Give me a break. If I was to do that, I'd be shown the door immediately and not receive a cent (and rightfully so). Its amazing how the rich and powerful profit over
f-ing up.
i was just trying to be clever, don't overanalyze my words here. Of course I don't think its right to mess with anyone of any gender in the type of way that Ailes is accused of
Give me a break. If I was to do that, I'd be shown the door immediately and not receive a cent (and rightfully so). Its amazing how the rich and powerful profit over
f-ing up.
It really is. If you're high enough up the food chain, you'll get your stock awards vested for getting fired. The problem is that it's OPM (other peoples' money). Boards are generous in paying off their friends the executives with stockholders' money.
But if you make $10/hour and get caught taking office supplies home, they'll fire you and contest your unemployment claim.
If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, then I'm not sure that it speaks well of Megyn Kelly disclaimer or trivia: she is actually from my town and graduated (years earlier) from the same HS as my kids). It was 10 years ago and she continued to rise in stature and salary with and because of Ailes. Never said a word. I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised, if she publicly said laudatory things about Ailes in the interim.
Like men who cheat with ugly women. If you're going to put your career or marriage on the line to break a societal norm, why wouldnt you aim higher than Gretchen Carlsen?
that Hannity, BillO, and Greta have outs in their contracts if Ailes leaves.
My guess is this really hurts Fox. I think Ailes just had an amazing feel for what his viewers would like. Will be tough to replace that kind of gut level understanding of their customers. Less hard I think is the talent development/management aspect. I dont think anyone there is really a special talent. Rather at this point I think being on FNC is driving everyone's ratings.
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If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, then I'm not sure that it speaks well of Megyn Kelly disclaimer or trivia: she is actually from my town and graduated (years earlier) from the same HS as my kids). It was 10 years ago and she continued to rise in stature and salary with and because of Ailes. Never said a word. I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised, if she publicly said laudatory things about Ailes in the interim.
She did. It's all on Twitter. She called him a mentor and a friend. Loyal. "Nothing but good to me". I wouldnt be too hard on her though. If true, she's a victim. Some women are going to deal with sexual harassment by just staying quiet and doing the best they can to advance their careers. I dont think we should necessarily criticize them for not being heroes and potentially blowing up their careers.
Just for the title it might motivate you. Plus, he's a thousand and she's 75, so he might feel better not going after relative young'uns. Plus, I think she's kinda hot for an old lady. Her dopey grin kinda turns me off and she tends toward the chunky for tv, but on the whole I like her enough.
Sometimes you guys have to put the politics aside to objectively evaluate the things that truly matter.
Like men who cheat with ugly women. If you're going to put your career or marriage on the line to break a societal norm, why wouldnt you aim higher than Gretchen Carlsen?
Disclaimer: I do not condone sexual harassment.
She's literally a former Miss America. I bet she'd very pretty in person.
RE: RE: RE: Ailes apparently harassed Megyn Kelly as well
If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, then I'm not sure that it speaks well of Megyn Kelly disclaimer or trivia: she is actually from my town and graduated (years earlier) from the same HS as my kids). It was 10 years ago and she continued to rise in stature and salary with and because of Ailes. Never said a word. I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised, if she publicly said laudatory things about Ailes in the interim.
She did. It's all on Twitter. She called him a mentor and a friend. Loyal. "Nothing but good to me". I wouldnt be too hard on her though. If true, she's a victim. Some women are going to deal with sexual harassment by just staying quiet and doing the best they can to advance their careers. I dont think we should necessarily criticize them for not being heroes and potentially blowing up their careers.
i fuss. I don't think I could if it bothered me. I have to admit, though, I'm virtually impossible to sexually harass. But she's been an anchor for a while and in the past couple years she's been just about the hottest journalist out there. It's not like she couldn't have moved elsewhere and only stayed and stayed quiet because she had no options.
Buyouts for sexual harassment? Not that I've seen.
buyouts to get out of a contract.
Sure, it might be slightly different, but just to play devils advocate, we don't have sexual harassment here. We have an allegation. And, given the number of high profile false claims and damaging precipitous actions, over the past few years, for the corporation to fight whether or not sexual harassment occurred may not be worth the effort. IOW, the buyout is not for sexual harassment but to speed him out the door and put the bad publicity behind them.
You have multiple sexual harassment claims over an extended period of
Buyouts for sexual harassment? Not that I've seen.
buyouts to get out of a contract.
Sure, it might be slightly different, but just to play devils advocate, we don't have sexual harassment here. We have an allegation. And, given the number of high profile false claims and damaging precipitous actions, over the past few years, for the corporation to fight whether or not sexual harassment occurred may not be worth the effort. IOW, the buyout is not for sexual harassment but to speed him out the door and put the bad publicity behind them.
Well, in a normal contract you'd fire him "for cause", and he could sue for breach of contract on the grounds that he didnt really do anything wrong. I cant fathom his contract lacked a "for cause" clause allowing Fox to get out.
Now most corporate boards will just pay 100% and tell the guy to go away. Because it isnt their money. But a privately owned business firing an exec? They'll either wait to get sued or make an offer below 100 cents on the dollar.
No, it is $40 million. He was paid for making them a fortune.
Again, it is the difference between private companies and public companies. You see these "thanks for the memories" payments when the people authorizing the payment dont actually have to pay the money themselves.
But there's value in ending this quickly and quietly
Maybe. If it was a rando Fortune 500 company and Carlson was a middle manager, you could sweep this under the rug. This story isnt going away. Carlson is still suing. Others may sue. The $40 million to Ailes is gone now though.
and Michelle Triola, like a screeching, squealing, rapacious swamp sow is after actor Lee Marvin's last three million dollars. I guess what you and Michelle are saying is that while you're on your backs, the meter is running. Well, please spare us, gals, and tell us the rates at the top. Then we can choose which two bit tarts and bargain basement sluts to shack up with.
and Michelle Triola, like a screeching, squealing, rapacious swamp sow is after actor Lee Marvin's last three million dollars. I guess what you and Michelle are saying is that while you're on your backs, the meter is running. Well, please spare us, gals, and tell us the rates at the top. Then we can choose which two bit tarts and bargain basement sluts to shack up with.
This seems relevant.
There are so many ironies in this whole situation.
One that stands out for me is that the attorney leading Ailes's public defense is Susan Estrich. Their lives have been intertwined since Willie Horton. Estrich hasn't crossed the aisle - she has been a big Hillary supporter forever - but business is business.
As for the $40MM and any other money Ailes may have coming, it's part of a wider exit negotiation. There's probably a lot on the table: legal fees, cooperation on defense, non-compete, confidentiality, etc.
Another observation: Megyn Kelly is a player, and she's having a heck of a year. Her past statements in support of Ailes can be depicted as the duty of a loyal subordinate in an abusive organization. Her revelations to the internal Fox investigation - and her eventual deposition/testimony if the Carlson suit proceeds - will simply be seen as honest responses to direct questions that she had no choice but to answer. If some of the other stars exercise their right to bolt when Ailes falls, Kelly might end up a big winner as the centerpiece of the Murdoch sons' rebuild.
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If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, then I'm not sure that it speaks well of Megyn Kelly disclaimer or trivia: she is actually from my town and graduated (years earlier) from the same HS as my kids). It was 10 years ago and she continued to rise in stature and salary with and because of Ailes. Never said a word. I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised, if she publicly said laudatory things about Ailes in the interim.
She did. It's all on Twitter. She called him a mentor and a friend. Loyal. "Nothing but good to me". I wouldnt be too hard on her though. If true, she's a victim. Some women are going to deal with sexual harassment by just staying quiet and doing the best they can to advance their careers. I dont think we should necessarily criticize them for not being heroes and potentially blowing up their careers.
Well, yes and no. Carlson only spoke out when she was not renewed. I'm not sure why Kelly wouldn't speak out, if she's such a strong woman. They could have made a difference if they both went to Fox Management when it happened. That's why these creeps get away with stuff like this.
i was just trying to be clever, don't overanalyze my words here. Of course I don't think its right to mess with anyone of any gender in the type of way that Ailes is accused of
Same here, micks. I didn't mean for my comment to imply anything about you. I was just expaining my most successful strategy. Apologies.
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I think Megyn Kelly saying similar things about Ailes is what did it.
f-ing up.
Rite. Stick to the weak ones with daddy issues like any normal sociopath.
This is all the makings of a short-skirted cat fight.
f-ing up.
It really is. If you're high enough up the food chain, you'll get your stock awards vested for getting fired. The problem is that it's OPM (other peoples' money). Boards are generous in paying off their friends the executives with stockholders' money.
But if you make $10/hour and get caught taking office supplies home, they'll fire you and contest your unemployment claim.
Disclaimer: I do not condone sexual harassment.
My guess is this really hurts Fox. I think Ailes just had an amazing feel for what his viewers would like. Will be tough to replace that kind of gut level understanding of their customers. Less hard I think is the talent development/management aspect. I dont think anyone there is really a special talent. Rather at this point I think being on FNC is driving everyone's ratings.
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If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, then I'm not sure that it speaks well of Megyn Kelly disclaimer or trivia: she is actually from my town and graduated (years earlier) from the same HS as my kids). It was 10 years ago and she continued to rise in stature and salary with and because of Ailes. Never said a word. I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised, if she publicly said laudatory things about Ailes in the interim.
She did. It's all on Twitter. She called him a mentor and a friend. Loyal. "Nothing but good to me". I wouldnt be too hard on her though. If true, she's a victim. Some women are going to deal with sexual harassment by just staying quiet and doing the best they can to advance their careers. I dont think we should necessarily criticize them for not being heroes and potentially blowing up their careers.
Sometimes you guys have to put the politics aside to objectively evaluate the things that truly matter.
Disclaimer: I do not condone sexual harassment.
She's literally a former Miss America. I bet she'd very pretty in person.
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If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, then I'm not sure that it speaks well of Megyn Kelly disclaimer or trivia: she is actually from my town and graduated (years earlier) from the same HS as my kids). It was 10 years ago and she continued to rise in stature and salary with and because of Ailes. Never said a word. I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised, if she publicly said laudatory things about Ailes in the interim.
She did. It's all on Twitter. She called him a mentor and a friend. Loyal. "Nothing but good to me". I wouldnt be too hard on her though. If true, she's a victim. Some women are going to deal with sexual harassment by just staying quiet and doing the best they can to advance their careers. I dont think we should necessarily criticize them for not being heroes and potentially blowing up their careers.
Buyouts for sexual harassment? Not that I've seen.
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I know many pro athletes and coaches do.
Buyouts for sexual harassment? Not that I've seen.
Sure, it might be slightly different, but just to play devils advocate, we don't have sexual harassment here. We have an allegation. And, given the number of high profile false claims and damaging precipitous actions, over the past few years, for the corporation to fight whether or not sexual harassment occurred may not be worth the effort. IOW, the buyout is not for sexual harassment but to speed him out the door and put the bad publicity behind them.
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I know many pro athletes and coaches do.
Buyouts for sexual harassment? Not that I've seen.
buyouts to get out of a contract.
Sure, it might be slightly different, but just to play devils advocate, we don't have sexual harassment here. We have an allegation. And, given the number of high profile false claims and damaging precipitous actions, over the past few years, for the corporation to fight whether or not sexual harassment occurred may not be worth the effort. IOW, the buyout is not for sexual harassment but to speed him out the door and put the bad publicity behind them.
Well, in a normal contract you'd fire him "for cause", and he could sue for breach of contract on the grounds that he didnt really do anything wrong. I cant fathom his contract lacked a "for cause" clause allowing Fox to get out.
Now most corporate boards will just pay 100% and tell the guy to go away. Because it isnt their money. But a privately owned business firing an exec? They'll either wait to get sued or make an offer below 100 cents on the dollar.
No, it is $40 million. He was paid for making them a fortune.
Again, it is the difference between private companies and public companies. You see these "thanks for the memories" payments when the people authorizing the payment dont actually have to pay the money themselves.
Maybe. If it was a rando Fortune 500 company and Carlson was a middle manager, you could sweep this under the rug. This story isnt going away. Carlson is still suing. Others may sue. The $40 million to Ailes is gone now though.
Come on! Put your science hats on.
This seems relevant.
As for the $40MM and any other money Ailes may have coming, it's part of a wider exit negotiation. There's probably a lot on the table: legal fees, cooperation on defense, non-compete, confidentiality, etc.
Another observation: Megyn Kelly is a player, and she's having a heck of a year. Her past statements in support of Ailes can be depicted as the duty of a loyal subordinate in an abusive organization. Her revelations to the internal Fox investigation - and her eventual deposition/testimony if the Carlson suit proceeds - will simply be seen as honest responses to direct questions that she had no choice but to answer. If some of the other stars exercise their right to bolt when Ailes falls, Kelly might end up a big winner as the centerpiece of the Murdoch sons' rebuild.
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If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, then I'm not sure that it speaks well of Megyn Kelly disclaimer or trivia: she is actually from my town and graduated (years earlier) from the same HS as my kids). It was 10 years ago and she continued to rise in stature and salary with and because of Ailes. Never said a word. I don't know, but wouldn't be surprised, if she publicly said laudatory things about Ailes in the interim.
She did. It's all on Twitter. She called him a mentor and a friend. Loyal. "Nothing but good to me". I wouldnt be too hard on her though. If true, she's a victim. Some women are going to deal with sexual harassment by just staying quiet and doing the best they can to advance their careers. I dont think we should necessarily criticize them for not being heroes and potentially blowing up their careers.
Well, yes and no. Carlson only spoke out when she was not renewed. I'm not sure why Kelly wouldn't speak out, if she's such a strong woman. They could have made a difference if they both went to Fox Management when it happened. That's why these creeps get away with stuff like this.
Same here, micks. I didn't mean for my comment to imply anything about you. I was just expaining my most successful strategy. Apologies.