Eli Manning will never get the respect he deserves...

right.

Bitch to the press about it or throw his coach/teammate under the bus.
He really does deserve a statue at Timex.

I do hate when that group of so called fans voice that opinion, but I find that group to make up only 5-10% at most of Giant fans. And as you put it, they are the ones that root for other teams just as much.....so not true fans.

Hang in there and know that you have history and great results on your side.

And he's a HOFer to me. The stats will back that up when he retires.

But I have a lot of friends who aren't Giant fans and most of them don't think he's a HOFer.

I still think his image-'04 Draft, being the less talented brother to Peyton, the idea he's an INT machine his drawl-really hurts him. All of that is BS, but this is what non Giants fans think.

Non giants fans. My mistake

And troll the NFL once more just for shits.

Mags today at Barnes and Noble. The 2 they had (Sporting News and Athlon) had the NYG at 11-5 and 8-8. The rest were mostly FF magazines. So I looked at the first one. To illustrate Eli's perception, his 2016 projections were slightly off from last year but were literally on point with Roethlisberger, who they ranked 4th vs Eli 11. They called Ben a "legitimate QB1 performer" and Eli "a borderline QB1"....

and 11th in career passing yards. He's just 520 yds behind Bledsoe to make the top 10 there.

Most who dislike him find reasons to dislike him. After he retires the HOF voters will look at his career statistics and realize the type of play he is. They'll have no choice but to vote him in because they won't be able to justify NOT voting him in.

Would a QB that plays for the Eagles or Cowboys that has a relatively absurd number of turnovers for his era of play, doesn't even have mediocre efficiency stats for his era when you go to look them up (83.5 passer rating, sub-60 c%, YPA of 7.1), and now routinely misses the playoffs, with a career win percentage below that of Alex Smith, Joe Flacco, and Brian Hoyer generally be a player you think very highly of?

No, very probably not.

It's absolutely not (all) Eli's fault, we know -- or should know -- that as Giant fans who pay close attention and are aware of the shit hand he's been dealt by the FO and coaching staff in recent times, but you can't have a rep as a turnover machine (and not win games anymore and expect the general perception from people outside the bubble to be all that good. It's not fair, but folks aren't checking for every individual game, every single attempted pass, every team report that way.

Eli, prior to the last 2 seasons, was not a FF stud. Most people make their judgements based on that.

Your point is well taken but keep this in mind Eli's career is not over. He not only has a real shot at additional rings but 4 or 5 more years in this system where he is putting up great FF stats.

Fans will notice I promise you especially if shepherd gets 1000 plus and 8-10 TD's this year. Not mention VC potential return to form and the development of Davis and possibly Lewis

I agree with your point Eli doesn't get the respect he deserves mostly due to the giant shadow Payton cast.

We as knowledgeable fans know his worth. We are blessed to have him. In time the rest of the league will come to appreciate him for the great QB he truly is.

A friend of mine and one of the smartest people is a Pats fan but swears up and down that Eli is "a below average quarterback". But suck to lose two Super Bowls on last minute drives to a below average quarterback.

in the top ten all time passing yards this year. By game four at worst.

He is already top 8 in TD and will pass Elway this year.

He is already top 10 in completed passes.

but yeah.. he is "below average"..

Eli doesnt get respect because of several things. What went down during the NFL draft. Because his last name is Manning. And because of his extremely laid back demeanor..

Period...

He's transcended getting "respect" from the media.

Whatever that is.

In comment 13027846 BestFeature said:

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A friend of mine and one of the smartest people is a Pats fan but swears up and down that Eli is "a below average quarterback". But suck to lose two Super Bowls on last minute drives to a below average quarterback.

Wow, I sound like English is not my first language in this one. *One of the smartest people I know. *Must suck to lose.

In comment 13027833 Devon said:

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Would a QB that plays for the Eagles or Cowboys that has a relatively absurd number of turnovers for his era of play, doesn't even have mediocre efficiency stats for his era when you go to look them up (83.5 passer rating, sub-60 c%, YPA of 7.1), and now routinely misses the playoffs, with a career win percentage below that of Alex Smith, Joe Flacco, and Brian Hoyer generally be a player you think very highly of? No, very probably not. It's absolutely not (all) Eli's fault, we know -- or should know -- that as Giant fans who pay close attention and are aware of the shit hand he's been dealt by the FO and coaching staff in recent times, but you can't have a rep as a turnover machine (and not win games anymore and expect the general perception from people outside the bubble to be all that good. It's not fair, but folks aren't checking for every individual game, every single attempted pass, every team report that way.

Lol. If he had 2 Super Bowl rings I'd think extremely highly of him. Unfortunately this is just the era of fantasy football (which I love and participate in). But people judge players solely on huge numbers, which Eli has btw.

Most people don't really know the ins and outs of football anyway. People just fail to think about the fact that Eli played in Gilbrides run and shoot offense most of his career. In that offense, you throw a lot and take a lot of deep chances and are very aggressive. I loved the offense. In an offense like that, you're gonna throw interceptions. It happens. You take chances. My brother in law is a chiefs fan and Alex smith drives him crazy. He tells me that he NEVER takes chances. Rarely throws into tight Windows. Only throws to open receivers. But he said it's tedious and can really be terrible vs top defenses.

Eli needs to take those chances in that offense and we should've expected that bad with the vey very good ( 2 Super Bowls and very good offenses). I would take that over ultra conservative any day. It obviously worked.

Notice that when he switched into a much more cautious offense, same offense Aaron Rodgers is in, he has been throwing less picks? This offense is designed for safer play and less picks. It all makes sense.

are the smartest players in the NFL (and probably all of sports) by MILES. That's all that matters.

to being a first ballot HOFer right now. He is a bad assed motherfucker who can chuck it around an knows how to handle pressure (hi Carson Palmer!). There is a very realistic chance he could win another Super Bowl in the next 4-5 years. If he does, there is no freaking doubt he is a first ballot HOFer. If he does not, and continues to put up numbers like he has for his entire career, the voters will have to decide whether he is a first or second ballot HOFer. He will have more passing yards than John Elway. How is he not at lest a second ballot HOFer? Lets not worry about Eli's legacy. It is already in the HOF.

...for the rest of his days. What else matters?

in the great Samurai classic "Sanjuro" by Kurosawa. Initially the young klansmen suspect their relative uncle Chamberlain of being corrupt and hand over the evidence to the Province Superintendent, who tells the young idealists to gather at a remote shrine where he will meet them to discuss the allegations. Meanwhile the Superintendent arrests the honest Chamberlain who has in fact collected the corruption evidence to gently force the Superintendent to resign... in the interim of receiving the evidence from the idealists, the Superintendent (who the young samurai idolize) had also arrested the Chamberlain's wife and daughter to bully him to sign a false confession.

Toshiro Mifune plays the battle scarred Ronin who, sleeping at the remote shrine where the idealists were sent by the criminal Superintendent, gruffly awakens at the hubub created by the young samurai discussing their situation (all anxiously await the meeting with the Superindent and none question why the desolate meeting place.)

Mifune hears their whole story and asks only one question: what do the Superintendent and Chamberlain look like?

When informed that the Superintendent is handsomely charismatic and the Chamberlain older and frankly quite physically unattractive and meek in demeanor the clever Ronin Mifune knows that the Superintendent is truly the corrupt one and has sent the young samurai to the remote shrine for assassination...

Eli is like the Chamberlain; he doesn't get respect because of his looks and demeanor. Brady is like the Superindent, with his model good looks people ignore deflate gate and whatever other cheating the Pats have employed to pump Brady's career...

Actually I think Brady is great, but the fact that some rate him higher than Peyton Manning is to my mind a joke. As others said, Peyton elevated and carried a franchise, Brady lucked into a remarkably good position under probably the greatest HC of all time...

Take Eli and Beckham away from last year's Giants. Man to man, that team is worse than the 2008 Lions. But people don't see this.

Even if he wins another SB, which will undoubtedly guarantee his entrance into the HOF, Eli will always be dissed by someone in the immediate conversation.

Whether its how he spurned the Chargers in the draft; threw too many picks vs tds; got fortunate from a helmet catch or was the brother of Peyton; these items give too much ammunition to moronic talking head sports-media types who too often look at the reasons to disrespect the player instead of respecting the entire body of work.

"Eli is like the Chamberlain; he doesn't get respect because of his looks and demeanor. Brady is like the Superindent, with his model good looks people ignore deflate gate and whatever other cheating the Pats have employed to pump Brady's career..."

Hi guys, love coming here for Giants news, and this comment finally made me register because it's a bit of a pet peeve with me, no offense.

From a female pov and especially after seeing Eli in person last year, I think Eli Manning is really hot and Tom Brady while he's conventionally good looking and all that, is a massive douche. I think Eli's looks and demeanor on and off the field are extremely attractive. You guys might be shocked to learn this, but most women I know would choose Eli over Brady in terms of attractiveness and personality. If those were SB trophies, Tom Brady would lose those to Eli too.

I realize this is a totally worthless contribution and a bit embarassing as a first post, but I just wanted to give my QB some deserved props for his looks which are, like everything else about him, low key and underrated. He's goofy, sure, but that's all part of the hotness that is uniquely Eli Manning. Anyway, sorry to make you guys cringe on this beautiful Sunday morning and no offense to BlueLou's post.

In comment 13027785 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:

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And he's a HOFer to me. The stats will back that up when he retires. But I have a lot of friends who aren't Giant fans and most of them don't think he's a HOFer. I still think his image-'04 Draft, being the less talented brother to Peyton, the idea he's an INT machine his drawl-really hurts him. All of that is BS, but this is what non Giants fans think.

Couldn't agree more. Also, the talking heads made the 07 run all about the d line and less about Eli which was wrong. 2011 Eli got his dues I believe. When it is all set and done and he retires only then will non giants fans appreciate his greatness

In comment 13027785 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:

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And he's a HOFer to me. The stats will back that up when he retires. But I have a lot of friends who aren't Giant fans and most of them don't think he's a HOFer. I still think his image-'04 Draft, being the less talented brother to Peyton, the idea he's an INT machine his drawl-really hurts him. All of that is BS, but this is what non Giants fans think.

Couldn't agree more. Also, the talking heads made the 07 run all about the d line and less about Eli which was wrong. 2011 Eli got his dues I believe. When it is all set and done and he retires only then will non giants fans appreciate his greatness

if things didn't go so horribly wrong for the team since then. As Super Bowl champions the Giants' follow up season concluded with them missing the playoffs, and then Eli throws for 27 int's the season after that with the Giants missing the playoffs once again.

In some ways it's easy to see how people continue to view those Super Bowl runs as "flukish" in terms of Eli's contributions to it because the way the Giants have performed prior to and since the championships seem to validate that belief.

I think most Giants fans know what Eli brings to the table, and don't believe that the Giants' record over the last 4 seasons is an accurate reflection of Eli's abilities as a QB. But unless over the next 5 seasons the Giants start having some real success and getting playoff wins, Eli's legacy as an outstanding NFL player will continue to be diminished.

Manning needs to end his career with a stretch of winning seasons and efficiency. He then will be seen as a QB who won under 2 coaches, won championships, and won with 2 different generations of players. His stats right now put him in the conversation with Bledsoe, who no one is mistaking for a Hall of Fame.

For all the great moments and clutch performances, Manning has some stinker seasons. There are mitigating factors sure, but once you need to start draggingetting out excuses, it's hard to convince an objective observer of greatness.

There's no reason to think Manning can't have some very productive years in his mid to late 30s like his brother, Brady and Favre. Do that and he gets in 1st ballot.

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Manning needs to end his career with a stretch of winning seasons and efficiency. He then will be seen as a QB who won under 2 coaches, won championships, and won with 2 different generations of players. His stats right now put him in the conversation with Bledsoe, who no one is mistaking for a Hall of Fame. For all the great moments and clutch performances, Manning has some stinker seasons. There are mitigating factors sure, but once you need to start draggingetting out excuses, it's hard to convince an objective observer of greatness. There's no reason to think Manning can't have some very productive years in his mid to late 30s like his brother, Brady and Favre. Do that and he gets in 1st ballot.

By far the Stupidest thing I have read in here this whole off season.
Congratulations.
Eli is a two time Superbowl MVP
Bledsoe? WOW JUST WOW.

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in the top ten all time passing yards this year. By game four at worst. He is already top 8 in TD and will pass Elway this year. He is already top 10 in completed passes. but yeah.. he is "below average".. Eli doesnt get respect because of several things. What went down during the NFL draft. Because his last name is Manning. And because of his extremely laid back demeanor.. Period...

This is correct. He will likely/definitely finish in the around #5 in total passing yards and passing TDs, plus he was won 2 SB's, been SB MVP 2 times, and will have numerous Pro Bowls. Take off the name Eli and just show stats, and he would be a no brainer, first ballot, guy. Its sickening.

you give a crap what 20 and 30y olds who get their NFL information from the four letter network and allow the camera shots of Eli selected by some prick in the production truck to decide what they think.

People who spent a lifetime in pro football disagree with your co workers and frankly are pretty irritated by them. Lots of HOF talk on Sirius these days. 6 more TDs and he passes Elway. 30/30 in the next two seasons and he slots between Tarkenton and Marino.

He also takes a better shot than Rocky Balboa.

in the past two weeks. That's recognition!

Eli will always be seen as a "bad guy" because of that, by most of the sports media and almost all non-Giants fans. His accomplishments will be diminished and his faults will be magnified. He bucked the system...he has to pay a price for that. I doubt it keeps him up at night, though.

He does everything he can to win, including throwing balls up for grabs when the team needs a big play. Many of those throws have led to INTs over the years, but Eli knew he needed to take those chances rather than throw dumpoffs that would pad his stats while accomplishing nothing in terms of winning or losing.

I'd rather have Eli than a host of HOFers, but I really wonder whether he will gain entry to the HOF.

In comment 13028212 yatqb said:

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He does everything he can to win, including throwing balls up for grabs when the team needs a big play. Many of those throws have led to INTs over the years, but Eli knew he needed to take those chances rather than throw dumpoffs that would pad his stats while accomplishing nothing in terms of winning or losing. I'd rather have Eli than a host of HOFers, but I really wonder whether he will gain entry to the HOF.

But I'll bet he really, really gives a big shit about winning another Superbowl. Just to have another ring to knock on the table around big bro at the family Thanksgiving dinner meal.

If they're not to busy watching the Cowboys maul the Lions...

In comment 13028185 Klaatu said:

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Eli will always be seen as a "bad guy" because of that, by most of the sports media and almost all non-Giants fans. His accomplishments will be diminished and his faults will be magnified. He bucked the system...he has to pay a price for that. I doubt it keeps him up at night, though.

I always get a chuckle when i read things like this. Is/was Elway vilified when he refused to play for the Colts and forced a trade? You don't ever hear that brought up.

It took a while, but everyone who's played with him and now most players who play against him think he's a hell of a quarterback.

In comment 13027781 ctc in ftmyers said:

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right.

Eli is a good,immobile quarterback.However,if you look at his
stats since he's been a starter,he rates slightly above average,plagued by interceptions and inconsistency.When he's on,he's awesome and as good as any QB,especially in the fourth
quarter. However,as a whole Eli made too many dumb mistakes in
his career to be a HOF QB.
I admire his toughness and fortitude.To be fair,he did play under questionable management in Coughlin and a predictable offense coordinator who preceded McAdoo.

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any day of the week.

And twice on Superbowl Sundays...
Manning to Manningham! - ( New Window )

because for the next 50 years fans will be watching those two Super Bowl games or their highlights and see Manning playing on the biggest stage against the best team completing two of the most miraculous passes to pull out wins.

It's Tony Romo who will be forgotten because damn few games that he played in will ever be watched again on the national stage.

In comment 13028227 Mike in Philly said:

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In comment 13028185 Klaatu said: Quote: Eli will always be seen as a "bad guy" because of that, by most of the sports media and almost all non-Giants fans. His accomplishments will be diminished and his faults will be magnified. He bucked the system...he has to pay a price for that. I doubt it keeps him up at night, though. I always get a chuckle when i read things like this. Is/was Elway vilified when he refused to play for the Colts and forced a trade? You don't ever hear that brought up.

Different time, different situation. Just because Elway wasn't vilified in 1983 doesn't mean that Eli wasn't in 2004.

Eli Manning will not be fully appreciated until he is retired. The same people trashing him will be singing his praises when the next guy comes in and is terrible.

He can look legitimately awful at times to everyone but his BBI sycophant crew, yet has played his best football in the biggest games. I tend to feel that he's a very good quarterback who has played like a great quarterback when the stakes are highest, but for some reason that's considered "trashing" him. Whatever.

he wasn't comparing Eli to Bledsoe. Read.

before getting inducted into Canton you'd think Giants fans would learn from history that NY athletes are held to a higher standard than others. Eli is not a lock for Canton even if everyone of us thinks he is. We aren't voting for Eli. Crusty jaded and bias sports writers are voting for Eli. And i'd bet a lot of money that many of those voters do not think Eli is a HOF player at this moment.

Eli may in fact need to do a little more. Pay attention to the last 10 years of the narrative with this guy.

There's NO way Eli is a first ballot HOFer. No way in hell even if we all think he is.

To play it safe Eli better win 10 games each season these next 2-3 years and win a playoff game or two. He does that he's a near lock. If he doesn't, he's gonna wait a while and even then, he's no lock.

and they run out a modern string of Dave Browns, Ken Grahams and Danny Kannells for a few years.

I remember some morons actually saying that David Carr should have started over Eli for a time. They're still out there.

Are much closer when it comes to HOF than people realize. Ben has advantage in wins and less INTs. Eli in yards and TDs.

I think both are HOF. But what's funny with both of them is their numbers have gotten much better with age. Ben had pedestrian numbers for a long part of his career.

In comment 13029080 djm said:

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There's NO way Eli is a first ballot HOFer. No way in hell even if we all think he is. To play it safe Eli better win 10 games each season these next 2-3 years and win a playoff game or two. He does that he's a near lock. If he doesn't, he's gonna wait a while and even then, he's no lock.

Agree with this, and unless he wins another Super Bowl (big and unlikely IF) he's highly unlikely to ever be a First Ballot guy if even if he compiles some great career numbers. He just was never a slam dunk, top 5 QB in the league. He doesn't deserve it.

However, I think he's going to play a lot longer and compile some very impressive statistics, which will certainly make him a candidate to be an eventual HOFer (not first ballot).

If he wins another Super Bowl, I don't see how he's not on the first ballot. Being a 3 time champion at that position is the rarest of territory to be in.

Eli could take a flame thrower to the HOF in Canton then roast marshmallows on the flames and he'd still be a first ballot. Eli is one super bowl away from being able to laugh at some of the biggest QB names in NFL history. As is he's already getting seats at the table while other made QBs cannot.

should be enough to remove any doubt. The assholes won't be able to say anything if Eli is sitting there with...let's say a 11-6 postseason record along with 7 postseason appearances, 4-5 NFC east titles and the 2 NFL titles. With his yardage and TD totals being in the top ten realm...it would be impossible to keep him out.

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