Todays FF discussion

but that's without knowing anything right now about Charles. Draft as close to the start of the season as possible.

were? Just wondering if you're stacking ADP and looking at the 4 or 5 players you expect available after 9.

if it was i'd go Charles. If not i'd be leery. I envision Charles getting a lot less burn this season, especially early on. First off he's coming off injury and getting up there and second, the Chiefs have good RBs behind him and lastly, the Chiefs will want to save Charles for the stretch run/postseason. It would behoove them to ease Charles in. In PPR leagues Charles will still carry value but I am not so sure he's worth a high investment in non ppr leagues.

I'd stay far far away from Dez at pick 10. Honestly I pray I don't pick 10th unless a guy like Julio, Beckham or a safe RB makes it that far, which is doubtful.

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In comment 13036617 djm said:

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if it was i'd go Charles. If not i'd be leery. I envision Charles getting a lot less burn this season, especially early on. First off he's coming off injury and getting up there and second, the Chiefs have good RBs behind him and lastly, the Chiefs will want to save Charles for the stretch run/postseason. It would behoove them to ease Charles in. In PPR leagues Charles will still carry value but I am not so sure he's worth a high investment in non ppr leagues. I'd stay far far away from Dez at pick 10. Honestly I pray I don't pick 10th unless a guy like Julio, Beckham or a safe RB makes it that far, which is doubtful.

agree on pick 10. Normally I don't like early picks either. I like picking in the middle, but this year I wouldn't mind picking 1 - 3. I'd get a stud WR and on the way back either another good WR or a good RB. Like Beckham and Cooks.

Alot of hype with Aj green this season because of the departure of sanu and jones. But i don't Dalton. Although i do have eifrt rated veryy highly despite his injury because of his redzone abilities.

Charles i think will do very well. His two back ups started out hot but then both fizzled. He'll be great in PPR but even in standard i would def take him at 10.

he's still a bad ass RB and from all accounts is doing just fine. He was elite the following year after his first ACL injury.

I still believe the days of Charles finishing the year as the clear cut #1 RB are gone, but he should still serve as a fine #1 RB in both standard and ppr leagues. It's pick 10, so it's not a reach at all. Nabbing Charles and a guy like Gronk or Green would work there back to back.

You have to take at least one guy without a history of injury, Green will put up solid numbers. Fair to say 80 catches for 1300 yards and ten TDs is expected? Maybe he stretches them somewhat. Charles has lots of upside althoug Miller might be the safe pick. I just don't like gronk in R1/start of R2. Remember Jordan Reed helped lots of guys win leagues last year. He was a pick up in my league. there are other good TEs you can get next time around at end of third.

then miller/Robinson.

With the 1st pick in both league's that im in. Most likely going AB in the ppr one. But in standard im not sure what direction to go. After that OBJ highlight video that got posted im thinking of just taking him #1 overall so i dont cringe every time he catches a td for someone else this season.

In comment 13036651 muhajir said:

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With the 1st pick in both league's that im in. Most likely going AB in the ppr one. But in standard im not sure what direction to go. After that OBJ highlight video that got posted im thinking of just taking him #1 overall so i dont cringe every time he catches a td for someone else this season.

AB is almost consensus #1 in all formats, but I'd be so tempted to take Beckham with my heart not head and not care. In the end I don't think their numbers will be too far apart.

In comment 13036668 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13036651 muhajir said: Quote: With the 1st pick in both league's that im in. Most likely going AB in the ppr one. But in standard im not sure what direction to go. After that OBJ highlight video that got posted im thinking of just taking him #1 overall so i dont cringe every time he catches a td for someone else this season. AB is almost consensus #1 in all formats, but I'd be so tempted to take Beckham with my heart not head and not care. In the end I don't think their numbers will be too far apart.

Yes.. thats my thinking. Plus last yr i passed on OBJ for Cobb in the 2nd rd thinking that with Nelson out, Cobb was going to see a million targets. Tried to think with my head and not fandom. Turned out to be a horrific move. So i really dont want to miss out on OBJ again. Ill see how pre-season goes. Bell and DJ are also strong possibilities if not OBJ/AB at 1

I tend to avoid them. If they go off and have record years, it probably means they are doing well, and thats more enjoyable. If they stink, well its a double whammy.

Now if he slips to the end of round 1, thats different. But I would choose Brown and Jones over Beckham.

In comment 13036695 dep026 said:

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I tend to avoid them. If they go off and have record years, it probably means they are doing well, and thats more enjoyable. If they stink, well its a double whammy. Now if he slips to the end of round 1, thats different. But I would choose Brown and Jones over Beckham.

I'd probably take Brown over him, Jones I think I'd give the edge to Beckham.

I usually just try and draft almost a BPA approach where if the Giants player is legit BPA I take them. I don't avoid Cowboys or Eagles or Redskins like some people do, I hate hearing that. But also kind of like it if they're in my league.

certain guys though, like Beckham, that are a threat to score from almost anywhere on the field every time they get the ball I try and get on my team.

I only take Giants that slip to the point where it's hardly even a draft pick. I take Eli almost every year because he can be had in round 10. It's laughable. He's a top 10 FF QB year in year out and the 3rd best QB is typically about 10-20 pts better than the 10th best QB. Getting Eli that late is a bargain with no risk at all.

I used to take Toomer late too. No risk. I probably won't touch Beckham this season for reasons you mentioned. It's just not worth it. I'd rather let someone else take him.

as he was last year.

In comment 13036679 muhajir said:

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Yes.. thats my thinking. Plus last yr i passed on OBJ for Cobb in the 2nd rd thinking that with Nelson out, Cobb was going to see a million targets.

Wait... Beckham last until the 2nd round? And you took Randall fucking Cobb over him? Wowzer....haha

that's just gross. I took Cobb in round 3 or 4 and hated it but I didn't pass on Beckham.

My worst mistake that haunted me all year was drafting Bell with the first overall pick. He would have been fine but got hurt and then I lost Edelman, Eifert, and another front line starter whose name escapes me. I hung on for dear life and made the playoffs then lost despite scoring 90 that week. If I took Peterson, the safe pick, I probably make the finals.

You can only overcome so many injuries, especially to your front line players.

In comment 13036728 djm said:

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that's just gross. I took Cobb in round 3 or 4 and hated it but I didn't pass on Beckham. My worst mistake that haunted me all year was drafting Bell with the first overall pick. He would have been fine but got hurt and then I lost Edelman, Eifert, and another front line starter whose name escapes me. I hung on for dear life and made the playoffs then lost despite scoring 90 that week. If I took Peterson, the safe pick, I probably make the finals. You can only overcome so many injuries, especially to your front line players.

I drafted Bell overall number 1. Foster in the 3rd round. Hyde in the 6th round. I was forced with Lamar Miller being underutilized and rotating shit backs. Definitely not fun.

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i took miller in the 4th and hyde in the 5th. I took foster in 8th knowing he was injured.

Dez scares me with the foot injuries.

in a 10 team, ppr league. (I pick 8th.) Would you?

In comment 13036761 davek3698 said:

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in a 10 team, ppr league. (I pick 8th.) Would you?

What do you have to give up to keep them? Who are your other keeper options?

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In comment 13036679 muhajir said: Quote: Yes.. thats my thinking. Plus last yr i passed on OBJ for Cobb in the 2nd rd thinking that with Nelson out, Cobb was going to see a million targets. Wait... Beckham last until the 2nd round? And you took Randall fucking Cobb over him? Wowzer....haha

Lol.. yea. At the time Obj had to share target's with randle and cruz (this was before cruz went on to miss the entire yr). And Cobb had a better Oline, better Qb, better offense, and a bunch of no names at wr and TE after nelson went out. Figured hed get his normal share, plus at least 50% of what Nelson used to give them. I envisioned Cobb making the leap that Hopkins did and gambled on him. Then he had that 3 td game like week 2 and i was going to break my arm patting myself on the back that night. He went on to suck balls all yr. While the guy who took obj the very next pic giggled all yr.

and JC. Though for some reason, JC has been falling in my mock drafts to the 2nd round. Dez has so many ????'s. Will Romo stay healthy? will he stay healthy? Gronk is losing Brady. AJ is going to get a ton of work. 10/11 is to early for Miller. It's still unknown if he can be an every down back.

in a standard format.

It would cost my 3rd and 4th round pick. I have nobody else of note really worth it, besides those two. Worth it? Thanks.

In comment 13036841 davek3698 said:

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It would cost my 3rd and 4th round pick. I have nobody else of note really worth it, besides those two. Worth it? Thanks.

Yes probably, but are top 40 players, IMO.

after a few years of sucking. Not sure he'll repeat. Though probably still a top 40 pick. Ingram is a definite keeper at that price if he stays healthy.

You may be hurting for RBs, and it depends on the structure of your league, but AJ and Gronk is where I go with those 2 picks. Best TE by far, and a top 5 WR.

as well. I just don't trust Dez' injury and his ceiling isn't that much higher than Green's at this point.

Even if Gronk had Brady for a full season. I just can't do it.

Gronk at 10/11. his ADP is 9.

In comment 13036998 pjcas18 said:

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Gronk at 10/11. his ADP is 9.

That's just silly. If you can get a RB like Davonta Freeman or a WR like AJ Green who both scored more points than Gronk last year, why wouldn't you? You can pick up Jordan Reed at a better value later in the draft.

as reasoning is silly.

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as reasoning is silly.

His ADP was not the reason to take him, only evidence that a significant portion of the population does not consider it too early to take a TE as you do.

In comment 13037009 leatherneck570 said:

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In comment 13036998 pjcas18 said: Quote: Gronk at 10/11. his ADP is 9. That's just silly. If you can get a RB like Davonta Freeman or a WR like AJ Green who both scored more points than Gronk last year, why wouldn't you? You can pick up Jordan Reed at a better value later in the draft.

Jordan Reed is made of glass. This can really go both ways. I can see not wanting to spend a premium pick on a TE, but he has so much better than nearly every other TE (and more consistent), and there's something to be said about winning that position in your H2H match every week, usually by a landslide.

But still had 11 TD's last year.

Looks like jimmy graham 2.0. Due for a healthy season too. Def will grab him if hes there in the 4th. If not then Eifrt in the 5th

he's 1 concussion away from either the season or his career ending. I hate typing that because I really like him as a player, you have to take injuries like that into the equation, IMO. He's also likely to get drafted much higher than he should.

Thats a guy I would not reach for. I was fortunate enough in that no one even drafted him last year in my main league and I picked him up immediately after because I drafted Gates in one of the last rounds who was suspended for the first 4 games. Wound up with the best TE tandem in the league and the cost was essentially nothing pick-wise.

I'm not going to get a repeat of that this year but I feel like in most leagues, someone is going to reach for Reed and overdraft him. I don't want to be that team.

Knowing he was out for the first few weeks. I can't even remember who else I drafted to mitigate his status, maybe Donnell? I ended up signing eifert week 2 or 3 so I was set until his injury later on that year forced me to go Thomas. I ended up just fine but hoping that happens again is risky. I hate taking TEs early in typical leagues but also can't ignore the position. I just might go Julius Thomas again but he may be drafted earlier this year? He not hurt.

He could probably be had pretty late in the drafts I'd think? Maybe a nice combo taking Thomas and eifert back to back rounds --- could you get them both in rounds 7-8-9 or so?

and there have to be more choices. No way that Lamar Miller should even be in the conversation at #10.

I would rather have Gurley for example

In comment 13037370 EricJ said:

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and there have to be more choices. No way that Lamar Miller should even be in the conversation at #10. I would rather have Gurley for example

Miller is going to be a stud this year. I rather him than Elliot. If its PPR, I may take him over both AP and Gurley.

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and there have to be more choices. No way that Lamar Miller should even be in the conversation at #10. I would rather have Gurley for example

Then you better be picking higher than 10, because Gurley's ADP is 6.

chances are Gurley won't be around at 10 in a standard league.

In comment 13037470 leatherneck570 said:

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chances are Gurley won't be around at 10 in a standard league.

6 is his PPR ADP. I'd guess it's higher in a standard. I'd also guess that there is 0 chance Gurley is around at 10 in a standard format.

AB
Julio
OBJ
Bell
Gurley/David Johnson