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NFT: Does any piece of beef even compare to a Porterhouse Steak?

BlueLou : 7/20/2016 4:23 am
Well obviously a T-bone is close, but give me the broader filet mignon side and smaller NY Strip side that the Porterhouse puts on the table any day of the week.

Sauteed in a super hot pan no more than 5 minutes total with a dab of evoo in the pan, lightly salted and generously peppered. Or grilled over real charcoal...

You wanna argue?
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Bone-in  
Nick in LA : 7/20/2016 4:25 am : link
Rib Eye, all day.
I have a couple of issues with porterhouse.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/20/2016 4:51 am : link
One is that it's just too much meat for me to eat in one sitting. The simple answer is to share, but personally I'd rather just have either a filet or a strip, rather than combining them into one meal. Yeah, I know: first-world problem. But hey, you asked.

A closely related issue is that the two parts of a porterhouse cook differently, and it's tricky to do them both justice - especially for those of use who don't do steak all that often. Even high-end steakhouses seem to struggle with this, but it doesn't matter because hardly anybody checks both sections after being served, and even fewer will reject an expensive steak after cutting into it. (I did it once, reluctantly: I ordered medium rare, and my filet arrived without a trace of pink; I wound up eating the replacement while the rest of the party was having dessert.)

A bit of heresy: I actually prefer "flavor" cuts like skirt steak. I just like the way they absorb the flavor of a good marinade, and I find them easier to cook.
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RE: Bone-in  
BlueLou : 7/20/2016 5:26 am : link
In comment 13038808 Nick in LA said:
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Rib Eye, all day.


The bone in rib eye is a worthy challenger no doubt. But I have two objections to it. The first and more serious one is that it invariably has thick streaks and even hunks of fat in its center that one must navigate if one chooses not to eat lumps of fat, which at my age I must. The second, which is also a problem in a different way with the Porterhouse, is that with a good sized bone on one end it tends to be really blood rare next to that bone when the heart of the steak is a perfect medium rare. For me, I just eat the blood rare part, but for my wife and kids that is inedible next to the bone, unless I overcook the whole piece to med or med well, G-d forbid.
RE: I have a couple of issues with porterhouse.  
BlueLou : 7/20/2016 5:45 am : link
In comment 13038810 Big Blue Blogger said:
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One is that it's just too much meat for me to eat in one sitting. The simple answer is to share, but personally I'd rather just have either a filet or a strip, rather than combining them into one meal. Yeah, I know: first-world problem. But hey, you asked.

A closely related issue is that the two parts of a porterhouse cook differently, and it's tricky to do them both justice - especially for those of use who don't do steak all that often. Even high-end steakhouses seem to struggle with this, but it doesn't matter because hardly anybody checks both sections after being served, and even fewer will reject an expensive steak after cutting into it. (I did it once, reluctantly: I ordered medium rare, and my filet arrived without a trace of pink; I wound up eating the replacement while the rest of the party was having dessert.)

A bit of heresy: I actually prefer "flavor" cuts like skirt steak. I just like the way they absorb the flavor of a good marinade, and I find them easier to cook.


Leaving aside the heresy of preferring cuts that take to a marinade well (I civilly chose to simply ignore that B^3, because you are a great football poster), the issue of the filet side cooking faster than the sirloin side is real. Frankly, any pro grill cook or chef in a restaurant who cooks several to many steaks during a given shift should have figured that out after a few shifts with any attention to detail.

On a grill with underneath flames or coals, there are hotter and cooler areas. In a restaurant often grills are actually angled so parts are closer or further from the heat. You simply need to cook the Porterhouse with the sirloin moiety oriented towards the hotter part of the grill.

As a saute in a hot pan, or restaurant style seared very quickly in a hot pan on both sides and then slid into a hot oven for a few minutes (best when a thick sizeable steak is at hand) one needs to slip a slice of potato under the filet side immediately after both sides have been seared. Removed from contact with the hot skillet, the fillet continues to cook much more slowly than the sirloin.

I actually taught myself this technique while cooking fillets of fish like salmon that often have a thick side and a thin one. And used a slice of lemon...
That's a great tip Lou - thanks.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/20/2016 6:12 am : link
The fish aspect is even more helpful, since we eat way more fish than steak, and uneven cooking is a big problem.

BTW, what are your favorite wine pairings for a good porterhouse? I've heard positive buzz about a 2012 called Liquidity, or some such. Know anything about it? ;o)
Just a filet thanks  
buford : 7/20/2016 6:18 am : link
but sometimes I can get a small grass fed Porterhouse and it's great. I love both strip and filet so it's the best of both.
B^3, Liquidity 2012 would be an excellent choice obviously...  
BlueLou : 7/20/2016 6:58 am : link
But just to give you a more modestly priced (non Kosher) option I'll tell you I loved the wine I drank with my steak last night.

2011 Gala 2 by Luigi Boss from Argentina. I think you can find it between $25-$30 in the US. Terrific stuff, much in the style of my Liquidity, and reading the back label production notes made by a very similar process to the one I use. The barrel aging time (in new French oak barrels) is 14 months rather than the 19 months my Liquidity was barrel aged, so the spice and oak characteristics are a bit less prominent. But it's a heckuva wine for less than $30. Compares to Napa stuff at twice the price or more, but that's the economy of making wine in Argentina...

Found it in NYC linked below. The 2011 looks to be more than $30, but the 2012 is less.

Anyway an excellent wine and a good deal, comparable to far more expensive wines from Napa.
America's Wine Shop Manhattan - ( New Window )
BTW the cooking technique of slipping a slice of potato  
BlueLou : 7/20/2016 7:04 am : link
or lemon under the thin part of a fish is critical, because fish, when at all overcooked, is to my mind even less forgiving than steak.

I can't abide overcooked fish at all.

If a steak goes from med-rare to medium not that big a deal. Flat out rare still fine by me. Even med-well is edible. Ok well done is a disaster for fine cuts.

But fish simply has to be à point!
Lou: Your spellchecker might have kicked in there.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/20/2016 7:04 am : link
It's Bosca, I think. Nice. Thanks again.
Yes Bosca.  
BlueLou : 7/20/2016 7:07 am : link
Love his first name...
I agree with you, Lou...  
RC02XX : 7/20/2016 7:08 am : link
Porterhouse has always been my go to cut of steak. However, I've heard that due to its relatively low smoke point, EVOO wasn't a good choice to use. Is that true from your professional experience? I used to use it with kosher salt and fresh cracked pepper. So I transition to refined canola oil.

I have heard people say to use mayo instead of oil though. I'm going to try it the next time I grill my steak.
Bone in ribeye for me  
mattlawson : 7/20/2016 7:14 am : link
My favorite steak right now.

avacado oil is what I use when I need a high temp oil. But EVOO has a great flavor not found in your grape seed, etc
If I'm making a porterhouse, which is a rarity,  
barens : 7/20/2016 7:28 am : link
but when I do, I'll first throw it on the grill, along with an empty cast iron pan to heat up, take steak off when it's rare, slice it off the bone and cut it into strips, throw some butter on top, pop it back in to whatever temperature you desire, and that's about as heavenly as it gets.

Oh, that and a nice bottle of Barolo.
I like the T-Bone  
I Love Clams Casino : 7/20/2016 7:44 am : link
in fact, you might as well call me......

I recently read an article which claimed the best piece of beef is...  
Bill L : 7/20/2016 8:02 am : link
oh crap..I forgot the name of it.

But it's the cap muscle on the prime rib. You cut it off and serve it as steak and apparently it's awesome.
RE: RE: I have a couple of issues with porterhouse.  
Bill L : 7/20/2016 8:04 am : link
In comment 13038817 BlueLou said:
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In comment 13038810 Big Blue Blogger said:


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One is that it's just too much meat for me to eat in one sitting. The simple answer is to share, but personally I'd rather just have either a filet or a strip, rather than combining them into one meal. Yeah, I know: first-world problem. But hey, you asked.

A closely related issue is that the two parts of a porterhouse cook differently, and it's tricky to do them both justice - especially for those of use who don't do steak all that often. Even high-end steakhouses seem to struggle with this, but it doesn't matter because hardly anybody checks both sections after being served, and even fewer will reject an expensive steak after cutting into it. (I did it once, reluctantly: I ordered medium rare, and my filet arrived without a trace of pink; I wound up eating the replacement while the rest of the party was having dessert.)

A bit of heresy: I actually prefer "flavor" cuts like skirt steak. I just like the way they absorb the flavor of a good marinade, and I find them easier to cook.




Leaving aside the heresy of preferring cuts that take to a marinade well (I civilly chose to simply ignore that B^3, because you are a great football poster), the issue of the filet side cooking faster than the sirloin side is real. Frankly, any pro grill cook or chef in a restaurant who cooks several to many steaks during a given shift should have figured that out after a few shifts with any attention to detail.

On a grill with underneath flames or coals, there are hotter and cooler areas. In a restaurant often grills are actually angled so parts are closer or further from the heat. You simply need to cook the Porterhouse with the sirloin moiety oriented towards the hotter part of the grill.

As a saute in a hot pan, or restaurant style seared very quickly in a hot pan on both sides and then slid into a hot oven for a few minutes (best when a thick sizeable steak is at hand) one needs to slip a slice of potato under the filet side immediately after both sides have been seared. Removed from contact with the hot skillet, the fillet continues to cook much more slowly than the sirloin.

I actually taught myself this technique while cooking fillets of fish like salmon that often have a thick side and a thin one. And used a slice of lemon...
Sous vide it and both sides come out at exactly the same perfect temp every time.
RE: I recently read an article which claimed the best piece of beef is...  
Klaatu : 7/20/2016 8:14 am : link
In comment 13038865 Bill L said:
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oh crap..I forgot the name of it.

But it's the cap muscle on the prime rib. You cut it off and serve it as steak and apparently it's awesome.


Is this it?
I'm a big Filet Mignon guy ...  
Beer Man : 7/20/2016 8:20 am : link
Salt, Pepper, then Medium rare over a mesquite fire wins it all for me. As an alternative (not a replacement) for an inexpensive steak meal, I recommend trying the Hanging Tenders (a.k.a. Hanger Steak). These are fairly inexpensive cuts of meat, but are loaded with flavor. Many grocery stores don't sell them because the butchers take them home for themselves. I use them a number of ways, but they work very well as beef tips.
RE: RE: I recently read an article which claimed the best piece of beef is...  
Bill L : 7/20/2016 8:22 am : link
In comment 13038874 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13038865 Bill L said:


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oh crap..I forgot the name of it.

But it's the cap muscle on the prime rib. You cut it off and serve it as steak and apparently it's awesome.



Is this it?
YES! Thank you. Spinalis dorsi. Until reading this I had never heard of it. And, I still have never seen one.
RE: Bone-in  
RinR : 7/20/2016 8:23 am : link
In comment 13038808 Nick in LA said:
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Rib Eye, all day.


+100000

Seasoned with an espresso rub over hardwood coals. Nothing like it.
Flavor my favorite  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2016 8:25 am : link
is the ribeye. They're just a pain in the ass to cook if you get a particularly fatty piece, because the grill flares up, but therein lies the issue, the fattier the better flavor.

I love porterhouse and t-bone which I always thought were the same thing only the porterhouse is bigger, so they'd taste almost the same, just more meat on the porterhouse (unless I'm mistaken - Lou is the expert here).

the problem I have with t-bone/porterhouse is cooking it the strip side cooks slower than the filet side, so I always err to the less done-ness an wind up with a closer to rare strip, which is fine, they're so expensive I rarely buy them.

the NY strip is my go-to because I can usually get them pretty cheap or at least on sale, they're easy to cook and they taste great.

I do also do in fact cook some steaks that almost (ie always) require marinating. Cuts like steak tips (not sure if they sell outside of new england as steak tips, maybe a different name, but they are very tough, and if you don't marinate them to break down some of the fibers you wind up with a very chewy piece of meat. the less done, more chewy, some places char-grill them. I usually use a red wine marinade or make teriyaki - my kids love teriyaki steak tips.

the last cut of meat I'm getting out is a filet, it's tiny (healthy since it's so low fat, but tiny) and IMO always has some kind of sauce on it because despite the tenderness, without the fat it lacks some flavor.
Of the steaks I've eaten  
Bill L : 7/20/2016 8:26 am : link
I like the bone-in rib-eye, but I think my favorite is something called a Delmonico. I'm not sure if it's a real thing or has another name. It's nicely marbled though and tastes good to me.
Skirt steak lovers...  
Klaatu : 7/20/2016 8:37 am : link
Do you remember when you could get them for around three dollars a pound? It was a "butcher's cut," like hangar steak. You could go into any diner in the Northeast and get "Twin Roumanian Steaks" or a steak sandwich for a reasonable price. Then they got trendy and now you're lucky if you can find them for less than ten dollars a pound.
Give me a bone-in ribeye at Berns any day of the week  
Ben in Tampa : 7/20/2016 8:49 am : link
I've been on a pan seared ribeye kick at home, recently. Heat a pan in the oven to 500, sear the steak both sides for 30 seconds each then throw it in the oven for 2 minutes on each side. The whole scenario takes 10 minutes and dinner is great.
Bone-in Rib eye for me  
bigblue1124 : 7/20/2016 8:50 am : link

My second is tied with Filet and Skirt steak. I have never been a big fan or the NY Strip.

I will say recently in my area I have found Tri-tip and have been buying that. I have never cooked with it before and pretty impressed with the flavor. To me kind of a milder short rib flavor very good IMO.
Porthouse and T-bone are the same  
rasbutant : 7/20/2016 9:09 am : link
just size makes the difference. Or at least that's what our farmer told us. Its all about the filet side. If its bigger then a silver dollar its a porterhouse, if it smaller its a T-bone. I never googled it to see if what he told us was accurate.
I'm a strip guy...  
Johnny5 : 7/20/2016 9:23 am : link
... on the grill. Just not a fan of Filet for some reason, so just give me the strip side. Light salt heavier pepper... Closed grill on high, 8-10 min (4-5 each side). To me it just has the best combination of flavor and texture/consistency. Although I do enjoy a good ribeye... Strip for me!
All of the above  
AP in Halfmoon : 7/20/2016 9:39 am : link
But I split them. I like 8 maybe 12 Oz.
When cooking a bone-in steak...  
GeorgeAdams33 : 7/20/2016 9:43 am : link
always let the meat get to room temp first. The bone stays so cold that the meat next to it never cooks completely.
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Danny Kanell : 7/20/2016 9:43 am : link
1. Bone in ribeye.
2. Skirt steak.
3. Porterhouse.

In that order
I find...  
Chris in Philly : 7/20/2016 10:37 am : link
filet to be very overrated. I want some marbling in my meat. Ribeye for me as well...
no expert but I like the strip  
bc4life : 7/20/2016 10:42 am : link
if you cook the ribeye with the larger pieces of fat they don't get hot enough to melt into the meat. strip has thinner veins of fat
Ground Beef is better  
Scyber : 7/20/2016 10:53 am : link
Its the only type of beef I like.
I'm with BlueLou  
Maineline : 7/20/2016 10:53 am : link
I'd prefer the Porterhouse with really 2 steaks in one. Second choice would be just the tenderloin. The Rib eye for me is just too fatty and inconsistent. For a leaner, cheaper option the seldom utilized Short Cut of the Rump is pretty versatile.
Bone-in Ribeye  
B in ALB : 7/20/2016 10:57 am : link
cooked DIRECTLY on lump wood charcoal is probably the best beef I've ever had. Called a "Dirty Steak" and if done right is unbelievable.
+1 Ribeye  
Deej : 7/20/2016 11:10 am : link
I like a porterhouse because I only eat them at top notch steakhouses, but really, I do not like filets.

Not for my blasphemies: I often prefer steak frites (hanger) from a bistro to a fancy primal cut. I generally think lamb chops are better than steak, by a healthy margin. And I might feel the same way about Italian sausage.
Gentlemen  
Semipro Lineman : 7/20/2016 11:43 am : link
I present to you, Dollar Store Frozen Streak

Since Filet Mignon  
Sgrcts : 7/20/2016 11:52 am : link
Is probably the worst cut of steak, you get a hell no from me. Filet Mignon has no flavor at all. Rib Eye laughs at your porterhouse while it's hanging out with 10 supermodels on a yacht.
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Kulish29 : 7/20/2016 12:18 pm : link
"One is that it's just too much meat for me to eat in one sitting."
Ribeye.  
therealmf : 7/20/2016 12:22 pm : link
Salt and pepper liberally and let come to room temperature.

Now here is the odd part. Most steaks I eat rare to medium rare. For ribeye I like it close to medium. This gives the extra fat time to render and bast the meat. It also gives more time to breakdown some of connective tissue, something the ribeye has more of than a porterhouse. Let it rest for 5-10.
RE: Bone in ribeye for me  
buford : 7/20/2016 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13038838 mattlawson said:
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My favorite steak right now.

avacado oil is what I use when I need a high temp oil. But EVOO has a great flavor not found in your grape seed, etc


We found an avacado spray oil in the supermarket and put it on all meats while grilling. You can put on the Evoo after it's grilled if you want the flavor.
I'm a NY Strip man myself  
jcn56 : 7/20/2016 12:24 pm : link
The ribeye has a bit too much fat for me, and the filet in the porterhouse way too lean.
You guys ever  
Phil in LA : 7/20/2016 12:24 pm : link
Have a filet mignon roast?
I'm another ribeye vote  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2016 12:57 pm : link
It's foolproof. You simply can't screw it up even if you try.
RE: You guys ever  
Bill L : 7/20/2016 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13039298 Phil in LA said:
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Have a filet mignon roast?
Isn't that beef tenderloin?
One thing I've been doing  
phil in arizona : 7/20/2016 1:21 pm : link
is buying filets and having the butcher cut them in half so they are thin and I'll pan fry them with olive oil, garlic, mushrooms, tomatoes, and a little rosemary.

Another great thing to do with thinly cut filet is to make a steak diane. It's my go to "impress a girl" meal. I linked to Gordon Ramsay's recipe. It's outstanding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rWZNHkrsNg - ( New Window )
Flat Iron  
oldhemi : 7/20/2016 1:29 pm : link
Almost as tender as Filet, but has that steak flavor.$6-7 a lb vacuum packed at Krogers here in Houston. Usually a pound and a 1/ or so cut.
Another vote for bone in ribeye  
David in LA : 7/20/2016 1:41 pm : link
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I am not surprised there is a lot of good knowledge on the state of  
BlueLou : 7/20/2016 2:30 pm : link
beef here. Too many comments that I'd like to give a reply or a nod to, to mention the names so please forgive the lack of personal attention. Given three straight losing seasons, I fear many of us have upped our game on grilling and micro brewery knowledge as the late season games especially became less than crucial attention grabbers.

I mentioned my objection to the streaks and nodes of fat running through the ribeye and apparently that doesn't annoy many here like it does me. But you should at least understand that those nodes and streaks are NOT what makes this or that cut "tastier". It's the fine grained fat within the flesh that gives real prime grades and cuts their superior flavoring, as well as dry aging which is kinda rare to find nowadays (pun intended.) Thick streaks of fat that one finds within the rib eye as well as outside it when butchering or trimming a whole rib eye bone in roast, as well as on the entire perimeter of a Porterhouse or T-bone, barely contribute to flavor. They do increase to the greasiness of the steak, if left untrimmed. But it's no substitute for good marbling.

Filet mignon, or tenderloin, the smaller side of the T-bone or Porterhouse, is indeed a less flavorful cut than the ribeye or the sirloin side of the Porterhouse because it is in fact less well marbled. But in this specific flesh you don't need the marbling for tenderness at all; it is by far the tenderest cut of the entire animal.

And one person's "less flavorful" is another's "more delicate".

When we can find a large thick cut of Porterhouse, as one might find in rural Tuscany when ordering bisteca Chiantigana, the less flavored, less marbled, half step more cooked filet side goes to my wife. I take the rest and gnaw on the bloody meat at the bone...

Have another comment or two to make later.
RE: One thing I've been doing  
BlueLou : 7/20/2016 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13039379 phil in arizona said:
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is buying filets and having the butcher cut them in half so they are thin and I'll pan fry them with olive oil, garlic, mushrooms, tomatoes, and a little rosemary.

Another great thing to do with thinly cut filet is to make a steak diane. It's my go to "impress a girl" meal. I linked to Gordon Ramsay's recipe. It's outstanding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rWZNHkrsNg - ( New Window )


That sounds delightful.
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