Judging by the fact that it is past 9:00AM and we haven't gotten any news, I am guessing the arbitration has began.
IMO, I do not think this is a good sign. I always said I thought it was going to be a long term deal or a trade. Hoping for the former, but at this point it seems unlikely.
What do you guys think? I think if we hear about a 1 year deal, a trade will soon follow. But I could be way off, just a guess from a fan without any real inside info.
As for whether we're better, we had an awful lot of guys who had disastrous seasons. And very few guys who over performed. Adding in youth and the maturation of the power forwards (who take longer), we could very easily be a lot better this year. Basically, play the games. I dont think we're as bad as we looked at times last year.
As for whether we're better, we had an awful lot of guys who had disastrous seasons. And very few guys who over performed. Adding in youth and the maturation of the power forwards (who take longer), we could very easily be a lot better this year. Basically, play the games. I dont think we're as bad as we looked at times last year.
Agree about top 4 if he's paired with someone who has some offensive savvy. If not, you better hope it's like a matchup thing we're your line is opposite the other teams first line. Because he excels at positional D, just if he's not paired with someone who can jump into the play in the offensive zone I think that line won't be as effective scoring. I have no idea how long it would take him to develop that comfort, maybe not long at all, I was amazed at his metamorphosis from game 1 to game 2 in the PO's.
Do they have anyone else who might come up in the next year or two on the blueline besides Graves?
We have a lot of ok forward prospects we could probably move for similarly valued D prospects. And there is always the route of NCAA free agents, who should be drawn to our lack of young D depth.
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We knew he would take a discount to come to the Rangers. Shatty grew up as a Rangers and is willing to take a discount to come here ala so many others before him (still waiting for someone to say they actually want to come to the Islanders).
But like I said, even if we trade Nash in a deal for Shattenkirk, it'd essentially be robbing Peter to pay Paul because while we would've fixed our PMD/PP QB/top-four RD issue, we would've lost our only consistent goal scoring threat...that is, unless they're really confident in Buchnevich.
Skjei --- Dumba/Shattenkirk/Klein
Holden --- McIlrath/Girardi (but mostly McIlrath)
Graves/Girardi
And I think Staal gets traded
And worse comes to worse, we go forward with the guys we have now and sign Shattenkirk next offseason
I'm not just shoving him off for a mediocre pick or two, but I'm not against moving him.
Skjei --- Dumba/Shattenkirk/Klein
Holden --- McIlrath/Girardi (but mostly McIlrath)
Graves/Girardi
And I think Staal gets traded
To replace last year's D corpse, no doubt.
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The skill and athleticism levels in the league right now just dwarf what we saw 15-40 years ago. There arent immobile goalies defended by boxers on skates to take advantage of anymore.
Deej, that's too broad and generalized. Rogie Vachon epitomized the stand-up goalie, and he was very athletic, gifted, quick. Even Giacomin was pretty athletic. And the first giant in the NHL nets, Ken Dryden, whom I saw play in college as well as in NHL, nicknamed the spider by some, was an all around athlete, not an immobile type more along the lines of Glenn Hall.
I'm not just shoving him off for a mediocre pick or two, but I'm not against moving him.
They explored dealing him last year and didn't get offered much in return. Maybe a second. He'd return even less now.
He is a good player but he'll always sadden me a bit in that 1) he was traded for del zotto who it turns out would have been a nice fit here the past two years and this year (and we wouldn't have needed yandle)
And 2- they had a choice of retaining one of hagelin or Klein... Chose Klein which turned out to be the poor choice
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But his value is as high now as it's ever going to be.
I'm not just shoving him off for a mediocre pick or two, but I'm not against moving him.
They explored dealing him last year and didn't get offered much in return. Maybe a second. He'd return even less now.
He is a good player but he'll always sadden me a bit in that 1) he was traded for del zotto who it turns out would have been a nice fit here the past two years and this year (and we wouldn't have needed yandle)
And 2- they had a choice of retaining one of hagelin or Klein... Chose Klein which turned out to be the poor choice
I don't understand you. Klein for Del Zotto has proven to be one of the best deals in Sather's tenure. And it wasn't Hagelin or Klein. You could argue it was Nash or Hagelin. Or Zuccarello or Hagelin. But Klein or Hagelin? One was under contract and one was not. BTW, who would've been our top-4 RD if not for Klein? Girardi, Boyle or McIlrath. Y-I-K-E-S.
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But his value is as high now as it's ever going to be.
I'm not just shoving him off for a mediocre pick or two, but I'm not against moving him.
They explored dealing him last year and didn't get offered much in return. Maybe a second. He'd return even less now.
He is a good player but he'll always sadden me a bit in that 1) he was traded for del zotto who it turns out would have been a nice fit here the past two years and this year (and we wouldn't have needed yandle)
And 2- they had a choice of retaining one of hagelin or Klein... Chose Klein which turned out to be the poor choice
I don't understand you. Klein for Del Zotto has proven to be one of the best deals in Sather's tenure. And it wasn't Hagelin or Klein. You could argue it was Nash or Hagelin. Or Zuccarello or Hagelin. But Klein or Hagelin? One was under contract and one was not. BTW, who would've been our top-4 RD if not for Klein? Girardi, Boyle or McIlrath. Y-I-K-E-S.
I'm not sure how one concludes Klein is anything more than jag. I Like him but anyone who doesn't drool would take last years del zotto and the next 5 years of del zotto over Klein. The deal was fine on Sathers part but Sathers best trade starts and ends with mcdonaugh. No other trade comes within that zip code.
And yes both Klein and Hagelin as well as talbot were shopped last June. We had to fit under the cap and those were the two movable deals. We couldn't find a taker at a remotely decent price for Klein.
That RH pairing you listed above would not have performed worse than this years group by the way.
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In comment 13042846 bigbluehoya said:
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But his value is as high now as it's ever going to be.
I'm not just shoving him off for a mediocre pick or two, but I'm not against moving him.
They explored dealing him last year and didn't get offered much in return. Maybe a second. He'd return even less now.
He is a good player but he'll always sadden me a bit in that 1) he was traded for del zotto who it turns out would have been a nice fit here the past two years and this year (and we wouldn't have needed yandle)
And 2- they had a choice of retaining one of hagelin or Klein... Chose Klein which turned out to be the poor choice
I don't understand you. Klein for Del Zotto has proven to be one of the best deals in Sather's tenure. And it wasn't Hagelin or Klein. You could argue it was Nash or Hagelin. Or Zuccarello or Hagelin. But Klein or Hagelin? One was under contract and one was not. BTW, who would've been our top-4 RD if not for Klein? Girardi, Boyle or McIlrath. Y-I-K-E-S.
I'm not sure how one concludes Klein is anything more than jag. I Like him but anyone who doesn't drool would take last years del zotto and the next 5 years of del zotto over Klein. The deal was fine on Sathers part but Sathers best trade starts and ends with mcdonaugh. No other trade comes within that zip code.
And yes both Klein and Hagelin as well as talbot were shopped last June. We had to fit under the cap and those were the two movable deals. We couldn't find a taker at a remotely decent price for Klein.
That RH pairing you listed above would not have performed worse than this years group by the way.
How is Klein a JAG? He's as solid of a 2nd pair guy as they come. Not only is he a solid defensive presence, but from the time he got traded to the Rangers he's been surprisingly great on offense. 18 goals the last two seasons is nothing to sneeze at. I'm not really sure how much else you can ask for him. He's much better than Del Zotto right now and the trade was a huge win, especially since Del Zotto was jettisoned from Nashville.
And the last part is also bullshit. Klein was on the top pair when AV finally came to his senses and demoted Girardi and there was finally some stability brought to the first pair. Girardi, Boyle and McIlrath were and are far inferior to Klein both on offense and defense (the jury is out on McIlrath). And it's simple: we didn't want to trade Klein last year. If we did, we would have. A guy with his stats, his locker room presence and his contract would surely net a very good return. In fact, most were afraid that he piqued last year and we should have traded him in order to get a good return. Well, he only duplicated his performance this season and surely if we want to, we could get a very good return.