top prospect Alex Reyes sat 102 for an inning last week, Red Sox prospect Michael Kopech reportedly hit 105 but word is that number came from the Sox but he's legit touched 103.
I haven't seen anything that says the number came from the Sox. What I saw reported and discussed was that the number came from several handhelds in the crowd and not the official, technically better gun.
top prospect Alex Reyes sat 102 for an inning last week, Red Sox prospect Michael Kopech reportedly hit 105 but word is that number came from the Sox but he's legit touched 103.
I haven't seen anything that says the number came from the Sox. What I saw reported and discussed was that the number came from several handhelds in the crowd and not the official, technically better gun.
Bill,
I'm not a Sox hater but I can tell you a non-biased well respected source told me that number came directly from the Sox. He also noted Kopech is absolutely despised in the clubhouse and that the Sox are heavily concerned with his involvement in an upcoming reality show.
"Oh that is a Sox leak
He's been 103
But only they reported the 105, and it isn't like there wouldn't be a million scouts on that team pre-deadline But Sox work the prospect media better than anyone
Though Houston is making ground there)"
Like I said, I have nothing at all against the Red Sox. I'm a Mets fan. Just reporting what I was told.
And I absolutely believe that Kopech is a giant dick. Everything that he's done so far in his career suggests that.
He was 18, did some stupid things, I always struggle with being critical of the young guys. I know at 18/19 years old the biggest question in my life was what stupid thing would I do next.
The talent is there if he can control the walks, which is probably fixable
Chapman looks like he's more concerned with throwing hard than pitching well. His control is all over the place and you can see he's just trying to throw as hard as he can. Really hope he gets traded.
that anyone is going to offer the Yankees enough for Chapman to outset the likely extra 1st round draft pick they'll get for him. IMHO
That is partially off-set by the piece being ready to contribute sooner. Yankees land a B+ prospect or two that are able to help within the next 12 months that's a bigger return than a 1st round pick that won't be drafted until this time next season, won't be playing a full slate of games until 2018 and at best takes 1.5 years to help post being drafted.
I feel like some Yankees fans never saw Chapman pitch before this year Â
Always a small sample size with closers, especially this year for Chapman, but compared to arguably his best season in 2012 - Chapman is actually walking batters at a lesser rate and he's throwing around the same number of pitches per appearance.
Most other stats are on par with the rest of his career Only his strikeout rate is down, compared to previous years - and that could be fixed in a couple of games with his stuff.
cmon, no one's prospects are more consistently overhyped than the Sawx Â
Their propaganda machine puts the '90s Yankees to shame.
not lately. used to agree and it used to be true, but Betts, Bogearts, Bradley are all legit (though it took Bradley a while).
Moncada and Benitendi are also pretty close to "can't miss" if they stay healthy.
I'm less sold on Devers than others, and Kopech who knows, he's not that hyped other than his velocity which is legit, I mean if they say he threw 105, and everyone else has him at 103 is that the Sox over-hyping a prospect? a starting pitcher at 20 years old throwing 103 mph is pretty amazing. He doesn't have great command though.
RE: RE: cmon, no one's prospects are more consistently overhyped than the Sawx Â
Their propaganda machine puts the '90s Yankees to shame.
Out of curiousity, which ones do you feel are overihyped right now? Moncada, Benintendi? I'm trying to get a feel for their true valuation.
Not trying to speak for Greg, but I'm not sure he's talking about the current crop. We don't know yet if they are overhyped. But in the past, they absolutely have had a million of them overhyped. It's tough to say anyone is overhyped until we actually see them perform at the major league level.
RE: RE: RE: cmon, no one's prospects are more consistently overhyped than the Sawx Â
Their propaganda machine puts the '90s Yankees to shame.
Out of curiousity, which ones do you feel are overihyped right now? Moncada, Benintendi? I'm trying to get a feel for their true valuation.
Not trying to speak for Greg, but I'm not sure he's talking about the current crop. We don't know yet if they are overhyped. But in the past, they absolutely have had a million of them overhyped. It's tough to say anyone is overhyped until we actually see them perform at the major league level.
What do you think about pj's list then, that would be the past crop (Bogaerts, Betts, Bradley, Shaw). I'm not sold on Bradley completely and I think Shaw is playing above his ability. But Shaw wasn't hyped at all.
yes, Bradley shows what the wonders of Dominican pharmacology Â
can do....I'm sure he will praise Shrek for the rest of his life. It's totally normal for a guy to suck ass for three years and then turn into prime Dale Murphy at the plate. Happens every year. Also totally normal for a 40 year fat fuck to have a career year at the plate. That happens all the time, too.
RE: yes, Bradley shows what the wonders of Dominican pharmacology Â
can do....I'm sure he will praise Shrek for the rest of his life. It's totally normal for a guy to suck ass for three years and then turn into prime Dale Murphy at the plate. Happens every year. Also totally normal for a 40 year fat fuck to have a career year at the plate. That happens all the time, too.
Hate to agree with Greg, but this is the full Barry Bonds effect in play here.
in the minors at mid-season last year. I'm not sure who was from the Dominican in Pawtucket at that time. Does it need to be the Domincan? They had a guy form Cuba and I think one or two from Puerto Rico.
It's not the teams anymore even hyping prospects Â
Comp picks are nice, but they're around 50/50 to get to the majors. A top 100 prospect is no sure thing, but the substantial majority will at least taste the bigs and a great many of them will make an impact when they do.
RE: It's not the teams anymore even hyping prospects Â
it all comes from BA, MLB, Baseball Prospectus, etc.
maybe they are shills for various teams, I don't know, but I don't think hype is reliant as much on teams anymore as it is the network.
Yes teams do. They give access, they whisper in the ears of national writers, they get the beat guys beating the drum. The Yanks did it very well years ago, they still do to an extent (everything but access), but the Sox have long been the masters.
it all comes from BA, MLB, Baseball Prospectus, etc.
maybe they are shills for various teams, I don't know, but I don't think hype is reliant as much on teams anymore as it is the network.
Yes teams do. They give access, they whisper in the ears of national writers, they get the beat guys beating the drum. The Yanks did it very well years ago, they still do to an extent (everything but access), but the Sox have long been the masters.
How much of an impact does it have on the rankings which seem almost paramount at this point - and the numbers to support them. Maybe a year in the back end of the top 100?
It just seems like prospect rankings these days from the Keith Law's to the BA and BP people are almost formulaic.
Like you said, a substantial majority of top 100 prospects will make it to the majors now and a good portion will have an impact. that wasn't necessarily the case a few short years ago.
wonder the Astros now have a rep of prospect overhypers...they have one of the top prospect writers working for them since 2012... someone with ties to both BA and BP.
I subscribe to Pinstripes Plus, and the Yankees were high on guys like Greg Bird and Jake Cave before they were even playing regularly in the low minors. Nobody in the national media was talking about them. Anderson Espinoza and Bogaerts were hyped before they started playing regularly because the scouts were already whispering in ears before they made it stateside. Guys like Dermis and Wilkerman Garcia would have. Even all over the national press if they were Sox because of how they orchestrate coverage at the low levels.
he's only 22, so still time, but how is that not over-hyped?
What happened to Tyler Austin, Slade Heathcott, Luis Severino, Manny Banuelos, Mason Williams....those are just Yankees prospects I heard about but haven't seen much from that (at the major league level - and it could just be I don't follow them so I don't see it)
don't want to seem like I'm defending the Red Sox either, I'm not I hate the Red Sox, I just don't think they still hype their prospects and if they do, that it means much - especially in a trade, like it once may have and the world was a much larger place without the benefit of the information easily available to us in 2016.
Their abilities and potential merely fantasy? I'm not sure I would agree with that.
No they're talented kids, that's not the point. The point is we hear about them first because the team bends the ear of the prospect guru crowd. And they did it with some duds along the way too.
RE: Even lately the Yankees more hyped prospects Â
he's only 22, so still time, but how is that not over-hyped?
What happened to Tyler Austin, Slade Heathcott, Luis Severino, Manny Banuelos, Mason Williams....those are just Yankees prospects I heard about but haven't seen much from that (at the major league level - and it could just be I don't follow them so I don't see it)
don't want to seem like I'm defending the Red Sox either, I'm not I hate the Red Sox, I just don't think they still hype their prospects and if they do, that it means much - especially in a trade, like it once may have and the world was a much larger place without the benefit of the information easily available to us in 2016.
Sanchez is still there and should be a big leaguer. You heard about him like Sano and Michael Ynoa because he got a record bonus. As for the other guys, it's a mix of injury and underperformance. Some are still in the pipeline, ManBan has moved on, but they were hyped because they were NYY's anointed next big thing, and for a team with their press corps that makes them a big deal.
Seeing Chapman live is what impressed me most. His velocity is amazing
Agreed. It is one thing to read about it. It is on a whole other level not only to see it live, but to see it on almost every pitch. Betances and Miller throw hard, and he makes them look like nothing.
Just commented on the Kopech story. The 105 apparently came from one of the Red Sox players charting the game (his own manager noted this, ex-Red Joe Oliver) and not a scout. Scouts still had him 94-100.
Just commented on the Kopech story. The 105 apparently came from one of the Red Sox players charting the game (his own manager noted this, ex-Red Joe Oliver) and not a scout. Scouts still had him 94-100.
Soxprospects is saying the same thing (in the form of a reporting of a John Manuel Q&A)
Love the bullpen!!! A big winning streak is coming our way!!! We will BUY at the deadline then run the table and take the East. Tanaka and Nasty Nate leading the way with cy young second halfs
Love the bullpen!!! A big winning streak is coming our way!!! We will BUY at the deadline then run the table and take the East. Tanaka and Nasty Nate leading the way with cy young second halfs
but the "old backup catchers" seem like a dying breed
running out of molinas? wasn't there like 5 or 6 catching molinas at one time? Kind of like baseballs Sutters but I don't think the Molinas were related.
One rival executive said that he is “100 percent” certain the Cubs will keep Kyle Schwarber, no matter how many times the Yankees ask for the slugger in a trade for Andrew Miller.
Schwarber is the Yankees’ principal target, according to ESPN, but the Cubs love Schwarber’s makeup and left-handed power, and think he could develop into one of the 10 best hitters in the game.
One rival executive said that he is “100 percent” certain the Cubs will keep Kyle Schwarber, no matter how many times the Yankees ask for the slugger in a trade for Andrew Miller.
Schwarber is the Yankees’ principal target, according to ESPN, but the Cubs love Schwarber’s makeup and left-handed power, and think he could develop into one of the 10 best hitters in the game.
isn't the "100% certain the team X will keep player y" phrase code for "he's definitely going to be traded" around hot stove time?
RE: It's a two-man game in this league right now. Â
please let them both just stay healthy for another 2 weeks to max the return we can get
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top prospect Alex Reyes sat 102 for an inning last week, Red Sox prospect Michael Kopech reportedly hit 105 but word is that number came from the Sox but he's legit touched 103.
I haven't seen anything that says the number came from the Sox. What I saw reported and discussed was that the number came from several handhelds in the crowd and not the official, technically better gun.
Bill,
I'm not a Sox hater but I can tell you a non-biased well respected source told me that number came directly from the Sox. He also noted Kopech is absolutely despised in the clubhouse and that the Sox are heavily concerned with his involvement in an upcoming reality show.
"Oh that is a Sox leak
He's been 103
But only they reported the 105, and it isn't like there wouldn't be a million scouts on that team pre-deadline But Sox work the prospect media better than anyone
Though Houston is making ground there)"
Like I said, I have nothing at all against the Red Sox. I'm a Mets fan. Just reporting what I was told.
And I absolutely believe that Kopech is a giant dick. Everything that he's done so far in his career suggests that.
And I absolutely believe that Kopech is a giant dick. Everything that he's done so far in his career suggests that.
He was 18, did some stupid things, I always struggle with being critical of the young guys. I know at 18/19 years old the biggest question in my life was what stupid thing would I do next.
The talent is there if he can control the walks, which is probably fixable
That is partially off-set by the piece being ready to contribute sooner. Yankees land a B+ prospect or two that are able to help within the next 12 months that's a bigger return than a 1st round pick that won't be drafted until this time next season, won't be playing a full slate of games until 2018 and at best takes 1.5 years to help post being drafted.
Always a small sample size with closers, especially this year for Chapman, but compared to arguably his best season in 2012 - Chapman is actually walking batters at a lesser rate and he's throwing around the same number of pitches per appearance.
Most other stats are on par with the rest of his career Only his strikeout rate is down, compared to previous years - and that could be fixed in a couple of games with his stuff.
not lately. used to agree and it used to be true, but Betts, Bogearts, Bradley are all legit (though it took Bradley a while).
Moncada and Benitendi are also pretty close to "can't miss" if they stay healthy.
I'm less sold on Devers than others, and Kopech who knows, he's not that hyped other than his velocity which is legit, I mean if they say he threw 105, and everyone else has him at 103 is that the Sox over-hyping a prospect? a starting pitcher at 20 years old throwing 103 mph is pretty amazing. He doesn't have great command though.
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Their propaganda machine puts the '90s Yankees to shame.
Out of curiousity, which ones do you feel are overihyped right now? Moncada, Benintendi? I'm trying to get a feel for their true valuation.
Not trying to speak for Greg, but I'm not sure he's talking about the current crop. We don't know yet if they are overhyped. But in the past, they absolutely have had a million of them overhyped. It's tough to say anyone is overhyped until we actually see them perform at the major league level.
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Their propaganda machine puts the '90s Yankees to shame.
Out of curiousity, which ones do you feel are overihyped right now? Moncada, Benintendi? I'm trying to get a feel for their true valuation.
Not trying to speak for Greg, but I'm not sure he's talking about the current crop. We don't know yet if they are overhyped. But in the past, they absolutely have had a million of them overhyped. It's tough to say anyone is overhyped until we actually see them perform at the major league level.
Hate to agree with Greg, but this is the full Barry Bonds effect in play here.
This was a perfectly reasonable question and BBI is super weird sometimes.
it all comes from BA, MLB, Baseball Prospectus, etc.
maybe they are shills for various teams, I don't know, but I don't think hype is reliant as much on teams anymore as it is the network.
it all comes from BA, MLB, Baseball Prospectus, etc.
maybe they are shills for various teams, I don't know, but I don't think hype is reliant as much on teams anymore as it is the network.
Yes teams do. They give access, they whisper in the ears of national writers, they get the beat guys beating the drum. The Yanks did it very well years ago, they still do to an extent (everything but access), but the Sox have long been the masters.
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it's just not needed anymore.
it all comes from BA, MLB, Baseball Prospectus, etc.
maybe they are shills for various teams, I don't know, but I don't think hype is reliant as much on teams anymore as it is the network.
Yes teams do. They give access, they whisper in the ears of national writers, they get the beat guys beating the drum. The Yanks did it very well years ago, they still do to an extent (everything but access), but the Sox have long been the masters.
How much of an impact does it have on the rankings which seem almost paramount at this point - and the numbers to support them. Maybe a year in the back end of the top 100?
It just seems like prospect rankings these days from the Keith Law's to the BA and BP people are almost formulaic.
Like you said, a substantial majority of top 100 prospects will make it to the majors now and a good portion will have an impact. that wasn't necessarily the case a few short years ago.
injuries not withstanding of course.
He's been on prospect lists since 2011.
he's only 22, so still time, but how is that not over-hyped?
What happened to Tyler Austin, Slade Heathcott, Luis Severino, Manny Banuelos, Mason Williams....those are just Yankees prospects I heard about but haven't seen much from that (at the major league level - and it could just be I don't follow them so I don't see it)
don't want to seem like I'm defending the Red Sox either, I'm not I hate the Red Sox, I just don't think they still hype their prospects and if they do, that it means much - especially in a trade, like it once may have and the world was a much larger place without the benefit of the information easily available to us in 2016.
No they're talented kids, that's not the point. The point is we hear about them first because the team bends the ear of the prospect guru crowd. And they did it with some duds along the way too.
He's been on prospect lists since 2011.
he's only 22, so still time, but how is that not over-hyped?
What happened to Tyler Austin, Slade Heathcott, Luis Severino, Manny Banuelos, Mason Williams....those are just Yankees prospects I heard about but haven't seen much from that (at the major league level - and it could just be I don't follow them so I don't see it)
don't want to seem like I'm defending the Red Sox either, I'm not I hate the Red Sox, I just don't think they still hype their prospects and if they do, that it means much - especially in a trade, like it once may have and the world was a much larger place without the benefit of the information easily available to us in 2016.
Sanchez is still there and should be a big leaguer. You heard about him like Sano and Michael Ynoa because he got a record bonus. As for the other guys, it's a mix of injury and underperformance. Some are still in the pipeline, ManBan has moved on, but they were hyped because they were NYY's anointed next big thing, and for a team with their press corps that makes them a big deal.
Drugs are bad.
running out of molinas? wasn't there like 5 or 6 catching molinas at one time? Kind of like baseballs Sutters but I don't think the Molinas were related.
that's it? thought there was more, still impressive, I knew at least there was one not related.
Schwarber is the Yankees’ principal target, according to ESPN, but the Cubs love Schwarber’s makeup and left-handed power, and think he could develop into one of the 10 best hitters in the game.
Schwarber is the Yankees’ principal target, according to ESPN, but the Cubs love Schwarber’s makeup and left-handed power, and think he could develop into one of the 10 best hitters in the game.
isn't the "100% certain the team X will keep player y" phrase code for "he's definitely going to be traded" around hot stove time?
How do they measure the spin rate?