Here we go!
-Verrett VS Conley
-Zack Wheeler plans to throw off a mound at Marlins Park in front of Mets brass
-Cubs pitcher Clayton Richard, who underwent thoracic outlet surgery in 2014, believes the procedure will help Matt Harvey. I felt so much better afterward. Its really been a new lease on my career, Richard tells Matt Ehalt in the Record. Very happy I had it done, because I would honestly probably be done. I couldnt really throw. I hope its the same for him. That isnt anything you want to go through.
-LGM!
Also, dont pitch to Stanton.
I think DeGrom can hold is own versus their ace, but sure would be nice to get a win tonight. A bad weekend here and they will likely be multiple games behind multiple teams for the WC.
And the Cards are 7-3 in their last 10 and even with the Mets in the loss column.
@lamelaza_7 3B
@cgrand3 RF
@ynscspds LF
Flores 1B
@NeilWalker18 2B
Cabrera SS
d'Arnaud C
@juanlagares2 CF
@lverrett4 P
They also need Conforto turn back into the young star he is expected to be. That with another setup man, maybe a back end starter like Cashner and I'm good.
Over the last 2-3 years at times Duda & TdA looked like they could be multi-year solutions at their respective positions - but they've been wildly inconsistent players.
Walker, Granderson, and Cabrera are solid vets who are serving their purpose as placeholders - they're just all miscast as middle of the order players.
The biggest reason for hope has also been the single most disappointing piece of the team this year - Conforto. He looked like he was going to take the baton as face of the franchise at the beginning of the year and it just went south. Second biggest factor is getting the bare minimum of production from TdA/Duda, who at this point may just be guys we can never rely on in big roles.
Walkers current season is pretty much in line with his averages in Pittsburgh, with a slightly lower BA. Hes just an above average 2B, no all star
Walkers current season is pretty much in line with his averages in Pittsburgh, with a slightly lower BA. Hes just an above average 2B, no all star
That's not true man. Walker has been much worse. Walker and Murphy's careers have basically been identical up until now. Walker is having an all time awful season by his standards. He's barely above league average. He definitely needs to bat 7th though.
Wright was a "phenomenal component" of our lineup this year might be your most ridiculous statement ever. Is that why moving him down the lineup was a major topic of conversation virtually the entire season? He played in 37 games hitting .226 with 55 K's and 14 RBI's.
Duda played in virtually the same number of games and the next hit he gets against a lefty will be his 2nd for the entire season. 25% of the season isn't exactly a super small sample size either.
Granderson
Conforto(assuming he gets back on track)
Cespedes
Duda
TDA
Walker/Flores
Cabrera
Hope it happens at some point in the future.
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Of our lineup as recently as last year and this year. Is it any coincidence our lineup was performing out of this world when Wright and Duda were in it through April? No. Everybody was pissing and moaning about two of our best performers... Well... They got to see what our lineup could be like without them and this is it.
Wright was a "phenomenal component" of our lineup this year might be your most ridiculous statement ever. Is that why moving him down the lineup was a major topic of conversation virtually the entire season? He played in 37 games hitting .226 with 55 K's and 14 RBI's.
Duda played in virtually the same number of games and the next hit he gets against a lefty will be his 2nd for the entire season. 25% of the season isn't exactly a super small sample size either.
Hahaha. Dabid Wright posted a wRC+ of 119 this year. That STILL holds up as second best on the entire team to Cespedes. Last year he was at 133 (all-star level). I would kill for Wright's .350 OBP and pop at the top of the lineup right now. Wright was on pace for 28 HR and a .350 OBP. That's bad?? The crazy thing is his average likely WOULD have normalized and come up as well.
As for Duda. Holy smokes. Not only did the guy play with a broken bone in his back but you are trying to dissect a whopping 25 atbats against lefties? Please tell me this is a joke. Duda did an excellent job hitting lefties last year. Oh... and even with Duda's broken back and limited sample he was ALSO STILL on pace for 28-30 HR himself. Yeah... because our lineup doesn't need that in the middle of it. lol.
During the session, Wheeler threw 30 pitches without incident.
Im happy where Im at right now, Wheeler told reporters in Miami.
The next step for the 26-year old right-hander is to face live batters before throwing simulated innings and eventually heading out on a minor league rehab assignment.
As of now, Wheelers return timetable remains the same. The Mets still believe that he can be ready to take the mound at Citi Field by mid to late August.
.@cgrand3 is batting .310 with a .397 OBP, 4 doubles, 3 home runs and 8 RBI over his last 17 games. #MetsFacts
Best Nats trade info: They want in on Chapman. Others very interested. Won't give up Giolito, Turner, Robles, Lopez.
3h
Yep. Catching the Marlins (!) should be our short term goal right now. The season is looking worse and worse if we don't win this series.
And there were plenty of articles written about moving Wright down the lineup, none of which were authored by anyone on BBI.
And there were plenty of articles written about moving Wright down the lineup, none of which were authored by anyone on BBI.
Hate to break it to you but it doesn't. "Average Jeter" is exactly how Wright was playing this year which is exactly why your argument is beyond idiotic. Who thinks wRC+ (fangraphs) OPS+ (baseball refernece/Im fine if you use this instead) or OPS (basically what we are talking about with minor adjustments) is the ultimate measure of offensive production?? LOL. How about everyone living in the 21st century. I'm sorry it pisses you off so bad. It's clear you have no problem pulling out WARS or whatever you feel like when it better suits your argument. Oh and please show me these professional articles about Wright written by the Kieth Laws of the world or anyone with even a shred of actual baseball knowledge. I'm dying to read them. Since you're STILL lost...
"Similar to OPS+, Weighted Runs Created Plus (wRC+) measures how a players wRC compares with league average after controlling for park effects. League average for position players is 100, and every point above 100 is a percentage point above league average. For example, a 125 wRC+ means a player created 25% more runs than a league average hitter would have in the same number of plate appearances. Similarly, every point below 100 is a percentage point below league average, so a 80 wRC+ means a player created 20% fewer runs than league average.
wRC+ is park and league-adjusted, allowing one to to compare players who played in different years, parks, and leagues. Want to know how Ted Williams compares with Albert Pujols in terms of offensive abilities? This is your statistic. wRC+ is the most comprehensive rate statistic used to measure hitting performance because it takes into account the varying weights of each offensive action and then adjusts them for the park and league context in which they took place.
If you want a rate statistic for hitters that weights each offensive action and controls for league and park effects, wRC+ is for you. While wOBA is a huge step forward from stats like batting average and slugging percentage, it doesnt credit hitters who play in difficult parks or deduct points for hitters who play in smaller ones. wRC+ brings all the virtues of wOBA plus two added benefits; park and league adjustments. A .400 wOBA at Coors is much less impressive than one at Petco, for example. Additionally, wOBA tracks with overall league offense, so you cant use it to compare players of different eras very effectively. A .400 wOBA in 2000 is much less impressive than one in 2014, but a 140 wRC+ in 2000 means essentially the same thing in 2014. to Remember:
● If wRC sounds very similar to Weighted Runs Above Average (wRAA), dont worry, youre not crazy. The statistics are very similar both numbers are based off wOBA and both quantify offensive ability in terms of runs but wRAA is scaled with zero as league average, while wRC is not.
● If youre thinking about using OPS+, use wRC+ instead. wRC+ is based off of wOBA and is regarded as a more accurate depiction of a players offensive value. They will typically offer similar conclusions, but wRC+ is superior and no more difficult to interpret or find."
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Well. Then you're a moron. Have a nice night.
Wheeler noted his original surgery was more complicated than most Tommy John procedures that strictly involve replacing the torn ulnar collateral ligament. Doctors additionally had to address a partially torn tendon attached to a bony deposit in the elbow.
Some guys go fast. Some guys go slow, Wheeler said. I had a couple of different things done with my elbow than, say, somebody else did thats back already before I am. Its frustrating seeing those guys get out and go at 12 months and Im still sort of sticking around way behind them. Its frustrating. But, at the same time, I guess its for a reason. Youve just got to keep your head down and see what kind of character you have.
He might be no better than Verrett this early period of recovery.
How many outs are there? If there are two outs I want Duda because he's much more likely to hit a HR and tie it. In a do or die situation though with nobody out, you probably just want to keep the line moving. If that's the case, Jeter's career OBP is .377. Duda's is .343. Also, is this is healthy back Duda from 2014-2015 or current Duda? Is this prime Jeter(1999) of the barely league average guy he was the last few years of his career?? There's a lot to consider but it's likely close which is why their wRC+ are close.
Lets get him in please
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It's who I am and how I'm always going to a consider a player's offense. We don't have to agree but until something better comes along I'm certainly not going backwards.
If you don't want to go there let's just agree to disagree and move on.
Again, you're avoiding everything I asked you. Jeter the last 5 years of his career was horrid. I would take Asdrubal Cabrera over him. 1999 Jeter? I'd take him over Duda in a heartbeat.
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Also if you'd put Duda up in any important situation instead of Jeter you're the moron, not me. Or should we give Carlos Pena a bat since he's also close in wRC+ (117) and more of a home run threat?
Again, you're avoiding everything I asked you. Jeter the last 5 years of his career was horrid. I would take Asdrubal Cabrera over him. 1999 Jeter? I'd take him over Duda in a heartbeat.
Jeter's wRC+ was 117 in 2012 (2nd to last full season). I don't know about you, but that's more than enough for me to declare him as a phenomenal component of that year's team.
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Also if you'd put Duda up in any important situation instead of Jeter you're the moron, not me. Or should we give Carlos Pena a bat since he's also close in wRC+ (117) and more of a home run threat?
Again, you're avoiding everything I asked you. Jeter the last 5 years of his career was horrid. I would take Asdrubal Cabrera over him. 1999 Jeter? I'd take him over Duda in a heartbeat.
Jeter's wRC+ was 117 in 2012 (2nd to last full season). I don't know about you, but that's more than enough for me to declare him as a phenomenal component of that year's team.
It was actually his third to last season. Jeter's last 5 years....
93
104
117
49 (yeah he didn't play much)
74
That combined average is horrible. He was a seriously declined player at that point. Yes, if you only want to count his 2012, I'll concede that was fine. Nothing special though! I would take 2014/2015 Duda over every one of those version's of Jeter fos sure.
He's determined to make the Fish pay
However, I strongly disagree with your methods of evaluating offensive production.
Baseball games are won with runs.
The only meaningful statistic of offense is runs produced (runs scored + RBI - HRs). Nothing else matters.
Billy Beane's anal discharge of metrics was created mainly to evaluate a player's worth, i.e., contract value. It's all horseshit.
Give me a guy with 200 runs produced, he's worth $25Ma year.
Just slap the ball on the ground and Reyes would score. sigh
LOL...
However, I strongly disagree with your methods of evaluating offensive production.
Baseball games are won with runs.
The only meaningful statistic of offense is runs produced (runs scored + RBI - HRs). Nothing else matters.
Billy Beane's anal discharge of metrics was created mainly to evaluate a player's worth, i.e., contract value. It's all horseshit.
Give me a guy with 200 runs produced, he's worth $25Ma year.
That's fine. Some people don't see it. How is this player going to knock in 200 runs if nobody is getting on base in front of him??? Is he going to hit 200 HRs in a season or else he sucks?? RBI's are a team stat. OPS became the gold standard in the 70's long before Bean too. Bill James called it the "Greatest measure of offensive production" in 1977. OPS+ and wRC+ are just slight tweaks on it because park factors, ect. do make a slight difference and we have better technology to inlcude these things in 2016. Watch any nationally broadcasted game and OPS is now included in a hitters line when he comes to bat. Same with reading boxscores these days. We are no longer living in a batting average, RBI world. But to each their own. I'm not telling anyone how to be a fan or enjoy the sport.
Yeah. NP man. :)
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Called it! We dont win unless we hit homers
They are, they also contribute even when they're not hitting with defense. A Flores / Loney platoon at 1st isn't so bad if Duda comes back ineffective.
This one wasn't on him as much - if Cespedes catches that ball it's a different inning.
TDA has been hitting in July. Move him up. Enough with Cabrera/Walker in the middle of everything gumming it all up.
Seriously. I wouldn't even be surprised if Walker started hitting again if he had less pressure.
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I wouldn't mind adding another reliever and we probably should in some capacity but I'd personally be completely comfortable with Robles as the 7th inning guy. He hit a little rough patch around Memorial Day but since June 1st he has a 1.99 ERA (not counting tonight, so it's actually a little lower) and I definitely feel like he's still getting better. Dude is only 25 years old.
Anyway.. huge win. Loney's HR was a fucking moonshot.. looked like Griffey. Really can't be any happier with what he's given us in Duda's place. Funny how it works.. Flo gets the start at 1B and then it's JL who comes through late with the blast.
Reed has been incredible and Familia just keeps doing what he does. Always worried that the one night he can't walk that tightrope is going to be one we really, really need.. but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. For now, the guy just keeps coming through.
Cannot do any worse than splitting the next two.. absolutely must, MUST win this series. A sweep would be ideal. Jake is going to have his work cut out for him with Fernandez going but I actually have the most confidence in him right now out of all our pitchers. He'll bring it. Let's do this.
If we can steal tomorrows game, we are in good shape
Going to be Lagares. Because of the huge ballpark I doubt Conforto plays much this weekend.
I think the pieces are starting to come together though. The top of the order has come alive. Cespedes might be shaking off the rust. TDA has been hitting. Loney/Flores have been filling in fine. We are close to having things click again.
Overall, Mets are 15th in baseball with a 97 wRC+
FOURTH in the baseball with no one on with a 104 wRC+
27th with runners on with 84
dead last with RISP with 63
The Mets can hit. They get something in their heads in run scoring situations which prevents them from performing as they can.
They need a shrink, not a new hitting coach.
SS Reyes
CF Granderson
CF Cespedes
1B Duda
3B Longoria
RF Conforto
C TDA
2B Walker/Johnson/Flores
Now that's a fucking lineup. lol
This is one of those stats that should include post season.
Cabrera has also been terrible with in the clutch. .137 with RISP and two outs.
If you keep playing guys because of their contracts, you will pay for it. Fine to try and get a guy going in June. But it is getting to be crunch time: guys should play strictly on merit. Cabrera needs to get more days off and Walker needs to go to the bench or be packaged in a trade. He is a black hole in the lineup
I suggest playing Flores more often instead of Walker. Even Johnson needs more ABs.
Walker has been a negative offensively since May
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2015 Conforto
Cespedes
Duda
TDA
Walker/Flores
Cabrera
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