I'll admit, I have a hard time judging DL play unless they're extremely disruptive/elite. It seems like he did okay filling in for Hankins last year, what do you guys think?
He appeared to be progressing well toward the last half to last quarter of the season. Certainly far from giving up on him..Perhaps he comes into his own this year. Or not..Hopeful
There were many times to me that when he and Hughes were in there they were causing more problems than whoever was starting. I think he has a good year for the defense. having a good 3rd DT keeps them all fresh
IMO, I think Bromley is due to break out in a decent rotation with Snacks and Hanks. He showed some promise last year and now knows the defense better too. He needs to show a little more ferocity IMO and I'd like to see him get a few sacks this year, as he was brought in to be a penetrator and interior rusher, from what I gathered.
But my opinion on him is we should have drafted Gabe Jackson or Trai Turner whom were both drafted in the third round after Bromley. Reese would have put the nail in the coffin with that draft class if he made that pick. Until Bromley is even given the opportunity to prove me wrong, that's how my opinion on Jay Bromley. Solid 3rd DT from the limited reps I saw, nothing special.
not sure how anyone but the biggest Giants homer could be positive on him. he's shown nothing - absolutely zilch. no pass rush, easily pushed aside on run plays. unable to beat out Markus Kuhn for a starting spot. part of the reason we had the worst DLine in the NFL last year.
This is his make-or-break year though to show some real ability to get after the QB from the DT spot. I think anybody saying they have a conclusive opinion on him is jumping the gun, so to speak. I believe he needed those first 2 years to develop, and this is the year we see the true Bromley.
I do not think that we sign Hankins to a huge deal with us signing Snacks this offseason. I think that if JPP comes back to form he will be our first priority with Hankins testing the market.
I do not think that we sign Hankins to a huge deal with us signing Snacks this offseason. I think that if JPP comes back to form he will be our first priority with Hankins testing the market.
I think JPP will make more than Hankins, if both were to have career years.
Why do you draft a guy who's been a 3-tech in college - and a pretty good one - and have him put on weight so you can plug him in at the 1-tech? Never made any sense to me. Now, reportedly, the Giants have had him lose the weight they previously had him put on. Go figure.
He hasn't done or played enough for any opinion on him to hold much weight. Lots of DT have had first two years like his and emerged as good players and lots have disappeared . However, this year is certainly a make or break one for him. He's in line to be the #1 rotational DT probably both for the 1 and 3-tech positions. We'll see and that's about all we can say.
not sure how anyone but the biggest Giants homer could be positive on him. he's shown nothing - absolutely zilch. no pass rush, easily pushed aside on run plays. unable to beat out Markus Kuhn for a starting spot. part of the reason we had the worst DLine in the NFL last year.
Well, that settles it. Bromley makes All-Pro this year.
but not enough to justify 3rd round status. I am curious to see what the new DL can do with him. Reportedly, DL coach is a master teacher, who coached for BB. And, Zgonina developed a rep for holding players accountable.
Bromley has physical ability and by all reports is a hard worker. Might be a case of working smarter, not harder.
the dismay that rang out over his Round 3 selection continues to be validated; maybe he'll turn the corner. I would not be a fan of keeping him at the expense of keeping Hank
not sure how anyone but the biggest Giants homer could be positive on him. he's shown nothing - absolutely zilch. no pass rush, easily pushed aside on run plays. unable to beat out Markus Kuhn for a starting spot. part of the reason we had the worst DLine in the NFL last year.
Well, that settles it. Bromley makes All-Pro this year.
Didn't you hear? They're going to trade him for an O-Lineman from San Francisco. Gonna happen any day now.
His numbers improved fom year one but it's hard to impress on the defense this team had last year. He has also yet to record a sack something he was projected to be good at. This is a big chance for him this year to show what he has learned in two years. He should be the third tackle in the rotation he needs to show us something more than he has to this point. To this day the idea to put him behind Hankins on the depth chart has completely confused me they are just two different players.
I am hopeful that Bromley pans out and starts showing something this
Defensive lineman often have to "learn" technique and the defense and that takes time. They also have to work out and gain strength and quickness out of college. How many rookie DL's excel (very few) and that is for a reason.
I don't think Bromley is a bust but I also haven't seen anything from him to make me believe he can be a starter either. I believe you just have to hope that this year, in camp, we hear good things and he clearly becomes the guy who comes in behind Snacks on 3rd downs. A guy who gets to rotat in some to give breathers.
Right now I'm optimistic with him simply because it is "pre-camp" time and I am a Giants fan. We really need Bromley, Owa and Wynn to develop and be stud rotation guys for us. It is a long season and if we are going anywhere this year it will be because our DL is strong and fresh.
My wildcard DT pass srush specialist is still FB Nikita simply because he rushed the passer well in college; flashed some as a pass rush DL last year; and now he has bulked up to 250 pounds so he could potentially handle the run at him.
If Bromley and the others develop into potential starting caliber types who don't start because the guys ahead of them are simply better well then we are on our way on defense. Games are often won in the last 7 minutes or less. A strong DL, a fresh DL, can help us win those last 7 minutes and therefore the game.
Why do you draft a guy who's been a 3-tech in college - and a pretty good one - and have him put on weight so you can plug him in at the 1-tech? Never made any sense to me. Now, reportedly, the Giants have had him lose the weight they previously had him put on. Go figure.
why draft a DE over the LB you need because of BPA and then play the DE at LB?
Why do you draft a guy who's been a 3-tech in college - and a pretty good one - and have him put on weight so you can plug him in at the 1-tech? Never made any sense to me. Now, reportedly, the Giants have had him lose the weight they previously had him put on. Go figure.
why draft a DE over the LB you need because of BPA and then play the DE at LB?
If you're talking about Kiwi, I agree. I was hoping they'd draft the late Thomas Howard, out of UTEP.
that makes it a bit more confounding because that happened under EA's watch; even if JR was director of scouting, that makes two GMs trying to make personnel suit their scheme preferences rather than v.v. I thought he may have been talking Damontre, of whom there was some talk about moving him to LB
Interesting site and stats sheet. I'm not sure that you can make a pure judgment of his ability based on this though. The coaches and team are the only ones that likely truly know how effective he was...or wasn't. All you can hope for right now with him as that in year #3 he blossoms.
Probably needs better coaching, too. I note with interest that when Linval Joseph went to Minnesota, the coaches there made some minor adjustments in his technique that helped him become a much better player.
Agree that this is Bromley's make or break season.
RE: RE: To be fair, he did get an honest number of snaps and didn't do much
Interesting site and stats sheet. I'm not sure that you can make a pure judgment of his ability based on this though. The coaches and team are the only ones that likely truly know how effective he was...or wasn't. All you can hope for right now with him as that in year #3 he blossoms.
Absolutely true. You can only definitively say based on snap counts that his "counting stats" like tackles and sacks simply were not good. 19 tackles and 0 sacks over 470 snaps and 16 games probably isn't what they were expecting for a 3rd round pick.
This doesn't replace watching game film and seeing how many pressures and good plays he had, but it's one piece of the puzzle. At some point though, you do need some numbers.
I was just looking at the roster and recall a "projected roster" article with DT Louis Nix listed as our #4 DT.
I'm not sure what DT Nix's upside is at this point. No idea really. He was on the team last year so at least he had an opportunity to learn the defense a bit.
But I couldn't help but think I wish we had a veteran DT, a guy who has started some and could be serviceable if he was forced to start due to injury. I don't believe Nix has much of any real experience. At least DT Bromley has played some snaps and knows the defense.
I have nothing but the highest regard for Bellichick
And the Super Bowl games do not nearly tell the whole story, but I often think that our XXV victory is misunderstood as time goes on. I know BB's game plan is in the hall of fame, but we did give up 19 points in 19 minutes. It was the brilliant plan by Parcells to grind the game out with ball possession that was the tactic that most influenced the outcome. Ironically, too, our defense was fortunate in the first super bowl only to have given up 10 points in the first half--Denver drove down twice and there was a missed FG and a goal line stand. The defense bailed itself out, but Elway and co. was moving effectively in the first half. Now, of course, the defensive effort that was BB's masterpiece was the two games in 90 against the niners, the way he could stop that offense with those weapons was crazy, giving up 7 and 13 points respectively on the road. Having both those quality coaches on our staff was something we might never see again (and we were doubly fortunate since in the 50s we had Lombardi and Landry running the offense and defense).
...and is going to be the 3rd DT and an important piece on the interior. If he can continue his development and the unit stays healthy we'll be very tough at that position this season
about this idea that we can't possibly evaluate Bromley. he's played plenty and why is it not fair to evaluate those snaps? He's done nothing. he has not developed, he's gotten worse IMO.
Fans are on the same scholarship mindset some of these players are. let's give the guy 2 years of showing jackshit before we even begin to evaluate him. Such BS.
Opponents were fresh as a daisy after slapping around Cullen Jenkins and Markus Kuhn. With the front four we have now, a guy like Bromley coming in fresh SHOULD be able to get some heat inside with limited snaps. OL are going to have their hands full with 670lbs of beef inside and JPP and OV outside, this is Bromley's shot to really make a mark as a pass rush specialist inside. Hoping he does, we need our depth on the DL to chip in and keep the horses fresh.
Opponents were fresh as a daisy after slapping around Cullen Jenkins and Markus Kuhn. With the front four we have now, a guy like Bromley coming in fresh SHOULD be able to get some heat inside with limited snaps. OL are going to have their hands full with 670lbs of beef inside and JPP and OV outside, this is Bromley's shot to really make a mark as a pass rush specialist inside. Hoping he does, we need our depth on the DL to chip in and keep the horses fresh.
Makes sense, doesn't hurt to face "wore down" OL. Bromley's body of work is "average at best" to date and we likely won't know what we truly have with him until this year's camp ends and we see him in game 1,2,3 or thereabouts. If he isn't doing well early in year #3 of his career, year #2 of this defense then we will know we need to draft a DT again next year as well as likely go after UFA's.
Bromley does appear to have a good work ethic so I'm hopeful.
...everyone's entitled to their opinion. Yours is just wrong in this case.
Yeah, I agree. To say he "got worse" is just not right.
Again, I think we'll know what we have with him by the time camp ends and certainly after the first few games. I like his work ethic and attitutde and that is always a good sign for the future of a player. He now knows the defense and has been in off-season workout programs and so forth so it is this year or bust.
But he hasn't been an effective starter in two years.
Jenkins was 34 last year, I believe, and just didn't have much left in the gas tank. I think the only reason he stuck was we had no one else! How sad is that.
I was just looking at the roster and recall a "projected roster" article with DT Louis Nix listed as our #4 DT.
I'm not sure what DT Nix's upside is at this point. No idea really. He was on the team last year so at least he had an opportunity to learn the defense a bit.
But I couldn't help but think I wish we had a veteran DT, a guy who has started some and could be serviceable if he was forced to start due to injury. I don't believe Nix has much of any real experience. At least DT Bromley has played some snaps and knows the defense.
Nix is another third rounder DT. Texans pick. 1 tech as far as I can tell. Projected as 1-2 round pick. Big middle guy. 6'2'' 330.
I was just looking at the roster and recall a "projected roster" article with DT Louis Nix listed as our #4 DT.
I'm not sure what DT Nix's upside is at this point. No idea really. He was on the team last year so at least he had an opportunity to learn the defense a bit.
But I couldn't help but think I wish we had a veteran DT, a guy who has started some and could be serviceable if he was forced to start due to injury. I don't believe Nix has much of any real experience. At least DT Bromley has played some snaps and knows the defense.
Nix is another third rounder DT. Texans pick. 1 tech as far as I can tell. Projected as 1-2 round pick. Big middle guy. 6'2'' 330.
I hope Nix is the goods and develops. As I noted, he was on the team last year and now again this year so he knows the defensive scheme. He is a big man and we need that.
I was just looking at the roster and recall a "projected roster" article with DT Louis Nix listed as our #4 DT.
I'm not sure what DT Nix's upside is at this point. No idea really. He was on the team last year so at least he had an opportunity to learn the defense a bit.
But I couldn't help but think I wish we had a veteran DT, a guy who has started some and could be serviceable if he was forced to start due to injury. I don't believe Nix has much of any real experience. At least DT Bromley has played some snaps and knows the defense.
Nix is another third rounder DT. Texans pick. 1 tech as far as I can tell. Projected as 1-2 round pick. Big middle guy. 6'2'' 330.
I hope Nix is the goods and develops. As I noted, he was on the team last year and now again this year so he knows the defensive scheme. He is a big man and we need that.
I like montori hughes backing up Snacks...let him battle Lewis the rookie for backup NT.
Nix despite his size is better 3T.....let him battle JB for the backup 3T. May the best man win
I like montori hughes backing up Snacks...let him battle Lewis the rookie for backup NT.
Nix despite his size is better 3T.....let him battle JB for the backup 3T. May the best man win
Okay, so you don't like Bromley. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion.
But what has Louis Nix done to make you declare that he's a better 3-tech than Bromley? If Bromley hasn't done much since he was drafted, next to Nix he looks like Aaron Donald.
to find out if a guy can play or not, that's not a good sign. He either makes, tackles, creates pressure, bats down passes, does something that you might remember after the game is over. Absolute reach pick in the 3rd round who has developed into a decent backup. Awesome.
to find out if a guy can play or not, that's not a good sign. He either makes, tackles, creates pressure, bats down passes, does something that you might remember after the game is over. Absolute reach pick in the 3rd round who has developed into a decent backup. Awesome.
As I recall when he was drafted, he wasn't really a "reach" but he did need work on his technique.
Most DL's and OL's that need "technique work" and "experience" blossom in their 3rd year after learning. We will know about Bromley this camp. If we see positive write-ups, some matchup wins in pre-season games where he clearly beats his man, we know we have a player. If it is all quiet about him than we know we have a guy who is only good for likely handling some snaps here and there for backup duty.
I'm hoping he becomes solid. A guy who if he started could hold the fort at least and not cause a major letdown. A guy a team couldn't focus on and attack as a weak link. My bet is this hardworking character guy improves by leaps and bounds this year. He played a lot last year, stayed healthy and now knows the defense cold. Lets hope he blossoms.
I think he replaces Snacks on 3rd and long. That is what we need and want.
I meant Nix is a better 3T than NT. He said as much after we picked him up from HOU, OBrien was misusing him at NT.
The battle for the backup 3T behind Hank should be Brom vs Nix. Best man win.
I meant Nix is a better 3T than NT. He said as much after we picked him up from HOU, OBrien was misusing him at NT.
The battle for the backup 3T behind Hank should be Brom vs Nix. Best man win.
You know, if Nix was mis-used by another team and we got him and use him to his talents, he could surprise and be our #3 DT. He is a big guy, was highly touted out of college, has some experience and knows our defense since he was with us last year.
The DT battle should be interesting. I hope both Nix and Bromley show so well that they could potentially be starters for other teams. Remember, Hankins is also a UFA after this year so if both of these guys show starting ability....we would be blessed.
I meant Nix is a better 3T than NT. He said as much after we picked him up from HOU, OBrien was misusing him at NT.
Did he really say that, because if he did, I couldn't find it. I did find some things O'Brien said about him and they weren't pretty. Nix did say it had been a while since he played in a 4-3. At Notre Dame, he played primarily the 0-tech in their 3-4, but occasionally they'd go to a 4-3, and when they did he played the 1-tech.
to find out if a guy can play or not, that's not a good sign. He either makes, tackles, creates pressure, bats down passes, does something that you might remember after the game is over. Absolute reach pick in the 3rd round who has developed into a decent backup. Awesome.
Why was he a reach, because you never heard of him? Because a bunch of draft gurus said so? Would they be same gurus who had a 1st Round grade on Louis Nix?
Well, Corey Chavous at DraftNasty.com had a 3rd Round grade on Bromley, and that's good enough for me.
Ummm, they are OFFENSIVE linemen. Not sure "tackles" is any way to judge them.
Re Bromley I don't see how anyone can grade him yet. INC from me.
I think JPP will make more than Hankins, if both were to have career years.
I think John will be more affordable to re-sign.
Well, that settles it. Bromley makes All-Pro this year.
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Bromley has physical ability and by all reports is a hard worker. Might be a case of working smarter, not harder.
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not sure how anyone but the biggest Giants homer could be positive on him. he's shown nothing - absolutely zilch. no pass rush, easily pushed aside on run plays. unable to beat out Markus Kuhn for a starting spot. part of the reason we had the worst DLine in the NFL last year.
Well, that settles it. Bromley makes All-Pro this year.
Didn't you hear? They're going to trade him for an O-Lineman from San Francisco. Gonna happen any day now.
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From PFF, after the Bucs game:
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Defensive lineman often have to "learn" technique and the defense and that takes time. They also have to work out and gain strength and quickness out of college. How many rookie DL's excel (very few) and that is for a reason.
I don't think Bromley is a bust but I also haven't seen anything from him to make me believe he can be a starter either. I believe you just have to hope that this year, in camp, we hear good things and he clearly becomes the guy who comes in behind Snacks on 3rd downs. A guy who gets to rotat in some to give breathers.
Right now I'm optimistic with him simply because it is "pre-camp" time and I am a Giants fan. We really need Bromley, Owa and Wynn to develop and be stud rotation guys for us. It is a long season and if we are going anywhere this year it will be because our DL is strong and fresh.
My wildcard DT pass srush specialist is still FB Nikita simply because he rushed the passer well in college; flashed some as a pass rush DL last year; and now he has bulked up to 250 pounds so he could potentially handle the run at him.
If Bromley and the others develop into potential starting caliber types who don't start because the guys ahead of them are simply better well then we are on our way on defense. Games are often won in the last 7 minutes or less. A strong DL, a fresh DL, can help us win those last 7 minutes and therefore the game.
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Why do you draft a guy who's been a 3-tech in college - and a pretty good one - and have him put on weight so you can plug him in at the 1-tech? Never made any sense to me. Now, reportedly, the Giants have had him lose the weight they previously had him put on. Go figure.
why draft a DE over the LB you need because of BPA and then play the DE at LB?
If you're talking about Kiwi, I agree. I was hoping they'd draft the late Thomas Howard, out of UTEP.
Vey underrated player, I also wanted him over Kiwi in that draft
Here's the snap counts for 2015, game by game.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BromJa00/fantasy/2015
Here's the snap counts for 2015, game by game.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BromJa00/fantasy/2015
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Agree that this is Bromley's make or break season.
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Here's the snap counts for 2015, game by game.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BromJa00/fantasy/2015
Interesting site and stats sheet. I'm not sure that you can make a pure judgment of his ability based on this though. The coaches and team are the only ones that likely truly know how effective he was...or wasn't. All you can hope for right now with him as that in year #3 he blossoms.
Absolutely true. You can only definitively say based on snap counts that his "counting stats" like tackles and sacks simply were not good. 19 tackles and 0 sacks over 470 snaps and 16 games probably isn't what they were expecting for a 3rd round pick.
This doesn't replace watching game film and seeing how many pressures and good plays he had, but it's one piece of the puzzle. At some point though, you do need some numbers.
I'm not sure what DT Nix's upside is at this point. No idea really. He was on the team last year so at least he had an opportunity to learn the defense a bit.
But I couldn't help but think I wish we had a veteran DT, a guy who has started some and could be serviceable if he was forced to start due to injury. I don't believe Nix has much of any real experience. At least DT Bromley has played some snaps and knows the defense.
Fans are on the same scholarship mindset some of these players are. let's give the guy 2 years of showing jackshit before we even begin to evaluate him. Such BS.
Bromley does appear to have a good work ethic so I'm hopeful.
Again, I think we'll know what we have with him by the time camp ends and certainly after the first few games. I like his work ethic and attitutde and that is always a good sign for the future of a player. He now knows the defense and has been in off-season workout programs and so forth so it is this year or bust.
Junk?
Gee, this was alluded to a couple hours before.
I'm not sure what DT Nix's upside is at this point. No idea really. He was on the team last year so at least he had an opportunity to learn the defense a bit.
But I couldn't help but think I wish we had a veteran DT, a guy who has started some and could be serviceable if he was forced to start due to injury. I don't believe Nix has much of any real experience. At least DT Bromley has played some snaps and knows the defense.
Nix is another third rounder DT. Texans pick. 1 tech as far as I can tell. Projected as 1-2 round pick. Big middle guy. 6'2'' 330.
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I was just looking at the roster and recall a "projected roster" article with DT Louis Nix listed as our #4 DT.
I'm not sure what DT Nix's upside is at this point. No idea really. He was on the team last year so at least he had an opportunity to learn the defense a bit.
But I couldn't help but think I wish we had a veteran DT, a guy who has started some and could be serviceable if he was forced to start due to injury. I don't believe Nix has much of any real experience. At least DT Bromley has played some snaps and knows the defense.
Nix is another third rounder DT. Texans pick. 1 tech as far as I can tell. Projected as 1-2 round pick. Big middle guy. 6'2'' 330.
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I was just looking at the roster and recall a "projected roster" article with DT Louis Nix listed as our #4 DT.
I'm not sure what DT Nix's upside is at this point. No idea really. He was on the team last year so at least he had an opportunity to learn the defense a bit.
But I couldn't help but think I wish we had a veteran DT, a guy who has started some and could be serviceable if he was forced to start due to injury. I don't believe Nix has much of any real experience. At least DT Bromley has played some snaps and knows the defense.
Nix is another third rounder DT. Texans pick. 1 tech as far as I can tell. Projected as 1-2 round pick. Big middle guy. 6'2'' 330.
Nix despite his size is better 3T.....let him battle JB for the backup 3T. May the best man win
Nix despite his size is better 3T.....let him battle JB for the backup 3T. May the best man win
Okay, so you don't like Bromley. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion.
But what has Louis Nix done to make you declare that he's a better 3-tech than Bromley? If Bromley hasn't done much since he was drafted, next to Nix he looks like Aaron Donald.
Giants tend to hold onto higher draft picks that suck.
That said, I hope Bromley kicks ass!
Most DL's and OL's that need "technique work" and "experience" blossom in their 3rd year after learning. We will know about Bromley this camp. If we see positive write-ups, some matchup wins in pre-season games where he clearly beats his man, we know we have a player. If it is all quiet about him than we know we have a guy who is only good for likely handling some snaps here and there for backup duty.
I'm hoping he becomes solid. A guy who if he started could hold the fort at least and not cause a major letdown. A guy a team couldn't focus on and attack as a weak link. My bet is this hardworking character guy improves by leaps and bounds this year. He played a lot last year, stayed healthy and now knows the defense cold. Lets hope he blossoms.
I think he replaces Snacks on 3rd and long. That is what we need and want.
The battle for the backup 3T behind Hank should be Brom vs Nix. Best man win.
The battle for the backup 3T behind Hank should be Brom vs Nix. Best man win.
The DT battle should be interesting. I hope both Nix and Bromley show so well that they could potentially be starters for other teams. Remember, Hankins is also a UFA after this year so if both of these guys show starting ability....we would be blessed.
Did he really say that, because if he did, I couldn't find it. I did find some things O'Brien said about him and they weren't pretty. Nix did say it had been a while since he played in a 4-3. At Notre Dame, he played primarily the 0-tech in their 3-4, but occasionally they'd go to a 4-3, and when they did he played the 1-tech.
Why was he a reach, because you never heard of him? Because a bunch of draft gurus said so? Would they be same gurus who had a 1st Round grade on Louis Nix?
Well, Corey Chavous at DraftNasty.com had a 3rd Round grade on Bromley, and that's good enough for me.