Very sad, the country is in deep trouble. The only thing that keeps us from total chaos are the Police. For an animal to do something like this, it takes a level of evil like no other.
It's probably going to continue and may even increase. Anger, discord and violence, stoked by an agenda of hate and divisiveness. It's not the way to sow peace.
It's probably going to continue and may even increase. Anger, discord and violence, stoked by an agenda of hate and divisiveness. It's not the way to sow peace.
Agreed. Going to be a long, hot summer reminiscent of the 60s and 70s.
Just mentioned that a pawn shop was broken into and gas were stolen. When I first heard the comment I was like you wtf could of happen on Tuesday to cause this.
I think it was last Tuesday and Wednesday when the
In the streets of Cleveland this week. 5,000 officers and god knows how many protestors stirring shit up in this climate.
This is terrible.
For most accounts the protests have been peaceful. Obviously you had the loan gunman in Dallas, but I know someone who protested in Atlanta and said it was very peaceful. Allot of people interviewed in Dallas said it was peaceful until the shooter started sniping.
RE: RE: I think it was last Tuesday and Wednesday when the
In the streets of Cleveland this week. 5,000 officers and god knows how many protestors stirring shit up in this climate.
This is terrible.
For most accounts the protests have been peaceful. Obviously you had the loan gunman in Dallas, but I know someone who protested in Atlanta and said it was very peaceful. Allot of people interviewed in Dallas said it was peaceful until the shooter started sniping.
The Atlanta protests were peaceful during the day, but got a little rowdy at night with protestors trying to shut down the connector (the highway that runs through most of Atlanta).
My husband was in Chicago and saw a demonstration where they were chanting about dead cops, while being protected by cops of course.
It's probably going to continue and may even increase. Anger, discord and violence, stoked by an agenda of hate and divisiveness. It's not the way to sow peace.
It's probably going to continue and may even increase. Anger, discord and violence, stoked by an agenda of hate and divisiveness. It's not the way to sow peace.
2 incidents are awful but I'm not as pessimistic. Many protestors are speaking about peace and nonviolence.
It's probably going to continue and may even increase. Anger, discord and violence, stoked by an agenda of hate and divisiveness. It's not the way to sow peace.
2 incidents are awful but I'm not as pessimistic. Many protestors are speaking about peace and nonviolence.
I'm not basing my comments on the protestors. I agree they're likely to remain non-violent. I'm talking about a summer of hate pitting races again each other and law enforcement in the cross-hairs.
It's probably going to continue and may even increase. Anger, discord and violence, stoked by an agenda of hate and divisiveness. It's not the way to sow peace.
2 incidents are awful but I'm not as pessimistic. Many protestors are speaking about peace and nonviolence.
It's probably going to continue and may even increase. Anger, discord and violence, stoked by an agenda of hate and divisiveness. It's not the way to sow peace.
2 incidents are awful but I'm not as pessimistic. Many protestors are speaking about peace and nonviolence.
I'm not basing my comments on the protestors. I agree they're likely to remain non-violent. I'm talking about a summer of hate pitting races again each other and law enforcement in the cross-hairs.
There are many nuts out there and that's a cause for concern but there's also a significant movement for peaceful demonstrations. I hope they prevail. I believe the long term consequence will be this crap makes it all the harder to recruit quality people in LE.
It's probably going to continue and may even increase. Anger, discord and violence, stoked by an agenda of hate and divisiveness. It's not the way to sow peace.
2 incidents are awful but I'm not as pessimistic. Many protestors are speaking about peace and nonviolence.
I'm not basing my comments on the protestors. I agree they're likely to remain non-violent. I'm talking about a summer of hate pitting races again each other and law enforcement in the cross-hairs.
There are many nuts out there and that's a cause for concern but there's also a significant movement for peaceful demonstrations. I hope they prevail. I believe the long term consequence will be this crap makes it all the harder to recruit quality people in LE.
Maybe the protesters need to find another way to demonstrate? How many peaceful demonstrations makes this ok? 15? 20? The cost is way too rich for my blood
In the streets of Cleveland this week. 5,000 officers and god knows how many protestors stirring shit up in this climate.
This is terrible.
For most accounts the protests have been peaceful. Obviously you had the loan gunman in Dallas, but I know someone who protested in Atlanta and said it was very peaceful. Allot of people interviewed in Dallas said it was peaceful until the shooter started sniping.
Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily restrict the state's open carry gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others. [...]
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested." Link - ( New Window )
The Associated Press @AP 2m2 minutes ago
BREAKING: Police spokesman says 2 "persons of interest" in the killing of 3 police officers have been detained near Baton Rouge.
The Associated Press @AP 3m3 minutes ago
BREAKING: Louisiana police say suspect killed in Baton Rouge was sole shooter, but they are "not ready to say" he acted alone.
In the streets of Cleveland this week. 5,000 officers and god knows how many protestors stirring shit up in this climate.
This is terrible.
For most accounts the protests have been peaceful. Obviously you had the loan gunman in Dallas, but I know someone who protested in Atlanta and said it was very peaceful. Allot of people interviewed in Dallas said it was peaceful until the shooter started sniping.
The Atlanta protests were peaceful during the day, but got a little rowdy at night with protestors trying to shut down the connector (the highway that runs through most of Atlanta).
My husband was in Chicago and saw a demonstration where they were chanting about dead cops, while being protected by cops of course.
How were the protestors being "protected" by the cops? Why would a group of several thousand people, a lot of them young men, need protection? Who was going to get them?
Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily restrict the state's open carry gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others. [...]
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested." Link - ( New Window )
The convention in Cleveland was already going to be an explosive situation due to how polarizing the GOP nominee is. But when you add in the fact that this is a particularly combustible point in time for the country with the events that have occurred over the last couple weeks, you can only hope that Ohio and the city will be as prepared as they possibly can to prevent any deadly incidents.
Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily restrict the state's open carry gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others. [...]
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested." Link - ( New Window )
You do realize that Ohio has no laws regulating open carry. None for or against. Hunters returning from a hunting trip can have a gun in their gun rack in the rear window of their pickup.
Did the head of the police union also say that BLM can't demonstrate in the state so as not to create a disturbance?
Double edged sword.
Going to be a lot worse before it gets better.
ctc - Groups wishing to protest had to file for permit.
Forget that fact....that the numbers do not justify their position.
Education to both the police and the African American community:
Police: African American believe they are taregted. So please be safe but senitive to their fears. Go the extra mile to be polite.
African americans: do not promote the agenda of some intent on civil war. Police are not targeting you. But their jobs are very difficult and dangerous....kindness and respect leads to much better outcomes. Be accountable to your action
The root cause is economic failings that need to be resolved.....
And before anyone brings up how he may have suffered from PTSD just because he was a prior military who had deployed, this is what he did in the Marines...
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Long served in the U.S. Marine Corps 2005-2010, including a deployment to Iraq, officials said.
Long was a sergeant and a data network specialist, a Marines spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. His awards included the Iraq Campaign Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal.
He deployed to Iraq for seven months in June 2008, and spent most of his career assigned to Marine locations in Southern California.
In the latest installment of Long's podcast, "Convos With Cosmo," he talked about not backing down from a fight or argument. He discussed his time as a Marine in San Diego and an incident where he got into a dispute with his superiors and "did not back down." For this reason, he said he has been "blacklisted from getting employment since I got out of the Marines.
And before anyone brings up how he may have suffered from PTSD just because he was a prior military who had deployed, this is what he did in the Marines...
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Long served in the U.S. Marine Corps 2005-2010, including a deployment to Iraq, officials said.
Long was a sergeant and a data network specialist, a Marines spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. His awards included the Iraq Campaign Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal.
He deployed to Iraq for seven months in June 2008, and spent most of his career assigned to Marine locations in Southern California.
In the latest installment of Long's podcast, "Convos With Cosmo," he talked about not backing down from a fight or argument. He discussed his time as a Marine in San Diego and an incident where he got into a dispute with his superiors and "did not back down." For this reason, he said he has been "blacklisted from getting employment since I got out of the Marines.
Dude was a raging asshole. Link - ( New Window )
watching his latest video and looking at the websites he owns, he calls himself "alpha" quite a bit
The Associated Press @AP 2m2 minutes ago
BREAKING: Police spokesman says 2 "persons of interest" in the killing of 3 police officers have been detained near Baton Rouge.
he Associated Press @AP 4m4 minutes ago
Latest on police shot-Baton Rouge: Police spokesman says 2 "persons of interests" who were detained are released.
Postpone their protests for a while out of concern and respect for the fallen police officers. Maybe actually wait for the investigations to complete considering they were wrong about the Most notorious supposedly racist murders of Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and now Freddy Gray because they didn't wait for the investigations findings. Most don't even know that the deceased in Minnesota was shot by a Mexican American not a white cop who pulled him over because he looked like an armed robbery suspect from a cpl days earlier.
RE: If BLM is Truly concerned about peace they should
Postpone their protests for a while out of concern and respect for the fallen police officers. Maybe actually wait for the investigations to complete considering they were wrong about the Most notorious supposedly racist murders of Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and now Freddy Gray because they didn't wait for the investigations findings. Most don't even know that the deceased in Minnesota was shot by a Mexican American not a white cop who pulled him over because he looked like an armed robbery suspect from a cpl days earlier.
Would you get of here with that shit? How much longer are you going to continue peddling your agenda - despite taken to the woodshed each and every time by virtually every poster?
You sound like a moron.
RE: RE: If BLM is Truly concerned about peace they should
Postpone their protests for a while out of concern and respect for the fallen police officers. Maybe actually wait for the investigations to complete considering they were wrong about the Most notorious supposedly racist murders of Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and now Freddy Gray because they didn't wait for the investigations findings. Most don't even know that the deceased in Minnesota was shot by a Mexican American not a white cop who pulled him over because he looked like an armed robbery suspect from a cpl days earlier.
Would you get of here with that shit? How much longer are you going to continue peddling your agenda - despite taken to the woodshed each and every time by virtually every poster?
You sound like a moron.
I guess the PBA shouldn't expect a donation from you this year. Since your post was devoid of any facts or sane commentary let me educate you on. A few misconceptions the media pedaled to create this mess:
Mike brown- hands up don't shoot never happened, the entire premise BLM was built on was lie that even Obamas DOJ agreed according to the evidence. Brown was a strong armed robber who attacked a police officer.
Trayvon Martin was not a 12 year old boy killed by a white guy. A Hispanic goy shot a 17 year old 6ft 170 pound young man who according to the evidence in the trial attacked and was bashing the Hispanics head onto concrete. Jury ruled the Hispanic guy acted in self defense.
Freddie Gray - a black judge has acquitted every cop so far even the driver of the van and said there has been no evidence that the cops acted improperly.
You are the type that gets these threads deleted because you can't handle an opposing opinion because it makes you mad and you can't find your safe space so you lash out without any facts and just name call because that's all you have.
RE: RE: RE: If BLM is Truly concerned about peace they should
Postpone their protests for a while out of concern and respect for the fallen police officers. Maybe actually wait for the investigations to complete considering they were wrong about the Most notorious supposedly racist murders of Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and now Freddy Gray because they didn't wait for the investigations findings. Most don't even know that the deceased in Minnesota was shot by a Mexican American not a white cop who pulled him over because he looked like an armed robbery suspect from a cpl days earlier.
Would you get of here with that shit? How much longer are you going to continue peddling your agenda - despite taken to the woodshed each and every time by virtually every poster?
You sound like a moron.
I guess the PBA shouldn't expect a donation from you this year. Since your post was devoid of any facts or sane commentary let me educate you on. A few misconceptions the media pedaled to create this mess:
Mike brown- hands up don't shoot never happened, the entire premise BLM was built on was lie that even Obamas DOJ agreed according to the evidence. Brown was a strong armed robber who attacked a police officer.
Trayvon Martin was not a 12 year old boy killed by a white guy. A Hispanic goy shot a 17 year old 6ft 170 pound young man who according to the evidence in the trial attacked and was bashing the Hispanics head onto concrete. Jury ruled the Hispanic guy acted in self defense.
Freddie Gray - a black judge has acquitted every cop so far even the driver of the van and said there has been no evidence that the cops acted improperly.
You are the type that gets these threads deleted because you can't handle an opposing opinion because it makes you mad and you can't find your safe space so you lash out without any facts and just name call because that's all you have.
A lot of assumptions and thinly veiled anger.
The fact that you continue to hone in on the race of all participants in these events makes it pretty clear why you continue to miss the point.
Does pointing out that Zimmerman is Hispanic and, not white, change the fact that a grown man stalked and murdered a kid? A grown man that was specifically told not to engage by dispatch and did it anyway. A grown man that has since been the source of several violent incidents? That he was acquitted does not mean he's guilt free. But this has been discussed at length with here in the past and yet you continue to champion the cause. Shame on you.
The race of the participants is irrelevant. The problem is a schism between LEO and the communities in which they serve caused by an inordinate amount of shooting deaths. It's a complex subject that's partially due to race relations, sure, but more importantly to how we choose to police our communities and whether there is impartial, independent oversight in cases that invlove a discharged firearm. It's a legitimate concern. Not sure how anyone can argue that police officers investigating other police officers a) ensures transparency b) demands accountability c) engages the community in a way that that fosters an understanding of what and who is doing what and why.
Are you honestly trying to tell me that LEO haven't made terrible mistakes in the application of force? I can offer a list independent of the ones you cherry picked which any reasonable citizen would find repugnant. And that's only involving NYPD. That list is far longer if we include other parts of the country.
In the interest of disclosure, I have two police officers in the family. Best friend works in undercover narcotics and while I've never been a cop, I have worked in the city and state legislatures as a staffer, and worked specifically on this very issue. Oh, and Im a registered R.
So I'm not quite sure what the fuck you're getting at with your PBA and safe spaces comment, other than to be totally dismissive of opposing viewpoints.
Lastly, I continue to be surprised, and find it quite ironic how some on my side of the aisle love to champion police officers, tell us how difficult and dangerous their jobs are (indeed they are), take any criticism of LE as a personal affront, and yet unabashedly refuse to acknowledge how much more difficult the job is made by the proliferation of firearms and our inability to do anything about it.
The problem is that cops are now getting killed rather indiscriminately. And this was very predictable. Look at some of my previous posts.
If you want solve the problem of innocent cops getting killed, you need to evolve your thought processes. None of the cop killers are ever going to agree with you about those prior events. So hanging on to this self-declared righteousness (whether correct or not), ain't going to do anything to stop the killings. Ask yourself do you want to be "right" or create peace? Right now those two are not compatible.
Why the heck is Zimmerman incident always seem to be mentioned and lumped together with police involved shooting incidents. That idiot was as much a cop as I am an NFL LB(even for the Giants
An Harvard Economist did a study on the use of force and seems to dispel the notion of the disproportionate use of lethal force. Disproportionate use of Force yes but not Lethal Force.
If you want to make a police officer's job easier let's get rid of the 4th, 5th , 6th amendments also. Cops signed up to uphold all the amendments no matter how difficult and dangerous it may be.
The way and style the media rushes to report incidents seems to me to help foster the feeling of injustice and outrage.
just so much hate in the air. it's not as bad as the late 60s and won't get to that level. but it's to the point where you just want to avoid crowds at all costs.
Cleveland is going to be potentially extraordinarily dangerous
So many factors
Police union
GOP candidate
The amount of media buzz
The trend in targeting police
The fact that some police there fit the bill for being a part of the existing problem.
A former coworker of mine is part of a police pipe band and they travel all over competing in events and playing in parades. His stories from Cleveland made it sound as if the large group of cops he hung out with over the 3 days were no better than low level criminals - parking on people's (who they didn't know) lawns to go to the bar in cop cars, showing off by pulling people over, blowing red lights by turning on the sirens, using their work vehicles to tour people around, drugs, driving drunk, hanging out with questionable characters, etc... I'd assume there is some serious animosity in parts of Cleveland.
This morning? I would be in hiding after the beat down he received from David clarke last night.
Oh my god, Don Lemon was getting pummeled with logic and facts so he had to tap out and go to a break. He was getting killed by the Sheriff so he had to resort to trying to talk down to him and pretend the sheriff was off topic. Shocked CNN (BLM Cheer leading network) had him on. Probably will be the last time.
When you compare it to the summer of '68, is that the amount of weapons on both sides have increased 100 fold....someone throws a bottle and world war III could begin.
So many factors
Police union
GOP candidate
The amount of media buzz
The trend in targeting police
The fact that some police there fit the bill for being a part of the existing problem.
A former coworker of mine is part of a police pipe band and they travel all over competing in events and playing in parades. His stories from Cleveland made it sound as if the large group of cops he hung out with over the 3 days were no better than low level criminals - parking on people's (who they didn't know) lawns to go to the bar in cop cars, showing off by pulling people over, blowing red lights by turning on the sirens, using their work vehicles to tour people around, drugs, driving drunk, hanging out with questionable characters, etc... I'd assume there is some serious animosity in parts of Cleveland.
There are bad cops everywhere, there are also good officers, and unfortunately the QA on hiring police is not to the standard it should be. The major issue with getting some head way on the issue is "good" cops need to let go of the don't snitch policy! A lot of people do not want to realize the police is very similar to a gang in that way. The 12 officers in NY that are trying to take a stand need more "good" officers to join their ranks. As well as the federal govt. putting a law in place that ANY time an officer fires his gun whether a kill is made or not needs to be investigated by the federal govt. No way are local DAs going to prosecute their own officers. Next there needs to be community policing. Officers need to live in the communities they serve. They need to live with the people not just OVERSEE them! The communities need the officers to care and see them as people and vice versa. As it stands now their fear and distrust from both sides is a cancer that is eating away at freedom, justice and the civil liberties of all people. Now the issue at the forefront is minorities are hit hardest. Which is truth but the bigger truth is the poor is hit the hardest. The media just sells more if it is turned into a racial issue, which is a big part but not the only part. As I have said before this is what made MLK Jr. great is addressed the BS can got all races to see yes there is injustice against minorities and people of color but also against the poor. Money is power and those with the money do not want to give it up. There is a larger issue example schooling in America is failing ... Why? Because jails are the new big business and jobs are being shipped overseas. Why spend money on educating when we can make money on locking them up. Then just send the jobs overseas and pay slave wages no health insurance and get tax breaks.
The powder is keg fuse is burning ... hopefully we the people can come together and put it out.
ANY time a cop fires his/her gun = DOJ investigation?
So when a pit bull mauls a child and gets put down it's going to be a federal investigation? I have 2 questions. Who's going to pay for it? Who is going to sign up to be a cop with that level of risk?
So when a pit bull mauls a child and gets put down it's going to be a federal investigation? I have 2 questions. Who's going to pay for it? Who is going to sign up to be a cop with that level of risk?
1st off what does dogs what to do with this? However the relationship with a person and his dog does not equal DAs and police offers. So that reach is a fail, try again.
We already pay for it with taxes. However we could easily just stop giving life long healthcare to politicians, less spending on weapon development and nuclear missile research, etc etc etc
If the shooting is legal and right what is the issue? Those that would really have fear of this is those that are shooting citizens illegally. However that is a big part of the issue "I feared for my life" is the ok it is a good shoot calling card. A true fact finding open and honest investigation should not be something a person that believes in the system wants to holdup the system should fear. If it does then that means they really should not be a police officer.
RE: RE: ANY time a cop fires his/her gun = DOJ investigation?
1st off what does dogs what to do with this? However the relationship with a person and his dog does not equal DAs and police offers. So that reach is a fail, try again.
You said an investigation EVERY TIME and officer fires his/her weapon. NOT every time there is a human fatality. NOT every time there is a human injury. NOT every time the target is a human being. EVERY TIME. Any failure here is on your part.
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We already pay for it with taxes.
Our taxes don't cover the cost for the extra personel DOJ would need to investigate on that scale.
are firing their guns in the line of duty per year on average?
Less than 1. But there are roughly 900,000 police officers in the US. If 5 in 100 fire their weapons in a year that's 45,000 investigations DOJ is responsible for annually.
Cameras will be on bodies AND guns. So that every time a cop fires his gun, it can be reviewed. Not investigated.
They are professionals, and should be monitored professionally. Lawyers, accountants, doctors all have detailed oversight. When enough of these cases demonstrate responsible use, all of this mistrust will disappear.
but not Federal oversight. We do have the 10th Amendment for a reason. If you worry about impartiality /too cozy DA-Police relationship use a DA from outside the area or maybe the STATE AG not the Feds.
Cameras will be on bodies AND guns. So that every time a cop fires his gun, it can be reviewed. Not investigated.
They are professionals, and should be monitored professionally. Lawyers, accountants, doctors all have detailed oversight. When enough of these cases demonstrate responsible use, all of this mistrust will disappear.
Well as it stands now .... the reviews are not professional due to the investigators having a bias stance.
As for cameras they do help and are needed ... but as you can see ... departments now want to not give access to the footage ... they were defective ... they fell off .... blah blah ... So it still needs to be a separate 3rd party with no skin in the game to handle the reviews. Officers make sure that weapon is A1 ... they should as well with cameras ... but often that is not the case and most do not want them ... There is a reason they prefer to be cloaked.
However my point is the reviews and investigations NEED to be independent.
but not Federal oversight. We do have the 10th Amendment for a reason. If you worry about impartiality /too cozy DA-Police relationship use a DA from outside the area or maybe the STATE AG not the Feds.
Pummeled? Clark is a three sentence act. Basically the black Trump of law enforcement.
Lemon brought up a recent Harvard study to prove his point. When Clarke corrected him about the findings of the study, Lemon said something like "well that study only consisted of a small sample size and many people have discredited it"
Lemon is an idiot.
Just announced: Officer Brian Rice found not guilty
on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
Don't like cameras is not as nefarious as you think. In many departments they can get written up if they are not wearing their hat or in the heat of the moment utter a curse word. Look in today's world they may be necessary but who likes their every little action recorded and subject to review and criticism by someone sitting safely behind a monitor. Do I think that police have to get over it? Yes but for the most part the resistance to cameras has more to do with worrying about Monday Morning Quarter backing then hiding bad behavior
RE: Just announced: Officer Brian Rice found not guilty
on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
RE: RE: Just announced: Officer Brian Rice found not guilty
on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
So according to your comments, you are unhappy that innocent cops were found innocent by our judicial process and happy that riots occurred for reasons that were proven wrong by evidence?? Thats odd.
RE: RE: RE: Just announced: Officer Brian Rice found not guilty
on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
So according to your comments, you are unhappy that innocent cops were found innocent by our judicial process and happy that riots occurred for reasons that were proven wrong by evidence?? Thats odd.
No, according to my comments you are a proven shithead racist.
RE: RE: Just announced: Officer Brian Rice found not guilty
on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
Charges were brought by an African-American prosecutor and the case was decided by an African-American judge. Are you saying the case was decided on the basis of race?
Why not the feds? Beside the 10th amendment and state vs federal powers, it is my belief that MOST matters are best handled at the lowest level of government as possible. Also, Really don't like anything that moves forward the notion of a national police force.
but not Federal oversight. We do have the 10th Amendment for a reason. If you worry about impartiality /too cozy DA-Police relationship use a DA from outside the area or maybe the STATE AG not the Feds.
Lemon brought up a recent Harvard study to prove his point. When Clarke corrected him about the findings of the study, Lemon said something like "well that study only consisted of a small sample size and many people have discredited it"
Lemon is an idiot.
To be fair, the part of the study that says use of catastrophic force doesn't involve implicit bias is based on a small sample of just 1 city (Houston). The part that says most uses of forces do involve implicit bias uses a larger sample.
RE: Just announced: Officer Brian Rice found not guilty
on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
So you and many others understand that BLM is not in existence because of those 2 cases. BLM is in existence because for decades they has been issues and hundreds of cases of police abuse in minority areas. The issues are and have been substantiated in various studies involving various departments. The FBI in 2006 for instance stated that there are many police departments in the U.S. That have been and are being infiltrated by white supremacist.
To write off the feelings and dismiss the issues that BLM raises out of hand as illegitimate because of Mike Brown and Freddy Gray is very shortsighted at best. That kind of attitude will only perpetuate the toxic conditions that exist. For every Mike Browns there are very legit bad crap that have happen to people of color that are not criminals, go look at the Diallo case. Freddy Gray's cops getting off because of a lack of evidence to convict is not the same as saying they did nothing wrong, after all his spine was severed.
Most people of color that I have met are not anti-police. Quite the opposite has been true. What I have often been told is, I don't want a crack head at my door step, I also don't want to be treated like the crack head by the guys I called in to have him removed. Too often cops (black, white, other) are going in with pre-conceive notions. Not too long ago a Police captain in the NYPD got in trouble because he was over heard and quoted by reporters during a riot in Brooklyn by hassidic Jews, that if this was bed stuy or crown heights they would have gotten the OK to crack some heads a while ago. Think about that for a second. A Jewish community is in full scale riot and turning over cars and damaging property but the response if different. Do you really think the AA community if not paying attention to these events.
If you think the BLM movement is just a response to a handful of events and not about systemic issues and problems that exist around law enforcement then you are completely missing the boat on what is bothering a significant portion of Americans.
Forget that fact....that the numbers do not justify their position.
Education to both the police and the African American community:
Police: African American believe they are taregted. So please be safe but senitive to their fears. Go the extra mile to be polite.
African americans: do not promote the agenda of some intent on civil war. Police are not targeting you. But their jobs are very difficult and dangerous....kindness and respect leads to much better outcomes. Be accountable to your action
The root cause is economic failings that need to be resolved.....
This post is very condescending and offensive. DO you really think all black want from the cops is more politeness from cops? That is so dismissive of the issues that people are facing.
To say protest to what is clearly a riot. This is what makes Latinos and AAs question the difference in treatment by the police and how the media portrays racial issues
1) Being innocent within the law doesn't necessarily mean the shootings were an "appropriate" action. I believe some of the standards need to change. As an example, I'm not a big fan of stand your ground laws.
2) I would hope no one would be pleased or pissed at the ruling. It's justice under the law.
3) People have no right to tell another person when they should or shouldn't be offended or angry. Like most here, I have lived life as a middle class white guy. I have no clue what it's like to be an inner city minority.
4) I hope Montrell Jackson's words are repeated over and over and he becomes a symbol that is used to help heal the wounds.
5) Jackson's go fund me account has $63K. Let's hope the officer's families and seeing similar support
1) Being innocent within the law doesn't necessarily mean the shootings were an "appropriate" action. I believe some of the standards need to change. As an example, I'm not a big fan of stand your ground laws.
I assume you're talking about private citizens and not the police.
Do you mean inside one's home or just in public places?
the police get a lot of latitude on using deadly force from a legal perspective. It's tough to meet the standard for criminal behavior. It is too much? Perhaps, in some cases.
Stand your ground goes too far, IMO. I am referring to public space not your home. There have been cases where there were unnecessary shootings in a home but it is sacred space.
Right to defend yourself in your home already protected by
but not Federal oversight. We do have the 10th Amendment for a reason. If you worry about impartiality /too cozy DA-Police relationship use a DA from outside the area or maybe the STATE AG not the Feds.
Why not the feds?
Why not local DAs?
As stated previously local DAs and local police officers work in the same pool ... there is obvious bias.
Hey no one cares until it homes then there is a different perspective.
In order to proceed with perjury charges, we must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Tolbert's testimony on July 13, 2010, was false. There were only three witnesses to the drawing of the sketch in question. Two of them, Davontae Sanford and James Tolbert are unavailable to us. The third person is Sgt. Michael Russell, and his testimony does not support a perjury charge. The bottom line is that there is an important legal distinction between acting on evidence that undermines a conviction, and proving beyond a reasonable doubt that someone has committed perjury,
have no problem prosecuting officers. Even if prosecutors are unbiased, it looks awful as they work hand in hand with the police on a daily basis. They tend to hate special prosecutors, but I think transparency is the right way to go.
The DoJ is different... they have local offices and the DC headquarters. Local offices are much more hesitant to prosecute officers than the DC guys are. There was an article about this very thing (DoJ) in the Times (last week I think?) in regards to the Eric Garner case.
have no problem prosecuting officers. Even if prosecutors are unbiased, it looks awful as they work hand in hand with the police on a daily basis. They tend to hate special prosecutors, but I think transparency is the right way to go.
The DoJ is different... they have local offices and the DC headquarters. Local offices are much more hesitant to prosecute officers than the DC guys are. There was an article about this very thing (DoJ) in the Times (last week I think?) in regards to the Eric Garner case.
I'd say this varies by jurisdiction. The Baltimore DA sure didn't have a problem bringing charges.
should be fucking embarrassed and fired from CNN (even though we all know why he wont be). After being eviscarated by Clarke last night, he tries to rip him after his speech - and all of his fellow commentators are basically dismissing Lemon.
on providing incorrect data and dep thinks he's a loser.
What's the O/U on how many times he mentions Lemon? I think he's up to 20. Lemon is the anti-Eli
hey cunt, you beg eric to let you post your bullshit? this is the 2nd time i brought him up, both times when he embarrassed himself. but cute Eli reference. makes no sense, but that is not surprising with you. now please go fuck yourself kindly. you're obsession with me is scary now.
You're accusing someone of being obsessed? Hahahah Take a deep breath already. I'll return to ignoring you.
when you ignore someone... you sure bring me up a lot. Its cute, much like a high school crush. you did it as soon as you came back last year, and now doing it again.
You know what an obession is? Reading posts from me on one board which you were banned from and posting on an entirely different board about me. Thats some fucked up obsession you have.
Dont know why eric let you back. He should have told you to go fuck yourself like pretty much everyone else does.
yes you fucking moron. You read posts from me on here when you were banned, and posted them on Flounder's board. You know how pathetic that is? Well I am sure you do, you look in the mirror every day.
We all know you know shit about football.
We all know you stir the pot whenever you can.
You have a sick obsession with me (ill be glad to post the threads you made from Flounders board when were BANNED from here.
Seriously, I am starting to feel sorry for you. I am actually surprised you have survived this long here. Must be one hell of a "donation" you gave Eric.
I posted a couple of times there but I have no recollection of that. Moving on........
Want me to bring them up? No problem...
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he should fucking apologize to every one of his fucking players.
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Watching the game alone, doing some work and reading the game thread for comic relief to lessen the misery. What a bunch of fucking morons. Eli gets to the line with 15 seconds, dep claims it's 8 seconds. Accuracy was never Eli"s strength and he's not sharp today either. What's the deal with dep's "analysis" of Eli?
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You're one of the worst football posters on BBI, stick to fantasy?
So your 282 posts is a little bit than time to time. Usually starting threads about me. Those were 3, I could find more, but I guess you get the point. You have fucking issues dude. Going to one site while Banned, and then posting about me on another board. Sad and pathetic.
should be fucking embarrassed and fired from CNN (even though we all know why he wont be). After being eviscarated by Clarke last night, he tries to rip him after his speech - and all of his fellow commentators are basically dismissing Lemon.
What a schmuck.
Clarke and evisceration are irrelevant here. Lemon did no analysis and basically whined about the night before. Totally unprofessional.
and attempt to equal people standing against uncivil unfair and inhumane treatment is somehow racist in nature. Anyone being real and honest can see that their is an negative imbalance treat of blacks by law enforcement. But people taking a stand against it says other lives do not matter...there is no connection nor logic in that. If a person was being honest and real and truly felt ALL lives MATTERED then they would be saying yes all lives matter but there is an serious issue on how blacks are being killed at a rate that makes no sense at the hands of police. Are the cases where non-blacks are unjustly killed by police? Yes. However considering that we are a small portion of the population and most times unarmed and encountered from a bias stance ALL should be appalled and angry. However the rate frequency in which it is happening is no way justifiable! But the reality is there is a large segment are like those "thugs" ie niggers deserve it.
Blacks being killed by the police is a village being razed that needs help against the attacks. Saying well all villages matter ... yes they do however those villages are not being targeted and razed.
BLM is not anti-police they are anti-illegal killings by the police. The well what about black on black crime argument...is like saying to someone trying to get a cure for cancer ... what about the HIV virus?
Interestingly, a higher than average proportion of people with HIV
When a white cop shoots a black criminal...it turns out to be a justified shooting. A split second decision at worst. Most normal human beings understand this.
Instead of focusing on why so many young black men have these interactions with police and have lengthy criminal records, some falsely want to believe it is just a bunch of racist cops out there picking on black people...And that is where BLM loses most peoples attention.
Instead this false narrative has brought upon violence against cops. WHo would want that job...seriously..
When a white cop shoots a black criminal...it turns out to be a justified shooting. A split second decision at worst. Most normal human beings understand this.
Instead of focusing on why so many young black men have these interactions with police and have lengthy criminal records, some falsely want to believe it is just a bunch of racist cops out there picking on black people...And that is where BLM loses most peoples attention.
Instead this false narrative has brought upon violence against cops. Who would want that job...seriously..
It happens more than you realize ... the issue is a lot of times there are no witnesses and no video.
Look people want to pretend the racist nature and mentality country is far and removed but that is far from true. http://www.ushistory.org/more/timeline.htm
My father not grandfather or great grand father ... My father could not eat at certain places ... use certain water fountains.
Are all cops racist? No. However more are then a lot of people are willing to admit. Also the system is still very much racist. As noted above about the example given about the Jewish riot.
We should forget about slavery but remember the Holocaust...Remember 9/11 but pretend the terrorist attack on Black Wall Street never happened. http://www.blackwallstreet.freeservers.com/The%20Story.htm
Beyond that, the atrocity in Tulsa happened 95 years ago. Yes, it was an atrocity, but fortunately we've come far enough so that would never take place today. And it wasn't forgotten. At least when I was in college (yes, later than 1921) it was included in a 20th century American History course I took. And as bad as it was, the death toll was a small fraction of the 6 million that the Holocaust took.
Finally, Steve King made a statement that was even more ignorant than it was racist. Yet he represents whites no more than Cynthia McKinney did blacks when she said Bush was in on 911.
I think I know you well enough to know that you aren't suggesting that anything under 6mill deaths is an acceptable number. Yet, I'm not sure what else that paragraph could mean.
I think I know you well enough to know that you aren't suggesting that anything under 6mill deaths is an acceptable number. Yet, I'm not sure what else that paragraph could mean.
Totally unacceptable, but a death toll in the hundreds is on a completely different scale than 6 million.
How you totally ignored the FACT that I linked the holocaust to slavery in comparison .... and then came with we moved so far that it will never happen again ...
I guess like the police brutality during the 1st wave of the jim crow laws?
Because if you are not really paying attention this is the beginning of the 2nd wave.
Its a media driven crapfest. 2x more whites have been killed by cops then blacks. If it was about race the numbers would tell a different story. And almost every time the killing was justified or at minimum a split second decision. Thanks goodness for stats and not fairy tales
As you would suspect. When blacks commit less violent crime and have less encounters with police, fewer will be killed by police. And just the same. If whites commit less violent crime, they will see the same happen.
Its a media driven crapfest. 2x more whites have been killed by cops then blacks. If it was about race the numbers would tell a different story. And almost every time the killing was justified or at minimum a split second decision. Thanks goodness for stats and not fairy tales
That may be true, but why are unarmed black men killed at 5x the rate as unarmed white men?
How you totally ignored the FACT that I linked the holocaust to slavery in comparison .... and then came with we moved so far that it will never happen again ...
I guess like the police brutality during the 1st wave of the jim crow laws?
Because if you are not really paying attention this is the beginning of the 2nd wave.
Oh, over the centuries the slave trade could clearly be classified as a holocaust. However, everybody got into that act, not just whites. And it will never happen again (IMHO, if you like). What's different about the Holocaust is that a) It happened more recently and b) It happened predominantly in a 5 year period. No five years in the slave trade could match 1941-45.
Also interesting is your failure to acknowledge my link.
As far as a purported second wave I don't see it. Not that I see everything being peachy keen either. But that's just as much a prediction of the future as your comment. We'll see who's right.
BLM is not anti-police they are anti-illegal killings by the police.
I don't see how you can reconcile that statement with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNxoeqf0Ws
It's pretty easy to reconcile that statement when you consider that the vast majority of BLM protestors aren't chanting things like that. I wouldn't look at one video on YouTube and assume that this is what the movement is about.
so you are saying 400+ yrs of slaves then decades of systematic racism that ALLOWED people to be murdered pales in comparison ... and mind you the 1940s - 1960s where after the holocaust you know when we were still be lynched and NO one was punished for it.
Then you have the 70s & 80s were let where the govt decided to use drugs to destroy the community.
SMH ... The holocuast was more recent.
When was it Jewish people where killed for knowing how to read? Stripped of religion language culture etc?
How you totally ignored the FACT that I linked the holocaust to slavery in comparison .... and then came with we moved so far that it will never happen again ...
I guess like the police brutality during the 1st wave of the jim crow laws?
Because if you are not really paying attention this is the beginning of the 2nd wave.
The second wave of what? Jim Crow? What the hell are you babbling about?
Are not EQUALLY applied! How the JUDICIAL SYSTEM handles cases of the same nature and level are not equal for blacks/hispanics as it is for whites. The 2nd wave is beginning.
RE: The problem is that most of the times, the vast vast majority
My post was directed at PA Giants fan, who unknowingly posted a link to an article that debunks his entire arguement on this thread - which is that black men aren't killed at a higher rate than white men.
I was suggesting he do the math.
Gotcha MO, I responded while I was in the middle of a couple things
I'm sure if police officers said "please" and "thank you" while shoving a plunger up someone's anus or killing an unarmed man, it would solve a lot of these issues. Politeness goes a long way.
RE: RE: The problem is that most of the times, the vast vast majority
who uses circular logic and leans on confirmation bias to 'prove' a point. He's not worth engaging at all. Eric and the mods should be embarrassed for allowing this clown to post on here for years. I would wager to bet that this type of shit drove off good posters like GMANinDC.
I'm sure if police officers said "please" and "thank you" while shoving a plunger up someone's anus or killing an unarmed man, it would solve a lot of these issues. Politeness goes a long way.
And it might have knocked a year or two off Volpe's 30 year sentence without the possibility of parole.
I'm sure if police officers said "please" and "thank you" while shoving a plunger up someone's anus or killing an unarmed man, it would solve a lot of these issues. Politeness goes a long way.
And it might have knocked a year or two off Volpe's 30 year sentence without the possibility of parole.
And to think, they successfully prosecuted Volpe despite the blue wall of silence. Or is that a myth?
You guys can't crack me up and let your emotion manipulate logic
Whites are killed by police 2:1. If you had basic reading skills you would stop pretending the real issue is racism by cops
"According to the Guardians tally, of the approximately 1001 people killed by police this year in America, 502 were white, 250 were black, 163 were Hispanic/Latino, 18 were Asian/Pacific Islander, 13 were American Indian, and 54 were other/unknown."
Now tell me what % of homicides are done by blacks?
It is simple. Blacks have more interactions with Police per capita then whites. Vastly so.
If you commit more crime, you will have more negative interactions with police. Its simple and not some racist cop thing. You should really be asking yourself why you want to believe against the statistics.
I see nothing wrong with peaceful protests against unfair treatment by police. This is America not China. I also believe BLM has a responsibility to emphasize nonviolence as many are.
and the whole thing falls apart and loses the average persons interest.
If you commit half of the homicides. Or now about 1/3.
Lets look at 2013 for example
" In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent."
Now what % by race would you expect to have violent interactions with the police just based off of those numbers? Its freaking basic simple shit. What is scary is that there is no solution based on your beliefs. Except to leave the areas and no longer patrol violent neighborhoods.
Real solutions involve poverty, drugs and drug laws, education, criminal just system etc...But you guys are focused on a bogeyman of racist cops
I see nothing wrong with peaceful protests against unfair treatment by police. This is America not China. I also believe BLM has a responsibility to emphasize nonviolence as many are.
When have I advocated for or suggested a ban on peaceful protest? They can even say "pigs in a blanket, fry'em like bacon." That just makes them anti-cop, and not just cops who violate the law.
and the whole thing falls apart and loses the average persons interest.
If you commit half of the homicides. Or now about 1/3.
Lets look at 2013 for example
" In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent."
Now what % by race would you expect to have violent interactions with the police just based off of those numbers? Its freaking basic simple shit. What is scary is that there is no solution based on your beliefs. Except to leave the areas and no longer patrol violent neighborhoods.
Real solutions involve poverty, drugs and drug laws, education, criminal just system etc...But you guys are focused on a bogeyman of racist cops
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. You cite statistics yet refuse to delve that extra bit deeper because it'll invalidate your narrative.
Well, I refuse to do the math for you, since it'll likely either be ignored or brushed away with gobbley good like "they should be more polite".
I'll refrain from engaging you further on the topic.
I showed you the math. Its simple. Those with more negative interactions with police have more negative interactions with police. Its pretty freaking simple
It is not because of racist cops. It is because of how and where people smoke pot, buy pot, sell pot and access to the criminal justice system and a proper defense. Blacks get a record. Whites hire a lawyer who makes it go away if they behave themselves....
I showed you the math. Its simple. Those with more negative interactions with police have more negative interactions with police. Its pretty freaking simple
It isnt, really. A black man is five times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a white man. Virtually every law enforcement agency in the country recognizes this and it isn't a matter of just more interactions.
The difficult part if figuring out what to do about it. But willfully burying your head in the sand and the obstinacy and intellectual gymnastics involved to argue that it isn't a reality - while submitting statistics that disprove your very argument is puzzling.
You didn't provide math. You provided statistics. And statistics don't tell the whole story unless you understand the methodology and other variables at play - which you aren't interested in debating.
when you find data from the FBI and census are lacking. Please provide more BS from that link that just obfuscates the numbers, and doesn't parse the difference between unarmed killings involving police and murders in general.
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Agreed. Going to be a long, hot summer reminiscent of the 60s and 70s.
WTF could anything that happened Tuesday have to do with this heinous act..?
And yes, a plot was discovered where people stole guns and were going to ambush cops. I don't think they caught all the guys involved.
This is terrible.
And yes, a plot was discovered where people stole guns and were going to ambush cops. I don't think they caught all the guys involved.
Feels like it's been a lot longer than that.
This is terrible.
For most accounts the protests have been peaceful. Obviously you had the loan gunman in Dallas, but I know someone who protested in Atlanta and said it was very peaceful. Allot of people interviewed in Dallas said it was peaceful until the shooter started sniping.
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Baton Rouge and Minneapolis shootings happened.
And yes, a plot was discovered where people stole guns and were going to ambush cops. I don't think they caught all the guys involved.
Feels like it's been a lot longer than that.
It was by a week 7/5 & 7/6
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In the streets of Cleveland this week. 5,000 officers and god knows how many protestors stirring shit up in this climate.
This is terrible.
For most accounts the protests have been peaceful. Obviously you had the loan gunman in Dallas, but I know someone who protested in Atlanta and said it was very peaceful. Allot of people interviewed in Dallas said it was peaceful until the shooter started sniping.
The Atlanta protests were peaceful during the day, but got a little rowdy at night with protestors trying to shut down the connector (the highway that runs through most of Atlanta).
My husband was in Chicago and saw a demonstration where they were chanting about dead cops, while being protected by cops of course.
Agree
2 incidents are awful but I'm not as pessimistic. Many protestors are speaking about peace and nonviolence.
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It's probably going to continue and may even increase. Anger, discord and violence, stoked by an agenda of hate and divisiveness. It's not the way to sow peace.
2 incidents are awful but I'm not as pessimistic. Many protestors are speaking about peace and nonviolence.
I'm not basing my comments on the protestors. I agree they're likely to remain non-violent. I'm talking about a summer of hate pitting races again each other and law enforcement in the cross-hairs.
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It's probably going to continue and may even increase. Anger, discord and violence, stoked by an agenda of hate and divisiveness. It's not the way to sow peace.
2 incidents are awful but I'm not as pessimistic. Many protestors are speaking about peace and nonviolence.
Are we forgetting the cop incident in St. Louis?
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It's probably going to continue and may even increase. Anger, discord and violence, stoked by an agenda of hate and divisiveness. It's not the way to sow peace.
2 incidents are awful but I'm not as pessimistic. Many protestors are speaking about peace and nonviolence.
I'm not basing my comments on the protestors. I agree they're likely to remain non-violent. I'm talking about a summer of hate pitting races again each other and law enforcement in the cross-hairs.
There are many nuts out there and that's a cause for concern but there's also a significant movement for peaceful demonstrations. I hope they prevail. I believe the long term consequence will be this crap makes it all the harder to recruit quality people in LE.
I agree but that is irrelevant now because these things are an easy target for a nut job. Something has to change
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It's probably going to continue and may even increase. Anger, discord and violence, stoked by an agenda of hate and divisiveness. It's not the way to sow peace.
2 incidents are awful but I'm not as pessimistic. Many protestors are speaking about peace and nonviolence.
I'm not basing my comments on the protestors. I agree they're likely to remain non-violent. I'm talking about a summer of hate pitting races again each other and law enforcement in the cross-hairs.
There are many nuts out there and that's a cause for concern but there's also a significant movement for peaceful demonstrations. I hope they prevail. I believe the long term consequence will be this crap makes it all the harder to recruit quality people in LE.
Maybe the protesters need to find another way to demonstrate? How many peaceful demonstrations makes this ok? 15? 20? The cost is way too rich for my blood
And so were the incident(s) they were protesting. And the vast majority of police are not racists and murderers.
But then again perhaps a bit of confirmation bias clouding both of our perspectives.
Likewise, 99.9% of cops are good people, but it's the 0.01% that give them a bad name.
I really fear where this is going to lead. There's too much hate and division in this country and people prey upon that for their own benefit.
Cleveland and Philadelphia will be interesting.
probably right about the time there's peace and harmony on Earth.
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This is terrible.
For most accounts the protests have been peaceful. Obviously you had the loan gunman in Dallas, but I know someone who protested in Atlanta and said it was very peaceful. Allot of people interviewed in Dallas said it was peaceful until the shooter started sniping.
The Loan Gunman rides again:
Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily restrict the state's open carry gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others. [...]
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested."
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BREAKING: Police spokesman says 2 "persons of interest" in the killing of 3 police officers have been detained near Baton Rouge.
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BREAKING: Louisiana police say suspect killed in Baton Rouge was sole shooter, but they are "not ready to say" he acted alone.
All too often, it is.
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In the streets of Cleveland this week. 5,000 officers and god knows how many protestors stirring shit up in this climate.
This is terrible.
For most accounts the protests have been peaceful. Obviously you had the loan gunman in Dallas, but I know someone who protested in Atlanta and said it was very peaceful. Allot of people interviewed in Dallas said it was peaceful until the shooter started sniping.
The Atlanta protests were peaceful during the day, but got a little rowdy at night with protestors trying to shut down the connector (the highway that runs through most of Atlanta).
My husband was in Chicago and saw a demonstration where they were chanting about dead cops, while being protected by cops of course.
How were the protestors being "protected" by the cops? Why would a group of several thousand people, a lot of them young men, need protection? Who was going to get them?
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Cleveland and Philadelphia will be interesting.
Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily restrict the state's open carry gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others. [...]
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested." Link - ( New Window )
The convention in Cleveland was already going to be an explosive situation due to how polarizing the GOP nominee is. But when you add in the fact that this is a particularly combustible point in time for the country with the events that have occurred over the last couple weeks, you can only hope that Ohio and the city will be as prepared as they possibly can to prevent any deadly incidents.
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Cleveland and Philadelphia will be interesting.
Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily restrict the state's open carry gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others. [...]
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested." Link - ( New Window )
You do realize that Ohio has no laws regulating open carry. None for or against. Hunters returning from a hunting trip can have a gun in their gun rack in the rear window of their pickup.
Did the head of the police union also say that BLM can't demonstrate in the state so as not to create a disturbance?
Double edged sword.
Going to be a lot worse before it gets better.
Convention Centre is a gun free zone but not outside. Guess it had to do with Secret Service.
Regardless, hope everyone stays cool.
Convention Centre is a gun free zone but not outside. Guess it had to do with Secret Service.
Regardless, hope everyone stays cool.
How many you think are going to do that?
Was on too many overhead teams for multiagency, mulitjuristicial events. This would be a good one.
Good luck.
All I am saying is good luck.
It can and has happened in my short experience.
Just remember it takes 2 to tango. There have been lines drawn as to what is acceptable and agreed to by all.
Everyone plays nice in the sandbox, it will be an uneventful couple days.
You lay the odds.
If that is him, he was a racist psycho. He advocated violence, and said that protesting was useless.
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My only point, for public safety, attempt to regulate protest groups.
All I am saying is good luck.
It can and has happened in my short experience.
Just remember it takes 2 to tango. There have been lines drawn as to what is acceptable and agreed to by all.
Everyone plays nice in the sandbox, it will be an uneventful couple days.
You lay the odds.
Let's hope it's hope it's uneventful. You have a nice evening.
If that is him, he was a racist psycho. He advocated violence, and said that protesting was useless.
He's sounds like a nut job. Did I hear it right he drove from KC to carry out the attack?
Forget that fact....that the numbers do not justify their position.
Education to both the police and the African American community:
Police: African American believe they are taregted. So please be safe but senitive to their fears. Go the extra mile to be polite.
African americans: do not promote the agenda of some intent on civil war. Police are not targeting you. But their jobs are very difficult and dangerous....kindness and respect leads to much better outcomes. Be accountable to your action
The root cause is economic failings that need to be resolved.....
Long was a sergeant and a data network specialist, a Marines spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. His awards included the Iraq Campaign Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal.
He deployed to Iraq for seven months in June 2008, and spent most of his career assigned to Marine locations in Southern California.
In the latest installment of Long's podcast, "Convos With Cosmo," he talked about not backing down from a fight or argument. He discussed his time as a Marine in San Diego and an incident where he got into a dispute with his superiors and "did not back down." For this reason, he said he has been "blacklisted from getting employment since I got out of the Marines.
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Long was a sergeant and a data network specialist, a Marines spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. His awards included the Iraq Campaign Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal.
He deployed to Iraq for seven months in June 2008, and spent most of his career assigned to Marine locations in Southern California.
In the latest installment of Long's podcast, "Convos With Cosmo," he talked about not backing down from a fight or argument. He discussed his time as a Marine in San Diego and an incident where he got into a dispute with his superiors and "did not back down." For this reason, he said he has been "blacklisted from getting employment since I got out of the Marines.
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watching his latest video and looking at the websites he owns, he calls himself "alpha" quite a bit
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There's a video of a large group of protestors from July 10 chanting "what do we want? DEAD COPS When do we want it? NOW"
I'm not sure if it actually occurred on July 10, but it wasn't one or two people chanting it...
The numbers indicate a different reality.....
Black lives matter has a false narratives as it comes cops.....
Maybe direct it to economic disparity, family education etc.....which are justifyable issues
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He has a YouTube page that's still up under the name Cosmo Setepenra
If that is him, he was a racist psycho. He advocated violence, and said that protesting was useless.
He's sounds like a nut job. Did I hear it right he drove from KC to carry out the attack?
He was also in Dallas, apparently.
Would you get of here with that shit? How much longer are you going to continue peddling your agenda - despite taken to the woodshed each and every time by virtually every poster?
You sound like a moron.
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Postpone their protests for a while out of concern and respect for the fallen police officers. Maybe actually wait for the investigations to complete considering they were wrong about the Most notorious supposedly racist murders of Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and now Freddy Gray because they didn't wait for the investigations findings. Most don't even know that the deceased in Minnesota was shot by a Mexican American not a white cop who pulled him over because he looked like an armed robbery suspect from a cpl days earlier.
Would you get of here with that shit? How much longer are you going to continue peddling your agenda - despite taken to the woodshed each and every time by virtually every poster?
You sound like a moron.
I guess the PBA shouldn't expect a donation from you this year. Since your post was devoid of any facts or sane commentary let me educate you on. A few misconceptions the media pedaled to create this mess:
Mike brown- hands up don't shoot never happened, the entire premise BLM was built on was lie that even Obamas DOJ agreed according to the evidence. Brown was a strong armed robber who attacked a police officer.
Trayvon Martin was not a 12 year old boy killed by a white guy. A Hispanic goy shot a 17 year old 6ft 170 pound young man who according to the evidence in the trial attacked and was bashing the Hispanics head onto concrete. Jury ruled the Hispanic guy acted in self defense.
Freddie Gray - a black judge has acquitted every cop so far even the driver of the van and said there has been no evidence that the cops acted improperly.
You are the type that gets these threads deleted because you can't handle an opposing opinion because it makes you mad and you can't find your safe space so you lash out without any facts and just name call because that's all you have.
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Postpone their protests for a while out of concern and respect for the fallen police officers. Maybe actually wait for the investigations to complete considering they were wrong about the Most notorious supposedly racist murders of Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and now Freddy Gray because they didn't wait for the investigations findings. Most don't even know that the deceased in Minnesota was shot by a Mexican American not a white cop who pulled him over because he looked like an armed robbery suspect from a cpl days earlier.
Would you get of here with that shit? How much longer are you going to continue peddling your agenda - despite taken to the woodshed each and every time by virtually every poster?
You sound like a moron.
I guess the PBA shouldn't expect a donation from you this year. Since your post was devoid of any facts or sane commentary let me educate you on. A few misconceptions the media pedaled to create this mess:
Mike brown- hands up don't shoot never happened, the entire premise BLM was built on was lie that even Obamas DOJ agreed according to the evidence. Brown was a strong armed robber who attacked a police officer.
Trayvon Martin was not a 12 year old boy killed by a white guy. A Hispanic goy shot a 17 year old 6ft 170 pound young man who according to the evidence in the trial attacked and was bashing the Hispanics head onto concrete. Jury ruled the Hispanic guy acted in self defense.
Freddie Gray - a black judge has acquitted every cop so far even the driver of the van and said there has been no evidence that the cops acted improperly.
You are the type that gets these threads deleted because you can't handle an opposing opinion because it makes you mad and you can't find your safe space so you lash out without any facts and just name call because that's all you have.
A lot of assumptions and thinly veiled anger.
The fact that you continue to hone in on the race of all participants in these events makes it pretty clear why you continue to miss the point.
Does pointing out that Zimmerman is Hispanic and, not white, change the fact that a grown man stalked and murdered a kid? A grown man that was specifically told not to engage by dispatch and did it anyway. A grown man that has since been the source of several violent incidents? That he was acquitted does not mean he's guilt free. But this has been discussed at length with here in the past and yet you continue to champion the cause. Shame on you.
The race of the participants is irrelevant. The problem is a schism between LEO and the communities in which they serve caused by an inordinate amount of shooting deaths. It's a complex subject that's partially due to race relations, sure, but more importantly to how we choose to police our communities and whether there is impartial, independent oversight in cases that invlove a discharged firearm. It's a legitimate concern. Not sure how anyone can argue that police officers investigating other police officers a) ensures transparency b) demands accountability c) engages the community in a way that that fosters an understanding of what and who is doing what and why.
Are you honestly trying to tell me that LEO haven't made terrible mistakes in the application of force? I can offer a list independent of the ones you cherry picked which any reasonable citizen would find repugnant. And that's only involving NYPD. That list is far longer if we include other parts of the country.
In the interest of disclosure, I have two police officers in the family. Best friend works in undercover narcotics and while I've never been a cop, I have worked in the city and state legislatures as a staffer, and worked specifically on this very issue. Oh, and Im a registered R.
So I'm not quite sure what the fuck you're getting at with your PBA and safe spaces comment, other than to be totally dismissive of opposing viewpoints.
Lastly, I continue to be surprised, and find it quite ironic how some on my side of the aisle love to champion police officers, tell us how difficult and dangerous their jobs are (indeed they are), take any criticism of LE as a personal affront, and yet unabashedly refuse to acknowledge how much more difficult the job is made by the proliferation of firearms and our inability to do anything about it.
Shameful.
If you want solve the problem of innocent cops getting killed, you need to evolve your thought processes. None of the cop killers are ever going to agree with you about those prior events. So hanging on to this self-declared righteousness (whether correct or not), ain't going to do anything to stop the killings. Ask yourself do you want to be "right" or create peace? Right now those two are not compatible.
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Why the heck is Zimmerman incident always seem to be mentioned and lumped together with police involved shooting incidents. That idiot was as much a cop as I am an NFL LB(even for the Giants
An Harvard Economist did a study on the use of force and seems to dispel the notion of the disproportionate use of lethal force. Disproportionate use of Force yes but not Lethal Force.
If you want to make a police officer's job easier let's get rid of the 4th, 5th , 6th amendments also. Cops signed up to uphold all the amendments no matter how difficult and dangerous it may be.
The way and style the media rushes to report incidents seems to me to help foster the feeling of injustice and outrage.
Police union
GOP candidate
The amount of media buzz
The trend in targeting police
The fact that some police there fit the bill for being a part of the existing problem.
A former coworker of mine is part of a police pipe band and they travel all over competing in events and playing in parades. His stories from Cleveland made it sound as if the large group of cops he hung out with over the 3 days were no better than low level criminals - parking on people's (who they didn't know) lawns to go to the bar in cop cars, showing off by pulling people over, blowing red lights by turning on the sirens, using their work vehicles to tour people around, drugs, driving drunk, hanging out with questionable characters, etc... I'd assume there is some serious animosity in parts of Cleveland.
Oh my god, Don Lemon was getting pummeled with logic and facts so he had to tap out and go to a break. He was getting killed by the Sheriff so he had to resort to trying to talk down to him and pretend the sheriff was off topic. Shocked CNN (BLM Cheer leading network) had him on. Probably will be the last time.
Its a must watch:
Are You Gonna Let Me Talk?: CNN Interview on Phony Movement Black Lives Matter Derails - ( New Window )
He also said he was part of the Nation of Islam and black separatist movements. But mainly he hated "crackers" and the police.
Police union
GOP candidate
The amount of media buzz
The trend in targeting police
The fact that some police there fit the bill for being a part of the existing problem.
A former coworker of mine is part of a police pipe band and they travel all over competing in events and playing in parades. His stories from Cleveland made it sound as if the large group of cops he hung out with over the 3 days were no better than low level criminals - parking on people's (who they didn't know) lawns to go to the bar in cop cars, showing off by pulling people over, blowing red lights by turning on the sirens, using their work vehicles to tour people around, drugs, driving drunk, hanging out with questionable characters, etc... I'd assume there is some serious animosity in parts of Cleveland.
There are bad cops everywhere, there are also good officers, and unfortunately the QA on hiring police is not to the standard it should be. The major issue with getting some head way on the issue is "good" cops need to let go of the don't snitch policy! A lot of people do not want to realize the police is very similar to a gang in that way. The 12 officers in NY that are trying to take a stand need more "good" officers to join their ranks. As well as the federal govt. putting a law in place that ANY time an officer fires his gun whether a kill is made or not needs to be investigated by the federal govt. No way are local DAs going to prosecute their own officers. Next there needs to be community policing. Officers need to live in the communities they serve. They need to live with the people not just OVERSEE them! The communities need the officers to care and see them as people and vice versa. As it stands now their fear and distrust from both sides is a cancer that is eating away at freedom, justice and the civil liberties of all people. Now the issue at the forefront is minorities are hit hardest. Which is truth but the bigger truth is the poor is hit the hardest. The media just sells more if it is turned into a racial issue, which is a big part but not the only part. As I have said before this is what made MLK Jr. great is addressed the BS can got all races to see yes there is injustice against minorities and people of color but also against the poor. Money is power and those with the money do not want to give it up. There is a larger issue example schooling in America is failing ... Why? Because jails are the new big business and jobs are being shipped overseas. Why spend money on educating when we can make money on locking them up. Then just send the jobs overseas and pay slave wages no health insurance and get tax breaks.
The powder is keg fuse is burning ... hopefully we the people can come together and put it out.
1st off what does dogs what to do with this? However the relationship with a person and his dog does not equal DAs and police offers. So that reach is a fail, try again.
We already pay for it with taxes. However we could easily just stop giving life long healthcare to politicians, less spending on weapon development and nuclear missile research, etc etc etc
If the shooting is legal and right what is the issue? Those that would really have fear of this is those that are shooting citizens illegally. However that is a big part of the issue "I feared for my life" is the ok it is a good shoot calling card. A true fact finding open and honest investigation should not be something a person that believes in the system wants to holdup the system should fear. If it does then that means they really should not be a police officer.
You said an investigation EVERY TIME and officer fires his/her weapon. NOT every time there is a human fatality. NOT every time there is a human injury. NOT every time the target is a human being. EVERY TIME. Any failure here is on your part.
Our taxes don't cover the cost for the extra personel DOJ would need to investigate on that scale.
Less than 1. But there are roughly 900,000 police officers in the US. If 5 in 100 fire their weapons in a year that's 45,000 investigations DOJ is responsible for annually.
They are professionals, and should be monitored professionally. Lawyers, accountants, doctors all have detailed oversight. When enough of these cases demonstrate responsible use, all of this mistrust will disappear.
They are professionals, and should be monitored professionally. Lawyers, accountants, doctors all have detailed oversight. When enough of these cases demonstrate responsible use, all of this mistrust will disappear.
Well as it stands now .... the reviews are not professional due to the investigators having a bias stance.
As for cameras they do help and are needed ... but as you can see ... departments now want to not give access to the footage ... they were defective ... they fell off .... blah blah ... So it still needs to be a separate 3rd party with no skin in the game to handle the reviews. Officers make sure that weapon is A1 ... they should as well with cameras ... but often that is not the case and most do not want them ... There is a reason they prefer to be cloaked.
However my point is the reviews and investigations NEED to be independent.
Why not the feds?
Lemon brought up a recent Harvard study to prove his point. When Clarke corrected him about the findings of the study, Lemon said something like "well that study only consisted of a small sample size and many people have discredited it"
Lemon is an idiot.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
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on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
So according to your comments, you are unhappy that innocent cops were found innocent by our judicial process and happy that riots occurred for reasons that were proven wrong by evidence?? Thats odd.
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on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
So according to your comments, you are unhappy that innocent cops were found innocent by our judicial process and happy that riots occurred for reasons that were proven wrong by evidence?? Thats odd.
No, according to my comments you are a proven shithead racist.
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on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
Charges were brought by an African-American prosecutor and the case was decided by an African-American judge. Are you saying the case was decided on the basis of race?
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but not Federal oversight. We do have the 10th Amendment for a reason. If you worry about impartiality /too cozy DA-Police relationship use a DA from outside the area or maybe the STATE AG not the Feds.
Why not the feds?
Why not local DAs?
Lemon brought up a recent Harvard study to prove his point. When Clarke corrected him about the findings of the study, Lemon said something like "well that study only consisted of a small sample size and many people have discredited it"
Lemon is an idiot.
To be fair, the part of the study that says use of catastrophic force doesn't involve implicit bias is based on a small sample of just 1 city (Houston). The part that says most uses of forces do involve implicit bias uses a larger sample.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
So you and many others understand that BLM is not in existence because of those 2 cases. BLM is in existence because for decades they has been issues and hundreds of cases of police abuse in minority areas. The issues are and have been substantiated in various studies involving various departments. The FBI in 2006 for instance stated that there are many police departments in the U.S. That have been and are being infiltrated by white supremacist.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/5/21/1384553/-2006-FBI-Report-on-White-Infiltration-of-Law-Enforcement-You-Will-Be-Assimilated
To write off the feelings and dismiss the issues that BLM raises out of hand as illegitimate because of Mike Brown and Freddy Gray is very shortsighted at best. That kind of attitude will only perpetuate the toxic conditions that exist. For every Mike Browns there are very legit bad crap that have happen to people of color that are not criminals, go look at the Diallo case. Freddy Gray's cops getting off because of a lack of evidence to convict is not the same as saying they did nothing wrong, after all his spine was severed.
Most people of color that I have met are not anti-police. Quite the opposite has been true. What I have often been told is, I don't want a crack head at my door step, I also don't want to be treated like the crack head by the guys I called in to have him removed. Too often cops (black, white, other) are going in with pre-conceive notions. Not too long ago a Police captain in the NYPD got in trouble because he was over heard and quoted by reporters during a riot in Brooklyn by hassidic Jews, that if this was bed stuy or crown heights they would have gotten the OK to crack some heads a while ago. Think about that for a second. A Jewish community is in full scale riot and turning over cars and damaging property but the response if different. Do you really think the AA community if not paying attention to these events.
If you think the BLM movement is just a response to a handful of events and not about systemic issues and problems that exist around law enforcement then you are completely missing the boat on what is bothering a significant portion of Americans.
Not sure whether you've seen it, as I've been hidden away in my safe zone all morning sipping on my juice box.
Forget that fact....that the numbers do not justify their position.
Education to both the police and the African American community:
Police: African American believe they are taregted. So please be safe but senitive to their fears. Go the extra mile to be polite.
African americans: do not promote the agenda of some intent on civil war. Police are not targeting you. But their jobs are very difficult and dangerous....kindness and respect leads to much better outcomes. Be accountable to your action
The root cause is economic failings that need to be resolved.....
This post is very condescending and offensive. DO you really think all black want from the cops is more politeness from cops? That is so dismissive of the issues that people are facing.
Yes it did happen . Lived not too far away and it was hundreds of people.
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Cars overturned and on fire? I don't recall hearing about that in the media.
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OK. I was expecting something more recent and hadn't seen anything.
2) I would hope no one would be pleased or pissed at the ruling. It's justice under the law.
3) People have no right to tell another person when they should or shouldn't be offended or angry. Like most here, I have lived life as a middle class white guy. I have no clue what it's like to be an inner city minority.
4) I hope Montrell Jackson's words are repeated over and over and he becomes a symbol that is used to help heal the wounds.
5) Jackson's go fund me account has $63K. Let's hope the officer's families and seeing similar support
I assume you're talking about private citizens and not the police.
Do you mean inside one's home or just in public places?
Stand your ground goes too far, IMO. I am referring to public space not your home. There have been cases where there were unnecessary shootings in a home but it is sacred space.
The castle doctrine and stand your ground are virtually the same.
Why the Zimmerman team put in a self defense plea.
He would be sitting in jail if the tried to use castle or stand your ground as a defense. Yes, in some states castle can be applied outside the home.
Why you need to be familiar with each states laws because they are different.
In a discussion, both sides could be correct because they are talking about different states.
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but not Federal oversight. We do have the 10th Amendment for a reason. If you worry about impartiality /too cozy DA-Police relationship use a DA from outside the area or maybe the STATE AG not the Feds.
Why not the feds?
Why not local DAs?
As stated previously local DAs and local police officers work in the same pool ... there is obvious bias.
Hey no one cares until it homes then there is a different perspective.
https://www.facebook.com/paulatutmanlocal4/videos/476466122542224/
In order to proceed with perjury charges, we must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Tolbert's testimony on July 13, 2010, was false. There were only three witnesses to the drawing of the sketch in question. Two of them, Davontae Sanford and James Tolbert are unavailable to us. The third person is Sgt. Michael Russell, and his testimony does not support a perjury charge. The bottom line is that there is an important legal distinction between acting on evidence that undermines a conviction, and proving beyond a reasonable doubt that someone has committed perjury,
and the shootings are the results.
The DoJ is different... they have local offices and the DC headquarters. Local offices are much more hesitant to prosecute officers than the DC guys are. There was an article about this very thing (DoJ) in the Times (last week I think?) in regards to the Eric Garner case.
The DoJ is different... they have local offices and the DC headquarters. Local offices are much more hesitant to prosecute officers than the DC guys are. There was an article about this very thing (DoJ) in the Times (last week I think?) in regards to the Eric Garner case.
I'd say this varies by jurisdiction. The Baltimore DA sure didn't have a problem bringing charges.
How about clean cops?
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They have to run for reelection. Good luck winning if you're perceived as protecting dirty cops
How about clean cops?
Depends on the jurisdiction.
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They have to run for reelection. Good luck winning if you're perceived as protecting dirty cops
How about clean cops?
Why would you need to protect clean cops?
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They have to run for reelection. Good luck winning if you're perceived as protecting dirty cops
How about clean cops?
Depends on the jurisdiction.
I know that. I would think upstate is considerably different.
What a schmuck.
He's more respected than the idiot Don lemon.
What's the O/U on how many times he mentions Lemon? I think he's up to 20. Lemon is the anti-Eli
What's the O/U on how many times he mentions Lemon? I think he's up to 20. Lemon is the anti-Eli
hey cunt, you beg eric to let you post your bullshit? this is the 2nd time i brought him up, both times when he embarrassed himself. but cute Eli reference. makes no sense, but that is not surprising with you. now please go fuck yourself kindly. you're obsession with me is scary now.
when you ignore someone... you sure bring me up a lot. Its cute, much like a high school crush. you did it as soon as you came back last year, and now doing it again.
You know what an obession is? Reading posts from me on one board which you were banned from and posting on an entirely different board about me. Thats some fucked up obsession you have.
Dont know why eric let you back. He should have told you to go fuck yourself like pretty much everyone else does.
Plenty of grade school children pics on Facebook to occupy your time there "ap"
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You're accusing someone of being obsessed? Hahahah Take a deep breath already. I'll return to ignoring you.
Plenty of grade school children pics on Facebook to occupy your time there "ap"
he's better known as barkillo.
yes you fucking moron. You read posts from me on here when you were banned, and posted them on Flounder's board. You know how pathetic that is? Well I am sure you do, you look in the mirror every day.
We all know you know shit about football.
We all know you stir the pot whenever you can.
You have a sick obsession with me (ill be glad to post the threads you made from Flounders board when were BANNED from here.
Seriously, I am starting to feel sorry for you. I am actually surprised you have survived this long here. Must be one hell of a "donation" you gave Eric.
Want me to bring them up? No problem...
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This helped:
This game is on Tom Coughlin
dep026 : 10:45 pm : link
he should fucking apologize to every one of his fucking players.
This one was titled enjoying the game day thread
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Watching the game alone, doing some work and reading the game thread for comic relief to lessen the misery. What a bunch of fucking morons. Eli gets to the line with 15 seconds, dep claims it's 8 seconds. Accuracy was never Eli"s strength and he's not sharp today either. What's the deal with dep's "analysis" of Eli?
this was titled "dep"
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Sep 29, 2013 at 3:52pm QuotelikePost Options Post by barilko on Sep 29, 2013 at 3:52pm
You're one of the worst football posters on BBI, stick to fantasy?
So your 282 posts is a little bit than time to time. Usually starting threads about me. Those were 3, I could find more, but I guess you get the point. You have fucking issues dude. Going to one site while Banned, and then posting about me on another board. Sad and pathetic.
Self reflecting is important. Maybe you can learn from this and realize you are sad pathetic bitch.
What a schmuck.
Clarke and evisceration are irrelevant here. Lemon did no analysis and basically whined about the night before. Totally unprofessional.
Blacks being killed by the police is a village being razed that needs help against the attacks. Saying well all villages matter ... yes they do however those villages are not being targeted and razed.
BLM is not anti-police they are anti-illegal killings by the police. The well what about black on black crime argument...is like saying to someone trying to get a cure for cancer ... what about the HIV virus?
I suppose that one might argue that if you cured AIDS, then there would be a concomitant reduction in the number of deaths due to cancer.
Instead of focusing on why so many young black men have these interactions with police and have lengthy criminal records, some falsely want to believe it is just a bunch of racist cops out there picking on black people...And that is where BLM loses most peoples attention.
Instead this false narrative has brought upon violence against cops. WHo would want that job...seriously..
are all victims of people saying Black Live DO NOT Matter.
As I said "I feared for my life" is the it is ok calling card.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW5rXN9c67M
Instead of focusing on why so many young black men have these interactions with police and have lengthy criminal records, some falsely want to believe it is just a bunch of racist cops out there picking on black people...And that is where BLM loses most peoples attention.
Instead this false narrative has brought upon violence against cops. Who would want that job...seriously..
It happens more than you realize ... the issue is a lot of times there are no witnesses and no video.
Look people want to pretend the racist nature and mentality country is far and removed but that is far from true. http://www.ushistory.org/more/timeline.htm
My father not grandfather or great grand father ... My father could not eat at certain places ... use certain water fountains.
Are all cops racist? No. However more are then a lot of people are willing to admit. Also the system is still very much racist. As noted above about the example given about the Jewish riot.
We should forget about slavery but remember the Holocaust...Remember 9/11 but pretend the terrorist attack on Black Wall Street never happened. http://www.blackwallstreet.freeservers.com/The%20Story.htm
BLM is not anti-police they are anti-illegal killings by the police.
I don't see how you can reconcile that statement with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNxoeqf0Ws
Beyond that, the atrocity in Tulsa happened 95 years ago. Yes, it was an atrocity, but fortunately we've come far enough so that would never take place today. And it wasn't forgotten. At least when I was in college (yes, later than 1921) it was included in a 20th century American History course I took. And as bad as it was, the death toll was a small fraction of the 6 million that the Holocaust took.
Finally, Steve King made a statement that was even more ignorant than it was racist. Yet he represents whites no more than Cynthia McKinney did blacks when she said Bush was in on 911.
Totally unacceptable, but a death toll in the hundreds is on a completely different scale than 6 million.
I guess like the police brutality during the 1st wave of the jim crow laws?
Because if you are not really paying attention this is the beginning of the 2nd wave.
That may be true, but why are unarmed black men killed at 5x the rate as unarmed white men?
I guess like the police brutality during the 1st wave of the jim crow laws?
Because if you are not really paying attention this is the beginning of the 2nd wave.
Oh, over the centuries the slave trade could clearly be classified as a holocaust. However, everybody got into that act, not just whites. And it will never happen again (IMHO, if you like). What's different about the Holocaust is that a) It happened more recently and b) It happened predominantly in a 5 year period. No five years in the slave trade could match 1941-45.
Also interesting is your failure to acknowledge my link.
As far as a purported second wave I don't see it. Not that I see everything being peachy keen either. But that's just as much a prediction of the future as your comment. We'll see who's right.
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BLM is not anti-police they are anti-illegal killings by the police.
I don't see how you can reconcile that statement with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNxoeqf0Ws
It's pretty easy to reconcile that statement when you consider that the vast majority of BLM protestors aren't chanting things like that. I wouldn't look at one video on YouTube and assume that this is what the movement is about.
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How about a more reputable news source?
The Guardian has numbers for all of 2015 and 2016 so far - ( New Window )
Then you have the 70s & 80s were let where the govt decided to use drugs to destroy the community.
SMH ... The holocuast was more recent.
When was it Jewish people where killed for knowing how to read? Stripped of religion language culture etc?
I guess like the police brutality during the 1st wave of the jim crow laws?
Because if you are not really paying attention this is the beginning of the 2nd wave.
The second wave of what? Jim Crow? What the hell are you babbling about?
You do realize that your own link doesn't even support your own narrative on this thread?
Try running the math and you'll arrive to where we are.
https://www.facebook.com/SteveHarveytv/videos/1174405859284049/
50 to 60 cases (that is 1 single officer) .... but yea we have come soooo far ....
Stand your ground laws
Are not EQUALLY applied! How the JUDICIAL SYSTEM handles cases of the same nature and level are not equal for blacks/hispanics as it is for whites. The 2nd wave is beginning.
Instead this false narrative has brought upon violence against cops. WHo would want that job...seriously..
I don't believe BLM played much of a role in either shooting. The Baton Rogue shooter didn't support BLM, he was a lunatic who wanted to see violence.
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That stat is nonsense. Here are numbers for 2015 in link below Link - ( New Window )
You do realize that your own link doesn't even support your own narrative on this thread?
Try running the math and you'll arrive to where we are.
I never provided a link, but the data I shared is aggregated from the Census, and FBI crime reports. But I guess the information isn't 'good enough'.
I was suggesting he do the math.
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Instead this false narrative has brought upon violence against cops. WHo would want that job...seriously..
I don't believe BLM played much of a role in either shooting. The Baton Rogue shooter didn't support BLM, he was a lunatic who wanted to see violence.
There's a difference between saying BLM is anti-cop and saying they were involved in the Baton Rouge killings
And it might have knocked a year or two off Volpe's 30 year sentence without the possibility of parole.
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I'm sure if police officers said "please" and "thank you" while shoving a plunger up someone's anus or killing an unarmed man, it would solve a lot of these issues. Politeness goes a long way.
And it might have knocked a year or two off Volpe's 30 year sentence without the possibility of parole.
And to think, they successfully prosecuted Volpe despite the blue wall of silence. Or is that a myth?
Whites are killed by police 2:1. If you had basic reading skills you would stop pretending the real issue is racism by cops
"According to the Guardians tally, of the approximately 1001 people killed by police this year in America, 502 were white, 250 were black, 163 were Hispanic/Latino, 18 were Asian/Pacific Islander, 13 were American Indian, and 54 were other/unknown."
Now tell me what % of homicides are done by blacks?
It is simple. Blacks have more interactions with Police per capita then whites. Vastly so.
If you commit more crime, you will have more negative interactions with police. Its simple and not some racist cop thing. You should really be asking yourself why you want to believe against the statistics.
If you commit half of the homicides. Or now about 1/3.
Lets look at 2013 for example
" In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent."
Now what % by race would you expect to have violent interactions with the police just based off of those numbers? Its freaking basic simple shit. What is scary is that there is no solution based on your beliefs. Except to leave the areas and no longer patrol violent neighborhoods.
Real solutions involve poverty, drugs and drug laws, education, criminal just system etc...But you guys are focused on a bogeyman of racist cops
When have I advocated for or suggested a ban on peaceful protest? They can even say "pigs in a blanket, fry'em like bacon." That just makes them anti-cop, and not just cops who violate the law.
If you commit half of the homicides. Or now about 1/3.
Lets look at 2013 for example
" In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent."
Now what % by race would you expect to have violent interactions with the police just based off of those numbers? Its freaking basic simple shit. What is scary is that there is no solution based on your beliefs. Except to leave the areas and no longer patrol violent neighborhoods.
Real solutions involve poverty, drugs and drug laws, education, criminal just system etc...But you guys are focused on a bogeyman of racist cops
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. You cite statistics yet refuse to delve that extra bit deeper because it'll invalidate your narrative.
Well, I refuse to do the math for you, since it'll likely either be ignored or brushed away with gobbley good like "they should be more polite".
I'll refrain from engaging you further on the topic.
Research shows blacks and whites smoke pot at roughly the same rate. Why are blacks 5 times more likely to be incarcerated for pot?
It isnt, really. A black man is five times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a white man. Virtually every law enforcement agency in the country recognizes this and it isn't a matter of just more interactions.
The difficult part if figuring out what to do about it. But willfully burying your head in the sand and the obstinacy and intellectual gymnastics involved to argue that it isn't a reality - while submitting statistics that disprove your very argument is puzzling.
You didn't provide math. You provided statistics. And statistics don't tell the whole story unless you understand the methodology and other variables at play - which you aren't interested in debating.
Have a good one.
Research shows blacks and whites smoke pot at roughly the same rate. Why are blacks 5 times more likely to be incarcerated for pot?
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Here's a simple question.
Research shows blacks and whites smoke pot at roughly the same rate. Why are blacks 5 times more likely to be incarcerated for pot?
More involved in pot as an entrepreneurial activity?
Why don't you try posting actual data, instead of pulling something out of your ass and throwing it up against the wall hoping something sticks?
Eh, I get from both. I'm not predigest like that.