Should the Giants Extend/Resign Jonathan Hankins?

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that would deserve a lowball offer that he wouldn't accept. Wait at least to midseason and see if he bounces back before making an offer.

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In comment 13028252 Bill in UT said:

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that would deserve a lowball offer that he wouldn't accept. Wait at least to midseason and see if he bounces back before making an offer.

Was it really lousy? I thought he was doing OK before getting hurt (seems like we use that as an excuse for dozens of Giants players every year...)

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B/c he's played at the #1 and i can't see Harrison playing anywhere but #1. So i anticipate Hankins moving to the #3 and let's see if he can play there. They might decide whether or not to resign him.

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In comment 13028252 Bill in UT said: Quote: that would deserve a lowball offer that he wouldn't accept. Wait at least to midseason and see if he bounces back before making an offer. Was it really lousy? I thought he was doing OK before getting hurt (seems like we use that as an excuse for dozens of Giants players every year...)

He averaged just over 2 tackles/1 assist per game, and had 0 sacks, after 7 the year before.

He's playing for a contract like JPP. Keep in mind, we need to sign Pugh, Richburg and OBJ in the coming years too. Lots of decisions to be made.

Kuhn, Seaview and Wynn haha

Selvie

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Kuhn, Seaview and Wynn haha

yeah, but I read that Kuhn was tying up 3 OL on every play

would try and do it right now, or after camp ends. He’s coming off an injury, which means we might get a little discount. That would disappear if he starts playing well again. And there is every reason to believe he will. Last year he had no help, and was double teamed on a lot of plays from what I saw. He had seven sacks in 2014. I would also be upset if he’s allowed to leave.

the 1 tech is the big hogbody taking up space and blockers while the 3 tech is on the outside shoulder of the guard and is the playmaker of the two.....Snacks is a 1 while Hankins we will find out...

I'm so excited about Snacks Harrison


(Today is July 10th)

then no. I would want to sign him to a long term deal. Hankins is a good player but all pro pass rushers are a must.

Is there a better alternative that I am missing?

before he got hurt and next to Kuhn??? resign him

If Giants want to extend him, I think its a good idea. But don't fool yourself, he will be very expensive.

Best thing with the extension is they can work the deal to be cap friendly like the Eagles were doing with there players. The contracts on the surface look big for those players, but they have "outs" in the contract that don't hurt them quit so much.

So yeah it would be nice to extend him, but its probably just as well to keep him on the cheap this year, make sure he can come back from the injury, stay injury free and progress in his development. Then next year complete with the market with the F-Tag as leverage.

How well JPP plays. If JPP plays well,i don't know if we can have four highly paid DL.

if he will take less than 6 million a year. Maybe something in the range of 5 years, 28million 15 guaranteed

.. to give more.

He needs to show he is worthy of 6 first because he has not even earned that yet.

If he takes a big step forward, Hankins is a goner next year and is replaced with another 2nd/3rd rounder in the 2017 draft. Thats been the Giants MO with DT's for awhile now.

Of course, if JPP isn't retained then that changes things (I'm assuming JPP is extended long term after this season)...

...they need to re-sign him.

I don't think he has

For all the people who keep saying we have to extend OBJ, keep in mind he is in year 3 of his rookie deal. After this season, before his 4th year, the Giants will exercise his option on the 5th year (2018). They then can franchise him in 2019 and 2020 if they choose. Don't be shocked to see that happen so they can sign other players.

Hankins alone, let alone enough about the other variables like possible long term deals for JPP or Pugh or how well Bromley steps up this year.

What we do know is the the Giants opened up the vault for OV and Snacks both and there isn't a bottomless pit of cash to sign more DL.

Giving any answer at all at this point is silly conjecture, nothing else.

is Hankins better than Barry Coffield or Linval Josephs?

Coffield and Josephs were let go

Coffield replaced by Chris Canty - Canty signed and worked along side him for the last year

Josephs replaced by Cullen Jenkins -- also worked along side him for the last year

I think Hankins is being replaced by Snacks -- the Giants generally don't carry two expensive Defensive Tackles

very unlikely they'll sign Hankins - he's gonna get paid

Reese's MO - Bring in a vet and have a rookie contract player by his side

which Hank are we going to get this year? Being a contract year I'm sure he'll be plenty motivated and, on paper, the DLine will be much improved around him, as well and so he might want to consider a long term deal before the season?! or do we Franchise Tag him next year?

Let go after their rookie contracts.."

Who exactly is on this long list?

I'm still bitter over letting LinJo going not anotha 1

Linval and Coefield are the last 2 let go ..

He needs a good year for me to retain him. You have your long term guy (Snacks) in place. I'd hate to let Hankins go and draft another DT (like with LJ), but- like in the LJ situation, I'd understand letting him go.

He should have a good year.

In comment 13028483 gidiefor said:

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is Hankins better than Barry Coffield or Linval Josephs? Coffield and Josephs were let go Coffield replaced by Chris Canty - Canty signed and worked along side him for the last year Josephs replaced by Cullen Jenkins -- also worked along side him for the last year I think Hankins is being replaced by Snacks -- the Giants generally don't carry two expensive Defensive Tackles very unlikely they'll sign Hankins - he's gonna get paid Reese's MO - Bring in a vet and have a rookie contract player by his side

So you already have the answer to your question all scoped out but want to read others make fools of themselves suggesting he should be re-signed?

You are not a very nice person, Gidie.

And to answer your real question: no, Hankins (so far) has not been nearly so good a DT as Cofield or Joseph were. He's had flashes of being better than either of them, but his body of work overall is less impressive.

In comment 13028483 gidiefor said:

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is Hankins better than Barry Coffield or Linval Josephs? Coffield and Josephs were let go Coffield replaced by Chris Canty - Canty signed and worked along side him for the last year Josephs replaced by Cullen Jenkins -- also worked along side him for the last year I think Hankins is being replaced by Snacks -- the Giants generally don't carry two expensive Defensive Tackles very unlikely they'll sign Hankins - he's gonna get paid Reese's MO - Bring in a vet and have a rookie contract player by his side

I hope you’re wrong, but that could well happen.

Typically have had expensive DE's, however, under Reese. So when they had Robbins-Cofield and Canty-Joseph, they did have guys like Strahan, Osi, Tuck, and Kiwanuka under deals.

If JPP moves on, I think there's a decent chance John Hankins re-signs. They can then slide in Owa to replace JPP. I don't think they want both JPP and Hankins to move on.

He and Harrison play the same role and they just signed Harrison to a big money contract. He would have to have a monster year for it to be a consideration and I don't see that happening.
p.s.-- If they thought Hankins was special, they wouldn't've signed Harrison to that kind of money.

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He and Harrison play the same role and they just signed Harrison to a big money contract. He would have to have a monster year for it to be a consideration and I don't see that happening. p.s.-- If they thought Hankins was special, they wouldn't've signed Harrison to that kind of money.

I disagree. Our run defense has been bad and our average LBs have been eaten alive. They want two hogs in the middle and the fact that Hankins showed he has some pass rush ability made the decision easy to go after arguably the best run stuffer in the league. Getting Snacks wasn't a reflection on Hankins. It was more of a reflection on the reality of our defense as a whole and what was available in FA. If there was an Aaron Donald type available then maybe the Giants would have went in that direction but Snacks was very high on their list. Snacks is the dominant player to the Giants so you fill in the pieces around him.

Plus, it isn't about playing one position. It is also about being flexible. We do not have 4 quality DEs like in the past. We are keeping our fingers crossed with Odi but ultimately pur DTs are going to have opportunities to rush the passer. Hankins can easily move over to the 1 tech while a player like Bromley or one of our DEs slides inside to the 3 tech.

Signing Snacks was a no-brainer imo with our inability to stop the run and has no bearing on what the Giants think of Hankins in terms of what he cannot do. If anything, this shows that they trust him to play both DT positions.

In comment 13028620 robbieballs2003 said:

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Signing Snacks was a no-brainer imo with our inability to stop the run and has no bearing on what the Giants think of Hankins in terms of what he cannot do. If anything, this shows that they trust him to play both DT positions.

It's never a no-brainer when you pay a 2-down run-stuffing DT $9M/year. And when they're paying him that kind of money to do the same thing they drafted you for in the 2nd round three years ago, that's not a good sign. Like I said, I'll be very surprised if Hankins is back with the team next yer.

In comment 13028675 Milton said:

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In comment 13028620 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Signing Snacks was a no-brainer imo with our inability to stop the run and has no bearing on what the Giants think of Hankins in terms of what he cannot do. If anything, this shows that they trust him to play both DT positions. It's never a no-brainer when you pay a 2-down run-stuffing DT $9M/year. And when they're paying him that kind of money to do the same thing they drafted you for in the 2nd round three years ago, that's not a good sign. Like I said, I'll be very surprised if Hankins is back with the team next yer.

Hankins doesn't just occupy blockers. Yes he can do that but he has shown quite a bit of ability to shed them and get into the backfield as well.

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Hankins doesn't just occupy blockers. Yes he can do that but he has shown quite a bit of ability to shed them and get into the backfield as well.

Given an over-under of 50% of the defensive snaps, I'm picking the under for Hankins.

was the reason for Hankin's poor year, his surrounding cast?

Fact is, he got off to a bad start....and then he was injured....

So with a better supporting cast, you would expect much more out of him this season.....

The one troubling thought is, when we lost Coffield and Joseph, we had drafted their replacements....we haven't drafted Hankin's.....

If JPP has a big year, he is probably gone, and his replacement will be a high priority, and could be costly...

He kind of played 9 invisible games last season.......the disturbing part was, he was counted on to be the leader of the DL, with JPP out.....it did not happen...

In comment 13028675 Milton said:

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In comment 13028620 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Signing Snacks was a no-brainer imo with our inability to stop the run and has no bearing on what the Giants think of Hankins in terms of what he cannot do. If anything, this shows that they trust him to play both DT positions. It's never a no-brainer when you pay a 2-down run-stuffing DT $9M/year. And when they're paying him that kind of money to do the same thing they drafted you for in the 2nd round three years ago, that's not a good sign. Like I said, I'll be very surprised if Hankins is back with the team next yer.

I am not factoring in the contract here. I am looking at it from a purely talent-based look. We needed a run stuffer. That is all I am saying. Yes, once the contract is figured in it makes it more questionable. My simple point was we needed to fix our run defense if we were ever going to give our pass rush a chance.

In terms of re-signing him, I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that it will happen. I think Beckham, JPP, Pugh, and Richburg are higher priorities but Hankins might be next in line. In a perfect world he plays well and we can keep him without hurting our cap. Things don't always work out perfect though. He has had one good year and 2 questionable ones. That alone should hurt his value but we really need him to step up this year.

sign him or Hankins ?

I like to see Giants' players stay with team but tough to pass on Wilkerson.

Wilkerson will command a bigger contract.

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sign him or Hankins ? I like to see Giants' players stay with team but tough to pass on Wilkerson. Wilkerson will command a bigger contract.

Supposedly the Giants like both Wilkerson and Harrison with Wilkerson getting the edge. At this point with the money we have given out I think JPP is more of a priority than Wilkerson. Wilkerson would have been a DE slash DT for us, imo. He might get some reps at DE on running situations while most likely lining up inside on passing situations. I don't think he is the type of full time DE like JPP is.

Let me ask everybody this, what are we doing at DE next year? You have Vernon. We hope Odi steps up but even if he does we need more quality DEs for our pass rush. If JPP leaves then you can bet DE becomes a first round target for us. Having him leave would leave this team very desperate for a pass rusher. I think he has to be brought back.

Disclaimer: Beforr the injury I did not want JPP back with the supposed lack of work ethic and dip in production. During the injury I was pissed like everyone else and flipped back and forth if we should remove the FT. Since then you can see the transformation with him mentally. He has matured so much. The injury and whole situation just flat out suck but, honestly, it may have been the best thing to happen to him. Good things can come out of negative situations and I believe he has handled this situation as best as he could and is looking for the positives from it. The fact that he owned up to it, is spending time and donating money to hospitals, the fact he did a PSA about fireworks, is all actions and not just words that he gets it now. Yes, money will be a big factor if he is brought back as well as his performance but I would not bet against him now.

Who would have thought that I would prefer JPP with a mangled hand as opposed to a fully functioning hand but I expect big things for him this year.

Damon Harrison and Wilkerson OR

Damon Harrison and Hankins ?

But I don't think they will. If he stays healthy and has a decent year, I'm pretty sure they'll make him what they consider a fair offer, but I think the odds are good that some other team will make him a better one. My guess is that the Giants will not pursue another high-priced free agent DT, but will be content to draft one relatively early.

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But I don't think they will. If he stays healthy and has a decent year, I'm pretty sure they'll make him what they consider a fair offer, but I think the odds are good that some other team will make him a better one. My guess is that the Giants will not pursue another high-priced free agent DT, but will be content to draft one relatively early.

When do players become restricted FA? Don't we get an opportunity to tender him next year? Or is that only if the player was signed for less than 4 years?

In comment 13029071 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 13029058 Klaatu said: Quote: But I don't think they will. If he stays healthy and has a decent year, I'm pretty sure they'll make him what they consider a fair offer, but I think the odds are good that some other team will make him a better one. My guess is that the Giants will not pursue another high-priced free agent DT, but will be content to draft one relatively early. When do players become restricted FA? Don't we get an opportunity to tender him next year? Or is that only if the player was signed for less than 4 years?

Beats me, robbie. All I know is that Spotrac has him listed as a UFA in 2017.
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and that seems correct, he cannot be "tendered."

There is no reason to let Jonathan Hankins become a free agent. He should get a long term contract and remain with the team. First of all money isn't an issue, the salary cap has been steadily rising for years and we can comfortably re-sign him and other players as necessary going forward for the next three years. Second point is he young, talented, displayed that talent on the field and hasn't reached his ceiling yet. Third point is we simply do not have a player of his talent behind him and should not try to replace him in free agency.

In comment 13028517 DennyInDenville said:

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Linval and Coefield are the last 2 let go ..

Cofield walked six years ago. Joseph there seasons ago. This is a "long list"?

and letting Jo walk was a mistake although probably not the huge mistake some want to believe.

Hopefully Hank has a healthy big start to the year and the Giants lock him up.

for $12.5 mill guaranteed only to admit the mistake 2 years later and go out and sign Harrison for $24 mill guaranteed.

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tired of letting these good Dt go so we have to continually draft one high and never have two good ones at the same time.

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tired of letting these good Dt go so we have to continually draft one high and never have two good ones at the same time.

So you missed the Superbowl winning years when the DTs were Robbins and Cofield and then Canty and Joseph, huh?

"Never" is a well defined word.

Do the Giants need "Hank the Tank"# well enuff to resign for significant bucks? I can just hear the soundtrack playing "...where have you gone Linval Jo-o-seph, ko-ko-ka-choo you too Ba-Barry Co-Co-Field..."

Yeah he has to have a bounce back year, but what a bounce it could be playing 1 technique, dribbling RBs on his way to assorted QBs. The Spags Battle Plan will be a whirrlygig of JPP, OV, OO & this big fella, along with LBs coming on like a tyranosarrus, with LeBronnian moves, on speed. Hell this T-Rex Defense will be the older, meaner version of the historic NASCAR Defense.

#Only question left: should he be dubbed "Hanks", "The Tank" or "Hankgrenade"?