I say Yes.... Two time superbowl champ the teams all-time rushing TD leader and 4th all time in rushing. One of next years ROH inductees should be Brandon Jacobs
Tiki certainly has the statistics an accolades to warrant inclusion but I'm not sure the way he has comported himself since retiring makes him deserving. Just my opinion.
Are you kidding me BJ was just a JAG there is nothing special about him. I'll bet he was stuffed at the L.O.S. on 3rd and 4th down as many times as he scored.
You people lost all sense of reality
JAG? You clearly have no idea what you're watching when you watch football. Your comment is a joke and deserves to be called out as such.
as do many others. There's no reason to make the burden for "enshrinement" any tougher than it needs to be. They should also put in Hammer, Deihl, Bradshaw, Sehorn, and several others. Hell, put in Shockey. And if Pete Gogolak is in then put Tynes in too.
Tiki certainly has the statistics an accolades to warrant inclusion but I'm not sure the way he has comported himself since retiring makes him deserving. Just my opinion.
by that measure LT shouldn't even be allowed in the building.
Are you kidding me BJ was just a JAG there is nothing special about him. I'll bet he was stuffed at the L.O.S. on 3rd and 4th down as many times as he scored.
You people lost all sense of reality
JAG? You clearly have no idea what you're watching when you watch football. Your comment is a joke and deserves to be called out as such.
JAG, but yet, he's our all time leading rushing TD leader.
he was the heart and soul of the team. he was certainly an above average RB, and an important piece of the puzzle, but carry the team the way Tiki did in so many years? No.
the ring of honor should be a special spot, not for guys who were just pretty good.
Jacobs has him beat in every all time category - yards, TDs, YPC. I never saw Ron Johnson play but I can't say I've ever heard anyone ever toss his name around as one of the best in the league during his career. And Rodney Hampton post 1992 was a glacially slow plodder who eventually ate his way out of football. Jacobs was at least as good as any of them.
Greg, it's weird seeing how Hampton came into the league
looking like a fleet footed RB, then he became a patient, between the tackles runner. I remember him running 89 yards against Buffalo his rookie season. What happened? It just seems like that doesn't happen too often, where someone just changes their body composition and running style altogether.
was a short yardage back, but he averaged 4.5 ypc FOR HIS CAREER and when you consider how many short yardage situations he ran in, that number is even more impressive. and I'll cite some stats, but stats don't do Jacobs justice.
Additionally, he had two 1,000 yard seasons and 4 800 yard seasons (averaging over 5 ypc in three of the 4) and while 1,000 yards isn't a magical number anymore when you do it averaging over 4.5 ypc it's significant.
Both of his 1,000 yard seasons he was one of only 2 or 3 backs to average 5 ypc and break the 1,000 yard barrier.
Even 2010 when he "only" had 823 yards, no one in the entire league who had more yards than him, had a higher ypc average except Jamal Charles.
it was never about stats with Jacobs, especially when you consider the volume of short yardage carries he had and the fact there was almost always a RBBC with him in the backfield for a variety of reasons.
He was the heart and soul of two champions and a deadly runner with the ball who no one wanted anything to do with tackling. He was absolutely a tone-setter and on offense those are rare or are rare to have the persona he did unlike a Shockey who was "me first" Jacobs did whatever the team asked of him and you never heard a peep out of him complaining. In fact the raw emotion he showed when someone like Bradshaw or Ward did well he looked as happy as when he did when he had success himself.
People call him a Jag or not in the class of Hampton (who I liked a lot too) are purely looking at meaningless stats IMO.
Jacobs deserves it and not just as a fan favorite, but as a a primary member of and even a catalyst to two championships.
Jacobs deserves it and not just as a fan favorite, but as a a primary member of and even a catalyst to two championships.
Absent the "fan favorite" part, by that standard you can make an as-good or better case for David Diehl, Corey Webster, Kareem McKenzie, and maybe even Lawrence Tynes. Do they all get in?
Jacobs split time with 1 or 2 other backs, he wasn't even the clear
Morris was the lead back on a Super Bowl team.
Hampton was the workhorse of the 1990's, and much more than a plodder. He as an excellent back.
Ron Johnson was likely the best running back to ever wear the blue. The only guy I'd consider putting ahead of him would be Gifford. Tiki would be third.
Lets not rewrite history here and claim Jacobs was something he wasn't. The guy was a fan favorite, and one part of a running back tandem. However, unlike the guys above, he couldn't handle the job alone. He was a role player.
If we put Jacobs in then all the RB's above need to go in, as well as a whole lot of other Giants. We would likely need 6 Rings of Honor.
RE: Jacobs and Bradshaw as a tandem maybe, and the OL
So good for eachother. Great behind a great line of course.
I was thinking the same thing. As much as I love Jake, he probably doesn't go on his own. Ahmad Jacobs or Brandon Bradshaw definitely can go in the Ring.
The greatest Giants RB was Tiki Barber hands down... I'm just day dreaming about having Tiki Barber in his prime playing with the current offense.. highlight plays for days!
to the last few years of Jacobs career. In his prime he was a beast and his career was solid. It's he Ring of Honor, not the Hall of Fame and he was instrumental in both Super Bowl years. He should be in.
I understand a bit of the flip side of the debate, but as others have said, he was the heart/soul of the team for years, and will always bleed blue. Two time champ who was a big contributor. Gave the offense toughness it hasn't had since he finished his career.
Jacobs deserves it and not just as a fan favorite, but as a a primary member of and even a catalyst to two championships.
Absent the "fan favorite" part, by that standard you can make an as-good or better case for David Diehl, Corey Webster, Kareem McKenzie, and maybe even Lawrence Tynes. Do they all get in?
No, because I said "not just because he was a fan favorite" and IMO while all good players none of them were the heart and soul or tone setters of the team. Having a nasty streak on offense is rare. Jacobs played with an edge not many offensive players can pull off.
It's obviously subjective and if any of them were honored I wouldn't object too much but if I vote, I think Jacobs is just over the threshold and the other guys you named are not.
He automatically gets in for throwing the football at Jerrah's clock
Are you kidding me BJ was just a JAG there is nothing special about him. I'll bet he was stuffed at the L.O.S. on 3rd and 4th down as many times as he scored.
You people lost all sense of reality
JAG? You clearly have no idea what you're watching when you watch football. Your comment is a joke and deserves to be called out as such.
was a short yardage back, but he averaged 4.5 ypc FOR HIS CAREER and when you consider how many short yardage situations he ran in, that number is even more impressive. and I'll cite some stats, but stats don't do Jacobs justice.
Additionally, he had two 1,000 yard seasons and 4 800 yard seasons (averaging over 5 ypc in three of the 4) and while 1,000 yards isn't a magical number anymore when you do it averaging over 4.5 ypc it's significant.
Both of his 1,000 yard seasons he was one of only 2 or 3 backs to average 5 ypc and break the 1,000 yard barrier.
Even 2010 when he "only" had 823 yards, no one in the entire league who had more yards than him, had a higher ypc average except Jamal Charles.
it was never about stats with Jacobs, especially when you consider the volume of short yardage carries he had and the fact there was almost always a RBBC with him in the backfield for a variety of reasons.
He was the heart and soul of two champions and a deadly runner with the ball who no one wanted anything to do with tackling. He was absolutely a tone-setter and on offense those are rare or are rare to have the persona he did unlike a Shockey who was "me first" Jacobs did whatever the team asked of him and you never heard a peep out of him complaining. In fact the raw emotion he showed when someone like Bradshaw or Ward did well he looked as happy as when he did when he had success himself.
People call him a Jag or not in the class of Hampton (who I liked a lot too) are purely looking at meaningless stats IMO.
Jacobs deserves it and not just as a fan favorite, but as a a primary member of and even a catalyst to two championships.
This is so well written and so absolutely correct that, it's a shame it still won't matter to some.
No. Jacobs is a JAG because he got stuffed at the line a bunch of times. Don't tell these people he didn't. They seen't it all!
in his first preseason game and just knowing he was gonna be a beast. It's certainly debatable, but I hope he gets the nod. Plus, he told Rex where he can shove it.
And Frank Gifford are the only Giant running backs that deserve the honor, just because it is only 2 running backs does not mean that you put in undeserving players, and there are simply no other running backs that deserve the honor.
The backs that are closest are Joe Morris, Ron Johnson, Rodney Hampton, and Brandon Jacobs. In my opinion Hampton would be the closest out of the 4, Joe Morris next, then Ron Johnson, then Jacobs.
Jacobs was a very mediocre player and people trying to say he was special are simply wrong. He is not, he may have been a special figure, not a special player.
Hopefully him and Bradshaw go in together. I'm thinking 2021 season when the Cowboys come to town. It will be the 10 year anniversary of the 2011 Championship team.
That's not the same as saying he was bad. He was very good, but limited. That GIF of him running over Laron Landry is great, but what's missing is the rest of the play: Basically, he fell down right afterward. He delivered a lot of punishment because he was huge, but he wasn't that hard to tackle -- for a guy who had a reputation as a power back, he had lousy YAC.
In his prime, he was good for a couple of 30-50 yard runs a game (which is a helluva good thing, and a reason his YPC is so high), but he didn't have breakaway speed and DBs would run him down from behind.
Let's also remember that he did a few stupid things to embarrass the team. He was passionate, but he was also out of control sometimes.
Ring of Honor? It's the Giants' RoH, they get to set the rules. They decide what the standard is for that. Whatever they decide is fine with me. But I wouldn't be upset either way.
Someone's going to have to explain to me why Jacobs is supposedly
"mediocre" but Hampton and his sterling 3.8 career YPC should be in.
You can't compare the two. BJ was a spot player for most of his career. Shared the load his entire career. Not a knock just a fact. I remember lots of people screaming for Ward at times and BJ wasn't even our goal line back at the start of his career.
RH was the entire focus of our offense for many years. Hampton's number tailed off considerably with the emergence of Brown and under Reeves. None oof which was his fault.
RH was our entire offense behind Dave Brown. A Back with lots of talent who was essentially run into the ground. He would have starred on another more balanced team, he certainly showed flashes as a receiving threat early in his career until Reeves turned him into a one dimensional back on a one dimensional offensive team.
BJ has under 1200 carries. Hot Rod had just under 7000 carries with fewer fumbles than Brandon by the way.
Hampton's numbers tailed off because of the offense
But also because he hurt his knee, and because he wasn't dedicated to conditioning. After 1992, he was a heavy, slow, plodding power back. That's simply the facts. He was never again dynamic after injuring his knee, and matching SF's contract offer in 1995 was a huge mistake.
Jacobs split time because we had two other excellent backs, not because he wasn't good. There's absolutely no evidence you can point to for Hampton being better other than "oh, well he got all the carries and Jacobs didn't." Well, what did he do with those carries? His career high yardage was 1182, Jacobs' was 1089. So all that workhorseness resulted in another 5.8 rushing yards per game. That's some dynamite stuff there. I swear, it's like I'm taking crazy pills here.
I'll never forget all the news reports that came out of San Francisco saying not only did he want to leave but he wanted to play for the Giants again.
Tiki is already in the RoH
You people lost all sense of reality
by that measure LT shouldn't even be allowed in the building.
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Are you kidding me BJ was just a JAG there is nothing special about him. I'll bet he was stuffed at the L.O.S. on 3rd and 4th down as many times as he scored.
You people lost all sense of reality
JAG? You clearly have no idea what you're watching when you watch football. Your comment is a joke and deserves to be called out as such.
JAG, but yet, he's our all time leading rushing TD leader.
the ring of honor should be a special spot, not for guys who were just pretty good.
my vote: No
Also please just tell me how Jacobs waving a towel on the sideline at the half against the Cowboys doesn't amp the crowd up.
Fuck yes he belongs
Additionally, he had two 1,000 yard seasons and 4 800 yard seasons (averaging over 5 ypc in three of the 4) and while 1,000 yards isn't a magical number anymore when you do it averaging over 4.5 ypc it's significant.
Both of his 1,000 yard seasons he was one of only 2 or 3 backs to average 5 ypc and break the 1,000 yard barrier.
Even 2010 when he "only" had 823 yards, no one in the entire league who had more yards than him, had a higher ypc average except Jamal Charles.
it was never about stats with Jacobs, especially when you consider the volume of short yardage carries he had and the fact there was almost always a RBBC with him in the backfield for a variety of reasons.
He was the heart and soul of two champions and a deadly runner with the ball who no one wanted anything to do with tackling. He was absolutely a tone-setter and on offense those are rare or are rare to have the persona he did unlike a Shockey who was "me first" Jacobs did whatever the team asked of him and you never heard a peep out of him complaining. In fact the raw emotion he showed when someone like Bradshaw or Ward did well he looked as happy as when he did when he had success himself.
People call him a Jag or not in the class of Hampton (who I liked a lot too) are purely looking at meaningless stats IMO.
Jacobs deserves it and not just as a fan favorite, but as a a primary member of and even a catalyst to two championships.
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Jacobs deserves it and not just as a fan favorite, but as a a primary member of and even a catalyst to two championships.
Absent the "fan favorite" part, by that standard you can make an as-good or better case for David Diehl, Corey Webster, Kareem McKenzie, and maybe even Lawrence Tynes. Do they all get in?
Morris was the lead back on a Super Bowl team.
Hampton was the workhorse of the 1990's, and much more than a plodder. He as an excellent back.
Ron Johnson was likely the best running back to ever wear the blue. The only guy I'd consider putting ahead of him would be Gifford. Tiki would be third.
Lets not rewrite history here and claim Jacobs was something he wasn't. The guy was a fan favorite, and one part of a running back tandem. However, unlike the guys above, he couldn't handle the job alone. He was a role player.
If we put Jacobs in then all the RB's above need to go in, as well as a whole lot of other Giants. We would likely need 6 Rings of Honor.
I was thinking the same thing. As much as I love Jake, he probably doesn't go on his own. Ahmad Jacobs or Brandon Bradshaw definitely can go in the Ring.
I understand a bit of the flip side of the debate, but as others have said, he was the heart/soul of the team for years, and will always bleed blue. Two time champ who was a big contributor. Gave the offense toughness it hasn't had since he finished his career.
Yes.
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Jacobs deserves it and not just as a fan favorite, but as a a primary member of and even a catalyst to two championships.
Absent the "fan favorite" part, by that standard you can make an as-good or better case for David Diehl, Corey Webster, Kareem McKenzie, and maybe even Lawrence Tynes. Do they all get in?
No, because I said "not just because he was a fan favorite" and IMO while all good players none of them were the heart and soul or tone setters of the team. Having a nasty streak on offense is rare. Jacobs played with an edge not many offensive players can pull off.
It's obviously subjective and if any of them were honored I wouldn't object too much but if I vote, I think Jacobs is just over the threshold and the other guys you named are not.
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Without his 4th and 1 conversion and his awesome block on the touchdown to Plax, Super Bowl XLII is a hell of a lot more disappointing.
Yes, he deserves to get in.
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Are you kidding me BJ was just a JAG there is nothing special about him. I'll bet he was stuffed at the L.O.S. on 3rd and 4th down as many times as he scored.
You people lost all sense of reality
JAG? You clearly have no idea what you're watching when you watch football. Your comment is a joke and deserves to be called out as such.
Seconded.
Additionally, he had two 1,000 yard seasons and 4 800 yard seasons (averaging over 5 ypc in three of the 4) and while 1,000 yards isn't a magical number anymore when you do it averaging over 4.5 ypc it's significant.
Both of his 1,000 yard seasons he was one of only 2 or 3 backs to average 5 ypc and break the 1,000 yard barrier.
Even 2010 when he "only" had 823 yards, no one in the entire league who had more yards than him, had a higher ypc average except Jamal Charles.
it was never about stats with Jacobs, especially when you consider the volume of short yardage carries he had and the fact there was almost always a RBBC with him in the backfield for a variety of reasons.
He was the heart and soul of two champions and a deadly runner with the ball who no one wanted anything to do with tackling. He was absolutely a tone-setter and on offense those are rare or are rare to have the persona he did unlike a Shockey who was "me first" Jacobs did whatever the team asked of him and you never heard a peep out of him complaining. In fact the raw emotion he showed when someone like Bradshaw or Ward did well he looked as happy as when he did when he had success himself.
People call him a Jag or not in the class of Hampton (who I liked a lot too) are purely looking at meaningless stats IMO.
Jacobs deserves it and not just as a fan favorite, but as a a primary member of and even a catalyst to two championships.
This is so well written and so absolutely correct that, it's a shame it still won't matter to some.
No. Jacobs is a JAG because he got stuffed at the line a bunch of times. Don't tell these people he didn't. They seen't it all!
The backs that are closest are Joe Morris, Ron Johnson, Rodney Hampton, and Brandon Jacobs. In my opinion Hampton would be the closest out of the 4, Joe Morris next, then Ron Johnson, then Jacobs.
Jacobs was a very mediocre player and people trying to say he was special are simply wrong. He is not, he may have been a special figure, not a special player.
To bad "demoralizing hit" isn't a stat.
Tiki, Hampton, Gifford
I don't know enough about Joe Morris.
Jacobs is like Otis Anderson. Love them both but not RoH worthy.
In his prime, he was good for a couple of 30-50 yard runs a game (which is a helluva good thing, and a reason his YPC is so high), but he didn't have breakaway speed and DBs would run him down from behind.
Let's also remember that he did a few stupid things to embarrass the team. He was passionate, but he was also out of control sometimes.
Ring of Honor? It's the Giants' RoH, they get to set the rules. They decide what the standard is for that. Whatever they decide is fine with me. But I wouldn't be upset either way.
Nostalgia, essentially.
You can't compare the two. BJ was a spot player for most of his career. Shared the load his entire career. Not a knock just a fact. I remember lots of people screaming for Ward at times and BJ wasn't even our goal line back at the start of his career.
RH was the entire focus of our offense for many years. Hampton's number tailed off considerably with the emergence of Brown and under Reeves. None oof which was his fault.
RH was our entire offense behind Dave Brown. A Back with lots of talent who was essentially run into the ground. He would have starred on another more balanced team, he certainly showed flashes as a receiving threat early in his career until Reeves turned him into a one dimensional back on a one dimensional offensive team.
BJ has under 1200 carries. Hot Rod had just under 7000 carries with fewer fumbles than Brandon by the way.
Jacobs split time because we had two other excellent backs, not because he wasn't good. There's absolutely no evidence you can point to for Hampton being better other than "oh, well he got all the carries and Jacobs didn't." Well, what did he do with those carries? His career high yardage was 1182, Jacobs' was 1089. So all that workhorseness resulted in another 5.8 rushing yards per game. That's some dynamite stuff there. I swear, it's like I'm taking crazy pills here.
He deserves a place in the Ring Of Honor.