Has Cooper Taylor run out of chances?

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I was a fan and thought they'd found a good player but he's had any number of chances and just never impressed. Can't see where he fits on this team.

the perfect test case for whether or not those "scholarships" still exist with the Giants...since I believe he was already cut by the Giants once.

As to whether he has run out of chances...the fact that he's still on the team means that he hasn't run out of chances. He can still perform well in camp and in the exhibition games to gain a roster spot.

yet another non story

In comment 13033476 Vin R said:

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Morning Vin!

is his last chance. The guy just needs to stay healthy and maybe he can finally produce.

Thus ending said scholarship?

move on...

When you use a 5th round on a guy from Richmond whose only real positive attributes are excellent (but not phenomenal) physical characteristics, your organization is taking on a developmental period.

I would venture to guess that a realistic timetable for potential starter was after 2 years, and only if injury issues did not hinder the process.

If he shows that he is not just wasting coaching time, he probably will make it to the final cut, but he now needs injury help to others to have a realistic chance.

very good speed. The fact that he can't stay healthy has really hurt his chances to stick this year, though, considering how many other safeties he's competing with for a roster spot.

he's slowly jogged on a bike out of chances.

I'm assuming you're retired full-time now?

...but maybe no more mysterious than the 5 Million threads about a non-entity who doubles as a walking medicine cabinet.

and performs well, while staying healthy, then he has a fighting chance. Otherwise, if he so much as gets a hangnail then he is probably done.

I don't recall ever seeing him run.

In comment 13033667 David B. said:

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I don't recall ever seeing him run.

boom-CHEE!

show you the state of the Giant Safety position?

He was only brought back, after he was cut, because of desperation....

I think the Giants realize, that he could have a good camp and preseason, and then go down in the first game....so I feel he is just a body for the 90 man squad, that won't make the final cut...

In comment 13033722 Doomster said:

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show you the state of the Giant Safety position? He was only brought back, after he was cut, because of desperation.... I think the Giants realize, that he could have a good camp and preseason, and then go down in the first game....so I feel he is just a body for the 90 man squad, that won't make the final cut...

As of now, he may be the only backup at SS; the other guys all seem to be better fits at FS (and a couple those guys have injury issues as well)

He's the very definition of injury prone. He's Gerris Wilkinson 2.0. Talented, but can't stay healthy.

In comment 13033752 Klaatu said:

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He's the very definition of injury prone. He's Gerris Wilkinson 2.0. Talented, but can't stay healthy.

Good analogy. Let’s see what camp brings, but he’s probably starting at the bottom of the depth chart. Reese says he gives draft picks every chance to fail, but as someone said, the Giants have already cut him once. The Giants also cut Beatty, Beason, and Schwartz in the off season, indicating that they want healthier players. And they had a lot more invested in those players than Taylor. Absent a lot of injuries or a phenomenal camp and pre season, I don’t see how he makes the team.

It's a bummer he can't put it all together. I thought he had a lot of potential, but he can't stay healthy and he can't get the reps to improve.

In comment 13033728 Beer Man said:

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As of now, he may be the only backup at SS; the other guys all seem to be better fits at FS (and a couple those guys have injury issues as well)

Justin Currie is much better suited to play SS than FS. I wouldn't sleep on him or the rookie UDFA from UConn, Andrew Adams.

that was about it for his career.

Not sure where you all saw this "talent" he displayed...

Coughlin was very hesitant to play young players unless high draft choices. Last year because he didn't want to have 2 inexperienced safeties he cut Cooper to add Dahl. Before that he was a healthy scratch in favor of Merriweather.

Now I thought coach coughlin was a good coach but he had his flaws and handling young talent, like UDFA's and low round draft choices was not his best attribute. Taylor offers a necessary option for covering TE's. At 6'4" he has the mensurables to be a huge asset which we would otherwise not possess. Thompson at 6'2" can be huge for us, but having Taylor in the big nickel can prove huge for the Defense. like when coach Spagnoulo had Deon Grant.

Taylor had surgery for a sports hernia, he should be ready for camp. I think if they five him a chance it would pay great dividends. Before anyone shoots down my train of thought remember what happen with keeping Preston Parker over Washington, his drops were directly responsible for 3 losses before he was cut.

In comment 13033809 Jimmy Googs said:

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that was about it for his career. Not sure where you all saw this "talent" he displayed...

At the Shrine Game (and practices) after which Gil Brandt said he could be another Kam Chancellor.

When he's healthy he sure does fly around for a guy with his size. Problem is just like college days, he's always banged up. You can't continually save a roster spot for a guy who can't stay on the field. Thankfully we have a plethora of young talent at the safety position. Collins, Thompson, Thompson, Taylor, Currie, Jackson, berhe. Going to be nice camp competition. Currie looked good last year before breaking the ankle. We'll see how he bounces back.

In comment 13033722 Doomster said:

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show you the state of the Giant Safety position? He was only brought back, after he was cut, because of desperation.... I think the Giants realize, that he could have a good camp and preseason, and then go down in the first game....so I feel he is just a body for the 90 man squad, that won't make the final cut...

Ugh, no. The Giants lose absolutely nothing by holding onto him now. If him on the roster indicates desperation at the safety spot, how come he is listed at the very bottom of the depth chart? Chances are he has an uphill climb at making the roster.

In comment 13033870 Klaatu said:

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In comment 13033809 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: that was about it for his career. Not sure where you all saw this "talent" he displayed... At the Shrine Game (and practices) after which Gil Brandt said he could be another Kam Chancellor.

Ah yes, now I recall. Brandt said that right after he fell down and hit his head on the ground...

RE: Does the fact that he is still on this roster
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In comment 13033722 Doomster said:
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show you the state of the Giant Safety position?

He was only brought back, after he was cut, because of desperation....

I think the Giants realize, that he could have a good camp and preseason, and then go down in the first game....so I feel he is just a body for the 90 man squad, that won't make the final cut...


Ugh, no. The Giants lose absolutely nothing by holding onto him now. If him on the roster indicates desperation at the safety spot, how come he is listed at the very bottom of the depth chart? Chances are he has an uphill climb at making the roster.


I agree.....they lose absolutely nothing by holding onto him...he can be cut any time.....but the mere fact, that he is still on this roster, does show you the "state" of the safety position....

In comment 13034173 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 13033870 Klaatu said: Quote: In comment 13033809 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: that was about it for his career. Not sure where you all saw this "talent" he displayed... At the Shrine Game (and practices) after which Gil Brandt said he could be another Kam Chancellor. Ah yes, now I recall. Brandt said that right after he fell down and hit his head on the ground...

No, that was after an excellent week, and Brandt wasn't the only one singing his praises.

You want to question Taylor's ability, fine. Just don't be a dick about it.

...he's just not a very good football player.

i thought he impressed his 2nd preseason, tom singled him out repeatedly in the offseason as having changed his body and caught his eye. merritt was raving about him. he was playing well and then the sesamoid foot fracture. has not impressed since

Isn't that what did-in Hakeem Nicks ? That is a total shame, now I get it.

Collins, Berhe, D. Thompson and Jackson will make the team.

Not sure if M. Thompson is eligible for the PS, but if he is then bye Taylor.

In comment 13034338 Torrag said:

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...he's just not a very good football player.

No, he's a good football player who, unfortunately, has been injury prone.

In comment 13034320 Klaatu said:

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In comment 13034173 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: In comment 13033870 hKlaatu said: Quote: In comment 13033809 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: that was about it for his career. Not sure where you all saw this "talent" he displayed... At the Shrine Game (and practices) after which Gil Brandt said he could be another Kam Chancellor. Ah yes, now I recall. Brandt said that right after he fell down and hit his head on the ground... No, that was after an excellent week, and Brandt wasn't the only one singing his praises. You want to question Taylor's ability, fine. Just don't be a dick about it.

Way too sensitive. Some light-hearted comments regarding a guy that even the coaches have often made a healthy scratch for a team that has weak Safeties, and you start to go postal. If you want to stick up for him, fine, just don't you be a jerk about it.

You gave a snarky reply to that so I called you on it, and I'm the jerk? Get real.

even when not injured.

And its also not real close.

He did lead the team in tackles during his rookie preseason, and he was tailor-made (no pun intended) for the Deon Grant role in Fewell's defense. His talent has never been questioned, only his durability, where he has come up woefully short. As I said earlier, I don't think he'll make the team this year, but it's not because he isn't talented. Again, like Gerris Wilkinson, he just can't stay healthy.

start occurring. Agree it could occur once, but it was more.

In comment 13034755 Jimmy Googs said:

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even when not injured. And its also not real close.

I disagree. He did flash in camp but would always end up hurt. This is his year, watch. If he is dinged early this camp though I don't think they'll try and stick with him to see his potential. But it would maybe be a good idea to give him a last big shot sinc he is big and fast and knows the scheme.

Behr, Thompson, or Jackson have NOT MADE ONE NFL TACKLE, and hence they make the team. Its doesn't work like that. Even the number one pick Apple is developmental.

I like Cooper Taylor because he knows the business and has experience in the industry.

If Cooper CAN stays healthy he is a player.

Your right...i forgot that key attribute he has that no one else can even fathom or bring to the table...he knows the business.

In fact, I am sure Dave Merritt will bring that up to all the Safeties on the first day of summer camp...

"Guys, glad you are all here. We are going to have a tough but good and fair camp. Some of you won't be here in the end but for the ones that do make it, you will know you are the best. However, everybody keep in mind that Cooper Taylor knows the business so he has that going for him...which is nice."

If you get a concussion ,cant walk, cant play , get your jaw broken... your cut from the profession. If you don't make it 3yrs you are not eligible for a retirement pension. These guys love the game but the game takes a piece of the players. If Cooper stays healthy he is valuable

S Cooper Taylor showed well in spots in camp but never produced. He just never did produce or stay healthy. However, if he does get healthy by say the end of July and shows really well he has a chance to stick on a team with limited safety talent.

As I was reading today though, I am more and more sold on the fact that safety draft pick Thompson starts and plays center field for the Giants this year. He is a ball hawk and showed well in mini-camp.

I don't like the idea of a rookie starting at FS game 1 because teams will attack and likely expose a rookie who will make mistakes but we lack talent and need our "most talented" guy to learn.

I had dreams of S Cooper Taylor finally maturing and starting FS as he has the speed and superb size but then I considered Thompson and his potential / upside. I like to dream.

Maybe B. Jackson starts the season at FS if his ACL has healed enough. But Thompson will start at some point and will clearly be active and play a lot right out of the gates.

All he has to do is get over his most recent injury; get back into shape; stay healthy; start making plays, gain confidence of all the coaches; start moving up from the bottom of the depth chart; ultimately get onto the first team; make more plays; gain a starting position for Game 1 in Dallas; and then finally show that he belongs by being a productive defender.

Should be no problem...

In comment 13036689 Jimmy Googs said:

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All he has to do is get over his most recent injury; get back into shape; stay healthy; start making plays, gain confidence of all the coaches; start moving up from the bottom of the depth chart; ultimately get onto the first team; make more plays; gain a starting position for Game 1 in Dallas; and then finally show that he belongs by being a productive defender. Should be no problem...

Glad you've come to your senses.

Now, cake, pudding, or pie?

In comment 13033870 Klaatu said:

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In comment 13033809 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: that was about it for his career. Not sure where you all saw this "talent" he displayed... At the Shrine Game (and practices) after which Gil Brandt said he could be another Kam Chancellor.

If after 3 years in the league you are still talking about the Shrine game, its safe to say he hasn't shown very much

This is what we all have to do on a daily basis. It starts with thanking God for waking you up in the morning. PROVE yourself capable.
The way I see it there is no player in front of him. He stays healthy he can help the team.

That's working for a living

In comment 13036747 Klaatu said:

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In comment 13036689 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: All he has to do is get over his most recent injury; get back into shape; stay healthy; start making plays, gain confidence of all the coaches; start moving up from the bottom of the depth chart; ultimately get onto the first team; make more plays; gain a starting position for Game 1 in Dallas; and then finally show that he belongs by being a productive defender. Should be no problem... Glad you've come to your senses. Now, cake, pudding, or pie?

one slice of humble pie please...

In comment 13036775 Elite Mobster #32 said:

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This is what we all have to do on a daily basis. It starts with thanking God for waking you up in the morning. PROVE yourself capable. The way I see it there is no player in front of him. He stays healthy he can help the team. That's working for a living

Who are you? And I don't mean specifically, more metaphysically...

In comment 13036768 ron mexico said:

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In comment 13033870 Klaatu said: Quote: In comment 13033809 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: that was about it for his career. Not sure where you all saw this "talent" he displayed... At the Shrine Game (and practices) after which Gil Brandt said he could be another Kam Chancellor. If after 3 years in the league you are still talking about the Shrine game, its safe to say he hasn't shown very much

Shrine game, now that is funny. Look, S Cooper Taylor just never stayed healthy. Never. He flashed in camp and I recall TC's face when he got hurt in a pre-season game, costing him the season. Clearly, TC liked him.

I'm not dreaming about him being our starter this year any more based on some of the reply posts about him here and on another thread. I now believe B. Jackson may begin the season at FS with S Thompson working his way in. I don't like the idea of starting a rookie but maybe Thompson even starts with the idea that he'll learn on the job. Thompson has the most upside of anyone.

But would anyone be truly shocked if S Cooper Taylor finallly showed why he was picked and plays well for us? I just wouldn't be if he stays healthy.

In comment 13036909 Jimmy Googs said:

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That is funny my man. I'm sitting at home on my couch, out of the hospital, a bit bored and am just trying to generate some optimism before camp starts.

But in truth, after reading Pat Traina's comments on Cooper Taylor and just considering his resume, we'd all be shocked if this young man truly came on this year and made a statement.

His "advantage" is that he knows the defense and got snaps in it last year. His disadvantage is his injury history and lack of production history. LOL.

In comment 13036768 ron mexico said:

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In comment 13033870 Klaatu said: Quote: In comment 13033809 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: that was about it for his career. Not sure where you all saw this "talent" he displayed... At the Shrine Game (and practices) after which Gil Brandt said he could be another Kam Chancellor. If after 3 years in the league you are still talking about the Shrine game, its safe to say he hasn't shown very much

Of course he hasn't...he's been out-of-action due to injuries every year. But Jimmy's question was where I saw his talent on display, and my answer was at the Shrine Game. That has zero to do with how he's played (or not played) since then. You have to start somewhere.

In comment 13038461 Klaatu said:

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In comment 13036768 ron mexico said: Quote: In comment 13033870 Klaatu said: Quote: In comment 13033809 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: that was about it for his career. Not sure where you all saw this "talent" he displayed... At the Shrine Game (and practices) after which Gil Brandt said he could be another Kam Chancellor. If after 3 years in the league you are still talking about the Shrine game, its safe to say he hasn't shown very much Of course he hasn't...he's been out-of-action due to injuries every year. But Jimmy's question was where I saw his talent on display, and my answer was at the Shrine Game. That has zero to do with how he's played (or not played) since then. You have to start somewhere.

Assuming my memory is right (LOL), I recall I believe the 2014 pre-season where he was looking good in camp and got hurt in a preseason game. I remember TC's face biting down due to his injury. It sucks when you have a young, big, fast guy who is learning lost in a pre-season game. Seems like he never really got a chance to develop.

Pat Traina had replied in a thread post something to the effect of don't count on Taylor, and I took that as she has some insight on what coaches / players think of him and his progress. He may have made it back last year simply because he knew the system and injuries hit.

Having said all this, I am still hoping he totally surprises this camp. Can't help but to hope for best!!

He's been hurt every year he's been in the league. Look up "injury prone" in the dictionary and you'll find his picture there. Hell, he got a sports hernia this year at the OTAs! He's appeared in 16 out of a possible 48 games. Is it any wonder that the Giants have drafted (or signed) at least a half-dozen Safeties since they drafted him in 2013? They already cut him once, they'll most likely do it again. Forget him. Move on.

In comment 13038477 Klaatu said:

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He's been hurt every year he's been in the league. Look up "injury prone" in the dictionary and you'll find his picture there. Hell, he got a sports hernia this year at the OTAs! He's appeared in 16 out of a possible 48 games. Is it any wonder that the Giants have drafted (or signed) at least a half-dozen Safeties since they drafted him in 2013? They already cut him once, they'll most likely do it again. Forget him. Move on.

Again, no argument out of me with Taylor's history. Or B. Jackson's to date. Or N. Behre's to date. We have a hex that we have to hope is finally broken this year.

We can't afford to have another year with our secondary decimated. I honestly believe if just our secondary had stayed fairly healthy last year (Behre, Jackson and Prince playing 16 games) we may have at least been 9-7 and maybe division champs over the Skins. Alas, it was not to be.

Our biggest blow last year was obviously the july 4th BOOM on JPP but losing our secondary in camp was also devastating for a team with limited depth.