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Is Rashad Jennings is the Giants' most underrated player?

gidiefor : Mod : 7/13/2016 1:42 pm
according to ESPN:
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Few consider Jennings a good No. 1 back, probably because he has never consistently garnered the touches or scoring chances to be anything more than the guy sitting at the end of your fantasy team's bench. But as a quasi-lead back in New York, Jennings has ranked in Football Outsiders' top 15 in both DYAR (total rushing value) and DVOA (value per carry) during each of the past two seasons. He also ranked in the top 10 for both stats in Oakland in 2013.


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Maybe  
AJ23 : 7/13/2016 1:51 pm : link
Who could know when he gets so few touches? I just know that I'll be laughing to myself again this year when one of my friends takes a Giants running back way too high in our fantasy draft. Unless McAdoo changes something, we'll again have as big a committee back there as any other team.
We'll see.  
Big Blue '56 : 7/13/2016 1:53 pm : link
As pointed out, it's about the touches. I don't think Vereen was used as he should have been, so to me, HE becomes my underrated player
I think DRC  
Old Dirty Beckham : 7/13/2016 1:53 pm : link
is the most underrated player. Hey may be the best player on our defense.
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arcarsenal : 7/13/2016 1:56 pm : link
Dwayne Harris
No..  
Chris684 : 7/13/2016 2:00 pm : link
I think Jennings is a nice player. I think he is the type of player who really flashes his ability when you watch him every now and then, like when we played Oakland in 2013 he looked like a beast.

When you watch him every week you see his flaws, most notably ball security. That said, I think he is a positive guy to have on the team with his work ethic, unselfish attitude.

Solid role player.
JPP is the Giants  
Chris684 : 7/13/2016 2:01 pm : link
most underrated player.
Hard to tell really, last year he got hurt, this year lack of touches  
OdellBeckhamJr : 7/13/2016 2:06 pm : link
He's shown us some flashes of greatness though, I think his rumble vs the Bills was my favorite play last year.
I have a list of underrated players on the Giants  
gidiefor : Mod : 7/13/2016 2:07 pm : link
John Jerry
Jonathan Hankins
Kerry Wynn
Levin Sheppard
Landon Collins
Trevin Wade
Eric Flowers
Will Tye
Larry Donnell
and Bobby Rainey

Jennings isn't even on it
RE: I have a list of underrated players on the Giants  
arcarsenal : 7/13/2016 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13031525 gidiefor said:
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John Jerry
Jonathan Hankins
Kerry Wynn
Levin Sheppard
Landon Collins
Trevin Wade
Eric Flowers
Will Tye
Larry Donnell
and Bobby Rainey

Jennings isn't even on it


Bobby Rainey? Larry Donnell? Very weird list, my friend.
I think fans do underrate  
AP in Halfmoon : 7/13/2016 2:16 pm : link
Donnell.
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arcarsenal : 7/13/2016 2:33 pm : link
How? He's a decent at best TE who can't seem to go down without some weird dopey somersault and loses control of the football as he hits the turf way too often.

He's had his moments but what does Larry Donnell really do all that well? I won't be surprised if he doesn't even make the team this year. I think Tye is better, Adams has a much higher ceiling and Will Johnson may even see some time at TE as a flex H-back hybrid type guy.
Jennings  
MotownGIANTS : 7/13/2016 2:43 pm : link
TC just refused to let him get into a rhythm ... DRC (but partly it is justified ... injuries from down to down basis)....Harris as a ST guy. (He needs to not be a WR other than 4th or 5th...too many plays/touches).
RE: .  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 7/13/2016 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13031502 arcarsenal said:
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Dwayne Harris


Agreed.
No, because Jennings can't hold up to the pounding.  
Victor in CT : 7/13/2016 3:31 pm : link
last year was the only time he ever dressed for 16 games
if anybody underrated Jennings  
SHO'NUFF : 7/13/2016 3:37 pm : link
it was TC. Our rotation last year should've been Jennings/Vereen 50/50...no more, no less. This year will be different with Perkins.
13 wins in two years  
Giants2012 : 7/13/2016 3:48 pm : link
makes it tough to identify who is underrated but I'll go with Richburg.
DRC  
kash94 : 7/13/2016 5:37 pm : link
is by far the most I think on this board

Rest of the NFL Eli of course
When I see Shane Vereen only mentioned once  
Thunderstruck27 : 7/13/2016 6:16 pm : link
in this entire thread, I wonder if I was watching another team last year. I feel like he did more with his limited playing time and touches than any other back our team.
He's also by far the most consistent RB we have that can actually catch the ball out of the backfield and do something after the catch.
RE: I have a list of underrated players on the Giants  
BlueLou : 7/13/2016 6:31 pm : link
In comment 13031525 gidiefor said:
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John Jerry
Jonathan Hankins
Kerry Wynn
Levin Sheppard
Landon Collins
Trevin Wade
Eric Flowers
Will Tye
Larry Donnell
and Bobby Rainey

Jennings isn't even on it


Before you bust an elbow Gidie, I think you whiffed on the player easily the most under rated on the Giants. Not on BBI, but everywhere else: Eli.
RE: DRC  
arcarsenal : 7/13/2016 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13031797 kash94 said:
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is by far the most I think on this board

Rest of the NFL Eli of course


I don't think DRC is underrated at all around here. I think he's the consensus #1 DB on the team right now and one of our best defensive players in the eyes of the vast majority of the people here.

I do think in general, he's underrated.. absolutely. People never talk about DRC with other CB's they consider to be the cream of the crop.. the Chris Harris', Richard Sherman's, Josh Norman's.. etc.

I think DRC > Josh Norman personally. I bet a lot of people here would agree but outside of here, I bet people would find that notion crazy.
Johnathan Hankins is my pick  
Rory : 7/13/2016 7:28 pm : link
Stuffs the run , rushes the passer , plays all 4 downs. Arguably best defensive lineman on the field last year before injury
Jennings is absolutely underrated.  
eclipz928 : 7/13/2016 7:35 pm : link
For whatever reason, there's a lot of BBIers who just can't get over it when players fumble the ball in key spots of a game, which Jennings has done maybe a couple times. But that's just the reality of the game: running backs fumble, running backs get injured.

I don't think there's enough data to say that Jennings has a fumbling problem or that he is injury-prone. But if you watch him, when he is healthy and when he does have the opportunity to carry the ball, he is very good. He would be a solid lead back on most teams in the NFL.

Jennings needs to have more than 10 carries a game, which is all that he was averaging last year up to the point in December when the light finally turned on with the coaching staff. I think under McAdoo this will be corrected, and we'll see greater production out of both him and Vereen.
I think that Pugh has been underrated by lots of fans over the years.  
yatqb : 7/13/2016 8:01 pm : link
Here's a guy who is a really fine LG, but who can also do a competent job at either OT spot.
RE: .  
AP in Halfmoon : 7/13/2016 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13031561 arcarsenal said:
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How? He's a decent at best TE who can't seem to go down without some weird dopey somersault and loses control of the football as he hits the turf way too often.

He's had his moments but what does Larry Donnell really do all that well? I won't be surprised if he doesn't even make the team this year. I think Tye is better, Adams has a much higher ceiling and Will Johnson may even see some time at TE as a flex H-back hybrid type guy.


He's a big target in the seam who can run. I can see him having a big year. Time will tell.
Odell Beckman Jr.  
Mason : 7/13/2016 10:22 pm : link
That Vikings game was all I need to reinforce it but I should have remember the 4 games he missed his rookie year to remind me.
I think It is Tye  
DavidinBMNY : 7/13/2016 10:26 pm : link
He's very much discounted. He had a strong rookie year. If he can improve his blocking and the article posted by Erix says he has gotten stronger, he could be a force.

Harris is also a very good candidate but I picked Tye because Harris is at least getting paid fairly wellby the Giants, so they value him.
RE: I think It is Tye  
giantgiantfan : 7/13/2016 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13031998 DavidinBMNY said:
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He's very much discounted. He had a strong rookie year. If he can improve his blocking and the article posted by Erix says he has gotten stronger, he could be a force.

Harris is also a very good candidate but I picked Tye because Harris is at least getting paid fairly wellby the Giants, so they value him.


Not sure who the most underrated is, but over the last 4 games of 2015 he had 18 receptions, 168 yards, and 3 TDs. Obviously its ridiculous to extend that over 16 games, but for fun thats 72 receptions, 678 yards. and 12 TDs.

More realistic might be to take his stats over the last 8 games 34/387/3 and extend that to a full season which still comes to 68 receptions, 774, 6 TDs. I think those are some realistic numbers though I'd drop the receptions and yards a tad. Who knows though, he could have some huge opportunities with a healthy Cruz, solid Shepherd, and the unstoppable Odell.
His Giants tenure has been rather underwhelming  
joeinpa : 7/14/2016 5:57 am : link
So I d say no, he is not underrated.
The dilemma with Jennings...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/14/2016 9:57 am : link
...is that he does everything pretty well, and looks really good once he gets into a rhythm; but he's not durable enough to handle enough touches to get into a rhythm with any consistency. So, in 2015, the staff adopted a reasonable approach of limiting his touches to keep their best all-around back fresh and healthy for the stretch run. The trade-off was that, with the lighter workload, Jennings didn't get rolling until the season had already slipped down the drain. The rest of the committee approach was a mess too: Williams was awful and Darkwa had one great drive before getting hurt. So, what seemed like a reasonable strategy on paper turned into a disaster on the field.

Maybe the least-bad option is to ride Jennings as long as he lasts, knowing that at some point he'll probably break down and Williams, Perkins, Darkwa or Rainey will have to take over as the primary ball-carrier. (Vereen is Vereen, and his role is what it is.)

As for ball security, that's another enigma: Jennings rarely fumbles, but when he does it seems to happen at the worst possible times. That's not just a function of RJ's bad timing. It's partly because the 2014-2015 Giants had such a small margin for error, and such a lousy defense, that any turnover was likely to be a killer.

To answer the original question, I don't think Jennings is underrated. He might be somewhat under-appreciated because the guys behind him last year did such a poor job of covering for his one glaring weakness: durability.
Two,  
oldog : 7/14/2016 12:21 pm : link
Eli and JPP. And just for the record, the right side of the O-Line.
I'll repeat this  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 7/14/2016 1:52 pm : link
because it needs to be repeated...

Jennings cannot handle a feature back role at this point in his career. TC knew this. That's why he shares carries. They don't do that just to be mean to Jennings.
I'd also go with  
Randy in CT : 7/14/2016 1:56 pm : link
Eli and JPP.

I think what you see is what you get with Jennings. He might be overrated actually.
He's 31....  
Doomster : 7/14/2016 4:07 pm : link
He has no speed....

He makes mistakes at the most inopportune times.....

That being said, he is a solid performer, when used correctly......he is not the type of runner that can carry the load...he has to be given his spots, and stay with him, when he is running good....he is good as a runner and receiver, and maybe he has to be in a "rhythm".....but don't make him out to be something he is not....

He is not a workhorse, and will never be....
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