on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
So according to your comments, you are unhappy that innocent cops were found innocent by our judicial process and happy that riots occurred for reasons that were proven wrong by evidence?? Thats odd.
No, according to my comments you are a proven shithead racist.
RE: RE: Just announced: Officer Brian Rice found not guilty Â
on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
Charges were brought by an African-American prosecutor and the case was decided by an African-American judge. Are you saying the case was decided on the basis of race?
Why not the feds? Beside the 10th amendment and state vs federal powers, it is my belief that MOST matters are best handled at the lowest level of government as possible. Also, Really don't like anything that moves forward the notion of a national police force.
but not Federal oversight. We do have the 10th Amendment for a reason. If you worry about impartiality /too cozy DA-Police relationship use a DA from outside the area or maybe the STATE AG not the Feds.
Lemon brought up a recent Harvard study to prove his point. When Clarke corrected him about the findings of the study, Lemon said something like "well that study only consisted of a small sample size and many people have discredited it"
Lemon is an idiot.
To be fair, the part of the study that says use of catastrophic force doesn't involve implicit bias is based on a small sample of just 1 city (Houston). The part that says most uses of forces do involve implicit bias uses a larger sample.
RE: Just announced: Officer Brian Rice found not guilty Â
on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
So you and many others understand that BLM is not in existence because of those 2 cases. BLM is in existence because for decades they has been issues and hundreds of cases of police abuse in minority areas. The issues are and have been substantiated in various studies involving various departments. The FBI in 2006 for instance stated that there are many police departments in the U.S. That have been and are being infiltrated by white supremacist.
To write off the feelings and dismiss the issues that BLM raises out of hand as illegitimate because of Mike Brown and Freddy Gray is very shortsighted at best. That kind of attitude will only perpetuate the toxic conditions that exist. For every Mike Browns there are very legit bad crap that have happen to people of color that are not criminals, go look at the Diallo case. Freddy Gray's cops getting off because of a lack of evidence to convict is not the same as saying they did nothing wrong, after all his spine was severed.
Most people of color that I have met are not anti-police. Quite the opposite has been true. What I have often been told is, I don't want a crack head at my door step, I also don't want to be treated like the crack head by the guys I called in to have him removed. Too often cops (black, white, other) are going in with pre-conceive notions. Not too long ago a Police captain in the NYPD got in trouble because he was over heard and quoted by reporters during a riot in Brooklyn by hassidic Jews, that if this was bed stuy or crown heights they would have gotten the OK to crack some heads a while ago. Think about that for a second. A Jewish community is in full scale riot and turning over cars and damaging property but the response if different. Do you really think the AA community if not paying attention to these events.
If you think the BLM movement is just a response to a handful of events and not about systemic issues and problems that exist around law enforcement then you are completely missing the boat on what is bothering a significant portion of Americans.
Forget that fact....that the numbers do not justify their position.
Education to both the police and the African American community:
Police: African American believe they are taregted. So please be safe but senitive to their fears. Go the extra mile to be polite.
African americans: do not promote the agenda of some intent on civil war. Police are not targeting you. But their jobs are very difficult and dangerous....kindness and respect leads to much better outcomes. Be accountable to your action
The root cause is economic failings that need to be resolved.....
This post is very condescending and offensive. DO you really think all black want from the cops is more politeness from cops? That is so dismissive of the issues that people are facing.
To say protest to what is clearly a riot. This is what makes Latinos and AAs question the difference in treatment by the police and how the media portrays racial issues
1) Being innocent within the law doesn't necessarily mean the shootings were an "appropriate" action. I believe some of the standards need to change. As an example, I'm not a big fan of stand your ground laws.
2) I would hope no one would be pleased or pissed at the ruling. It's justice under the law.
3) People have no right to tell another person when they should or shouldn't be offended or angry. Like most here, I have lived life as a middle class white guy. I have no clue what it's like to be an inner city minority.
4) I hope Montrell Jackson's words are repeated over and over and he becomes a symbol that is used to help heal the wounds.
5) Jackson's go fund me account has $63K. Let's hope the officer's families and seeing similar support
1) Being innocent within the law doesn't necessarily mean the shootings were an "appropriate" action. I believe some of the standards need to change. As an example, I'm not a big fan of stand your ground laws.
I assume you're talking about private citizens and not the police.
Do you mean inside one's home or just in public places?
the police get a lot of latitude on using deadly force from a legal perspective. It's tough to meet the standard for criminal behavior. It is too much? Perhaps, in some cases.
Stand your ground goes too far, IMO. I am referring to public space not your home. There have been cases where there were unnecessary shootings in a home but it is sacred space.
Right to defend yourself in your home already protected by Â
but not Federal oversight. We do have the 10th Amendment for a reason. If you worry about impartiality /too cozy DA-Police relationship use a DA from outside the area or maybe the STATE AG not the Feds.
Why not the feds?
Why not local DAs?
As stated previously local DAs and local police officers work in the same pool ... there is obvious bias.
Hey no one cares until it homes then there is a different perspective.
“In order to proceed with perjury charges, we must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Tolbert's testimony on July 13, 2010, was false. There were only three witnesses to the drawing of the sketch in question. Two of them, Davontae Sanford and James T‎olbert are unavailable to us. The third person is Sgt. Michael Russell, and his testimony does not support a perjury charge. The bottom line is that there is an important legal distinction between acting on evidence that undermines a conviction, and proving beyond a reasonable doubt that someone has committed perjury,”
have no problem prosecuting officers. Even if prosecutors are unbiased, it looks awful as they work hand in hand with the police on a daily basis. They tend to hate special prosecutors, but I think transparency is the right way to go.
The DoJ is different... they have local offices and the DC headquarters. Local offices are much more hesitant to prosecute officers than the DC guys are. There was an article about this very thing (DoJ) in the Times (last week I think?) in regards to the Eric Garner case.
have no problem prosecuting officers. Even if prosecutors are unbiased, it looks awful as they work hand in hand with the police on a daily basis. They tend to hate special prosecutors, but I think transparency is the right way to go.
The DoJ is different... they have local offices and the DC headquarters. Local offices are much more hesitant to prosecute officers than the DC guys are. There was an article about this very thing (DoJ) in the Times (last week I think?) in regards to the Eric Garner case.
I'd say this varies by jurisdiction. The Baltimore DA sure didn't have a problem bringing charges.
should be fucking embarrassed and fired from CNN (even though we all know why he wont be). After being eviscarated by Clarke last night, he tries to rip him after his speech - and all of his fellow commentators are basically dismissing Lemon.
on providing incorrect data and dep thinks he's a loser.
What's the O/U on how many times he mentions Lemon? I think he's up to 20. Lemon is the anti-Eli
hey cunt, you beg eric to let you post your bullshit? this is the 2nd time i brought him up, both times when he embarrassed himself. but cute Eli reference. makes no sense, but that is not surprising with you. now please go fuck yourself kindly. you're obsession with me is scary now.
You're accusing someone of being obsessed? Hahahah Take a deep breath already. I'll return to ignoring you.
when you ignore someone... you sure bring me up a lot. Its cute, much like a high school crush. you did it as soon as you came back last year, and now doing it again.
You know what an obession is? Reading posts from me on one board which you were banned from and posting on an entirely different board about me. Thats some fucked up obsession you have.
Dont know why eric let you back. He should have told you to go fuck yourself like pretty much everyone else does.
yes you fucking moron. You read posts from me on here when you were banned, and posted them on Flounder's board. You know how pathetic that is? Well I am sure you do, you look in the mirror every day.
We all know you know shit about football.
We all know you stir the pot whenever you can.
You have a sick obsession with me (ill be glad to post the threads you made from Flounders board when were BANNED from here.
Seriously, I am starting to feel sorry for you. I am actually surprised you have survived this long here. Must be one hell of a "donation" you gave Eric.
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on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
So according to your comments, you are unhappy that innocent cops were found innocent by our judicial process and happy that riots occurred for reasons that were proven wrong by evidence?? Thats odd.
No, according to my comments you are a proven shithead racist.
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on all charges in Freddie Gray trial by Judge Barry Williams. He is the third officer found not guilty by this judge who happens to be African American. No evidence that the officers did anything wrong to cause Gray's injuries.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
I'm sure you've already ordered the champagne and party favors for tonight.
Charges were brought by an African-American prosecutor and the case was decided by an African-American judge. Are you saying the case was decided on the basis of race?
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but not Federal oversight. We do have the 10th Amendment for a reason. If you worry about impartiality /too cozy DA-Police relationship use a DA from outside the area or maybe the STATE AG not the Feds.
Why not the feds?
Why not local DAs?
Lemon brought up a recent Harvard study to prove his point. When Clarke corrected him about the findings of the study, Lemon said something like "well that study only consisted of a small sample size and many people have discredited it"
Lemon is an idiot.
To be fair, the part of the study that says use of catastrophic force doesn't involve implicit bias is based on a small sample of just 1 city (Houston). The part that says most uses of forces do involve implicit bias uses a larger sample.
So the two cases that were the the catalyst for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and is the major reason for the rise of BLM, the officers in those cases were found not guilty according to the evidence.
So you and many others understand that BLM is not in existence because of those 2 cases. BLM is in existence because for decades they has been issues and hundreds of cases of police abuse in minority areas. The issues are and have been substantiated in various studies involving various departments. The FBI in 2006 for instance stated that there are many police departments in the U.S. That have been and are being infiltrated by white supremacist.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/5/21/1384553/-2006-FBI-Report-on-White-Infiltration-of-Law-Enforcement-You-Will-Be-Assimilated
To write off the feelings and dismiss the issues that BLM raises out of hand as illegitimate because of Mike Brown and Freddy Gray is very shortsighted at best. That kind of attitude will only perpetuate the toxic conditions that exist. For every Mike Browns there are very legit bad crap that have happen to people of color that are not criminals, go look at the Diallo case. Freddy Gray's cops getting off because of a lack of evidence to convict is not the same as saying they did nothing wrong, after all his spine was severed.
Most people of color that I have met are not anti-police. Quite the opposite has been true. What I have often been told is, I don't want a crack head at my door step, I also don't want to be treated like the crack head by the guys I called in to have him removed. Too often cops (black, white, other) are going in with pre-conceive notions. Not too long ago a Police captain in the NYPD got in trouble because he was over heard and quoted by reporters during a riot in Brooklyn by hassidic Jews, that if this was bed stuy or crown heights they would have gotten the OK to crack some heads a while ago. Think about that for a second. A Jewish community is in full scale riot and turning over cars and damaging property but the response if different. Do you really think the AA community if not paying attention to these events.
If you think the BLM movement is just a response to a handful of events and not about systemic issues and problems that exist around law enforcement then you are completely missing the boat on what is bothering a significant portion of Americans.
Not sure whether you've seen it, as I've been hidden away in my safe zone all morning sipping on my juice box.
Forget that fact....that the numbers do not justify their position.
Education to both the police and the African American community:
Police: African American believe they are taregted. So please be safe but senitive to their fears. Go the extra mile to be polite.
African americans: do not promote the agenda of some intent on civil war. Police are not targeting you. But their jobs are very difficult and dangerous....kindness and respect leads to much better outcomes. Be accountable to your action
The root cause is economic failings that need to be resolved.....
This post is very condescending and offensive. DO you really think all black want from the cops is more politeness from cops? That is so dismissive of the issues that people are facing.
Yes it did happen . Lived not too far away and it was hundreds of people.
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Cars overturned and on fire? I don't recall hearing about that in the media.
Yes it did happen . Lived not too far away and it was hundreds of people. Link - ( New Window )
OK. I was expecting something more recent and hadn't seen anything.
2) I would hope no one would be pleased or pissed at the ruling. It's justice under the law.
3) People have no right to tell another person when they should or shouldn't be offended or angry. Like most here, I have lived life as a middle class white guy. I have no clue what it's like to be an inner city minority.
4) I hope Montrell Jackson's words are repeated over and over and he becomes a symbol that is used to help heal the wounds.
5) Jackson's go fund me account has $63K. Let's hope the officer's families and seeing similar support
I assume you're talking about private citizens and not the police.
Do you mean inside one's home or just in public places?
Stand your ground goes too far, IMO. I am referring to public space not your home. There have been cases where there were unnecessary shootings in a home but it is sacred space.
The castle doctrine and stand your ground are virtually the same.
Why the Zimmerman team put in a self defense plea.
He would be sitting in jail if the tried to use castle or stand your ground as a defense. Yes, in some states castle can be applied outside the home.
Why you need to be familiar with each states laws because they are different.
In a discussion, both sides could be correct because they are talking about different states.
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but not Federal oversight. We do have the 10th Amendment for a reason. If you worry about impartiality /too cozy DA-Police relationship use a DA from outside the area or maybe the STATE AG not the Feds.
Why not the feds?
Why not local DAs?
As stated previously local DAs and local police officers work in the same pool ... there is obvious bias.
Hey no one cares until it homes then there is a different perspective.
https://www.facebook.com/paulatutmanlocal4/videos/476466122542224/
“In order to proceed with perjury charges, we must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Tolbert's testimony on July 13, 2010, was false. There were only three witnesses to the drawing of the sketch in question. Two of them, Davontae Sanford and James T‎olbert are unavailable to us. The third person is Sgt. Michael Russell, and his testimony does not support a perjury charge. The bottom line is that there is an important legal distinction between acting on evidence that undermines a conviction, and proving beyond a reasonable doubt that someone has committed perjury,”
and the shootings are the results.
The DoJ is different... they have local offices and the DC headquarters. Local offices are much more hesitant to prosecute officers than the DC guys are. There was an article about this very thing (DoJ) in the Times (last week I think?) in regards to the Eric Garner case.
The DoJ is different... they have local offices and the DC headquarters. Local offices are much more hesitant to prosecute officers than the DC guys are. There was an article about this very thing (DoJ) in the Times (last week I think?) in regards to the Eric Garner case.
I'd say this varies by jurisdiction. The Baltimore DA sure didn't have a problem bringing charges.
How about clean cops?
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They have to run for reelection. Good luck winning if you're perceived as protecting dirty cops
How about clean cops?
Depends on the jurisdiction.
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They have to run for reelection. Good luck winning if you're perceived as protecting dirty cops
How about clean cops?
Why would you need to protect clean cops?
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They have to run for reelection. Good luck winning if you're perceived as protecting dirty cops
How about clean cops?
Depends on the jurisdiction.
I know that. I would think upstate is considerably different.
What a schmuck.
He's more respected than the idiot Don lemon.
What's the O/U on how many times he mentions Lemon? I think he's up to 20. Lemon is the anti-Eli
What's the O/U on how many times he mentions Lemon? I think he's up to 20. Lemon is the anti-Eli
hey cunt, you beg eric to let you post your bullshit? this is the 2nd time i brought him up, both times when he embarrassed himself. but cute Eli reference. makes no sense, but that is not surprising with you. now please go fuck yourself kindly. you're obsession with me is scary now.
when you ignore someone... you sure bring me up a lot. Its cute, much like a high school crush. you did it as soon as you came back last year, and now doing it again.
You know what an obession is? Reading posts from me on one board which you were banned from and posting on an entirely different board about me. Thats some fucked up obsession you have.
Dont know why eric let you back. He should have told you to go fuck yourself like pretty much everyone else does.
Plenty of grade school children pics on Facebook to occupy your time there "ap"
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You're accusing someone of being obsessed? Hahahah Take a deep breath already. I'll return to ignoring you.
Plenty of grade school children pics on Facebook to occupy your time there "ap"
he's better known as barkillo.
yes you fucking moron. You read posts from me on here when you were banned, and posted them on Flounder's board. You know how pathetic that is? Well I am sure you do, you look in the mirror every day.
We all know you know shit about football.
We all know you stir the pot whenever you can.
You have a sick obsession with me (ill be glad to post the threads you made from Flounders board when were BANNED from here.
Seriously, I am starting to feel sorry for you. I am actually surprised you have survived this long here. Must be one hell of a "donation" you gave Eric.