Willie is filling in for Hahn and Humpty on ESPN 98.7 with Dave Rothenberg. Dave asked him to give an assessment of the Giants OL. And Colon stated he doesn't like the Giants but he is tight with Weston Richburg and without using Richburg's name he said he heard a lot of bad things about Flowers. He said Flowers didn't own up to giving up sacks and getting beat. He hasn't properly trained or listened to vets on getting better.
It appears the guy that Richburg was ranting about was indeed Flowers since Colon said he got his info from a source and the only one he talks to is Richburg on the Giants.
Willie also said he isn't a fan of the Giants OL other than Richburg and Pugh.
Indeed.
Solari will fix any technique problems these guys have and he will get everything he can out of these guys as a unit.
Flowers will be fine.
LOL
The poster cited it. Colon has a relationship with Wes Richburg.
“Vast improvement, and hopefully he starts off healthy and stays healthy throughout the year. And just a better mindset— as a rookie, it’s a long year for you,” Giants right tackle Marshall Newhouse said on Monday. “There’s a lot coming at you, a lot of people trying to not fix you but tune your technique and tune your play, and getting accustomed to that and knowing what to expect coming into this year, I expect him to make a very, very big leap.”
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What would colon have to be sour about?
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Sounds like Colon is a sourpuss and is trying to stir the pot.
What would colon have to be sour about?
The guy flat out said he "doesn't like the Giants".. why don't you ask him.
Don't doubt it. It's for real.
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Sounds like Colon is a sourpuss and is trying to stir the pot.
What would colon have to be sour about?
He did admit that he reached out to the Giants this offseason to join them but they weren't interested in him. He grew up a Giants fan he said. I didn't realize he hangs out with Richburg but I don't follow stuff like that.
LOL, it is an ongoing conversation. Rothenberg is a big time Giants fan so you know this isn't sitting well with him. Rothenberg likes Flowers if you listened to him last season.
"On Twitter, I get tagged in so much PFF stuff. You hear this stuff, but you have to look at the source," Richburg said. "Most of these people who talk about offensive line play don't know anything about offensive line play."
I don't know about that. He probably isn't expecting what he tells guys to be used on a sports radio show when said confidant is guest hosting. Colon was douchey for doing that.
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His dedication paid off last season, with Richburg grading out as one of the league's finest centers by Pro Football Focus. Still, he's not impressed by the rankings handed out by a metrics site.
"On Twitter, I get tagged in so much PFF stuff. You hear this stuff, but you have to look at the source," Richburg said. "Most of these people who talk about offensive line play don't know anything about offensive line play."
Richburg isn't a total unknown. He got pretty high marks last year and he's viewed as a riser, and offensive linemen in general tend to be a fraternity. Perhaps they met at Bentley's OL Boot camp.
Colon is a Giants hating asshole.
LeCharles Bentley camp. :)
2015 was not the deepest draft, lots of teams did not get great value. I don't think Flowers has looked particular good, esp against speed rushers, and I was hoping to hear Gurley's name called, but tough to argue with Oline selection given how shredded it was. 2013 was an absolute abomination of an Oline...unacceptable with an immobile QB as valuable as Manning.
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and it could all be based on frustrations from a down and injured year, or could be nothing at all. I highly doubt Richburg airs dirty laundry anyway.
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He's calling out the team. I'm more so talking about personal attacks. Unless I misread what he said in that article, that just seems like a guy not happy with the general attitude of the team/unit. Really not a big deal.
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How would they even know each other? A 33 year old guy from the Bronx who played at Hofstra and a 24 year old country boy from Texas who played at Colorado State?
That's a ridiculous assertion. I'm tight with a guy I work with who's 27, went to FSU and lives in Colorado and I'm 42, went to JMU and live in VA. I guess I shouldn't know him?
Yes, but you, y'know, work together. Colon and Richburg have never been teammates.
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and it could all be based on frustrations from a down and injured year, or could be nothing at all. I highly doubt Richburg airs dirty laundry anyway.
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The article actually doesn't mention John Jerry who also participated in the camp...
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How would they even know each other? A 33 year old guy from the Bronx who played at Hofstra and a 24 year old country boy from Texas who played at Colorado State?
That's a ridiculous assertion. I'm tight with a guy I work with who's 27, went to FSU and lives in Colorado and I'm 42, went to JMU and live in VA. I guess I shouldn't know him?
You said your work with him though, which makes sense. Colon has never worked with Richburg, so them being tight seems out of left field. Its possible, but it definitely isn't something I'd say makes sense. He had a year with the Jets right? Maybe that's how?
It could be something else. I was just guessin'.
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Sounds like Colon is a sourpuss and is trying to stir the pot.
Stated he doesn't like the Giants.
What would colon have to be sour about?
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and it could all be based on frustrations from a down and injured year, or could be nothing at all. I highly doubt Richburg airs dirty laundry anyway.
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He's calling out the team. I'm more so talking about personal attacks. Unless I misread what he said in that article, that just seems like a guy not happy with the general attitude of the team/unit. Really not a big deal.
I was responding to the part about 'airing dirty laundry'. He did. I don't have a problem with that.
He would appear to feel some of his teammates need a kick in the ass to get motivated. Hopefully they get the message.
Looks like Richburg is becoming an extroverted team leader, something we are sorely lacking.
that he came in thinking he already knew it all and didn't have to earn it.
Now I'm convinced he is.
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Sounds like Colon is a sourpuss and is trying to stir the pot.
What would colon have to be sour about?
The guy flat out said he "doesn't like the Giants".. why don't you ask him.
So? Does that automatically mean he's not telling the truth about Flowers?
Colon propped up Richburg/Pugh. Aren't they Giants?
...Then proceed to bash a proven elite pass-blocker at his position (John Jerry), all while blindly supporting a guy like Flowers who has demonstrated zero ability to pass-block, has some of the shittiest technique we've seen from an OT, and rejects coaching and veteran mentorship.
Weird.
If being a complete turnstile while not being a good run-blocker is "promising"
...Then proceed to bash a proven elite pass-blocker at his position (John Jerry), all while blindly supporting a guy like Flowers who has demonstrated zero ability to pass-block, has some of the shittiest technique we've seen from an OT, and rejects coaching and veteran mentorship.
Weird.
good point.
The fact that Richburg, the leader of the OL and the most prideful player on the OL, dislikes Flowers and is best buddies with John Jerry should tell you something.
No way, u mean the Giants publicly propped up their 9th overall pick investment??
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It should not get blabbed to someone who isn't even on the team, who them proceeds to run with it in public. Some friend. It's unnecessary and counter-productive. The last thing the Giants need is dissension in the ranks, particularly among their offensive linemen, with whom cohesion should be paramount.
The fact that Richburg, the leader of the OL and the most prideful player on the OL, dislikes Flowers and is best buddies with John Jerry should tell you something.
That's irrelevant. You don't lead by having surrogates tell tales out-of-school.
Oh, and as Bo Dietl once said to Ray Liotta, "Bye, bye, dickhead."
Listen in detail to the link I posted.
Colon trained with Richburg. Richburg told Colon these things about Flowers.
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It should not get blabbed to someone who isn't even on the team, who them proceeds to run with it in public. Some friend. It's unnecessary and counter-productive. The last thing the Giants need is dissension in the ranks, particularly among their offensive linemen, with whom cohesion should be paramount.
The fact that Richburg, the leader of the OL and the most prideful player on the OL, dislikes Flowers and is best buddies with John Jerry should tell you something.
That's irrelevant. You don't lead by having surrogates tell tales out-of-school.
Oh, and as Bo Dietl once said to Ray Liotta, "Bye, bye, dickhead."
Which shows you how much Richburg dislikes Flowers.
History has shown, mostly in the form of plaxico burress, that TC was a lot more willing to put up with nonsense than he made himself out to be publicly. I don't think we can rule anything out.
That said, "lazy" doesn't fit since he forced himself on the field even when it was apparent he was hurt.
As I am sure most of you know, I have beaten up Flowers for last year saying we haven't seen anything yet for anybody to say he is our LT of the future. However, if this stuff had any merit do you really think the Giants would have let Okung, Penn, and Monroe know that they would only be a RT? The Giants management has a high opinion of Flowers for one reason or another, right or wrong. Solari seems to be more of a teacher and player friendly coach compared to Flaherty. Richburg also didn't come to the defense of Flaherty in his interview when asked if there was any coaching in the NFL. Richburg said, "What coaching?" So, was Richburg really talking about taking advice from a coach or from another player?
A more likely situation would go something like this. Richburg tells his OL to come and train with him at LeBentley's camp because it really benefits not only your strength but also your technique. Flowers says he is going to do his own thing. Richburg tells him he isn't gonna get the same results from anywhere else. Flowers says he knows what he is doing. Done. In Richburg's eyes Flowers doesn't want to put in the same work as him so he is lazy and thinks he knows it all because what Flowers is doing will be better. That is it. Simple. Richburg seems like a very passionate guy and that means sometimes those types can be hot-heads and jump to conclusions. You love that personality on the field but not necessarily off the field.
As I stated earlier, I need to see more from Flowers than what he gave us last year in terms of production. Nobody is questioning his toughness. But, the coaching staff and management, in particular, have made up their mind with Flowers at LT and this decision is going to be the most telling for our season. If he succeeds then Reese is going to look like a genius. If he fails and it costs us our season then Reese is really putting himself on the hot seat not because he should give Flowers a chance but because we had opportunities to upgrade the line (at least on paper) and he chose not to go in that direction. So, only time will tell. As fans we should all be rooting foe Flowers to succeed. I don't want to waste Eli's last year because we mismanaged our OL.
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Sounds like Colon is a sourpuss and is trying to stir the pot.
What would colon have to be sour about?
The guy flat out said he "doesn't like the Giants".. why don't you ask him.
So? Does that automatically mean he's not telling the truth about Flowers?
Colon propped up Richburg/Pugh. Aren't they Giants?
I can't even begin to fathom how utterly pathetic you have to be to register for a message board multiple times to troll it under the guise of being some John Jerry superfan. I can think of like... 8,000 things I'd rather do with my life. You should seek some help.
Ummm, I'll wait to ranting camp and actual competition and actual competition along with some preseason games before I make a decision.
No, ranting camp is not misspelled.
Big difference between ranting camp and the regular season as there is practicing in pajamas like we just did.
As I am sure most of you know, I have beaten up Flowers for last year saying we haven't seen anything yet for anybody to say he is our LT of the future. However, if this stuff had any merit do you really think the Giants would have let Okung, Penn, and Monroe know that they would only be a RT? The Giants management has a high opinion of Flowers for one reason or another, right or wrong. Solari seems to be more of a teacher and player friendly coach compared to Flaherty. Richburg also didn't come to the defense of Flaherty in his interview when asked if there was any coaching in the NFL. Richburg said, "What coaching?" So, was Richburg really talking about taking advice from a coach or from another player?
A more likely situation would go something like this. Richburg tells his OL to come and train with him at LeBentley's camp because it really benefits not only your strength but also your technique. Flowers says he is going to do his own thing. Richburg tells him he isn't gonna get the same results from anywhere else. Flowers says he knows what he is doing. Done. In Richburg's eyes Flowers doesn't want to put in the same work as him so he is lazy and thinks he knows it all because what Flowers is doing will be better. That is it. Simple. Richburg seems like a very passionate guy and that means sometimes those types can be hot-heads and jump to conclusions. You love that personality on the field but not necessarily off the field.
As I stated earlier, I need to see more from Flowers than what he gave us last year in terms of production. Nobody is questioning his toughness. But, the coaching staff and management, in particular, have made up their mind with Flowers at LT and this decision is going to be the most telling for our season. If he succeeds then Reese is going to look like a genius. If he fails and it costs us our season then Reese is really putting himself on the hot seat not because he should give Flowers a chance but because we had opportunities to upgrade the line (at least on paper) and he chose not to go in that direction. So, only time will tell. As fans we should all be rooting foe Flowers to succeed. I don't want to waste Eli's last year because we mismanaged our OL.
Well put. I'm along your line of thinking. There's also probably something to his cockiness too. But, he's playing the most valued OL position. In some ways, that mindset can be good. I'm giving the whole situation a wait until season starts attitude.
With Flats gone and Solari taking over.
I just wonder if Flats was more of a "paddy cake" technique kind of guy (much like Mouse McNally was when he was here), and just frustrated Flowers, who wants to clobber people.
Ummm, I'll wait to ranting camp and actual competition and actual competition along with some preseason games before I make a decision.
No, ranting camp is not misspelled.
Big difference between ranting camp and the regular season as there is practicing in pajamas like we just did.
Seriously, I never knew Bentley's camp was held in such high regards by these OL guys. Must be like Jedi training grounds. Hopefully Flowers attends next year just to pacify some of his teammates.
So ae Jerry and Newhouse guys Flowers is supposed to turn to for advice? I
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played hurt going into his second year?
Ummm, I'll wait to ranting camp and actual competition and actual competition along with some preseason games before I make a decision.
No, ranting camp is not misspelled.
Big difference between ranting camp and the regular season as there is practicing in pajamas like we just did.
Seriously, I never knew Bentley's camp was held in such high regards by these OL guys. Must be like Jedi training grounds. Hopefully Flowers attends next year just to pacify some of his teammates.
My thoughts exactly.
Especially to the rest who work on here and spend their vacation time honing their work skills instead of well, taking a vacation they are entitled to.
I also think that Willie made his comments could be sour grapes from us not showing interest in his services. Or just trying to create a Voice for himself as a N.Y. radio personality
I also think that Willie made his comments could be sour grapes from us not showing interest in his services. Or just trying to create a Voice for himself as a N.Y. radio personality.
I refuse to believe that a 2nd round Center who had plenty of his own issues playing Guard his first year would legitimately feel that Flowers wouldn't put in necessary time to improve after playing on a bad wheel the entire year. It would alienate Richburg from the entire locker room. Fuck Colon. Was average to above average his entire career.
Right. Because drafting instant starters is what is expected of all CMs. The same guy who drafted Flowers (who played ONE FUCKING SEASON HURT at LT) also drafted ODB, Hankins in the 2nd and Richburg in the 2nd. Not to mention grabbing Pugh who is one of the more versatile OL in the league and all the tons of game changers over the past decade.
The stupidity on this site by its members has become palpable.
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Doesn't show some year 2 improvement, Reese's job should be fucked regardless of what his FA acquisitions produce.
Right. Because drafting instant starters is what is expected of all CMs. The same guy who drafted Flowers (who played ONE FUCKING SEASON HURT at LT) also drafted ODB, Hankins in the 2nd and Richburg in the 2nd. Not to mention grabbing Pugh who is one of the more versatile OL in the league and all the tons of game changers over the past decade.
The stupidity on this site by its members has become palpable.
His highest draft pick ever, ninth overall, drafted over Todd Gurley. That can cost you your job IMO. He showed some potential but he was clearly a 'team weakness' last season and while I admire his toughness he played like crap mostly and unfortunately edge rushers won't pity him for his injuries the same way you do. Re-reading what I orginaly wrote I see nothing wrong, as bad as Flowers was he can only show improvement, if he doesn't Reese is fucked! but i will gladly agree to disagree with you chop.
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Doesn't show some year 2 improvement, Reese's job should be fucked regardless of what his FA acquisitions produce.
Right. Because drafting instant starters is what is expected of all CMs. The same guy who drafted Flowers (who played ONE FUCKING SEASON HURT at LT) also drafted ODB, Hankins in the 2nd and Richburg in the 2nd. Not to mention grabbing Pugh who is one of the more versatile OL in the league and all the tons of game changers over the past decade.
The stupidity on this site by its members has become palpable.
His highest draft pick ever, ninth overall, drafted over Todd Gurley. That can cost you your job IMO. He showed some potential but he was clearly a 'team weakness' last season and while I admire his toughness he played like crap mostly and unfortunately edge rushers won't pity him for his injuries the same way you do. Re-reading what I orginaly wrote I see nothing wrong, as bad as Flowers was he can only show improvement, if he doesn't Reese is fucked! but i will gladly agree to disagree with you chop.
No....you are dead wrong. The Gurley pick is purely 20/20 hindsight. Yes he's a great runner,but he didn't carry them to the playoffs. He's not AP by a long shot. He came off a serious injury and wasn't a high value position.
There aren't many LTd that come right in and produce well. There are even less draft picks at Tackle that are slated to play the right side while he learns that are forced to play on the left, suffer a tough injury for an OL and come back to be successful. How bout you give him more than a season before you damn him? Talk to Trent Williams or Lane Johnson about guys who had pretty good seasons following disappointing 1st seasons
I also feel that if he/they didn't see enough progress, Mc/JR would have made a FA or Draft pick move for a LT at 1 or 2.
if he wins, its easy because hes beat a women but all the talk into the fight would mean ronda would have a shot and every women everywhere can be proud but if ronda actually did win, he looks like a weakling because he lost to a girl
ive seen so man girls talk like theyre the toughest people in the world, must be easy to run your mouth all the time when u know anyone who swings at you will be a sissy haha
if he wins, its easy because hes beat a women but all the talk into the fight would mean ronda would have a shot and every women everywhere can be proud but if ronda actually did win, he looks like a weakling because he lost to a girl
ive seen so man girls talk like theyre the toughest people in the world, must be easy to run your mouth all the time when u know anyone who swings at you will be a sissy haha
Holy Moly...
What the fuck are you jabbering about?
Wouldn't be unusual for a rookie that was a high draft pick...
With Flats gone and Solari taking over.
I just wonder if Flats was more of a "paddy cake" technique kind of guy (much like Mouse McNally was when he was here), and just frustrated Flowers, who wants to clobber people.
Makes sense to me. My bet is Flowers improves and impresses this year.
Wouldn't be unusual for a rookie that was a high draft pick...
Flowers seemed to have a burn...
need more coffee...
Isn't that the exact opposite of lazy?
As I am sure most of you know, I have beaten up Flowers for last year saying we haven't seen anything yet for anybody to say he is our LT of the future. However, if this stuff had any merit do you really think the Giants would have let Okung, Penn, and Monroe know that they would only be a RT? The Giants management has a high opinion of Flowers for one reason or another, right or wrong. Solari seems to be more of a teacher and player friendly coach compared to Flaherty. Richburg also didn't come to the defense of Flaherty in his interview when asked if there was any coaching in the NFL. Richburg said, "What coaching?" So, was Richburg really talking about taking advice from a coach or from another player?
A more likely situation would go something like this. Richburg tells his OL to come and train with him at LeBentley's camp because it really benefits not only your strength but also your technique. Flowers says he is going to do his own thing. Richburg tells him he isn't gonna get the same results from anywhere else. Flowers says he knows what he is doing. Done. In Richburg's eyes Flowers doesn't want to put in the same work as him so he is lazy and thinks he knows it all because what Flowers is doing will be better. That is it. Simple. Richburg seems like a very passionate guy and that means sometimes those types can be hot-heads and jump to conclusions. You love that personality on the field but not necessarily off the field.
As I stated earlier, I need to see more from Flowers than what he gave us last year in terms of production. Nobody is questioning his toughness. But, the coaching staff and management, in particular, have made up their mind with Flowers at LT and this decision is going to be the most telling for our season. If he succeeds then Reese is going to look like a genius. If he fails and it costs us our season then Reese is really putting himself on the hot seat not because he should give Flowers a chance but because we had opportunities to upgrade the line (at least on paper) and he chose not to go in that direction. So, only time will tell. As fans we should all be rooting foe Flowers to succeed. I don't want to waste Eli's last year because we mismanaged our OL.
He is NOT going to "cost us our season", c'mon man. Worst case is Pugh slides out Flowers flips right. The silly season is in full swing.
The Giants had and still have too many holes to insure against everything (or even most things).
They gave it the good ol' college try but its obvious after 16 NFL games he will never amount to anything...
Neither Richburg, nor Colon were blessed with that foundation and have to work their butts off just to survive in the NFL let alone maintain quality starter status.
How much is going to be enough for Flowers remains to be seen. In addition, he could be a very successful draft pick even if he does not quite live up to Giants' hopes (see Andre Smith, much the same player).