country.
Understand what he's saying, but it doesn't prove anything.  
Giants in 07 : 7/2/2016 8:26 pm : link
I rather watch a team play like Italy than watch a team like Portugal just try to feed one player for an hour and a half.

More talented Italian teams haven't gotten out of the group stage.
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Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/2/2016 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13019451 Aspano! said:
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Italian football no longer produces the likes of Totti, Del Piero, Nesta, Canavaro - et al..... The talent level is not on par with Germany, Spain and France. Conte was great this tournament - but Italian football is dead...



Nice blanket statement based on nothing. Chiellini has been one of the best players in the tournament, and Bonucci isn't far behind. This generation isn't as good but they've been better than France.



Based on nothing? Conte himself has admitted as much in all of his press conferences. Granted, it's more of a critique of the up-and-coming generation versus the older vets, but it's definitely a fair point.


To say Italian football is dead is a stretch. They were very good in this tournament. There are transition periods when teams aren't as strong due to the mix of generations - look at the Dutch (and the Greeks).
RE: Understand what he's saying, but it doesn't prove anything.  
JPinstripes : 7/2/2016 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13019461 Giants in 07 said:
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I rather watch a team play like Italy than watch a team like Portugal just try to feed one player for an hour and a half.

More talented Italian teams haven't gotten out of the group stage.


You can't compare the 06 team to this Italy team talent wise. There is no Totti, Del Piero, Canavaro, Nestta or Guttuso - Conte was very good and made Italy compete, but they are no longer the same as years passed.
No team  
JPinstripes : 7/2/2016 8:41 pm : link
Can win a major championship with Pelle, Eder, Parola and Giacherinn as starting in the 11. Congrats to Conte, his team over performed.
Really odd to watch that game..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/2/2016 9:28 pm : link
and not think that Germany played better.

They had the better scoring chances and the goal the conceded came on a lapse in judgment not often seen by Boatang.

Italy fought hard, but at least from the play on the pitch, they weren't the better team - and yet, they could have advanced.
In a penalty shoot out  
Sec 103 : 7/3/2016 7:56 am : link
I'd go with Alves (Valencia) any day!!!
Tis was an awful exhibition of penalty shots...
RE: No team  
giantBCP : 7/3/2016 8:24 am : link
In comment 13019470 JPinstripes said:
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Can win a major championship with Pelle, Eder, Parola and Giacherinn as starting in the 11. Congrats to Conte, his team over performed.


If Italy had more first choice players, they would have played Germany off the field.
Italy's got two holes  
George : 7/3/2016 4:35 pm : link
One at center mid, as they haven't found a replacement for Pirlo, and the other at striker - and those are two marquee positions.

Conte gave a presser this morning and choked up as he talked about his players. The Italian press corps gave him an ovation.

RE: Italy's got two holes  
Aspano! : 7/3/2016 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13020039 George said:
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One at center mid, as they haven't found a replacement for Pirlo, and the other at striker - and those are two marquee positions.

Conte gave a presser this morning and choked up as he talked about his players. The Italian press corps gave him an ovation.


Pirlo was a unique player - nearly impossible to replace him, although the combination of Verratti and Bonucci can do a decent job passing the ball.

Striker-wise, absolutely. No real dangerous threats up front. They also haven't had a viable option to play between the lines up front since Totti.
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