Brian Stelter ✔ @brianstelter
For those of you wondering about @CNNTurk, it launched in 1999 it's operated by local journalists in Turkey they license the CNN name.
9:18 PM - 15 Jul 2016
DavidKenner ✔ @DavidKenner
So what does Obama do when Erdogan demands that he kick Gulen out of the US?
9:20 PM - 15 Jul 2016
The Int'l Spectator @intlspectator
BREAKING: Erdogan says traitors in military are taking orders from Pennsylvania, where opposition leader Gulen is based
9:24 PM - 15 Jul 2016
And sometimes it's much better. Like with Egypt, you have a military coup against a democratically elected Islamist who has been slowly stripping away democracy since he got into office. You can't have a democracy without freedom of the press.
Has Avrat @hasavrat
Erdoğan: "This event (coup) is the grace of God. We will cleanse traitors from within TSK." https://twitter.com/sahmetsahmet/status/754123510944071681
9:26 PM - 15 Jul 2016
Stratfor @Stratfor
Erdogan says over 40 yrs Gulenists infiltrated armed forces, police & other institutions, are a threat to national unity, caused coup, @ntv
9:42 PM - 15 Jul 2016
Has Avrat @hasavrat
Erdoğan: "This event (coup) is the grace of God. We will cleanse traitors from within TSK." https://twitter.com/sahmetsahmet/status/754123510944071681
9:26 PM - 15 Jul 2016
I'm looking at all the facebook live feeds in ankara and istanbul and all the tanks are abandoned, and it looks like civilians are pulling the artillery shells out of the tank Link - ( New Window )
And yet this really is bizarre. Within the span of a few hours Erdogan goes from fleeing the country and issuing statements via Facetime to triumphantly flying into Istanbul? A coup that had enough strength to command sizeable army units as well as planes and helicopters just crumples in one evening? It just seems way too fast.
He's already made the country less secular and less democratic. If this results in him having more power it will be bad for Turkey and bad for the Middle East.
This Pokemon thing is really getting out of control.
When you do a coup you do so understanding that if you fail to win you, your side, and everyone you care about will be killed. Doesn't matter what country you are in, there is a price to losing and everyone knows what it is.
This is over way too easy. Like lambs to the slaughter.
When you do a coup you do so understanding that if you fail to win you, your side, and everyone you care about will be killed. Doesn't matter what country you are in, there is a price to losing and everyone knows what it is.
This is over way too easy. Like lambs to the slaughter.
They were conscripted soldiers. Many were just following orders from some higher ups and didn't understand what was going on. That's why the coup in Russia failed. Conscripted soldiers do not have it in them to turn the gun on family and friends.
Interesting that I'm reading about that here, but have not heard of this from the talking heads??? I worry about Erdogan and his slow purging of his opposition, and his moves to be autocratic. Why do we not hear of this in the media?? Is this an intelligence failure??
Reb...yeah looks like a setback for the people of Turkey and Europe and the me.
Yeah it might be an intelligence failure.
Might be good or bad for PKK. They have staying power and military morale is not going to go higher.
But Iraq and Iran remain unable to show they are stable enough to draw external capital and both remain without a way to get their oil out of the ground efficiently at anywhere near a clearing price nor transported nor their reserves risk adjusted attractive enough to draw investment capital.
That all hurts the East and Russia.
Eurasia is not a fun place this century ( for further insight see kickers chart on the other thread).
It appears law passed a few weeks ago "restructuring for efficiency" top courts was the last straw for a segment of the military.
"Under the new law, most of the 711 judges at two of the highest courts - the Council of State, which hears cases lodged by citizens against the government, and the Supreme Court of Appeals - will be removed. It is not clear how many of them will be reappointed.
There will be fewer judges and new appointments will be carried out by the High Council of Judges and Prosecutors (HSYK), which oversees judicial appointments and falls under the control of the Justice Ministry.
Erdogan will also be able to appoint a quarter of the judges at the Council of State, allowing him to stack one of the country's most important legal bodies with his allies." Link - ( New Window )
He wrote a piece in March titled "Could there be a coup in Turkey?" (linked)
He made a really interesting point. Erdogan purged the top level of the military (multi-star generals) so that the people left are loyalists. He's been in power for 14 years meaning that everyone from Majors on down are in the Erdogan camp. So there was just this little slice left in the Colonel to Brigadier general range who are not naturally Ergodan's loyalists. Rubin said that basically it was now or never for this group, as their numbers and power were going to dwindle thru the up and out process.
ANKARA, July 16 (Reuters) - Turkish authorities on Saturday removed 2,745 judges from duty following an attempted coup by a military faction overnight, broadcaster NTV reported, citing a decision by the High Council of Judges and Prosectors (HSYK).
Five members of HSYK, Turkey's highest judiciary board, were also removed, state-run Anadolu Agency reported.
URGENT: Turkey's President Has Emerged At Istanbul's Airport.
WATCH LIVE: http://breaking911.com/gunfire-heard-in-turkish-capital-helicopters-military-jets-overhead/
9:05 PM - 15 Jul 2016
BREAKING: President Erdogan emerges from vehicle at Istanbul's airport, welcomed by large crowd of civilians
9:06 PM - 15 Jul 2016
Turkeys Erdogan always feared a coup. He was proved right. http://wapo.st/29JzqKA
9:09 PM - 15 Jul 2016
Before the Internet we wouldn't know about this until the following day
Quote:
No one knows shit.
Before the Internet we wouldn't know about this until the following day
Right, but at least there would be a viable story.
For those of you wondering about @CNNTurk, it launched in 1999 it's operated by local journalists in Turkey they license the CNN name.
9:18 PM - 15 Jul 2016
BREAKING: President Erdogan says those responsible for coup will pay; says it is a reason to clean up army.
So what does Obama do when Erdogan demands that he kick Gulen out of the US?
9:20 PM - 15 Jul 2016
The Int'l Spectator @intlspectator
BREAKING: Erdogan says traitors in military are taking orders from Pennsylvania, where opposition leader Gulen is based
9:24 PM - 15 Jul 2016
Erdoğan: "This event (coup) is the grace of God. We will cleanse traitors from within TSK." https://twitter.com/sahmetsahmet/status/754123510944071681
9:26 PM - 15 Jul 2016
These appear to be pro-coup soldiers being led away by pro-government police
9:38 PM - 15 Jul 2016
Erdogan says over 40 yrs Gulenists infiltrated armed forces, police & other institutions, are a threat to national unity, caused coup, @ntv
9:42 PM - 15 Jul 2016
Ergoden using fake coup to consolidate power?
Ergoden using fake coup to consolidate power?
Wouldn't surprise me. Erdogan is one slimy, sneaky bastard.
More than 130 people detained in relation to coup attempt: Turkish PM.
Turkey - ( New Window )
Erdoğan: "This event (coup) is the grace of God. We will cleanse traitors from within TSK." https://twitter.com/sahmetsahmet/status/754123510944071681
9:26 PM - 15 Jul 2016
A purge then
Link - ( New Window )
This is over way too easy. Like lambs to the slaughter.
This is over way too easy. Like lambs to the slaughter.
They were conscripted soldiers. Many were just following orders from some higher ups and didn't understand what was going on. That's why the coup in Russia failed. Conscripted soldiers do not have it in them to turn the gun on family and friends.
Ergoden using fake coup to consolidate power?
Coincidence?
Coup - ( New Window )
Correct- orchestrated by erdogan who thinks he now emerges with more power and control- guy is a dictator. In this event he wins
Yeah it might be an intelligence failure.
Might be good or bad for PKK. They have staying power and military morale is not going to go higher.
But Iraq and Iran remain unable to show they are stable enough to draw external capital and both remain without a way to get their oil out of the ground efficiently at anywhere near a clearing price nor transported nor their reserves risk adjusted attractive enough to draw investment capital.
That all hurts the East and Russia.
Eurasia is not a fun place this century ( for further insight see kickers chart on the other thread).
"Under the new law, most of the 711 judges at two of the highest courts - the Council of State, which hears cases lodged by citizens against the government, and the Supreme Court of Appeals - will be removed. It is not clear how many of them will be reappointed.
There will be fewer judges and new appointments will be carried out by the High Council of Judges and Prosecutors (HSYK), which oversees judicial appointments and falls under the control of the Justice Ministry.
Erdogan will also be able to appoint a quarter of the judges at the Council of State, allowing him to stack one of the country's most important legal bodies with his allies."
Link - ( New Window )
He made a really interesting point. Erdogan purged the top level of the military (multi-star generals) so that the people left are loyalists. He's been in power for 14 years meaning that everyone from Majors on down are in the Erdogan camp. So there was just this little slice left in the Colonel to Brigadier general range who are not naturally Ergodan's loyalists. Rubin said that basically it was now or never for this group, as their numbers and power were going to dwindle thru the up and out process.
Link - ( New Window )
Five members of HSYK, Turkey's highest judiciary board, were also removed, state-run Anadolu Agency reported.