Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily restrict the state's open carry gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others. [...]
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested." Link - ( New Window )
You do realize that Ohio has no laws regulating open carry. None for or against. Hunters returning from a hunting trip can have a gun in their gun rack in the rear window of their pickup.
Did the head of the police union also say that BLM can't demonstrate in the state so as not to create a disturbance?
Double edged sword.
Going to be a lot worse before it gets better.
ctc - Groups wishing to protest had to file for permit.
Forget that fact....that the numbers do not justify their position.
Education to both the police and the African American community:
Police: African American believe they are taregted. So please be safe but senitive to their fears. Go the extra mile to be polite.
African americans: do not promote the agenda of some intent on civil war. Police are not targeting you. But their jobs are very difficult and dangerous....kindness and respect leads to much better outcomes. Be accountable to your action
The root cause is economic failings that need to be resolved.....
And before anyone brings up how he may have suffered from PTSD just because he was a prior military who had deployed, this is what he did in the Marines...
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Long served in the U.S. Marine Corps 2005-2010, including a deployment to Iraq, officials said.
Long was a sergeant and a data network specialist, a Marines spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. His awards included the Iraq Campaign Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal.
He deployed to Iraq for seven months in June 2008, and spent most of his career assigned to Marine locations in Southern California.
In the latest installment of Long's podcast, "Convos With Cosmo," he talked about not backing down from a fight or argument. He discussed his time as a Marine in San Diego and an incident where he got into a dispute with his superiors and "did not back down." For this reason, he said he has been "blacklisted from getting employment since I got out of the Marines.
And before anyone brings up how he may have suffered from PTSD just because he was a prior military who had deployed, this is what he did in the Marines...
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Long served in the U.S. Marine Corps 2005-2010, including a deployment to Iraq, officials said.
Long was a sergeant and a data network specialist, a Marines spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. His awards included the Iraq Campaign Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal.
He deployed to Iraq for seven months in June 2008, and spent most of his career assigned to Marine locations in Southern California.
In the latest installment of Long's podcast, "Convos With Cosmo," he talked about not backing down from a fight or argument. He discussed his time as a Marine in San Diego and an incident where he got into a dispute with his superiors and "did not back down." For this reason, he said he has been "blacklisted from getting employment since I got out of the Marines.
Dude was a raging asshole. Link - ( New Window )
watching his latest video and looking at the websites he owns, he calls himself "alpha" quite a bit
The Associated Press @AP 2m2 minutes ago
BREAKING: Police spokesman says 2 "persons of interest" in the killing of 3 police officers have been detained near Baton Rouge.
he Associated Press @AP 4m4 minutes ago
Latest on police shot-Baton Rouge: Police spokesman says 2 "persons of interests" who were detained are released.
Postpone their protests for a while out of concern and respect for the fallen police officers. Maybe actually wait for the investigations to complete considering they were wrong about the Most notorious supposedly racist murders of Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and now Freddy Gray because they didn't wait for the investigations findings. Most don't even know that the deceased in Minnesota was shot by a Mexican American not a white cop who pulled him over because he looked like an armed robbery suspect from a cpl days earlier.
RE: If BLM is Truly concerned about peace they should
Postpone their protests for a while out of concern and respect for the fallen police officers. Maybe actually wait for the investigations to complete considering they were wrong about the Most notorious supposedly racist murders of Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and now Freddy Gray because they didn't wait for the investigations findings. Most don't even know that the deceased in Minnesota was shot by a Mexican American not a white cop who pulled him over because he looked like an armed robbery suspect from a cpl days earlier.
Would you get of here with that shit? How much longer are you going to continue peddling your agenda - despite taken to the woodshed each and every time by virtually every poster?
You sound like a moron.
RE: RE: If BLM is Truly concerned about peace they should
Postpone their protests for a while out of concern and respect for the fallen police officers. Maybe actually wait for the investigations to complete considering they were wrong about the Most notorious supposedly racist murders of Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and now Freddy Gray because they didn't wait for the investigations findings. Most don't even know that the deceased in Minnesota was shot by a Mexican American not a white cop who pulled him over because he looked like an armed robbery suspect from a cpl days earlier.
Would you get of here with that shit? How much longer are you going to continue peddling your agenda - despite taken to the woodshed each and every time by virtually every poster?
You sound like a moron.
I guess the PBA shouldn't expect a donation from you this year. Since your post was devoid of any facts or sane commentary let me educate you on. A few misconceptions the media pedaled to create this mess:
Mike brown- hands up don't shoot never happened, the entire premise BLM was built on was lie that even Obamas DOJ agreed according to the evidence. Brown was a strong armed robber who attacked a police officer.
Trayvon Martin was not a 12 year old boy killed by a white guy. A Hispanic goy shot a 17 year old 6ft 170 pound young man who according to the evidence in the trial attacked and was bashing the Hispanics head onto concrete. Jury ruled the Hispanic guy acted in self defense.
Freddie Gray - a black judge has acquitted every cop so far even the driver of the van and said there has been no evidence that the cops acted improperly.
You are the type that gets these threads deleted because you can't handle an opposing opinion because it makes you mad and you can't find your safe space so you lash out without any facts and just name call because that's all you have.
RE: RE: RE: If BLM is Truly concerned about peace they should
Postpone their protests for a while out of concern and respect for the fallen police officers. Maybe actually wait for the investigations to complete considering they were wrong about the Most notorious supposedly racist murders of Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and now Freddy Gray because they didn't wait for the investigations findings. Most don't even know that the deceased in Minnesota was shot by a Mexican American not a white cop who pulled him over because he looked like an armed robbery suspect from a cpl days earlier.
Would you get of here with that shit? How much longer are you going to continue peddling your agenda - despite taken to the woodshed each and every time by virtually every poster?
You sound like a moron.
I guess the PBA shouldn't expect a donation from you this year. Since your post was devoid of any facts or sane commentary let me educate you on. A few misconceptions the media pedaled to create this mess:
Mike brown- hands up don't shoot never happened, the entire premise BLM was built on was lie that even Obamas DOJ agreed according to the evidence. Brown was a strong armed robber who attacked a police officer.
Trayvon Martin was not a 12 year old boy killed by a white guy. A Hispanic goy shot a 17 year old 6ft 170 pound young man who according to the evidence in the trial attacked and was bashing the Hispanics head onto concrete. Jury ruled the Hispanic guy acted in self defense.
Freddie Gray - a black judge has acquitted every cop so far even the driver of the van and said there has been no evidence that the cops acted improperly.
You are the type that gets these threads deleted because you can't handle an opposing opinion because it makes you mad and you can't find your safe space so you lash out without any facts and just name call because that's all you have.
A lot of assumptions and thinly veiled anger.
The fact that you continue to hone in on the race of all participants in these events makes it pretty clear why you continue to miss the point.
Does pointing out that Zimmerman is Hispanic and, not white, change the fact that a grown man stalked and murdered a kid? A grown man that was specifically told not to engage by dispatch and did it anyway. A grown man that has since been the source of several violent incidents? That he was acquitted does not mean he's guilt free. But this has been discussed at length with here in the past and yet you continue to champion the cause. Shame on you.
The race of the participants is irrelevant. The problem is a schism between LEO and the communities in which they serve caused by an inordinate amount of shooting deaths. It's a complex subject that's partially due to race relations, sure, but more importantly to how we choose to police our communities and whether there is impartial, independent oversight in cases that invlove a discharged firearm. It's a legitimate concern. Not sure how anyone can argue that police officers investigating other police officers a) ensures transparency b) demands accountability c) engages the community in a way that that fosters an understanding of what and who is doing what and why.
Are you honestly trying to tell me that LEO haven't made terrible mistakes in the application of force? I can offer a list independent of the ones you cherry picked which any reasonable citizen would find repugnant. And that's only involving NYPD. That list is far longer if we include other parts of the country.
In the interest of disclosure, I have two police officers in the family. Best friend works in undercover narcotics and while I've never been a cop, I have worked in the city and state legislatures as a staffer, and worked specifically on this very issue. Oh, and Im a registered R.
So I'm not quite sure what the fuck you're getting at with your PBA and safe spaces comment, other than to be totally dismissive of opposing viewpoints.
Lastly, I continue to be surprised, and find it quite ironic how some on my side of the aisle love to champion police officers, tell us how difficult and dangerous their jobs are (indeed they are), take any criticism of LE as a personal affront, and yet unabashedly refuse to acknowledge how much more difficult the job is made by the proliferation of firearms and our inability to do anything about it.
The problem is that cops are now getting killed rather indiscriminately. And this was very predictable. Look at some of my previous posts.
If you want solve the problem of innocent cops getting killed, you need to evolve your thought processes. None of the cop killers are ever going to agree with you about those prior events. So hanging on to this self-declared righteousness (whether correct or not), ain't going to do anything to stop the killings. Ask yourself do you want to be "right" or create peace? Right now those two are not compatible.
Why the heck is Zimmerman incident always seem to be mentioned and lumped together with police involved shooting incidents. That idiot was as much a cop as I am an NFL LB(even for the Giants
An Harvard Economist did a study on the use of force and seems to dispel the notion of the disproportionate use of lethal force. Disproportionate use of Force yes but not Lethal Force.
If you want to make a police officer's job easier let's get rid of the 4th, 5th , 6th amendments also. Cops signed up to uphold all the amendments no matter how difficult and dangerous it may be.
The way and style the media rushes to report incidents seems to me to help foster the feeling of injustice and outrage.
just so much hate in the air. it's not as bad as the late 60s and won't get to that level. but it's to the point where you just want to avoid crowds at all costs.
Cleveland is going to be potentially extraordinarily dangerous
So many factors
Police union
GOP candidate
The amount of media buzz
The trend in targeting police
The fact that some police there fit the bill for being a part of the existing problem.
A former coworker of mine is part of a police pipe band and they travel all over competing in events and playing in parades. His stories from Cleveland made it sound as if the large group of cops he hung out with over the 3 days were no better than low level criminals - parking on people's (who they didn't know) lawns to go to the bar in cop cars, showing off by pulling people over, blowing red lights by turning on the sirens, using their work vehicles to tour people around, drugs, driving drunk, hanging out with questionable characters, etc... I'd assume there is some serious animosity in parts of Cleveland.
This morning? I would be in hiding after the beat down he received from David clarke last night.
Oh my god, Don Lemon was getting pummeled with logic and facts so he had to tap out and go to a break. He was getting killed by the Sheriff so he had to resort to trying to talk down to him and pretend the sheriff was off topic. Shocked CNN (BLM Cheer leading network) had him on. Probably will be the last time.
When you compare it to the summer of '68, is that the amount of weapons on both sides have increased 100 fold....someone throws a bottle and world war III could begin.
So many factors
Police union
GOP candidate
The amount of media buzz
The trend in targeting police
The fact that some police there fit the bill for being a part of the existing problem.
A former coworker of mine is part of a police pipe band and they travel all over competing in events and playing in parades. His stories from Cleveland made it sound as if the large group of cops he hung out with over the 3 days were no better than low level criminals - parking on people's (who they didn't know) lawns to go to the bar in cop cars, showing off by pulling people over, blowing red lights by turning on the sirens, using their work vehicles to tour people around, drugs, driving drunk, hanging out with questionable characters, etc... I'd assume there is some serious animosity in parts of Cleveland.
There are bad cops everywhere, there are also good officers, and unfortunately the QA on hiring police is not to the standard it should be. The major issue with getting some head way on the issue is "good" cops need to let go of the don't snitch policy! A lot of people do not want to realize the police is very similar to a gang in that way. The 12 officers in NY that are trying to take a stand need more "good" officers to join their ranks. As well as the federal govt. putting a law in place that ANY time an officer fires his gun whether a kill is made or not needs to be investigated by the federal govt. No way are local DAs going to prosecute their own officers. Next there needs to be community policing. Officers need to live in the communities they serve. They need to live with the people not just OVERSEE them! The communities need the officers to care and see them as people and vice versa. As it stands now their fear and distrust from both sides is a cancer that is eating away at freedom, justice and the civil liberties of all people. Now the issue at the forefront is minorities are hit hardest. Which is truth but the bigger truth is the poor is hit the hardest. The media just sells more if it is turned into a racial issue, which is a big part but not the only part. As I have said before this is what made MLK Jr. great is addressed the BS can got all races to see yes there is injustice against minorities and people of color but also against the poor. Money is power and those with the money do not want to give it up. There is a larger issue example schooling in America is failing ... Why? Because jails are the new big business and jobs are being shipped overseas. Why spend money on educating when we can make money on locking them up. Then just send the jobs overseas and pay slave wages no health insurance and get tax breaks.
The powder is keg fuse is burning ... hopefully we the people can come together and put it out.
ANY time a cop fires his/her gun = DOJ investigation?
So when a pit bull mauls a child and gets put down it's going to be a federal investigation? I have 2 questions. Who's going to pay for it? Who is going to sign up to be a cop with that level of risk?
So when a pit bull mauls a child and gets put down it's going to be a federal investigation? I have 2 questions. Who's going to pay for it? Who is going to sign up to be a cop with that level of risk?
1st off what does dogs what to do with this? However the relationship with a person and his dog does not equal DAs and police offers. So that reach is a fail, try again.
We already pay for it with taxes. However we could easily just stop giving life long healthcare to politicians, less spending on weapon development and nuclear missile research, etc etc etc
If the shooting is legal and right what is the issue? Those that would really have fear of this is those that are shooting citizens illegally. However that is a big part of the issue "I feared for my life" is the ok it is a good shoot calling card. A true fact finding open and honest investigation should not be something a person that believes in the system wants to holdup the system should fear. If it does then that means they really should not be a police officer.
RE: RE: ANY time a cop fires his/her gun = DOJ investigation?
1st off what does dogs what to do with this? However the relationship with a person and his dog does not equal DAs and police offers. So that reach is a fail, try again.
You said an investigation EVERY TIME and officer fires his/her weapon. NOT every time there is a human fatality. NOT every time there is a human injury. NOT every time the target is a human being. EVERY TIME. Any failure here is on your part.
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We already pay for it with taxes.
Our taxes don't cover the cost for the extra personel DOJ would need to investigate on that scale.
are firing their guns in the line of duty per year on average?
Less than 1. But there are roughly 900,000 police officers in the US. If 5 in 100 fire their weapons in a year that's 45,000 investigations DOJ is responsible for annually.
Cameras will be on bodies AND guns. So that every time a cop fires his gun, it can be reviewed. Not investigated.
They are professionals, and should be monitored professionally. Lawyers, accountants, doctors all have detailed oversight. When enough of these cases demonstrate responsible use, all of this mistrust will disappear.
but not Federal oversight. We do have the 10th Amendment for a reason. If you worry about impartiality /too cozy DA-Police relationship use a DA from outside the area or maybe the STATE AG not the Feds.
Cameras will be on bodies AND guns. So that every time a cop fires his gun, it can be reviewed. Not investigated.
They are professionals, and should be monitored professionally. Lawyers, accountants, doctors all have detailed oversight. When enough of these cases demonstrate responsible use, all of this mistrust will disappear.
Well as it stands now .... the reviews are not professional due to the investigators having a bias stance.
As for cameras they do help and are needed ... but as you can see ... departments now want to not give access to the footage ... they were defective ... they fell off .... blah blah ... So it still needs to be a separate 3rd party with no skin in the game to handle the reviews. Officers make sure that weapon is A1 ... they should as well with cameras ... but often that is not the case and most do not want them ... There is a reason they prefer to be cloaked.
However my point is the reviews and investigations NEED to be independent.
but not Federal oversight. We do have the 10th Amendment for a reason. If you worry about impartiality /too cozy DA-Police relationship use a DA from outside the area or maybe the STATE AG not the Feds.
Pummeled? Clark is a three sentence act. Basically the black Trump of law enforcement.
Lemon brought up a recent Harvard study to prove his point. When Clarke corrected him about the findings of the study, Lemon said something like "well that study only consisted of a small sample size and many people have discredited it"
Lemon is an idiot.
Just announced: Officer Brian Rice found not guilty
on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
Don't like cameras is not as nefarious as you think. In many departments they can get written up if they are not wearing their hat or in the heat of the moment utter a curse word. Look in today's world they may be necessary but who likes their every little action recorded and subject to review and criticism by someone sitting safely behind a monitor. Do I think that police have to get over it? Yes but for the most part the resistance to cameras has more to do with worrying about Monday Morning Quarter backing then hiding bad behavior
RE: Just announced: Officer Brian Rice found not guilty
on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
RE: RE: Just announced: Officer Brian Rice found not guilty
on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
So according to your comments, you are unhappy that innocent cops were found innocent by our judicial process and happy that riots occurred for reasons that were proven wrong by evidence?? Thats odd.
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Cleveland and Philadelphia will be interesting.
Cleveland, Ohio (CNN)The head of Cleveland's largest police union is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily restrict the state's open carry gun laws during this week's Republican National Convention following Sunday's shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others. [...]
Kasich, responding to the request, said: "Ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested." Link - ( New Window )
You do realize that Ohio has no laws regulating open carry. None for or against. Hunters returning from a hunting trip can have a gun in their gun rack in the rear window of their pickup.
Did the head of the police union also say that BLM can't demonstrate in the state so as not to create a disturbance?
Double edged sword.
Going to be a lot worse before it gets better.
Convention Centre is a gun free zone but not outside. Guess it had to do with Secret Service.
Regardless, hope everyone stays cool.
Convention Centre is a gun free zone but not outside. Guess it had to do with Secret Service.
Regardless, hope everyone stays cool.
How many you think are going to do that?
Was on too many overhead teams for multiagency, mulitjuristicial events. This would be a good one.
Good luck.
All I am saying is good luck.
It can and has happened in my short experience.
Just remember it takes 2 to tango. There have been lines drawn as to what is acceptable and agreed to by all.
Everyone plays nice in the sandbox, it will be an uneventful couple days.
You lay the odds.
If that is him, he was a racist psycho. He advocated violence, and said that protesting was useless.
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My only point, for public safety, attempt to regulate protest groups.
All I am saying is good luck.
It can and has happened in my short experience.
Just remember it takes 2 to tango. There have been lines drawn as to what is acceptable and agreed to by all.
Everyone plays nice in the sandbox, it will be an uneventful couple days.
You lay the odds.
Let's hope it's hope it's uneventful. You have a nice evening.
If that is him, he was a racist psycho. He advocated violence, and said that protesting was useless.
He's sounds like a nut job. Did I hear it right he drove from KC to carry out the attack?
Forget that fact....that the numbers do not justify their position.
Education to both the police and the African American community:
Police: African American believe they are taregted. So please be safe but senitive to their fears. Go the extra mile to be polite.
African americans: do not promote the agenda of some intent on civil war. Police are not targeting you. But their jobs are very difficult and dangerous....kindness and respect leads to much better outcomes. Be accountable to your action
The root cause is economic failings that need to be resolved.....
Long was a sergeant and a data network specialist, a Marines spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. His awards included the Iraq Campaign Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal.
He deployed to Iraq for seven months in June 2008, and spent most of his career assigned to Marine locations in Southern California.
In the latest installment of Long's podcast, "Convos With Cosmo," he talked about not backing down from a fight or argument. He discussed his time as a Marine in San Diego and an incident where he got into a dispute with his superiors and "did not back down." For this reason, he said he has been "blacklisted from getting employment since I got out of the Marines.
Dude was a raging asshole.
Link - ( New Window )
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Long served in the U.S. Marine Corps 2005-2010, including a deployment to Iraq, officials said.
Long was a sergeant and a data network specialist, a Marines spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. His awards included the Iraq Campaign Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal.
He deployed to Iraq for seven months in June 2008, and spent most of his career assigned to Marine locations in Southern California.
In the latest installment of Long's podcast, "Convos With Cosmo," he talked about not backing down from a fight or argument. He discussed his time as a Marine in San Diego and an incident where he got into a dispute with his superiors and "did not back down." For this reason, he said he has been "blacklisted from getting employment since I got out of the Marines.
Dude was a raging asshole. Link - ( New Window )
watching his latest video and looking at the websites he owns, he calls himself "alpha" quite a bit
BREAKING: Police spokesman says 2 "persons of interest" in the killing of 3 police officers have been detained near Baton Rouge.
he Associated Press @AP 4m4 minutes ago
Latest on police shot-Baton Rouge: Police spokesman says 2 "persons of interests" who were detained are released.
There's a video of a large group of protestors from July 10 chanting "what do we want? DEAD COPS When do we want it? NOW"
I'm not sure if it actually occurred on July 10, but it wasn't one or two people chanting it...
The numbers indicate a different reality.....
Black lives matter has a false narratives as it comes cops.....
Maybe direct it to economic disparity, family education etc.....which are justifyable issues
Police make mistakes
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He has a YouTube page that's still up under the name Cosmo Setepenra
If that is him, he was a racist psycho. He advocated violence, and said that protesting was useless.
He's sounds like a nut job. Did I hear it right he drove from KC to carry out the attack?
He was also in Dallas, apparently.
Would you get of here with that shit? How much longer are you going to continue peddling your agenda - despite taken to the woodshed each and every time by virtually every poster?
You sound like a moron.
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Postpone their protests for a while out of concern and respect for the fallen police officers. Maybe actually wait for the investigations to complete considering they were wrong about the Most notorious supposedly racist murders of Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and now Freddy Gray because they didn't wait for the investigations findings. Most don't even know that the deceased in Minnesota was shot by a Mexican American not a white cop who pulled him over because he looked like an armed robbery suspect from a cpl days earlier.
Would you get of here with that shit? How much longer are you going to continue peddling your agenda - despite taken to the woodshed each and every time by virtually every poster?
You sound like a moron.
I guess the PBA shouldn't expect a donation from you this year. Since your post was devoid of any facts or sane commentary let me educate you on. A few misconceptions the media pedaled to create this mess:
Mike brown- hands up don't shoot never happened, the entire premise BLM was built on was lie that even Obamas DOJ agreed according to the evidence. Brown was a strong armed robber who attacked a police officer.
Trayvon Martin was not a 12 year old boy killed by a white guy. A Hispanic goy shot a 17 year old 6ft 170 pound young man who according to the evidence in the trial attacked and was bashing the Hispanics head onto concrete. Jury ruled the Hispanic guy acted in self defense.
Freddie Gray - a black judge has acquitted every cop so far even the driver of the van and said there has been no evidence that the cops acted improperly.
You are the type that gets these threads deleted because you can't handle an opposing opinion because it makes you mad and you can't find your safe space so you lash out without any facts and just name call because that's all you have.
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Postpone their protests for a while out of concern and respect for the fallen police officers. Maybe actually wait for the investigations to complete considering they were wrong about the Most notorious supposedly racist murders of Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin and now Freddy Gray because they didn't wait for the investigations findings. Most don't even know that the deceased in Minnesota was shot by a Mexican American not a white cop who pulled him over because he looked like an armed robbery suspect from a cpl days earlier.
Would you get of here with that shit? How much longer are you going to continue peddling your agenda - despite taken to the woodshed each and every time by virtually every poster?
You sound like a moron.
I guess the PBA shouldn't expect a donation from you this year. Since your post was devoid of any facts or sane commentary let me educate you on. A few misconceptions the media pedaled to create this mess:
Mike brown- hands up don't shoot never happened, the entire premise BLM was built on was lie that even Obamas DOJ agreed according to the evidence. Brown was a strong armed robber who attacked a police officer.
Trayvon Martin was not a 12 year old boy killed by a white guy. A Hispanic goy shot a 17 year old 6ft 170 pound young man who according to the evidence in the trial attacked and was bashing the Hispanics head onto concrete. Jury ruled the Hispanic guy acted in self defense.
Freddie Gray - a black judge has acquitted every cop so far even the driver of the van and said there has been no evidence that the cops acted improperly.
You are the type that gets these threads deleted because you can't handle an opposing opinion because it makes you mad and you can't find your safe space so you lash out without any facts and just name call because that's all you have.
A lot of assumptions and thinly veiled anger.
The fact that you continue to hone in on the race of all participants in these events makes it pretty clear why you continue to miss the point.
Does pointing out that Zimmerman is Hispanic and, not white, change the fact that a grown man stalked and murdered a kid? A grown man that was specifically told not to engage by dispatch and did it anyway. A grown man that has since been the source of several violent incidents? That he was acquitted does not mean he's guilt free. But this has been discussed at length with here in the past and yet you continue to champion the cause. Shame on you.
The race of the participants is irrelevant. The problem is a schism between LEO and the communities in which they serve caused by an inordinate amount of shooting deaths. It's a complex subject that's partially due to race relations, sure, but more importantly to how we choose to police our communities and whether there is impartial, independent oversight in cases that invlove a discharged firearm. It's a legitimate concern. Not sure how anyone can argue that police officers investigating other police officers a) ensures transparency b) demands accountability c) engages the community in a way that that fosters an understanding of what and who is doing what and why.
Are you honestly trying to tell me that LEO haven't made terrible mistakes in the application of force? I can offer a list independent of the ones you cherry picked which any reasonable citizen would find repugnant. And that's only involving NYPD. That list is far longer if we include other parts of the country.
In the interest of disclosure, I have two police officers in the family. Best friend works in undercover narcotics and while I've never been a cop, I have worked in the city and state legislatures as a staffer, and worked specifically on this very issue. Oh, and Im a registered R.
So I'm not quite sure what the fuck you're getting at with your PBA and safe spaces comment, other than to be totally dismissive of opposing viewpoints.
Lastly, I continue to be surprised, and find it quite ironic how some on my side of the aisle love to champion police officers, tell us how difficult and dangerous their jobs are (indeed they are), take any criticism of LE as a personal affront, and yet unabashedly refuse to acknowledge how much more difficult the job is made by the proliferation of firearms and our inability to do anything about it.
Shameful.
If you want solve the problem of innocent cops getting killed, you need to evolve your thought processes. None of the cop killers are ever going to agree with you about those prior events. So hanging on to this self-declared righteousness (whether correct or not), ain't going to do anything to stop the killings. Ask yourself do you want to be "right" or create peace? Right now those two are not compatible.
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Why the heck is Zimmerman incident always seem to be mentioned and lumped together with police involved shooting incidents. That idiot was as much a cop as I am an NFL LB(even for the Giants
An Harvard Economist did a study on the use of force and seems to dispel the notion of the disproportionate use of lethal force. Disproportionate use of Force yes but not Lethal Force.
If you want to make a police officer's job easier let's get rid of the 4th, 5th , 6th amendments also. Cops signed up to uphold all the amendments no matter how difficult and dangerous it may be.
The way and style the media rushes to report incidents seems to me to help foster the feeling of injustice and outrage.
Police union
GOP candidate
The amount of media buzz
The trend in targeting police
The fact that some police there fit the bill for being a part of the existing problem.
A former coworker of mine is part of a police pipe band and they travel all over competing in events and playing in parades. His stories from Cleveland made it sound as if the large group of cops he hung out with over the 3 days were no better than low level criminals - parking on people's (who they didn't know) lawns to go to the bar in cop cars, showing off by pulling people over, blowing red lights by turning on the sirens, using their work vehicles to tour people around, drugs, driving drunk, hanging out with questionable characters, etc... I'd assume there is some serious animosity in parts of Cleveland.
Oh my god, Don Lemon was getting pummeled with logic and facts so he had to tap out and go to a break. He was getting killed by the Sheriff so he had to resort to trying to talk down to him and pretend the sheriff was off topic. Shocked CNN (BLM Cheer leading network) had him on. Probably will be the last time.
Its a must watch:
Are You Gonna Let Me Talk?: CNN Interview on Phony Movement Black Lives Matter Derails - ( New Window )
He also said he was part of the Nation of Islam and black separatist movements. But mainly he hated "crackers" and the police.
Police union
GOP candidate
The amount of media buzz
The trend in targeting police
The fact that some police there fit the bill for being a part of the existing problem.
A former coworker of mine is part of a police pipe band and they travel all over competing in events and playing in parades. His stories from Cleveland made it sound as if the large group of cops he hung out with over the 3 days were no better than low level criminals - parking on people's (who they didn't know) lawns to go to the bar in cop cars, showing off by pulling people over, blowing red lights by turning on the sirens, using their work vehicles to tour people around, drugs, driving drunk, hanging out with questionable characters, etc... I'd assume there is some serious animosity in parts of Cleveland.
There are bad cops everywhere, there are also good officers, and unfortunately the QA on hiring police is not to the standard it should be. The major issue with getting some head way on the issue is "good" cops need to let go of the don't snitch policy! A lot of people do not want to realize the police is very similar to a gang in that way. The 12 officers in NY that are trying to take a stand need more "good" officers to join their ranks. As well as the federal govt. putting a law in place that ANY time an officer fires his gun whether a kill is made or not needs to be investigated by the federal govt. No way are local DAs going to prosecute their own officers. Next there needs to be community policing. Officers need to live in the communities they serve. They need to live with the people not just OVERSEE them! The communities need the officers to care and see them as people and vice versa. As it stands now their fear and distrust from both sides is a cancer that is eating away at freedom, justice and the civil liberties of all people. Now the issue at the forefront is minorities are hit hardest. Which is truth but the bigger truth is the poor is hit the hardest. The media just sells more if it is turned into a racial issue, which is a big part but not the only part. As I have said before this is what made MLK Jr. great is addressed the BS can got all races to see yes there is injustice against minorities and people of color but also against the poor. Money is power and those with the money do not want to give it up. There is a larger issue example schooling in America is failing ... Why? Because jails are the new big business and jobs are being shipped overseas. Why spend money on educating when we can make money on locking them up. Then just send the jobs overseas and pay slave wages no health insurance and get tax breaks.
The powder is keg fuse is burning ... hopefully we the people can come together and put it out.
1st off what does dogs what to do with this? However the relationship with a person and his dog does not equal DAs and police offers. So that reach is a fail, try again.
We already pay for it with taxes. However we could easily just stop giving life long healthcare to politicians, less spending on weapon development and nuclear missile research, etc etc etc
If the shooting is legal and right what is the issue? Those that would really have fear of this is those that are shooting citizens illegally. However that is a big part of the issue "I feared for my life" is the ok it is a good shoot calling card. A true fact finding open and honest investigation should not be something a person that believes in the system wants to holdup the system should fear. If it does then that means they really should not be a police officer.
You said an investigation EVERY TIME and officer fires his/her weapon. NOT every time there is a human fatality. NOT every time there is a human injury. NOT every time the target is a human being. EVERY TIME. Any failure here is on your part.
Our taxes don't cover the cost for the extra personel DOJ would need to investigate on that scale.
Less than 1. But there are roughly 900,000 police officers in the US. If 5 in 100 fire their weapons in a year that's 45,000 investigations DOJ is responsible for annually.
They are professionals, and should be monitored professionally. Lawyers, accountants, doctors all have detailed oversight. When enough of these cases demonstrate responsible use, all of this mistrust will disappear.
They are professionals, and should be monitored professionally. Lawyers, accountants, doctors all have detailed oversight. When enough of these cases demonstrate responsible use, all of this mistrust will disappear.
Well as it stands now .... the reviews are not professional due to the investigators having a bias stance.
As for cameras they do help and are needed ... but as you can see ... departments now want to not give access to the footage ... they were defective ... they fell off .... blah blah ... So it still needs to be a separate 3rd party with no skin in the game to handle the reviews. Officers make sure that weapon is A1 ... they should as well with cameras ... but often that is not the case and most do not want them ... There is a reason they prefer to be cloaked.
However my point is the reviews and investigations NEED to be independent.
Why not the feds?
Lemon brought up a recent Harvard study to prove his point. When Clarke corrected him about the findings of the study, Lemon said something like "well that study only consisted of a small sample size and many people have discredited it"
Lemon is an idiot.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
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on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
So according to your comments, you are unhappy that innocent cops were found innocent by our judicial process and happy that riots occurred for reasons that were proven wrong by evidence?? Thats odd.