But that's no guarantee that whoever succeeds him will be better and, in any case, despite whatever improvement someone else might be over Erdogan things have the potential to get very bloody.
I was wondering that myself. I think Article 5 does not apply to a coup - Turkey has been a NATO member state since the '50s and there have been several coups in Turkey since then.
This is about 10 years too late. The question is if the military is looking to rule or restore the secular Turkey that was always the Ataturk model.
Hard to give up power once you've taken it. But hard to argue that (thus far) Egypt isn't better off for Sisi having done the same in Egypt.
I think they're fed up with Erdogan and his cronies and want to go back secular. I also expect a good house cleaning in the military to get rid of the plants Erdogan installed there.
is that it sets a precedent to grab institutional control when things don't go your way.
All too often, these "situations" are when you are no longer earning rents or profits from the current set of leaders.
It may ease some short-term issues, but it gives rise to a lot of long-term concerns, including who will be enticed to take power knowing that the military is watching...
Ironic aspect to this is that when he took over as Pres
He sacked a bunch of the top level brass in the military to prevent a coup. Military is much more secular then the current President (or ex) and staff were
But that's no guarantee that whoever succeeds him will be better and, in any case, despite whatever improvement someone else might be over Erdogan things have the potential to get very bloody.
Also, we know he wont just disappear, but rather will hunt down whomever holds the ring of power even if his quest to recover it kills him.
This is about 10 years too late. The question is if the military is looking to rule or restore the secular Turkey that was always the Ataturk model.
Hard to give up power once you've taken it. But hard to argue that (thus far) Egypt isn't better off for Sisi having done the same in Egypt.
I think they're fed up with Erdogan and his cronies and want to go back secular. I also expect a good house cleaning in the military to get rid of the plants Erdogan installed there.
Or they dont like what is going on with the Kurds, or ISIS, or the Syrian border, or the recent change in relations with Israel. Who knows.
But I believe at least one factor in past coups has been to reassert Ataturk-style secularism, which dominates the military, over religiously-motivated elected officials....that would certainly appear to apply here.
A Turkish news agency has published a statement from the military saying the armed forces have "fully seized control" of the country.
The Dogan agency reported that the statement said that the military did this "to reinstall the constitutional order, democracy, human rights and freedoms, to ensure that the rule of law once again reigns in the country, for the law and order to be reinstated."
The military statement went on to say that "all international agreements and commitments will remain. We pledge that good relations with all world countries will continue."
Now the leader of the military can go live in the hundred million dollar palace Gollum had built for himself. It's wishful thinking on anyone's part to think a military taking over is good for the populace or anyone really.
Gollum is terrible no doubt, but why exactly would the military ever relinquish control and why would it not become wholly corrupted by absolute power?
Dude went nuts with power. That being said, military coups usually don't end well. We'll see what happens.
It's only a plus if it doesn't come along with a civil war, the corresponding deluge of refugees from said war, the bloodshed incurred, and the introduction of more instability and chaos into an already unstable, chaotic region.
I dislike Erdogan as much as anyone, but the potential for this to be a disaster greatly outweighs any possible benefits of removing Erdogan from power.
that violence is an acceptable avenue to address domestic concerns. What do you think the large amounts of disenfranchised people in Turkey are taking away from this?
oh, and btw, the US still has thousands of AF personnel at Incirlik
Or not, he was democratically elected. Once a coup occurs, more often then not a dictatorship follows. The turkish people need to rise up against this asap.
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BREAKING: Military statement read on state TV: Armed forces have seized power, citing rising autocratic rule, increased terrorism.
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Yeah. But not necessarily a bigger problem than chaos.
This is about 10 years too late. The question is if the military is looking to rule or restore the secular Turkey that was always the Ataturk model.
Hard to give up power once you've taken it. But hard to argue that (thus far) Egypt isn't better off for Sisi having done the same in Egypt.
Report: Turkish military releases statement, saying armed forces have 'fully seized control' of the country.
I was wondering that myself. I think Article 5 does not apply to a coup - Turkey has been a NATO member state since the '50s and there have been several coups in Turkey since then.
This is about 10 years too late. The question is if the military is looking to rule or restore the secular Turkey that was always the Ataturk model.
Hard to give up power once you've taken it. But hard to argue that (thus far) Egypt isn't better off for Sisi having done the same in Egypt.
I think they're fed up with Erdogan and his cronies and want to go back secular. I also expect a good house cleaning in the military to get rid of the plants Erdogan installed there.
All too often, these "situations" are when you are no longer earning rents or profits from the current set of leaders.
It may ease some short-term issues, but it gives rise to a lot of long-term concerns, including who will be enticed to take power knowing that the military is watching...
Also, we know he wont just disappear, but rather will hunt down whomever holds the ring of power even if his quest to recover it kills him.
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I mean...wow.
This is about 10 years too late. The question is if the military is looking to rule or restore the secular Turkey that was always the Ataturk model.
Hard to give up power once you've taken it. But hard to argue that (thus far) Egypt isn't better off for Sisi having done the same in Egypt.
I think they're fed up with Erdogan and his cronies and want to go back secular. I also expect a good house cleaning in the military to get rid of the plants Erdogan installed there.
Or they dont like what is going on with the Kurds, or ISIS, or the Syrian border, or the recent change in relations with Israel. Who knows.
There could be some quite nasty political combinations of convenience being made from this.
There could be some quite nasty political combinations of convenience being made from this.
And if the PKK decides to try to take advantage of this opening, "nasty" probably doesn't even begin too describe what might follow.
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Nothing very reliable. Seems like opening fire where they did might suggest they knew where he would be,
The Dogan agency reported that the statement said that the military did this "to reinstall the constitutional order, democracy, human rights and freedoms, to ensure that the rule of law once again reigns in the country, for the law and order to be reinstated."
The military statement went on to say that "all international agreements and commitments will remain. We pledge that good relations with all world countries will continue."
Gollum is terrible no doubt, but why exactly would the military ever relinquish control and why would it not become wholly corrupted by absolute power?
It's only a plus if it doesn't come along with a civil war, the corresponding deluge of refugees from said war, the bloodshed incurred, and the introduction of more instability and chaos into an already unstable, chaotic region.
I dislike Erdogan as much as anyone, but the potential for this to be a disaster greatly outweighs any possible benefits of removing Erdogan from power.
BREAKING According to our source, Turkish president Ardogan left the country in his private presidential jet http://ift.tt/29V4vsA
Also says planes are now diverting award from the Turkish int'l airport.
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bedfellows.
There could be some quite nasty political combinations of convenience being made from this.
And if the PKK decides to try to take advantage of this opening, "nasty" probably doesn't even begin too describe what might follow.
Not to say they won't do it, but PKK would be nuts to get involved in this.
The ripple effects of this are gong to be tremendous.
-- Syria
-- Migration crisis in the EU
-- ISIS
just to start
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#BREAKING TURKISH JUSTICE MINISTER SAYS US-BASED IMAM FETHULLAH GULEN'S FOLLOWERS IN MILITARY ATTEMPTING TO SEIZE POWER
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BREAKING: Military statement read on state TV: Armed forces have seized power, citing rising autocratic rule, increased terrorism.