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Giants Special Teams: among league's best overall?

SGMen : 7/21/2016 4:35 pm
I was reviewing our special teams, especially in light of the new talent we have brought in, and I truly believe we have the potential to be a top 5 overall unit.

LS Zak DeOssie will be back and he is one of the better LS's in the league. Hopefully he is fully healthy and stays healthy because he is key and even gets downfield to make tackles.

K Josh Brown is among the more accurate NFL kickers and has a strong leg as well.

P Wing is solid as well, no real holes in his game.

KR Harris is among the league's very best not only returning kicks and punts BUT he is also an ace downfield tackler.

Now, the key to special teams is often having the first man NOT miss but make the tackle against a KR or PR. I believe we have a lot of young guys who will excel on specials along with new FB Johnson who we know is superb.

Thoughts? Do we have any clear cut holes that anyone can see? They say special teams win or lose about 2 games a year for you. I see two wins for us.
I remember  
Fish : 7/21/2016 4:56 pm : link
Reyna Thompson was always first one down field to make that big tackle. I can't think of anyone on the current roster that can do that on a consistent basis. This might be the only hole.
RE: I remember  
SGMen : 7/21/2016 5:05 pm : link
In comment 13040956 Fish said:
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Reyna Thompson was always first one down field to make that big tackle. I can't think of anyone on the current roster that can do that on a consistent basis. This might be the only hole.
Reyna Thompson was an all-time great when it came to getting downfield and being the first one in place to make the tackle, and he usually didn't miss.

But we do seem to have a core of exceptional special teams tacklers in WR D. Harris and FB Johnson, to name just two. I really like the potential of our rookie class as far as specials go as well. I think Goodson and Thompson can be studs with Perkins and Admas also contributing.

Tackling by the cover guys remains an issue.  
Red Dog : 7/21/2016 7:31 pm : link
The GIANTS do have some very solid specialists, notably Josh Brown, Zak DeOssie, and Dwayne Harris, with Brad Wing an average punter. That's not a bad situation for those four key positions on specials.

But, GIANTS coverage guys don't seem to know how to break down and get into proper position to make a tackle, particularly on punt coverage. The result is that the first guy down field often misses, with the return man gaining extra yards as a result. I put this issue squarely on coaching, both from roster turnover and teaching perspectives.

However, if you look at all the stats, the GIANTS did have a pretty good year overall on specials in 2015. Better than the prior two or three seasons. Let's hope this trend continues, and hopefully things improve further this season.
RE: Tackling by the cover guys remains an issue.  
SGMen : 7/21/2016 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13041066 Red Dog said:
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The GIANTS do have some very solid specialists, notably Josh Brown, Zak DeOssie, and Dwayne Harris, with Brad Wing an average punter. That's not a bad situation for those four key positions on specials.

But, GIANTS coverage guys don't seem to know how to break down and get into proper position to make a tackle, particularly on punt coverage. The result is that the first guy down field often misses, with the return man gaining extra yards as a result. I put this issue squarely on coaching, both from roster turnover and teaching perspectives.

However, if you look at all the stats, the GIANTS did have a pretty good year overall on specials in 2015. Better than the prior two or three seasons. Let's hope this trend continues, and hopefully things improve further this season.
First thing, I think P Brad Wing is better than middle of the pack average. No probowler but he isn't that bad, and that is why the Giants re-signed him long term.

We had pretty good overall coverage units. We have to hope that the youth we brought in; the return to health by many; and new UFA FB Johnson show well on specials and improve the units. I have a good feeling this will in fact happen.

Our return game was solid with Harris last year as well.
Bennett Jackson  
adamg : 7/21/2016 10:16 pm : link
is someone I'd expect to shine in that return thumper role and be a pleasant surprise on specials.
RE: Bennett Jackson  
SGMen : 7/21/2016 10:28 pm : link
In comment 13041154 adamg said:
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is someone I'd expect to shine in that return thumper role and be a pleasant surprise on specials.
Interesting, as I didn't realize he was very good on specials. See, I like safeties and linebackers on specials as they tackle on defense as well and are generally faster. We have fast veteran LB Robinson, LB Goodson, S Behre, S D. Thompson and so forth coming into town.

Should be fun to see. I really think our specials will be special and win us the "2 games" others would lose with lesser units.
I was presently  
ctc in ftmyers : 7/21/2016 10:33 pm : link
surprised at special teams last year.

Looks like we got some more talent in the draft and UDFA afterwords that can make them better.

& day to go an hope springs eternal.
RE: I was presently  
SGMen : 7/21/2016 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13041160 ctc in ftmyers said:
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surprised at special teams last year.

Looks like we got some more talent in the draft and UDFA afterwords that can make them better.

& day to go an hope springs eternal.
I too was surprised I knew they'd be better given their moves but they exceeded my expectations. Hoping they build on last year with the youth we now have.
The only way our specials are the best...  
EricJ : 7/21/2016 10:58 pm : link
is if 31 other team charters happen to slam into the side of a mountain tomorrow
RE: The only way our specials are the best...  
SGMen : 7/21/2016 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13041167 EricJ said:
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is if 31 other team charters happen to slam into the side of a mountain tomorrow
Seriously? We had a good group last year and we have the potential to be better this year. I don't see how anyone can diss last year's production?
I'm not sure the Giants kept the right kicker last year.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/22/2016 12:13 am : link
Chris Boswell might have been the better choice in the long run than Brown. We'll find out over the next year or two. And I didn't see anything special in Wing. Although a big improvement over a fading Weatherford, he looked pretty average to me.
RE: I'm not sure the Giants kept the right kicker last year.  
SGMen : 7/22/2016 1:11 am : link
In comment 13041190 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Chris Boswell might have been the better choice in the long run than Brown. We'll find out over the next year or two. And I didn't see anything special in Wing. Although a big improvement over a fading Weatherford, he looked pretty average to me.
Only time will tell but Brown was superb last year, just superb. I thought Wing was pretty good, not a top tier guy but good. This year will be very telling.
The Giants were good on STs last year.  
BlueLou : 7/22/2016 7:09 am : link
Whenever you draft 3 of your top 4 players on defense you expect to get some help on STs coverage, especially if those 3 are back 7 players. Looks like TE Adams can be s good STs guy as well, both covering and blocking on returns. In fact Adams better be s good STs player to lock down a roster spot.

That's potential on STs from 4 of 6 draftees.
Plus, in a close game or playoff scenario the team  
BlueLou : 7/22/2016 7:11 am : link
might ask OBJ to return kicks or punts. He was very good at it in college, especially KR.
RE: Plus, in a close game or playoff scenario the team  
SGMen : 7/22/2016 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13041232 BlueLou said:
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might ask OBJ to return kicks or punts. He was very good at it in college, especially KR.
Maybe, but D. Harris is so damn good at this too so justifying the risk is hard.

They are clearly better than the last few seasons  
Jimmy Googs : 7/23/2016 8:38 pm : link
when the ST units were just clear liabilities.

Still have stuff to improve on especially first couple guys down on punt coverage who seem to run past their targets.

Can live with the rest although need a solution for Brown soon.
RE: They are clearly better than the last few seasons  
SGMen : 7/23/2016 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13042953 Jimmy Googs said:
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when the ST units were just clear liabilities.

Still have stuff to improve on especially first couple guys down on punt coverage who seem to run past their targets.

Can live with the rest although need a solution for Brown soon.
J. Brown is getting older so leg strength is an issue but damn is he accurate. Hoping for repeat of last year's success. As for punt coverage, I think the youth we have now will actually help in terms of being faster.
Not trying to jinx him but expect Brown  
Jimmy Googs : 7/23/2016 9:09 pm : link
to miss a few more than last season when he was money. Need a younger leg at some point soon.

RE: Not trying to jinx him but expect Brown  
SGMen : 7/23/2016 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13043008 Jimmy Googs said:
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to miss a few more than last season when he was money. Need a younger leg at some point soon.
And I suspect we will add a younger guy first sign Josh Brown looks less than capable. We did that with Weatherford the punter when we traded for WING.

I'm actually hoping we score so many TD's in the redzone that all his short FG's won't be needed so maybe his percentages will go down. LOL
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