is their new strength and conditioning coach/program.
We have had holes to fill on this roster. The offensive line for a few years. Linebacker for a few years. At times other positions like TE and Safety.
However, the one area of concern that has remained constant was the injuries. It started with Fassel and then continued into the Coughlin era.
So, we finally make significant changes in the area of strength and conditioning. Now we will see whether this change will result in fewer soft tissue injuries this year.
They changed the coach and he has all new processes. So.. yeah there have been changes.
I am fairly positive that strength and conditioning has been a huge problem. I wont be convinced until we see a decline in soft tissue injuries after this change.
Well, when you finish at or near the bottom of the league in this area for years and years... then it has to be more than luck.
So, how, from a strength and conditioning perspective, is this the same problem since the strength and conditioning program changed from Fassel to TC. They ran two complexly different strength and conditioning programs but the problem was the same? Hmmmm....
Football is a brutal sport. The fact that we've led the NFL in IR'd and man games lost since the middle of 2012 (as I understand it...) is simply amazing.
I have to believe that our "luck" has to turn. We are now also younger so likely healthier.
One thing I do know: if we want to go anywhere this year our starting 22 must stay fairly healthy. We need to catch that break.
So don't friggin' jinx it...
Wellman has specifically said a large part of his program is preventative maintenance. It's probably unfair to place all the blame on Palmieri, but with our injury track record, a shakeup probably can't make things any worse.
Actually they have made some major changes.
The entire weight room was revamped. They are apparently also focusing much more better techniques as well as nutrition and recovery, Even McAdoo changing the Giants rest day to Monday instead of Tuesday makes more sense because it gets them into the recovery process quicker.
good post Eric -- this merits discussion!
good post Eric -- this merits discussion!
good post Eric -- this merits discussion!
Yes thanks which is why I wont let this go. It is more than just bad luck.
To the person who comment earlier about football being a brutal sport. So many of our soft tissue injuries are not the result of some type of brutal contact. We are getting hurt running drills, lifting weights, or just running. Not even in games.
Now, if you can remember so many of the discussions here over the past few years where we chalk up our poor season to "injuries"... then yeah this is the biggest test for us. It is more important than any one positional hole we have filled this off season.
If we continue to be experiencing a high number of soft tissue injuries, what I think we can say then is that the strength and conditioning program of the past was NOT responsible for that.
Not sure how the injury thing started with Fassel, though? His last year we had a lot of injuries, but the whole point that spurred TC's infamous comment about injuries was that several of the players "injured" at the end of the year, simply quit playing. Prior to that year, the Giants were in the top half of the league in health for almost the entirety of Fassel's tenure.
is a tough run for the Division Title ..
Bro, that is a major change that affects the entire program. Not all NFL S&C programs are identical.
I think both play a role, but I also think that some teams (like the Giants) have stocked their rosters with players who have a high propensity for injury. In other words, some players are built to take a hit and others take the same hit and suffer an injury.
I’ll use Romo and Eli as a prime example.
Are the Cowboys (and their QB) just unlucky or does Romo have a higher propensity for injury?
If it’s all about the strength and conditioning program how has Eli escaped injuries while his teammates are dropping like flies?
Although the past in not indicative of future performance one thing that I would like the Giants to place added emphasis on is the injury history of a player.
In a given round of the draft or in free agency, if you have multiple players in mind with fairly equal ratings, why not go with the one who has been injured the least throughout his football career, from HS to college (and if applicable) the pros?
Not sure how the injury thing started with Fassel, though? His last year we had a lot of injuries, but the whole point that spurred TC's infamous comment about injuries was that several of the players "injured" at the end of the year, simply quit playing. Prior to that year, the Giants were in the top half of the league in health for almost the entirety of Fassel's tenure.
Fatman -- if it was just bad luck --- it was consistently pervasive bad luck over a four year period -- and also in a run that ran concurrently, time wise, to the switch from camp in Albany to camp at the Meadowlands -- and also in a run that ran concurrently, time wise, to the early time period of the new CBA --- all just coincidence and bad luck? Could be -- and there's no doubt that Tom tried to pay at least some attention to it -- but there's a lot of concurrent changes there and a strong consistency over a long period of time to the shear plethora of injuries --
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Bro, that is a major change that affects the entire program. Not all NFL S&C programs are identical.
I think they share information, best practices, etc. It isn't like there's a secret sauce or magic formula here. IMO, it's massively overrated but I'm glad they're making a change. I doubt it will have much impact but it can't hurt.
I think both play a role...
If it’s all about the strength and conditioning program how has Eli escaped injuries while his teammates are dropping like flies?
Well that's obvious? You have seen photos of Eli in a t-shirt?
Obviously he doesn't pay any attention whatsoever to the strength program!
I remember in 2015 when the GS Warriors changed trainers and everyone pointed to how great their injury status was as put it on the change, but this past year, they finished in the bottom half of the NBA in injuries.
I'm certain this isn't just bad luck as the only factor, but a lot of people have tried to pinpoint a main driver, and it isn't like there is a huge red flag on where to focus.
I do think a change in S&C was needed - and that's what happened.
Not sure how the injury thing started with Fassel, though? His last year we had a lot of injuries, but the whole point that spurred TC's infamous comment about injuries was that several of the players "injured" at the end of the year, simply quit playing. Prior to that year, the Giants were in the top half of the league in health for almost the entirety of Fassel's tenure.
Agreed; this COULD be the statistical phenomenon of "reverting to the mean". A string "against the odds" purely by chance is not at all unusual (e.g. dice or Yatzee) but over the VERY long term, the average of your throws will revert to approaching the mean.
(But that's not to say that in that same long term a new philosophy, equipment and coach won't change the mean for the future.)
Top receivers in this league have hurt their knees and all come back. The Giants have lost Smith, Nicks and for almost 2 years Cruz
How do you prevent Wilson's neck injury, C. Jones car accident, K. Phillips wrecking his knee, J. Alford wrecking his knee
It just seems more than bad luck that so many good, young players just do not make it back from their injuries
I agree that it can't get much worse. This is why I think the S&C program is so important. All of the off season moves will mean nothing if they are watching the games from the sidelines.
Thanks for contributing today guys while I was on the road all day.