WASHINGTON — A Florida police officer shot and wounded an autistic man's black caretaker, authorities said, in an incident purportedly captured on cellphone video that shows the caretaker lying down with his arms raised before being shot.
North Miami Assistant Police Chief Neal Cuevas told The Miami Herald (http://goo.gl/rhHVyt) that officers responded to the scene Monday following reports of a man threatening to shoot himself. Officers arrived to find 47-year-old Charles Kinsey, a therapist who works with people with disabilities, according to WSVN-TV (http://bit.ly/2ac7zm1), trying to get his 27-year-old patient back to a facility from where he had wandered.
Cuevas says police ordered Kinsey and the patient, who was sitting in the street playing with a toy truck, to lie on the ground. Kinsey lies down and puts his hands up while trying to get his patient to comply. An officer then fired three times, striking Kinsey in the leg, Cuevas said. No weapon was found.
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What did cops get away with when cell phones didnt exist?
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What did cops get away with when cell phones didnt exist?
the shooting wasn't on video, so cell phones play very little part in any "getting away with it" in this case.
the officer should be tried, no doubt about it, and I think he will be, but I'd love to hear his explanation. In the video the victim said when he asked the officer why did you shoot me, the officer said "I don't know"
who do they hire for cops? Spiccoli? Maybe they should write those words on a message board for the world to see and give this POS officer full credit "I don't know". That's your reason for shooting an unarmed man?
I hate to say it this way because it might sound cold, but from a silver lining standpoint at least the guy isn't dead.
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Lets hear the officers side of events. Was there a threat? And open or concealed carries off screen? Was that guy a thug? Did he have a criminal record or history of violence?
Lets hear the officers side of events. Was there a threat? And open or concealed carries off screen? Was that guy a thug? Did he have a criminal record or history of violence?
WUT?
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Locked up for 1-2 years? He should be charged with attempted murder.
What did cops get away with when cell phones didnt exist?
the shooting wasn't on video, so cell phones play very little part in any "getting away with it" in this case.
the officer should be tried, no doubt about it, and I think he will be, but I'd love to hear his explanation. In the video the victim said when he asked the officer why did you shoot me, the officer said "I don't know"
who do they hire for cops? Spiccoli? Maybe they should write those words on a message board for the world to see and give this POS officer full credit "I don't know". That's your reason for shooting an unarmed man?
I hate to say it this way because it might sound cold, but from a silver lining standpoint at least the guy isn't dead.
The video did show that the victim was clearly no threat and there was no reason for him to be shot. Had there not been a video the cops could have claimed anything they wanted.
What does this even mean?
He was laying on the ground unarmed with his hands up and the cop fucking shot him. The officer flat out said he didn't know why he shot him, either.
There's no other side to hear here. This is inexcusable behavior.
it was a very tense and divided conversation but I think worth watching.
In the meantime, speaking of senseless shootings, lets not forget about this one.
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Locked up for 1-2 years? He should be charged with attempted murder.
What did cops get away with when cell phones didnt exist?
the shooting wasn't on video, so cell phones play very little part in any "getting away with it" in this case.
the officer should be tried, no doubt about it, and I think he will be, but I'd love to hear his explanation. In the video the victim said when he asked the officer why did you shoot me, the officer said "I don't know"
who do they hire for cops? Spiccoli? Maybe they should write those words on a message board for the world to see and give this POS officer full credit "I don't know". That's your reason for shooting an unarmed man?
I hate to say it this way because it might sound cold, but from a silver lining standpoint at least the guy isn't dead.
The video did show that the victim was clearly no threat and there was no reason for him to be shot. Had there not been a video the cops could have claimed anything they wanted.
You have no idea what happened before the shooting, you have a video after a shooting and a one-sided statement. they can still claim anything.
And to those officers who don't fit this "profile" and largely work out of a sense of public service...thank you (really).
Lets hear the officers side of events. Was there a threat? And open or concealed carries off screen? Was that guy a thug? Did he have a criminal record or history of violence?
Sometimes I think you're just here to rile people up. So anyone with a criminal record or considered a "thug" (who gets to decide this by the way?) is open game to be shot unarmed.
OK then. Sounds like a real life of "the Purge"
And to those officers who don't fit this "profile" and largely work out of a sense of public service...thank you (really).
the guy selling CD's was armed.
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Locked up for 1-2 years? He should be charged with attempted murder.
What did cops get away with when cell phones didnt exist?
the shooting wasn't on video, so cell phones play very little part in any "getting away with it" in this case.
the officer should be tried, no doubt about it, and I think he will be, but I'd love to hear his explanation. In the video the victim said when he asked the officer why did you shoot me, the officer said "I don't know"
who do they hire for cops? Spiccoli? Maybe they should write those words on a message board for the world to see and give this POS officer full credit "I don't know". That's your reason for shooting an unarmed man?
I hate to say it this way because it might sound cold, but from a silver lining standpoint at least the guy isn't dead.
The video did show that the victim was clearly no threat and there was no reason for him to be shot. Had there not been a video the cops could have claimed anything they wanted.
You have no idea what happened before the shooting, you have a video after a shooting and a one-sided statement. they can still claim anything.
Did you not watch the video? There is both before and after, but not the shooting itself.
The footage prior to the shooting shows the man lying on his back with his hands raised telling the police that he is a behavioral therapist in a group home and that the other man does not have a weapon.
The video after the shooting shows both men face down on the ground handcuffed with police hovering over them.
99.9% of the time I side with the police, but I can't on this one unless something out of left field comes out.
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In comment 13040159 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Locked up for 1-2 years? He should be charged with attempted murder.
What did cops get away with when cell phones didnt exist?
the shooting wasn't on video, so cell phones play very little part in any "getting away with it" in this case.
the officer should be tried, no doubt about it, and I think he will be, but I'd love to hear his explanation. In the video the victim said when he asked the officer why did you shoot me, the officer said "I don't know"
who do they hire for cops? Spiccoli? Maybe they should write those words on a message board for the world to see and give this POS officer full credit "I don't know". That's your reason for shooting an unarmed man?
I hate to say it this way because it might sound cold, but from a silver lining standpoint at least the guy isn't dead.
The video did show that the victim was clearly no threat and there was no reason for him to be shot. Had there not been a video the cops could have claimed anything they wanted.
You have no idea what happened before the shooting, you have a video after a shooting and a one-sided statement. they can still claim anything.
Did you not watch the video? There is both before and after, but not the shooting itself.
The footage prior to the shooting shows the man lying on his back with his hands raised telling the police that he is a behavioral therapist in a group home and that the other man does not have a weapon.
The video after the shooting shows both men face down on the ground handcuffed with police hovering over them.
Yes, I reached the same conclusion everyone else reached. Or almost everyone else. I'm just saying because the actual shooting is not on the video the cops can still lie and say anything they want.
And to those officers who don't fit this "profile" and largely work out of a sense of public service...thank you (really).
I suppose it varies by jurisdiction but I would not characterize law enforcement as "low pay" when you factor in the egregious retirement/pension packages.
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Lets hear the officers side of events. Was there a threat? And open or concealed carries off screen? Was that guy a thug? Did he have a criminal record or history of violence?
Sometimes I think you're just here to rile people up. So anyone with a criminal record or considered a "thug" (who gets to decide this by the way?) is open game to be shot unarmed.
OK then. Sounds like a real life of "the Purge"
This...
How would the cop even know if this guy had a history of violence to make any kind of a judgement off of that?
And if it's true that the cop said, "I don't know," then that is about a damning of an evidence of his incompetence and criminal act as you can get.
And to be fair, without the footage of the shooting, we have no idea if the guy tried to get up and that's what triggered the police to fire.
That doesn't mean that it was a justified shooting of course. I imagine the police report will have something similar in it.
I don't believe that's true, at least about the military. Last that I recall, the military stopped allowing folks with G.E.D.'s. They upped the requirement to an actual HS diploma. They also have become stricter on criminal records.
This...agree arc
I don't know where you live but I know the military standards have been raised and fire departments get to pick and choose from hoards of applicants for each opening.
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Right, I know several cops and one of them is a 100% a dick. Not all cops are bad...but some of them...as in all groups of people...are worthless.
I think 99% of people support the cops. The problem is less BLM and more the people who support the cops no matter what they do.
100% agree
I get your point but they are trying to point out that this won't have likely happened had it been a white therapist..
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It bothers me that it was important to write that he's a "black" therapist. The way the media writes these stories doesn't help society move forward.
I get your point but they are trying to point out that this won't have likely happened had it been a white therapist..
No, this is actually a legitimate issue and it happens constantly. The media is constantly defining minorities by their race but omit it when the person in question is white. I see this constantly. It shouldn't be that way.
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It bothers me that it was important to write that he's a "black" therapist. The way the media writes these stories doesn't help society move forward.
I get your point but they are trying to point out that this won't have likely happened had it been a white therapist..
No, this is actually a legitimate issue and it happens constantly. The media is constantly defining minorities by their race but omit it when the person in question is white. I see this constantly. It shouldn't be that way.
That's bc minorities are being shot by the fucking cops. That's why they make mention of their race.
Where's the rest of the tape. Seems strange to edit out the shooting.
99.9% of the time I side with the police, but I can't on this one unless something out of left field comes out.
Doesnt matter. SOP in the PR war is to make the guy who took a bullet look as bad as possible.