NFT: NYR: Kreider Arbitration

the other day. I guess there was more to it than that. Hope they lock him up at 5 for 25.

I believe you can delay the hearing if you're close to a deal.

Brett....

5/25 would be ideal, a lot of money but seems like the market rate. However, I could see CK wanting to bet on himself on a 1 year deal... in which case I think we have to trade him now while we have some leverage.

4.625 WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

In comment 13041365 TeamSchlitz1 said:

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4.625 WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

That's a good deal if the twitter reports are accurate.

Nice deal. 5th year would have been nice but I'm sure CK didn't want to go to age 30.

Nice job

well done by Gorton. He's having himself a fine, fine week.

In comment 13041365 TeamSchlitz1 said:

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4.625 WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Where did you see this?

If true, excellent.

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that's just as big a deal as the salary.

Chances are, not to sound like a downer -- but chances are we are going to want to trade this contract for picks in year 3 or 4.

yea I hate to even think of stuff like that, but if he scores 30+ goals either of the next two years, that's gunna be one of the best contracts in the NHL.

But good job by Gorton.

that Gorton finds himself in, I would think he is going to be VERY reluctant to hand out any no move/trade clauses moving forward.

for 5 year term, Brett. Hard to know - you'd think the cap will rise by then (never know with Bettman/these owners though) especially with oil stabilized.

Yeah, 5 year term would have been great considering Hank likely retires in 4 years... you could get a nice return for him most likely in that 4th year.

Only guy left now is Hayes... I'm guessing we'll bridge him since he's really proven very little to date...


Biggest issue remains the defense - perhaps this allows us to trade Hayes or Nash for Shattenkirk or Fowler. Fowler would obviously also return a pick or whatever in addition.

Now we turn to Hayes. It would not surprise me at all if Hayes is traded

No interest in Fowler for ne.

I really like Kreider, though I was a little disappointed in his play last year. But he is the type of player that the Rangers traditionally do not develop in house.

Dumba has a ton of potential and can already contribute on the offensive end

If you look at the average point curve, we did well:



Kreider had 43 points last year, only 120 forwards had 42 or more points last year. And I think he can be a 50 point guy.

Nash+NYR eating 20-25% of the deal makes a lot of sense to me for Shattenkirk or someone like that.

Gorton is having himself a week.

I'd be apt to see what we can get for Hayes in a trade but I don't want to just be giving him away. He slumped last year just like everyone not named Miller but after his rookie season we were generally convinced that he was going to be a valuable building block going forward. At the bare minimum you sign him to a bridge deal and trade him during the season after he's had a chance to build his value back up

Our old slow defense still scares me to death....fingers crossed that G and Staal have some sort of bounce back because all the youth and speed in the world on the front end won't be worth shit if our d can't make a breakout pass or continually gets stuck in our own end

Aaron Ward ✔ @NHL_AaronWard
Chris Kreider contract with #NYR has 11 team no trade in last two years. Paid $5M,$5M,$4.5M,$4M.

Girardi or Staal. Between the salary we would clear, and any potential picks/depth players we could of picked up it would of been the right move for the team. Not to mention it would force AVs hand in playing Rath and Skjei

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Only 11 teams, only 2 years, and on a player who will be under the age of 30.

Still wish these weren't the currency we dealt in, but this one is hardly tragic.

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie
Told Kreider insisted on 4 yrs as opposed to 5. That's why AAV is lower than Palmieri. Gets to UFA 1 yr earlier though it will be lockout yr

I think Nash will stay. Vesey is up in the air.

In comment 13041445 bigbluehoya said:

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Only 11 teams, only 2 years, and on a player who will be under the age of 30. Still wish these weren't the currency we dealt in, but this one is hardly tragic.

I know its only 11 teams but in a tight salary cap league where the difference between Pittsburgh and Winnipeg isn't all that drastic... it sucks to limit trade partners. I knew there had to be damn catch to getting him at 4.625

Still hurts our ability to maximize value if it does come to a trade

2 years.

He will have 2 years left with only $8.5m of cash due, 27 years old and hopefully 2 50-point seasons under his belt.

That summer will be a big one for the Rangers.

Nash off the books
Klein off the books
Miller and Zucc UFAs
Staal deal moves to partial-NMC I think

And I'm sure other stuff.

As of right now, it basically it looks like the rangers have propped the window open for 2 more years while getting a little bit younger, with an option for a significant reset in 2 years.

I'd feel a helllll of a lot better if we could add a young 2-way defenseman (of course, what team wouldn't...)

if they trade Hayes it will be post August 15th. I don't like our Vesey odds, but we can kiss them goodbye if we trade his good buddy right before he decides. I also think they covet his size at center and he is going nowhere.

With that being said, I would not mind trading him. He is so laid back that it really rubs me the wrong way sometimes. But that's not totally fair. If we could rid ourselves of one of Staal/G contracts, you have to give him up I think, regardless of how minimal the return is.

Hayes is the kind of guy who could get traded and immediately improve under a coach who uses him properly.

I probably could have stopped at "I'd rather just fire Vigneault". He's done an atrocious job over the past two seasons.

In comment 13041495 Greg from LI said:

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I probably could have stopped at "I'd rather just fire Vigneault". He's done an atrocious job over the past two seasons.

Last year, you know I unequivocably agree with you. Not sure about the Presidents Trophy year though. Caught some tough injury breaks. Playing McDonaugh when his foot couldn't be iced in time and dressing only 11 forwards... one of them Glass who he proceeded to play for 6 minutes... was inept though.

player. You don't trade 22 yr olds like that.

Victor - Hayes is big, but I don't know that anyone would call him physical.

In comment 13041528 Victor in CT said:

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player. You don't trade 22 yr olds like that.

I would do Hayes, Fast and Staal for Dumba

About for not hitting, etc.

I still think Hayes had a better year than people give him credit for - I think his S% drop to a more normal level (mostly luck) and losing Hagelin hurt his production more than his own play.

He's 24, btw.

Does Hayes + Klein + Staal @ $2m retained bring back Trouba or Barrie?

Probably not enough, but I'd absolutely consider a move like that.

Or Hayes for Dumba and a pick?

I do not want Fowler.

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Kreider' contract will be a huge asset in bigbluehoya : 10:20 am : link : reply 2 years. He will have 2 years left with only $8.5m of cash due, 27 years old and hopefully 2 50-point seasons under his belt.

But sure, why not!

I actually think it's a pretty good deal for you guys, though.

not a fan of him in that system.

I like Kevin much better than Jimmy, but neither Hayes are a fit for their coaches style of play. Jimmy more than Kevin IMO because he is physical (but less skilled).

Kevin needs to be paired with a Kane or Crosby like skill guy to be successful IMO - or to reach his potential I should say. I'd trade him for a defenseman if the opportunity comes up and replace him pretty easily.

In comment 13041560 Mike in Long Beach said:

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Quote: Kreider' contract will be a huge asset in bigbluehoya : 10:20 am : link : reply 2 years. He will have 2 years left with only $8.5m of cash due, 27 years old and hopefully 2 50-point seasons under his belt. But sure, why not! I actually think it's a pretty good deal for you guys, though.

You mean in 3 full seasons he's only scored over 40 twice?

He's 25, and I said hopefully, dipshit.

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In comment 13041528 Victor in CT said: Quote: player. You don't trade 22 yr olds like that. I would do Hayes, Fast and Staal for Dumba

but would they??? I wouldn't take Staal

In comment 13041561 pjcas18 said:

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Kevin needs to be paired with a Kane or Crosby like skill guy to be successful IMO - or to reach his potential

Well then. I'm not sure what you are trying to say here but if the point is for the guy to be a good player he needs to be paired with a Hall of Famer... that doesn't bode well for Hayes since 98% of players never get that opportunity.

In comment 13041454 Anakim said:

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I think Nash will stay. Vesey is up in the air.

Figure Vesey is destined for Boston yet thought the same about Hayes years ago.

In comment 13041581 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 13041561 pjcas18 said: Quote: Kevin needs to be paired with a Kane or Crosby like skill guy to be successful IMO - or to reach his potential Well then. I'm not sure what you are trying to say here but if the point is for the guy to be a good player he needs to be paired with a Hall of Famer... that doesn't bode well for Hayes since 98% of players never get that opportunity.

I sort of corrected myself to say "reach his potential" and everyone has different levels of success, but I don't think for example Kevin Stevens has Kevin Stevens career without Mario Lemieux (cocaine issues aside).

that's my point, to play at this level some guys can create others need people to create for them, and then can contribute.

I view Hayes as a contributor, not a creator and he's not going to contribute to the extent to be valuable enough to be part of your teams long term strategy with Gerbe and Fast on the wings IMO.

So based on how the Rangers are built, I'd deal Hayes before re-signing him. I don't think they'll ever get enough value out of him to make it worth it.

Just my opinion....

In comment 13041573 bigbluehoya said:

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In comment 13041560 Mike in Long Beach said: Quote: Quote: Kreider' contract will be a huge asset in bigbluehoya : 10:20 am : link : reply 2 years. He will have 2 years left with only $8.5m of cash due, 27 years old and hopefully 2 50-point seasons under his belt. But sure, why not! I actually think it's a pretty good deal for you guys, though. You mean in 3 full seasons he's only scored over 40 twice? He's 25, and I said hopefully, dipshit.

I hope Ryan Strome wins the Art Ross trophy.

Also, it was a joke. Calmmm downnn.

In comment 13041592 pjcas18 said:

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I view Hayes as a contributor, not a creator and he's not going to contribute to the extent to be valuable enough to be part of your teams long term strategy with Gerbe and Fast on the wings IMO.

I'm not sure where you're reading that Hayes is destined for the 4th line. I imagine he'll C the 2nd line along with Zibanejad (AV will play the hot hand... and injuries happen) and get his chance to play with better players than he's centered in the recent past... Miller, Kreider, Buch, probably Nash & Zuccs at some point, etc.

In comment 13041597 Mike in Long Beach said:

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I hope Ryan Strome wins the Art Ross trophy. Also, it was a joke. Calmmm downnn.

We need to work on that humor of yours.

In comment 13041598 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 13041592 pjcas18 said: Quote: I view Hayes as a contributor, not a creator and he's not going to contribute to the extent to be valuable enough to be part of your teams long term strategy with Gerbe and Fast on the wings IMO. I'm not sure where you're reading that Hayes is destined for the 4th line. I imagine he'll C the 2nd line along with Zibanejad (AV will play the hot hand... and injuries happen) and get his chance to play with better players than he's centered in the recent past... Miller, Kreider, Buch, probably Nash & Zuccs at some point, etc.

I don't think the Rangers have the right players to combine with him period. MSL was closest in recent years but he was 40 I think before he was ever even on the Rangers.

That's the type of player I see Hayes thriving with. Nash is the closest I think he'd do well with, but even Nash isn't ideal if 2015 - 2016 Nash is what you get from him going forward.

In comment 13041601 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 13041597 Mike in Long Beach said: Quote: I hope Ryan Strome wins the Art Ross trophy. Also, it was a joke. Calmmm downnn. We need to work on that humor of yours.

To be fair, I'm sure Strome has a great shot if he can manage to stop getting scratched from playoff games