When a white cop shoots a black criminal...it turns out to be a justified shooting. A split second decision at worst. Most normal human beings understand this.
Instead of focusing on why so many young black men have these interactions with police and have lengthy criminal records, some falsely want to believe it is just a bunch of racist cops out there picking on black people...And that is where BLM loses most peoples attention.
Instead this false narrative has brought upon violence against cops. Who would want that job...seriously..
It happens more than you realize ... the issue is a lot of times there are no witnesses and no video.
Look people want to pretend the racist nature and mentality country is far and removed but that is far from true. http://www.ushistory.org/more/timeline.htm
My father not grandfather or great grand father ... My father could not eat at certain places ... use certain water fountains.
Are all cops racist? No. However more are then a lot of people are willing to admit. Also the system is still very much racist. As noted above about the example given about the Jewish riot.
We should forget about slavery but remember the Holocaust...Remember 9/11 but pretend the terrorist attack on Black Wall Street never happened. http://www.blackwallstreet.freeservers.com/The%20Story.htm
Beyond that, the atrocity in Tulsa happened 95 years ago. Yes, it was an atrocity, but fortunately we've come far enough so that would never take place today. And it wasn't forgotten. At least when I was in college (yes, later than 1921) it was included in a 20th century American History course I took. And as bad as it was, the death toll was a small fraction of the 6 million that the Holocaust took.
Finally, Steve King made a statement that was even more ignorant than it was racist. Yet he represents whites no more than Cynthia McKinney did blacks when she said Bush was in on 911.
I think I know you well enough to know that you aren't suggesting that anything under 6mill deaths is an acceptable number. Yet, I'm not sure what else that paragraph could mean.
I think I know you well enough to know that you aren't suggesting that anything under 6mill deaths is an acceptable number. Yet, I'm not sure what else that paragraph could mean.
Totally unacceptable, but a death toll in the hundreds is on a completely different scale than 6 million.
How you totally ignored the FACT that I linked the holocaust to slavery in comparison .... and then came with we moved so far that it will never happen again ...
I guess like the police brutality during the 1st wave of the jim crow laws?
Because if you are not really paying attention this is the beginning of the 2nd wave.
Its a media driven crapfest. 2x more whites have been killed by cops then blacks. If it was about race the numbers would tell a different story. And almost every time the killing was justified or at minimum a split second decision. Thanks goodness for stats and not fairy tales
As you would suspect. When blacks commit less violent crime and have less encounters with police, fewer will be killed by police. And just the same. If whites commit less violent crime, they will see the same happen.
Its a media driven crapfest. 2x more whites have been killed by cops then blacks. If it was about race the numbers would tell a different story. And almost every time the killing was justified or at minimum a split second decision. Thanks goodness for stats and not fairy tales
That may be true, but why are unarmed black men killed at 5x the rate as unarmed white men?
How you totally ignored the FACT that I linked the holocaust to slavery in comparison .... and then came with we moved so far that it will never happen again ...
I guess like the police brutality during the 1st wave of the jim crow laws?
Because if you are not really paying attention this is the beginning of the 2nd wave.
Oh, over the centuries the slave trade could clearly be classified as a holocaust. However, everybody got into that act, not just whites. And it will never happen again (IMHO, if you like). What's different about the Holocaust is that a) It happened more recently and b) It happened predominantly in a 5 year period. No five years in the slave trade could match 1941-45.
Also interesting is your failure to acknowledge my link.
As far as a purported second wave I don't see it. Not that I see everything being peachy keen either. But that's just as much a prediction of the future as your comment. We'll see who's right.
BLM is not anti-police they are anti-illegal killings by the police.
I don't see how you can reconcile that statement with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNxoeqf0Ws
It's pretty easy to reconcile that statement when you consider that the vast majority of BLM protestors aren't chanting things like that. I wouldn't look at one video on YouTube and assume that this is what the movement is about.
so you are saying 400+ yrs of slaves then decades of systematic racism that ALLOWED people to be murdered pales in comparison ... and mind you the 1940s - 1960s where after the holocaust you know when we were still be lynched and NO one was punished for it.
Then you have the 70s & 80s were let where the govt decided to use drugs to destroy the community.
SMH ... The holocuast was more recent.
When was it Jewish people where killed for knowing how to read? Stripped of religion language culture etc?
How you totally ignored the FACT that I linked the holocaust to slavery in comparison .... and then came with we moved so far that it will never happen again ...
I guess like the police brutality during the 1st wave of the jim crow laws?
Because if you are not really paying attention this is the beginning of the 2nd wave.
The second wave of what? Jim Crow? What the hell are you babbling about?
Are not EQUALLY applied! How the JUDICIAL SYSTEM handles cases of the same nature and level are not equal for blacks/hispanics as it is for whites. The 2nd wave is beginning.
RE: The problem is that most of the times, the vast vast majority Â
My post was directed at PA Giants fan, who unknowingly posted a link to an article that debunks his entire arguement on this thread - which is that black men aren't killed at a higher rate than white men.
I was suggesting he do the math.
Gotcha MO, I responded while I was in the middle of a couple things Â
I'm sure if police officers said "please" and "thank you" while shoving a plunger up someone's anus or killing an unarmed man, it would solve a lot of these issues. Politeness goes a long way.
RE: RE: The problem is that most of the times, the vast vast majority Â
who uses circular logic and leans on confirmation bias to 'prove' a point. He's not worth engaging at all. Eric and the mods should be embarrassed for allowing this clown to post on here for years. I would wager to bet that this type of shit drove off good posters like GMANinDC.
I'm sure if police officers said "please" and "thank you" while shoving a plunger up someone's anus or killing an unarmed man, it would solve a lot of these issues. Politeness goes a long way.
And it might have knocked a year or two off Volpe's 30 year sentence without the possibility of parole.
I'm sure if police officers said "please" and "thank you" while shoving a plunger up someone's anus or killing an unarmed man, it would solve a lot of these issues. Politeness goes a long way.
And it might have knocked a year or two off Volpe's 30 year sentence without the possibility of parole.
And to think, they successfully prosecuted Volpe despite the blue wall of silence. Or is that a myth?
You guys can't crack me up and let your emotion manipulate logic Â
Whites are killed by police 2:1. If you had basic reading skills you would stop pretending the real issue is racism by cops
"According to the Guardian’s tally, of the approximately 1001 people killed by police this year in America, 502 were white, 250 were black, 163 were Hispanic/Latino, 18 were Asian/Pacific Islander, 13 were American Indian, and 54 were other/unknown."
Now tell me what % of homicides are done by blacks?
It is simple. Blacks have more interactions with Police per capita then whites. Vastly so.
If you commit more crime, you will have more negative interactions with police. Its simple and not some racist cop thing. You should really be asking yourself why you want to believe against the statistics.
I see nothing wrong with peaceful protests against unfair treatment by police. This is America not China. I also believe BLM has a responsibility to emphasize nonviolence as many are.
and the whole thing falls apart and loses the average persons interest.
If you commit half of the homicides. Or now about 1/3.
Lets look at 2013 for example
" In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent."
Now what % by race would you expect to have violent interactions with the police just based off of those numbers? Its freaking basic simple shit. What is scary is that there is no solution based on your beliefs. Except to leave the areas and no longer patrol violent neighborhoods.
Real solutions involve poverty, drugs and drug laws, education, criminal just system etc...But you guys are focused on a bogeyman of racist cops
I see nothing wrong with peaceful protests against unfair treatment by police. This is America not China. I also believe BLM has a responsibility to emphasize nonviolence as many are.
When have I advocated for or suggested a ban on peaceful protest? They can even say "pigs in a blanket, fry'em like bacon." That just makes them anti-cop, and not just cops who violate the law.
and the whole thing falls apart and loses the average persons interest.
If you commit half of the homicides. Or now about 1/3.
Lets look at 2013 for example
" In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent."
Now what % by race would you expect to have violent interactions with the police just based off of those numbers? Its freaking basic simple shit. What is scary is that there is no solution based on your beliefs. Except to leave the areas and no longer patrol violent neighborhoods.
Real solutions involve poverty, drugs and drug laws, education, criminal just system etc...But you guys are focused on a bogeyman of racist cops
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. You cite statistics yet refuse to delve that extra bit deeper because it'll invalidate your narrative.
Well, I refuse to do the math for you, since it'll likely either be ignored or brushed away with gobbley good like "they should be more polite".
I'll refrain from engaging you further on the topic.
I showed you the math. Its simple. Those with more negative interactions with police have more negative interactions with police. Its pretty freaking simple
It is not because of racist cops. It is because of how and where people smoke pot, buy pot, sell pot and access to the criminal justice system and a proper defense. Blacks get a record. Whites hire a lawyer who makes it go away if they behave themselves....
I showed you the math. Its simple. Those with more negative interactions with police have more negative interactions with police. Its pretty freaking simple
It isnt, really. A black man is five times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a white man. Virtually every law enforcement agency in the country recognizes this and it isn't a matter of just more interactions.
The difficult part if figuring out what to do about it. But willfully burying your head in the sand and the obstinacy and intellectual gymnastics involved to argue that it isn't a reality - while submitting statistics that disprove your very argument is puzzling.
You didn't provide math. You provided statistics. And statistics don't tell the whole story unless you understand the methodology and other variables at play - which you aren't interested in debating.
when you find data from the FBI and census are lacking. Please provide more BS from that link that just obfuscates the numbers, and doesn't parse the difference between unarmed killings involving police and murders in general.
are all victims of people saying Black Live DO NOT Matter.
As I said "I feared for my life" is the it is ok calling card.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW5rXN9c67M
Instead of focusing on why so many young black men have these interactions with police and have lengthy criminal records, some falsely want to believe it is just a bunch of racist cops out there picking on black people...And that is where BLM loses most peoples attention.
Instead this false narrative has brought upon violence against cops. Who would want that job...seriously..
It happens more than you realize ... the issue is a lot of times there are no witnesses and no video.
Look people want to pretend the racist nature and mentality country is far and removed but that is far from true. http://www.ushistory.org/more/timeline.htm
My father not grandfather or great grand father ... My father could not eat at certain places ... use certain water fountains.
Are all cops racist? No. However more are then a lot of people are willing to admit. Also the system is still very much racist. As noted above about the example given about the Jewish riot.
We should forget about slavery but remember the Holocaust...Remember 9/11 but pretend the terrorist attack on Black Wall Street never happened. http://www.blackwallstreet.freeservers.com/The%20Story.htm
BLM is not anti-police they are anti-illegal killings by the police.
I don't see how you can reconcile that statement with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNxoeqf0Ws
Beyond that, the atrocity in Tulsa happened 95 years ago. Yes, it was an atrocity, but fortunately we've come far enough so that would never take place today. And it wasn't forgotten. At least when I was in college (yes, later than 1921) it was included in a 20th century American History course I took. And as bad as it was, the death toll was a small fraction of the 6 million that the Holocaust took.
Finally, Steve King made a statement that was even more ignorant than it was racist. Yet he represents whites no more than Cynthia McKinney did blacks when she said Bush was in on 911.
Totally unacceptable, but a death toll in the hundreds is on a completely different scale than 6 million.
I guess like the police brutality during the 1st wave of the jim crow laws?
Because if you are not really paying attention this is the beginning of the 2nd wave.
That may be true, but why are unarmed black men killed at 5x the rate as unarmed white men?
I guess like the police brutality during the 1st wave of the jim crow laws?
Because if you are not really paying attention this is the beginning of the 2nd wave.
Oh, over the centuries the slave trade could clearly be classified as a holocaust. However, everybody got into that act, not just whites. And it will never happen again (IMHO, if you like). What's different about the Holocaust is that a) It happened more recently and b) It happened predominantly in a 5 year period. No five years in the slave trade could match 1941-45.
Also interesting is your failure to acknowledge my link.
As far as a purported second wave I don't see it. Not that I see everything being peachy keen either. But that's just as much a prediction of the future as your comment. We'll see who's right.
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BLM is not anti-police they are anti-illegal killings by the police.
I don't see how you can reconcile that statement with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNxoeqf0Ws
It's pretty easy to reconcile that statement when you consider that the vast majority of BLM protestors aren't chanting things like that. I wouldn't look at one video on YouTube and assume that this is what the movement is about.
Link - ( New Window )
How about a more reputable news source?
The Guardian has numbers for all of 2015 and 2016 so far - ( New Window )
Then you have the 70s & 80s were let where the govt decided to use drugs to destroy the community.
SMH ... The holocuast was more recent.
When was it Jewish people where killed for knowing how to read? Stripped of religion language culture etc?
I guess like the police brutality during the 1st wave of the jim crow laws?
Because if you are not really paying attention this is the beginning of the 2nd wave.
The second wave of what? Jim Crow? What the hell are you babbling about?
You do realize that your own link doesn't even support your own narrative on this thread?
Try running the math and you'll arrive to where we are.
https://www.facebook.com/SteveHarveytv/videos/1174405859284049/
50 to 60 cases (that is 1 single officer) .... but yea we have come soooo far ....
Stand your ground laws
Are not EQUALLY applied! How the JUDICIAL SYSTEM handles cases of the same nature and level are not equal for blacks/hispanics as it is for whites. The 2nd wave is beginning.
Instead this false narrative has brought upon violence against cops. WHo would want that job...seriously..
I don't believe BLM played much of a role in either shooting. The Baton Rogue shooter didn't support BLM, he was a lunatic who wanted to see violence.
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That stat is nonsense. Here are numbers for 2015 in link below Link - ( New Window )
You do realize that your own link doesn't even support your own narrative on this thread?
Try running the math and you'll arrive to where we are.
I never provided a link, but the data I shared is aggregated from the Census, and FBI crime reports. But I guess the information isn't 'good enough'.
I was suggesting he do the math.
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Instead this false narrative has brought upon violence against cops. WHo would want that job...seriously..
I don't believe BLM played much of a role in either shooting. The Baton Rogue shooter didn't support BLM, he was a lunatic who wanted to see violence.
There's a difference between saying BLM is anti-cop and saying they were involved in the Baton Rouge killings
And it might have knocked a year or two off Volpe's 30 year sentence without the possibility of parole.
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I'm sure if police officers said "please" and "thank you" while shoving a plunger up someone's anus or killing an unarmed man, it would solve a lot of these issues. Politeness goes a long way.
And it might have knocked a year or two off Volpe's 30 year sentence without the possibility of parole.
And to think, they successfully prosecuted Volpe despite the blue wall of silence. Or is that a myth?
Whites are killed by police 2:1. If you had basic reading skills you would stop pretending the real issue is racism by cops
"According to the Guardian’s tally, of the approximately 1001 people killed by police this year in America, 502 were white, 250 were black, 163 were Hispanic/Latino, 18 were Asian/Pacific Islander, 13 were American Indian, and 54 were other/unknown."
Now tell me what % of homicides are done by blacks?
It is simple. Blacks have more interactions with Police per capita then whites. Vastly so.
If you commit more crime, you will have more negative interactions with police. Its simple and not some racist cop thing. You should really be asking yourself why you want to believe against the statistics.
If you commit half of the homicides. Or now about 1/3.
Lets look at 2013 for example
" In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent."
Now what % by race would you expect to have violent interactions with the police just based off of those numbers? Its freaking basic simple shit. What is scary is that there is no solution based on your beliefs. Except to leave the areas and no longer patrol violent neighborhoods.
Real solutions involve poverty, drugs and drug laws, education, criminal just system etc...But you guys are focused on a bogeyman of racist cops
When have I advocated for or suggested a ban on peaceful protest? They can even say "pigs in a blanket, fry'em like bacon." That just makes them anti-cop, and not just cops who violate the law.
If you commit half of the homicides. Or now about 1/3.
Lets look at 2013 for example
" In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent."
Now what % by race would you expect to have violent interactions with the police just based off of those numbers? Its freaking basic simple shit. What is scary is that there is no solution based on your beliefs. Except to leave the areas and no longer patrol violent neighborhoods.
Real solutions involve poverty, drugs and drug laws, education, criminal just system etc...But you guys are focused on a bogeyman of racist cops
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. You cite statistics yet refuse to delve that extra bit deeper because it'll invalidate your narrative.
Well, I refuse to do the math for you, since it'll likely either be ignored or brushed away with gobbley good like "they should be more polite".
I'll refrain from engaging you further on the topic.
Research shows blacks and whites smoke pot at roughly the same rate. Why are blacks 5 times more likely to be incarcerated for pot?
It isnt, really. A black man is five times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a white man. Virtually every law enforcement agency in the country recognizes this and it isn't a matter of just more interactions.
The difficult part if figuring out what to do about it. But willfully burying your head in the sand and the obstinacy and intellectual gymnastics involved to argue that it isn't a reality - while submitting statistics that disprove your very argument is puzzling.
You didn't provide math. You provided statistics. And statistics don't tell the whole story unless you understand the methodology and other variables at play - which you aren't interested in debating.
Have a good one.
Research shows blacks and whites smoke pot at roughly the same rate. Why are blacks 5 times more likely to be incarcerated for pot?
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Here's a simple question.
Research shows blacks and whites smoke pot at roughly the same rate. Why are blacks 5 times more likely to be incarcerated for pot?
More involved in pot as an entrepreneurial activity?
Why don't you try posting actual data, instead of pulling something out of your ass and throwing it up against the wall hoping something sticks?
Eh, I get from both. I'm not predigest like that.