Today, I was really, really missing football so I randomly got to thinking. Is there a player in the NFL I would trade Beckham for? I was trying to be unbiased and looking at the Giants needs, is there a player or group of players that I would trade Beckham for? Would I trade Beckham for a collection of draft picks? I'm not too sure.
I don't think there is any WR I would trade Beckham for straight up. If a team were to offer a collection of high draft picks and solid players, it might get interesting. Potentially a young franchise QB would be enough to trade Beckham. Aside from that, I don't think there is much if anything that I would trade Beckham for.
Ironically, I just ran across the link below from Colin Cowherd, who I really like. He is claiming that Beckham is not a top 10 NFL player and NO WR should be that high because WR's tend to be me first guys who demand the ball and upset the flow on the field. He feels that games are wont at the point of attack. Surprisingly, I kind of agree with his premise. Although I do think that Beckham is special and different and because of that, his logic is flawed.
Take a look at the link; he raises some interesting points.
Two part question: What is Beckham worth and is Cowherd right?
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They haven't had a non-QB be as important and potentially as important to their brand as he is and could be in a very long time.
Who cares if his contract is coming up? He is worth more than he is going to get. He changes the game. Did you not see the Minnesota game when he was suspended? He, alone, has such a domino effect on the whole offense. This is the first time in his career that he will be playing with any help in the pass game.
And he'll be worth every dollar he gets from the Giants.
I'm a fan of smash mouth football, but simple fact is this is now a QB/WR driven league, with only a few other position players at the same level of value (AP, Gronk to name a couple)
Off the top of my head, Suh is the only major change I can think of.
Beckham will likely remain a Giant for his entire career, changing perhaps only when he's in his last 5 and no longer the top receiver he currently is.
I seriously think you are insane but we are all definitely entitled to our opinions. The guy is an absolute game changer. Once in a generation type of player in my opinion.
Would you have traded Randy Moss after 2 years?
Cowherd likes to stir shit so who knows - but this is like telling Amazon they need retail stores. Every available statistic tells you otherwise
Haha unbelievable. Seriously unbelievable. Do receivers win Super Bowls by themselves? Name me on super bowl team that won because of one stud receiver, but many super winning teams have a stud receiver along with many great pieces.
Giants need a guy like Odell to win. They don't need to trade him to fix other parts. Talk about a major major case of robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Of course I will put him over Luke Keuchly, for Christmas sake, he's a freaking Middle LB. As awesome as he is, he doesnt score points and he doesnt make a living stopping QBs. so, thats a joke.
And I will put him over Gronk because Gronk has an injury history and Beckham does not. What else do you want to know. I like his beard and I like that hie is pissed about only being the 10th best player in the league, because in Fantasy Football he is top 5, maybe top 3.
I can't put him over Rodgers, or Cam, because QB is the most important position. I can't put him over Watt because pass rusher is the second most important position. Von Miller should be in the top 3 IMO>
EXACTLY.
I think a lot of CFB fans overrate the value of draft picks. Meanwhile, OBJ looks like a HOF-level talent; I don't see how you trade a young player like that, contract or no contract. Those guys are just too important, and too hard to find.
4 years initial contract
1 year option extension Giants' choice
1st year franchise tag
2nd year franchise tag (+120%)
Every year after the initial 4 years are up is still less than OBJ's market value.
The superstar players got hosed by the NFL CBA.
So franchise tag salaries that link him to the "top 5" salaries in the league are a bargain for the team.
Superstars got phooked.
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did Randy Moss win?
Haha unbelievable. Seriously unbelievable. Do receivers win Super Bowls by themselves? Name me on super bowl team that won because of one stud receiver, but many super winning teams have a stud receiver along with many great pieces.
Giants need a guy like Odell to win. They don't need to trade him to fix other parts. Talk about a major major case of robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Randy Moss put the Patriots up 4 with 2 minutes left to go. He did what you would expect for him to win a SB; he just didn't.
27th in defense
32nd in rushing offense
32nd in yards per carry
32nd in allowing QB hurries
This sounds like a 2-14 team, not a team that wins the Superbowl.
But that year you had Eli Manning and, essentially, 3 #1 WRs.
Not all games are won by elite players, but very few are won without big plays. These don't always come from the WR position, but it's probably the position on the field from where big plays most often come. When you have an elite WR who can get open all the time, catch everything and score from anywhere on the field, no matter the coverage, like Odell can, you have something that very few teams have. It's a piece around which a championship team can be built. You don't trade that piece, unless there are extenuating circumstances like off-field issues or poison locker room dynamics, and you certainly don't trade that piece in his rookie contract.
Having said that... If Eli was in his last year as a player, and there was a consensus number one, can't-miss, franchise QB coming out in next year's draft, I might be persuaded to trade OBJ for two ones and a two.
You all act like you are 100% sure that it was an isolated incident but a fan that pays attention will realize that a similar type thing happened when we played the Rams in Beckham rookie year. I subscribe to the theory of trading at max value. Two ones and two twos and I'm doing it easily.
Otherwise we are all going to be holding our collective breath hoping that Beckham can handle it the first time a DB makes a play on him and starts calling him gay like Josh Norman did last year.
No great skill player can win games on their own, but they certainly make a difference. Calvin Johnson is one of the best ever and the dude never won a playoff game. OBJ is as good as any top level skill player, but will the foundation hold up?
Unless I missed some news from OBJ or the team.
A guy from the Panthers walked over to OBJ wielding a baseball bat and threatened to injure him or take him out and then Norman was very questionably physical with OBJ after plays were finished.
Beckham was standing up for himself just as much as he "blew his cool."
Get over it, I doubt we see such behavior from Odell again.
Unless I missed some news from OBJ or the team.
A guy from the Panthers walked over to OBJ wielding a baseball bat and threatened to injure him or take him out and then Norman was very questionably physical with OBJ after plays were finished.
Beckham was standing up for himself just as much as he "blew his cool."
Get over it, I doubt we see such behavior from Odell again.
And he brings up a Jeff Fisher run team in STL who was very clearly trying to injure him. That safety knocked his teeth out or something but trying to spear him constantly amd missed. They hit him late on the sideline. Show me a player that does not get pissed off at that. He also channeled that frustration into a huge game. I don't really think Beckham lost his cool in that game at all.
That trade is a net plus three b/c you're losing Beckham. So will those three extra players result in more wins is the question, risk, etc.
The first thing I said was that I know I'm on the minority and I hope he has a career like Jerry Rice in Giants blue but my honest opinion after thinking about the whole picture is that for 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders I make that deal.
The first thing I said was that I know I'm on the minority and I hope he has a career like Jerry Rice in Giants blue but my honest opinion after thinking about the whole picture is that for 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders I make that deal.
TLG, please ditch the innuendo and say it straight up if what you mean by "the whole picture" is that you would trade Odell for 2 ones and 2 twos because he"s GAY.
Because given Odell's tweet photos of himself hanging shirtless with Antonio Brown and Zeke Elliot...
If he is gay, he's outing other NFL superstars and potential superstars as gay as well, and could hardly be called in the closet, and that would be freaking awesome and great for the gay and lesbian community, IMO!
And one would hope that his sexual preference would have zero bearing on the Giants'attitude towards him from FO through to players, ZERO.
If you think otherwise come out and say it.
What mind if in the game? He lost his cool against Josh Norman and was close against the Rams but got away with it and had a great game. Otherwise the guy comes to play every game, rarely drops the ball (unlike Cruz), and is dominant in most games. You build around a guy like that. You don't get someone decent to upgrade another position marginally. What other player will we lose that it's worth losing Beckham over?
Unless I missed some news from OBJ or the team.
A guy from the Panthers walked over to OBJ wielding a baseball bat and threatened to injure him or take him out and then Norman was very questionably physical with OBJ after plays were finished.
Beckham was standing up for himself just as much as he "blew his cool."
Get over it, I doubt we see such behavior from Odell again.
Lou, all you need to know about TLG is his position on JPP. He is one of the few still thinks he's an asshole.