until proven guilty but honestly the major sports leagues should come to an agreement all together that if you are found to have abused a woman or a child you get a multi-year ban from the sport.
until proven guilty but honestly the major sports leagues should come to an agreement all together that if you are found to have abused a woman or a child you get a multi-year ban from the sport.
Why is one violent crime to be elevated over other violent crimes?
As a Giants fan, I am already skipping ahead to thoughts of a possible suspension, but clearly this girl needs to get help. Whether these bruises are from Elliott or not, she clearly has been beaten. Very troubling to see. Just awful.
until proven guilty but honestly the major sports leagues should come to an agreement all together that if you are found to have abused a woman or a child you get a multi-year ban from the sport.
Why is one violent crime to be elevated over other violent crimes?
Beating up a 5 year old is not inherently worse than beating up a peer? Really?
Update (10:20 a.m.): Dallas Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott has been named a suspect in a domestic violence police report obtained by TMZ Sports ... but the 21-year-old has DENIED any wrongdoing and was NOT arrested.
The female accuser filed a report with the Columbus PD in Ohio Friday morning ... saying she was assaulted by Elliott -- who she claims is her former live-in boyfriend -- while sitting in the driver's seat of her parked vehicle.
The officers who responded to the scene say the woman claims she had pain in her wrist and a red mark -- but declined medical treatment.
Cops contacted Elliott -- who denied striking the woman. He also said he never lived with her.
In the report, cops list the accuser as a 20-year-old woman -- 5'5", 120 lbs. Elliott is listed at 6'0", 225 lbs.
According to the report, cops also spoke with 4 witnesses -- but they all told cops they didn't see an assault. One of the witnesses was in the car at the time of the alleged incident.
Due to the conflicting reports, Elliott was NOT arrested -- but the accuser was referred to the prosecutor's office ... if she wants to try to press charges.
We reached out to Elliott's camp -- one person in his agent's office told us, "I can assure you [the allegations] are not true."
Update (10:20 a.m.): TMZ is reporting that they have obtained a copy of a police report detailing Elliotts alleged assault of Thompson. According to the report, Elliott allegedly attacked Thompson while she was sitting the drivers seat of her parked car. The report states that Elliott was not arrested due to conflicting reports from witnesses, but that Thompson was referred to the prosecutors office.
until proven guilty but honestly the major sports leagues should come to an agreement all together that if you are found to have abused a woman or a child you get a multi-year ban from the sport.
Why is one violent crime to be elevated over other violent crimes?
Because domestic abuse seemingly happens "non-stop" in pro sports nowadays. Not all "violent" crimes are equal in my eyes. I don't think 2 grown men getting into a fight at a bar is the same as someone putting their hands on women. There is something to be said for being an "equal" in terms of physicality as well. Me fighting you (Greg) likely doesn't have the same result of me punching my wife. I think it's time we scare the shit out of anyone who even thinks of grabbing, hitting, pushing, terrorizing a woman or child.
getting beaten up by a chiseled football player? Is that much more even a contest?
Violent crime is violent crime. I have no issue with lengthy suspensions for players who commit violent crimes but I see no reason to pick and choose between them.
I generally agree with a lot of what you say but I think you are really in an extreme minority view if you really don't think domestic abuse (women, children etc) should have a stricter punishment then say a player getting into a fist fight with a bouncer at a club.
Too many people were quick to judge Bromley with his situation but that woman was nuts. I am not saying this is the case here but you ha e to let both sides play out. There are 2 conflicting facts that can be found out. She is saying they lived together and Elliot said he never did. The "witnesses" said they didn't see anything that would constitute as domestic violence. She somehow has bruises. A lot of conflicting info.
getting beaten up by a chiseled football player? Is that much more even a contest?
Violent crime is violent crime. I have no issue with lengthy suspensions for players who commit violent crimes but I see no reason to pick and choose between them.
Really? So a child abuse is the same as a big guy picking a fight with a smaller dude? Just think about that...seriously...just think.
getting beaten up by a chiseled football player? Is that much more even a contest?
Violent crime is violent crime. I have no issue with lengthy suspensions for players who commit violent crimes but I see no reason to pick and choose between them.
The issue with your comparison is it's been proven that abused partners very often are unable to "break away". A huge guy destroying some tiny man in your scenario would likely result in extreme injuries and obviously that too would result in a major suspension. The point is if Eli Manning gives a bounce a black eye because he spilled a drink on him, that's an isolated incident. Domestic abuse very often is not. These guys need to be "trained" out of thinking this is even an option. Bar fights will happen until the end of time.
I said, in this case innocent until proven guilty. Easy to throw out accusations. Witnesses differing stories is something to note. Witch hunts suck too.
since the TMZ story of a police report and EE's agent's denial.
And ESPN/NFL Network still not acknowledging. See how long they take.
No offense to what you are posting but I would rather have a news outlet get the story correct by gathering as many facts as possible before rushing to announce anything.
getting beaten up by a chiseled football player? Is that much more even a contest?
Violent crime is violent crime. I have no issue with lengthy suspensions for players who commit violent crimes but I see no reason to pick and choose between them.
There's a problem in this country with violence against women, and its definitely prevalent with athletes. The law treats domestic abuse more harshly than a bar fight, so why shouldn't the NFL?
Yes, hitting a man who's that same size isn't right either, but how large is that problem? The last time something like that popped up that I remember was with Jahlil Okafor and apparently that guy hit him first and kept coming at him (I could be wrong).
But still, what would you do if some guy at your wife's office hit her? I'm guessing you wouldn't weigh it the same as if he hit another male co-worker of the same size.
since the TMZ story of a police report and EE's agent's denial.
And ESPN/NFL Network still not acknowledging. See how long they take.
No offense to what you are posting but I would rather have a news outlet get the story correct by gathering as many facts as possible before rushing to announce anything.
That's the reason I mentioned the police report and the quo from agent. Those are clearly reportable facts. Not just unattributed photos on social media.
But violent crimes are violent crimes. Don't see why they wouldn't all be punished accordingly.
But no one is saying don't punish one while punishing others. You, on the other hand, give an impression of all violent crimes needing to be categorized as the same crime.
A player getting into a fight after a drunken night out should get punished; a player beating his child should get punished far far more severly.
Well, you introduce emotion into the situation with that question
But violent crimes are violent crimes. Don't see why they wouldn't all be punished accordingly.
even the police have different rules for domestic violence, it's not the same because in cases of domestic violence, far more than other violent crimes, the victim feels scared and sometimes intimidated to the point it's un or under-reported. It also carries a mental abuse portion that normally isn't there with a simple assault.
police have different actions and protocol for domestic violence and I think it makes sense for the NFL to do so as well.
agree with DMM, a one-off bar fight should have ramifications, beating your wife/GF should have different ones.
Ray Rice still has no job and he recently said if anyone hires him he'd donate his entire paycheck to DV related charities. Maybe he wasn't elite, but he was better than some backs trotted out there on a weekly basis.
its supposed to be a safe place. It isn't a public place, it isn't a workplace, it isn't a bar. Women and children should be safe in their own home. I really don't understand your stance here.
1. Bromley's accuser didn't have bruises all over (at least to my knowledge) that supported her claims.
2. I believe Hardy had "witnesses" too. It's a much stronger statement if the witness in the backseat that claimed he/she didn't see any abuse is a good friend of the GF rather than a long time friend of Elliott's.
RE: Well, you introduce emotion into the situation with that question
My issue is with the notion that some victims are somehow worthier of protection than others.
Yes...children most definitely should be worthier of more protection. And I won't even touch the touchy subject of women since some would say that women can defend themselves in many cases.
because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
since the TMZ story of a police report and EE's agent's denial.
And ESPN/NFL Network still not acknowledging. See how long they take.
No offense to what you are posting but I would rather have a news outlet get the story correct by gathering as many facts as possible before rushing to announce anything.
That's the reason I mentioned the police report and the quo from agent. Those are clearly reportable facts. Not just unattributed photos on social media.
because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
What's dumber... posting it on social media (I challenge even that being "dumb"), or slapping away at your keyboard and embarrassing yourself before even a fraction of the facts are were available?
1. Bromley's accuser didn't have bruises all over (at least to my knowledge) that supported her claims.
2. I believe Hardy had "witnesses" too. It's a much stronger statement if the witness in the backseat that claimed he/she didn't see any abuse is a good friend of the GF rather than a long time friend of Elliott's.
Money talks. No idea if he did it or not, but a payoff is easy and happens all the time.
because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
What's dumber... posting it on social media (I challenge even that being "dumb"), or slapping away at your keyboard and embarrassing yourself before even a fraction of the facts are were available?
who's embarrassed? i responded to the first post. big deal? so sorry to disappoint you.
because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
Considering social media is the fastest way to make a story go public and to try to get support, it seems like the opposite of a dumb thing to do. I don't think she did it to get new Instagram followers, you dumb shit.
He could not stand Greg Hardy and was very vocal about wanting them to cut him all last year. He couldn't enjoy watching the team because he was on the team. It will be interesting to see the the same standard is applied when it is the first round draft pick.
As a Giant fan I have felt snake-bit in recent years due to the injury bug. But the Cowboys fans are going through similar feelings; only theirs are self-inflicted by the players.
Marine air traffic controller but also a former AF combat controller (which is a special operations MOS), multiple award high expert with the rifle and black belt in multiple martial arts.
because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
Considering social media is the fastest way to make a story go public and to try to get support, it seems like the opposite of a dumb thing to do. I don't think she did it to get new Instagram followers, you dumb shit.
oh look, a BBIer wanting to piss fight. Not the most original thing I've seen on here, but still cute
It's sad that many people's first instinct when pics of abused women
come out is to go straight to "it's a money grab."
Posting to social media seems to be this girl's last resort. The bruising seems to be substantial. Her claim is that this is an on-going issue.
Put yourself in her shoes. She lives in Columbus and is dating a GOD in the town. Said god knows he has carte blanche to do as he pleases in this town. Maybe she has brought this up to authorities before. Look at PSU, things get swept away in big college towns. Not saying that's the case, but I can see why a girl would take the Instagram route, especially after this incident when 4 people who are "witnesses" side with said god.
because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
Considering social media is the fastest way to make a story go public and to try to get support, it seems like the opposite of a dumb thing to do. I don't think she did it to get new Instagram followers, you dumb shit.
oh look, a BBIer wanting to piss fight. Not the most original thing I've seen on here, but still cute
Oh, not wanting to piss fight. Just pointing out the obvious for you.
because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
Considering social media is the fastest way to make a story go public and to try to get support, it seems like the opposite of a dumb thing to do. I don't think she did it to get new Instagram followers, you dumb shit.
oh look, a BBIer wanting to piss fight. Not the most original thing I've seen on here, but still cute
Oh, not wanting to piss fight. Just pointing out the obvious for you.
Update (10:20 a.m.): TMZ is reporting that they have obtained a copy of a police report detailing Elliotts alleged assault of Thompson. According to the report, Elliott allegedly attacked Thompson while she was sitting the drivers seat of her parked car. The report states that Elliott was not arrested due to conflicting reports from witnesses, but that Thompson was referred to the prosecutors office.
What a POS Elliot
Another one of the fine upstanding gentlemen employed
than that story being accurate than false. Until I know who the witnesses are and get more information, i'll reserve judgement of Elliot, but if they were his male friends, then i'm guessing he's guilty and they are being quiet for his benefit.
RE: Well, you introduce emotion into the situation with that question
What's dumber... posting it on social media (I challenge even that being "dumb"), or slapping away at your keyboard and embarrassing yourself before even a fraction of the facts are were available?
because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
Considering social media is the fastest way to make a story go public and to try to get support, it seems like the opposite of a dumb thing to do. I don't think she did it to get new Instagram followers, you dumb shit.
oh look, a BBIer wanting to piss fight. Not the most original thing I've seen on here, but still cute
LOL...So let me get this straight, you call her a dumb ass and claim it's due to her using social media to promote her case, while ignoring the fact she also filed a police report. Then you take offense to it when someone calls you the same while pointing out all the facts you overlooked?
)and this is nothing to do with the people in discussion here) but I still have difficulty understanding how people rush to put everything that goes on in their life out in public. Also, whenever I see an accident or unusual event. I never think to whip out my phone and start filming. I'm sure there's more old people ways I'm stuck in but the overt social media narcissism and the amateur film director things come to mind most quickly.
but I seldom take pics and I use social media even less.
I recently got back from visiting my son in Charleston and everybody wanted to see all the pics...I took two...one of my son in his whites(I didn't have one of those)and one of us together downtown. I guess I'm old but I'd rather spend my time enjoying life and not posting everything.
In this young ladies case she may have had no choice. She may(all assuming here)have asked for help and not received any and felt this was her only way.
She also may have fabricated this whole thing...we'll know soon enough...but I can see why some people may feel their only voice is through social media.
RE: I don't know if it's me or if it's generational
)and this is nothing to do with the people in discussion here) but I still have difficulty understanding how people rush to put everything that goes on in their life out in public. Also, whenever I see an accident or unusual event. I never think to whip out my phone and start filming. I'm sure there's more old people ways I'm stuck in but the overt social media narcissism and the amateur film director things come to mind most quickly.
It's definitely partly generational. That said, not everyone who takes pictures and posts on social media is doing it because they are a narcissist. It's become the way we "hang out", keep in touch with people over long distance, share things instantaneously with a larger group. This is life now.
Not everyone out there is doing it because they crave admiration. I'm on social media, but I hardly if ever post.
but I seldom take pics and I use social media even less.
I recently got back from visiting my son in Charleston and everybody wanted to see all the pics...I took two...one of my son in his whites(I didn't have one of those)and one of us together downtown. I guess I'm old but I'd rather spend my time enjoying life and not posting everything.
In this young ladies case she may have had no choice. She may(all assuming here)have asked for help and not received any and felt this was her only way.
She also may have fabricated this whole thing...we'll know soon enough...but I can see why some people may feel their only voice is through social media.
Not talking about you specifically, okie...but I don't really buy the argument of "instead of taking pictures, I like to live the moment." I mean, if you're a professional photographer spending hours taking perfect pictures of every events of your life, then sure, that takes away from your enjoyment of the moment. However, for the most part, a simple picture takes like 10 seconds. I think people can take pictures or even videos and still enjoy the moment. It's not always either or...you can definitely do both, and you have mental and physical memories of those moments.
RE: RE: I don't know if it's me or if it's generational
It's definitely partly generational. That said, not everyone who takes pictures and posts on social media is doing it because they are a narcissist. It's become the way we "hang out", keep in touch with people over long distance, share things instantaneously with a larger group. This is life now.
Not everyone out there is doing it because they crave admiration. I'm on social media, but I hardly if ever post.
Well...for some of us, it's definitely out of narcissism first and foremost before anything else. Basically the message is...my kids are cuter than whatever troll you call kids of your own. #truthbomb
I have no idea why people post their kids online. I believe it should be the child's choice (which they can't make which is also my point) to want to have all their photos online by the time they are grown. Pics also have metadata which predators can use to track (very slim chances but still). I simply don't get it outside of self promotion congratulation.
I for one would be pissed if I had thousands of picture of me growing up, online, never to be able to be erased.
then I'd download them and and have all these flash drives full of photos I'd never look at. Just seemed a waste to me personally(and you know how set in my ways I am).
I do take pics if it's a special occasion, or maybe the first time I've been someplace, but I'm just not a prolific pic snapper!
Besides, I'm too busy catching Pokemon to waste time gathering precious memories!
like the one in my phone back in the 80's and 90's. The little crappy camera I carried on some of my adventures sucked! I'd love to have some high quality pics from back then.
he saved messages from her on his phone showing she was going to set him up. Doesn't mean that he did or did not do it, but now she has unclean hands which makes it even messier.
I have no idea why people post their kids online. I believe it should be the child's choice (which they can't make which is also my point) to want to have all their photos online by the time they are grown. Pics also have metadata which predators can use to track (very slim chances but still). I simply don't get it outside of self promotion congratulation.
I for one would be pissed if I had thousands of picture of me growing up, online, never to be able to be erased.
Eh...kids don't have choices...don't make them out to be people. They're just here for our enjoyment and punishment...:(
then I'd download them and and have all these flash drives full of photos I'd never look at. Just seemed a waste to me personally(and you know how set in my ways I am).
I do take pics if it's a special occasion, or maybe the first time I've been someplace, but I'm just not a prolific pic snapper!
Besides, I'm too busy catching Pokemon to waste time gathering precious memories!
At least you have your priorities straight, my friend.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 3m3 minutes ago
From the Zeke Elliott police report. Victim stated she was assaulted by Elliott while sitting in a car. 4 witnesses present disputed that.
if they are her friends than that's pretty damning to her. If they are all his friends, especially male, then that's damning for him (atleast in the eyes of public opinion).
Curious to see which is which or if its both.
RE: RE: Dan, we kinda need to know the relationship of the witnesses...
In comment 13041551 BrettNYG10 said:
Quote: What if it's a grown man who's 5'5"
That isn't a grown man.
One of the most badass motherfuckers I've ever known was 5'5" and probably about 150 pounds.
Boy can I relate. A guy in town who was that size loved to fight - anytime, anywhere. He was an ex-marine who came back from Nam. When he fought, he looked like the Tazmanian Devil - spinning so fast you couldn't see his moves. He never lost a fight. When he walked into the bar, no one (with a lick of sense) made eye contact with him because he read that as a challenge. So smart guys looked at their glass, the wall, the floor, anything but him. Even the bar tender who took no shit in his bar would turn his back and start wiping glasses trying not to incite a problem. I remember when he came into the bar once and two big guys were shooting pool. Ray (the little Tazmanian Devil dude) came in, picked up the end of the pool table in the middle of the game until all the balls rolled to the other side and into pockets. Then he dropped the table from about 3 feet making a horrendous noise and jumped up onto the table. He then grabbed his ball sack, shook it and bellared to everyone, "any of you POS pussies got a problem with this?" Funny thing, no one had a problem with it...not even the rigid bartender...you could hear crickets....lol
In comment 13041551 BrettNYG10 said:
Quote: What if it's a grown man who's 5'5"
That isn't a grown man.
One of the most badass motherfuckers I've ever known was 5'5" and probably about 150 pounds.
Boy can I relate. A guy in town who was that size loved to fight - anytime, anywhere. He was an ex-marine who came back from Nam. When he fought, he looked like the Tazmanian Devil - spinning so fast you couldn't see his moves. He never lost a fight. When he walked into the bar, no one (with a lick of sense) made eye contact with him because he read that as a challenge. So smart guys looked at their glass, the wall, the floor, anything but him. Even the bar tender who took no shit in his bar would turn his back and start wiping glasses trying not to incite a problem. I remember when he came into the bar once and two big guys were shooting pool. Ray (the little Tazmanian Devil dude) came in, picked up the end of the pool table in the middle of the game until all the balls rolled to the other side and into pockets. Then he dropped the table from about 3 feet making a horrendous noise and jumped up onto the table. He then grabbed his ball sack, shook it and bellared to everyone, "any of you POS pussies got a problem with this?" Funny thing, no one had a problem with it...not even the rigid bartender...you could hear crickets....lol
Sad thing about that story? he most likely would have been legally shot in today's environment
come out is to go straight to "it's a money grab."
Put yourself in her shoes.
I find it equally as sad when people rush to judgment that the kid did it (a kid with zero track record of abuse). Even when, in this case, 4-5 witnesses said they didn't see anything.
In an ideal world we don't hear about any of this until an investigation has occurred and a verdict rendered. But that's not reality, so people will form early opinions. It is what it is. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter... law enforcement will get to the bottom of it in time and the NFL will react accordingly.
the act of hitting or abusing a woman sickens me, but this news doesn't necessarily make me sad. I hope she's ok and never feels or experiences any pain for the rest of her life....but I kinda hope Zeke did it??
As a Giant fan I have felt snake-bit in recent years due to the injury bug. But the Cowboys fans are going through similar feelings; only theirs are self-inflicted by the players.
Thats a pretty ridiculous comparison. The Giants could not control a lot of their injuries that crippled (no pun intended) the Giants reload of their roster. The Giants couldnt forsee Chad Jones getting into an awful car accident, Steve Smith and Kenny Phillips getting micrfracture, JPP having some fun with fireworks and having that horrible accident happen. Nicks, Cruz and Plax...none were because of anything the Giants knew about there pasts. The one instance where they had taken a flier on a guy with a questionable past, Will Hill, they got bitten, cut bait, were criticized and were proven to have made the right move. Another opportunity toroll the dice on Tunsil, same criticisms from fans, we'll have to see.
The Cowboys on the other hand are playing cards with the devil whenever they sign a monster like Hardy and he contaminates their lockerroom and culture. Randy Gregory slips out if the top ten and into the third, Cowboys think they stole the draft, suspended to start the season.
Look at the Steelers! To a lesser extent they have been the second chance ranch for many players. They lost Martavis Bryant for a whole year and may be losing LeVeon Bell to start this season.
The Cowboys Front Office has absolutely built this culture (and I honestly think the younger Jones is the one who may have started this trend as a way of showing he was ready to take over the reigns for Dad). Hell they were apparently still afterr Manziel despite him all but being a crackhead.
Comparing Giants fans suffering through massive, roster crushing injuries and Cowboys fans boohooing after cheering the owner on in signing every rule breaker available because he has talent isnt in the same stratosphere.
Your friend sounds like Begbie from Trainspotting
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LMAO - a little like that. Ray didn't talk much. He just smiled a lot, but you never wanted to question him about why he was smiling. It was usually because he was just looking for a reason to fight and he was excited with the anticipation of a good rumble. To him, a fun night out on the town was to get into a fight or two. And when no one would bite, he'd find a way to get someone to fight him. But he wasn't a big talker at all. He'd do something like bump into somebody on purpose and then get in the guy's face and blame the guy for bumping into him. If the guy did anything other than put his hands out and apologize profusely, it was on. Those who knew him avoided him...especially after he had a few drinks in him and he got a gleam in his eye and his smile grew bigger
My issue is with the notion that some victims are somehow worthier of protection than others.
Greg, I generally find you to be one of the more informative and reasonable posters on this site but seems like you're just taking a contrarian point here IMO
Likely every guy was taught as a boy that boys don't hit girls, and every decent adult knows you don't abuse a child. So yes thee is a difference between either of those and an adult male getting in a fight with another man.
I have no idea what happened with this girl and or the athlete. Is he guilty, I don t know. Is he being set up, I don t know.
But I love the new way we make judgements these day especially where celebs are concerned: Guilty until proven in innocent, it s a fine way to bring the high and mighty down.
RE: It's sad that many people's first instinct when pics of abused women
come out is to go straight to "it's a money grab."
Posting to social media seems to be this girl's last resort. The bruising seems to be substantial. Her claim is that this is an on-going issue.
Put yourself in her shoes. She lives in Columbus and is dating a GOD in the town. Said god knows he has carte blanche to do as he pleases in this town. Maybe she has brought this up to authorities before. Look at PSU, things get swept away in big college towns. Not saying that's the case, but I can see why a girl would take the Instagram route, especially after this incident when 4 people who are "witnesses" side with said god.
I don't think it is either or: she can be a victim of abuse and seeking a payout.
We often want to turn victims into pure innocent lambs. Often they are not. Just because you arethevictim of crime does not mean you are not shady yourself.
We just don't have enough info to know her motives.
However, I'm glad Giants stayed away from Elliot. He may be exonerated in this case but Once a guy has one off the field problem,he usually has others. Jerry World is the perfect place for him
As a Giant fan I have felt snake-bit in recent years due to the injury bug. But the Cowboys fans are going through similar feelings; only theirs are self-inflicted by the players.
Thats a pretty ridiculous comparison. The Giants could not control a lot of their injuries that crippled (no pun intended) the Giants reload of their roster. The Giants couldnt forsee Chad Jones getting into an awful car accident, Steve Smith and Kenny Phillips getting micrfracture, JPP having some fun with fireworks and having that horrible accident happen. Nicks, Cruz and Plax...none were because of anything the Giants knew about there pasts. The one instance where they had taken a flier on a guy with a questionable past, Will Hill, they got bitten, cut bait, were criticized and were proven to have made the right move. Another opportunity toroll the dice on Tunsil, same criticisms from fans, we'll have to see.
The Cowboys on the other hand are playing cards with the devil whenever they sign a monster like Hardy and he contaminates their lockerroom and culture. Randy Gregory slips out if the top ten and into the third, Cowboys think they stole the draft, suspended to start the season.
Look at the Steelers! To a lesser extent they have been the second chance ranch for many players. They lost Martavis Bryant for a whole year and may be losing LeVeon Bell to start this season.
The Cowboys Front Office has absolutely built this culture (and I honestly think the younger Jones is the one who may have started this trend as a way of showing he was ready to take over the reigns for Dad). Hell they were apparently still afterr Manziel despite him all but being a crackhead.
Comparing Giants fans suffering through massive, roster crushing injuries and Cowboys fans boohooing after cheering the owner on in signing every rule breaker available because he has talent isnt in the same stratosphere.
- J. Jones
You would think it would be this easy...but its not. A cycle of abuse can be a very tough thing to break.
Why?
Care to elaborate?
Go on? I'm failing to see how posting these pics makes her a dumb shit.
Why is one violent crime to be elevated over other violent crimes?
Nice curve ball. Please explain why she is a dumb shit.
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until proven guilty but honestly the major sports leagues should come to an agreement all together that if you are found to have abused a woman or a child you get a multi-year ban from the sport.
Why is one violent crime to be elevated over other violent crimes?
Beating up a 5 year old is not inherently worse than beating up a peer? Really?
The female accuser filed a report with the Columbus PD in Ohio Friday morning ... saying she was assaulted by Elliott -- who she claims is her former live-in boyfriend -- while sitting in the driver's seat of her parked vehicle.
The officers who responded to the scene say the woman claims she had pain in her wrist and a red mark -- but declined medical treatment.
Cops contacted Elliott -- who denied striking the woman. He also said he never lived with her.
In the report, cops list the accuser as a 20-year-old woman -- 5'5", 120 lbs. Elliott is listed at 6'0", 225 lbs.
According to the report, cops also spoke with 4 witnesses -- but they all told cops they didn't see an assault. One of the witnesses was in the car at the time of the alleged incident.
Due to the conflicting reports, Elliott was NOT arrested -- but the accuser was referred to the prosecutor's office ... if she wants to try to press charges.
We reached out to Elliott's camp -- one person in his agent's office told us, "I can assure you [the allegations] are not true."
EZEKIEL ELLIOTT ACCUSED OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ... Denies Attacking Ex-GF - ( New Window )
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until proven guilty but honestly the major sports leagues should come to an agreement all together that if you are found to have abused a woman or a child you get a multi-year ban from the sport.
Why is one violent crime to be elevated over other violent crimes?
Because domestic abuse seemingly happens "non-stop" in pro sports nowadays. Not all "violent" crimes are equal in my eyes. I don't think 2 grown men getting into a fight at a bar is the same as someone putting their hands on women. There is something to be said for being an "equal" in terms of physicality as well. Me fighting you (Greg) likely doesn't have the same result of me punching my wife. I think it's time we scare the shit out of anyone who even thinks of grabbing, hitting, pushing, terrorizing a woman or child.
Violent crime is violent crime. I have no issue with lengthy suspensions for players who commit violent crimes but I see no reason to pick and choose between them.
Violent crime is violent crime. I have no issue with lengthy suspensions for players who commit violent crimes but I see no reason to pick and choose between them.
Really? So a child abuse is the same as a big guy picking a fight with a smaller dude? Just think about that...seriously...just think.
And ESPN/NFL Network still not acknowledging. See how long they take.
Violent crime is violent crime. I have no issue with lengthy suspensions for players who commit violent crimes but I see no reason to pick and choose between them.
The issue with your comparison is it's been proven that abused partners very often are unable to "break away". A huge guy destroying some tiny man in your scenario would likely result in extreme injuries and obviously that too would result in a major suspension. The point is if Eli Manning gives a bounce a black eye because he spilled a drink on him, that's an isolated incident. Domestic abuse very often is not. These guys need to be "trained" out of thinking this is even an option. Bar fights will happen until the end of time.
I suggest you all do the same.
And ESPN/NFL Network still not acknowledging. See how long they take.
No offense to what you are posting but I would rather have a news outlet get the story correct by gathering as many facts as possible before rushing to announce anything.
Violent crime is violent crime. I have no issue with lengthy suspensions for players who commit violent crimes but I see no reason to pick and choose between them.
There's a problem in this country with violence against women, and its definitely prevalent with athletes. The law treats domestic abuse more harshly than a bar fight, so why shouldn't the NFL?
Yes, hitting a man who's that same size isn't right either, but how large is that problem? The last time something like that popped up that I remember was with Jahlil Okafor and apparently that guy hit him first and kept coming at him (I could be wrong).
But still, what would you do if some guy at your wife's office hit her? I'm guessing you wouldn't weigh it the same as if he hit another male co-worker of the same size.
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since the TMZ story of a police report and EE's agent's denial.
And ESPN/NFL Network still not acknowledging. See how long they take.
No offense to what you are posting but I would rather have a news outlet get the story correct by gathering as many facts as possible before rushing to announce anything.
That's the reason I mentioned the police report and the quo from agent. Those are clearly reportable facts. Not just unattributed photos on social media.
But no one is saying don't punish one while punishing others. You, on the other hand, give an impression of all violent crimes needing to be categorized as the same crime.
A player getting into a fight after a drunken night out should get punished; a player beating his child should get punished far far more severly.
even the police have different rules for domestic violence, it's not the same because in cases of domestic violence, far more than other violent crimes, the victim feels scared and sometimes intimidated to the point it's un or under-reported. It also carries a mental abuse portion that normally isn't there with a simple assault.
police have different actions and protocol for domestic violence and I think it makes sense for the NFL to do so as well.
agree with DMM, a one-off bar fight should have ramifications, beating your wife/GF should have different ones.
Ray Rice still has no job and he recently said if anyone hires him he'd donate his entire paycheck to DV related charities. Maybe he wasn't elite, but he was better than some backs trotted out there on a weekly basis.
1. Bromley's accuser didn't have bruises all over (at least to my knowledge) that supported her claims.
2. I believe Hardy had "witnesses" too. It's a much stronger statement if the witness in the backseat that claimed he/she didn't see any abuse is a good friend of the GF rather than a long time friend of Elliott's.
Yes...children most definitely should be worthier of more protection. And I won't even touch the touchy subject of women since some would say that women can defend themselves in many cases.
But children, fuck yeah.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
She also filed a police report.
This was funny.
That isn't a grown man.
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since the TMZ story of a police report and EE's agent's denial.
And ESPN/NFL Network still not acknowledging. See how long they take.
No offense to what you are posting but I would rather have a news outlet get the story correct by gathering as many facts as possible before rushing to announce anything.
That's the reason I mentioned the police report and the quo from agent. Those are clearly reportable facts. Not just unattributed photos on social media.
Agreed.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
What's dumber... posting it on social media (I challenge even that being "dumb"), or slapping away at your keyboard and embarrassing yourself before even a fraction of the facts are were available?
1. Bromley's accuser didn't have bruises all over (at least to my knowledge) that supported her claims.
2. I believe Hardy had "witnesses" too. It's a much stronger statement if the witness in the backseat that claimed he/she didn't see any abuse is a good friend of the GF rather than a long time friend of Elliott's.
Money talks. No idea if he did it or not, but a payoff is easy and happens all the time.
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because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
What's dumber... posting it on social media (I challenge even that being "dumb"), or slapping away at your keyboard and embarrassing yourself before even a fraction of the facts are were available?
who's embarrassed? i responded to the first post. big deal? so sorry to disappoint you.
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What if it's a grown man who's 5'5"
That isn't a grown man.
One of the most badass motherfuckers I've ever known was 5'5" and probably about 150 pounds.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
Considering social media is the fastest way to make a story go public and to try to get support, it seems like the opposite of a dumb thing to do. I don't think she did it to get new Instagram followers, you dumb shit.
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What if it's a grown man who's 5'5"
That isn't a grown man.
One of the most badass motherfuckers I've ever known was 5'5" and probably about 150 pounds.
It's Napoleon isn't it?
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What if it's a grown man who's 5'5"
That isn't a grown man.
One of the most badass motherfuckers I've ever known was 5'5" and probably about 150 pounds.
So then a fight between him and a much larger dude deserves the same response as an adult hitting a child? Trying to get your logic here, man.
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What if it's a grown man who's 5'5"
That isn't a grown man.
Poor filthy.
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What if it's a grown man who's 5'5"
That isn't a grown man.
One of the most badass motherfuckers I've ever known was 5'5" and probably about 150 pounds.
Napoleon?
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because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
Considering social media is the fastest way to make a story go public and to try to get support, it seems like the opposite of a dumb thing to do. I don't think she did it to get new Instagram followers, you dumb shit.
oh look, a BBIer wanting to piss fight. Not the most original thing I've seen on here, but still cute
Posting to social media seems to be this girl's last resort. The bruising seems to be substantial. Her claim is that this is an on-going issue.
Put yourself in her shoes. She lives in Columbus and is dating a GOD in the town. Said god knows he has carte blanche to do as he pleases in this town. Maybe she has brought this up to authorities before. Look at PSU, things get swept away in big college towns. Not saying that's the case, but I can see why a girl would take the Instagram route, especially after this incident when 4 people who are "witnesses" side with said god.
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because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
Considering social media is the fastest way to make a story go public and to try to get support, it seems like the opposite of a dumb thing to do. I don't think she did it to get new Instagram followers, you dumb shit.
oh look, a BBIer wanting to piss fight. Not the most original thing I've seen on here, but still cute
Oh, not wanting to piss fight. Just pointing out the obvious for you.
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because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
Considering social media is the fastest way to make a story go public and to try to get support, it seems like the opposite of a dumb thing to do. I don't think she did it to get new Instagram followers, you dumb shit.
oh look, a BBIer wanting to piss fight. Not the most original thing I've seen on here, but still cute
Oh, not wanting to piss fight. Just pointing out the obvious for you.
don't let it ruin your weekend, sport
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Update (10:20 a.m.): TMZ is reporting that they have obtained a copy of a police report detailing Elliotts alleged assault of Thompson. According to the report, Elliott allegedly attacked Thompson while she was sitting the drivers seat of her parked car. The report states that Elliott was not arrested due to conflicting reports from witnesses, but that Thompson was referred to the prosecutors office.
What a POS Elliot
It's not a question of someone being worthier of protection. It's that the nature of the crime is different.
What's dumber... posting it on social media (I challenge even that being "dumb"), or slapping away at your keyboard and embarrassing yourself before even a fraction of the facts are were available?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black....
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because that is a completely ridiculous way to address any issues of abuse, but enjoy the thumbs up, likes or karma or new instagram followers or whatever.
Maybe dude is a piece of shit and he did all that to her. That's awful, but just insinuating an issue via social media is pretty dumb.
Considering social media is the fastest way to make a story go public and to try to get support, it seems like the opposite of a dumb thing to do. I don't think she did it to get new Instagram followers, you dumb shit.
oh look, a BBIer wanting to piss fight. Not the most original thing I've seen on here, but still cute
LOL...So let me get this straight, you call her a dumb ass and claim it's due to her using social media to promote her case, while ignoring the fact she also filed a police report. Then you take offense to it when someone calls you the same while pointing out all the facts you overlooked?
smh...
I recently got back from visiting my son in Charleston and everybody wanted to see all the pics...I took two...one of my son in his whites(I didn't have one of those)and one of us together downtown. I guess I'm old but I'd rather spend my time enjoying life and not posting everything.
In this young ladies case she may have had no choice. She may(all assuming here)have asked for help and not received any and felt this was her only way.
She also may have fabricated this whole thing...we'll know soon enough...but I can see why some people may feel their only voice is through social media.
It's definitely partly generational. That said, not everyone who takes pictures and posts on social media is doing it because they are a narcissist. It's become the way we "hang out", keep in touch with people over long distance, share things instantaneously with a larger group. This is life now.
Not everyone out there is doing it because they crave admiration. I'm on social media, but I hardly if ever post.
I recently got back from visiting my son in Charleston and everybody wanted to see all the pics...I took two...one of my son in his whites(I didn't have one of those)and one of us together downtown. I guess I'm old but I'd rather spend my time enjoying life and not posting everything.
In this young ladies case she may have had no choice. She may(all assuming here)have asked for help and not received any and felt this was her only way.
She also may have fabricated this whole thing...we'll know soon enough...but I can see why some people may feel their only voice is through social media.
Not talking about you specifically, okie...but I don't really buy the argument of "instead of taking pictures, I like to live the moment." I mean, if you're a professional photographer spending hours taking perfect pictures of every events of your life, then sure, that takes away from your enjoyment of the moment. However, for the most part, a simple picture takes like 10 seconds. I think people can take pictures or even videos and still enjoy the moment. It's not always either or...you can definitely do both, and you have mental and physical memories of those moments.
Not everyone out there is doing it because they crave admiration. I'm on social media, but I hardly if ever post.
Well...for some of us, it's definitely out of narcissism first and foremost before anything else. Basically the message is...my kids are cuter than whatever troll you call kids of your own. #truthbomb
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What if it's a grown man who's 5'5"
That isn't a grown man.
I for one would be pissed if I had thousands of picture of me growing up, online, never to be able to be erased.
I do take pics if it's a special occasion, or maybe the first time I've been someplace, but I'm just not a prolific pic snapper!
Besides, I'm too busy catching Pokemon to waste time gathering precious memories!
I for one would be pissed if I had thousands of picture of me growing up, online, never to be able to be erased.
Eh...kids don't have choices...don't make them out to be people. They're just here for our enjoyment and punishment...:(
I do take pics if it's a special occasion, or maybe the first time I've been someplace, but I'm just not a prolific pic snapper!
Besides, I'm too busy catching Pokemon to waste time gathering precious memories!
At least you have your priorities straight, my friend.
From the Zeke Elliott police report. Victim stated she was assaulted by Elliott while sitting in a car. 4 witnesses present disputed that.
Then stop wearing cargo shorts...that's the first step.
I wasn't giving my opinion. I was merely quoting the reporter
Curious to see which is which or if its both.
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to the alleged victim. This story will take a lot of twists and turns before the truth makes it out...if it ever does.
I wasn't giving my opinion. I was merely quoting the reporter
Oh, I understand...I was just saying these stories always seem to take on a life of their own as stuff comes out.
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That isn't a grown man.
One of the most badass motherfuckers I've ever known was 5'5" and probably about 150 pounds.
Boy can I relate. A guy in town who was that size loved to fight - anytime, anywhere. He was an ex-marine who came back from Nam. When he fought, he looked like the Tazmanian Devil - spinning so fast you couldn't see his moves. He never lost a fight. When he walked into the bar, no one (with a lick of sense) made eye contact with him because he read that as a challenge. So smart guys looked at their glass, the wall, the floor, anything but him. Even the bar tender who took no shit in his bar would turn his back and start wiping glasses trying not to incite a problem. I remember when he came into the bar once and two big guys were shooting pool. Ray (the little Tazmanian Devil dude) came in, picked up the end of the pool table in the middle of the game until all the balls rolled to the other side and into pockets. Then he dropped the table from about 3 feet making a horrendous noise and jumped up onto the table. He then grabbed his ball sack, shook it and bellared to everyone, "any of you POS pussies got a problem with this?" Funny thing, no one had a problem with it...not even the rigid bartender...you could hear crickets....lol
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Quote: What if it's a grown man who's 5'5"
That isn't a grown man.
One of the most badass motherfuckers I've ever known was 5'5" and probably about 150 pounds.
Boy can I relate. A guy in town who was that size loved to fight - anytime, anywhere. He was an ex-marine who came back from Nam. When he fought, he looked like the Tazmanian Devil - spinning so fast you couldn't see his moves. He never lost a fight. When he walked into the bar, no one (with a lick of sense) made eye contact with him because he read that as a challenge. So smart guys looked at their glass, the wall, the floor, anything but him. Even the bar tender who took no shit in his bar would turn his back and start wiping glasses trying not to incite a problem. I remember when he came into the bar once and two big guys were shooting pool. Ray (the little Tazmanian Devil dude) came in, picked up the end of the pool table in the middle of the game until all the balls rolled to the other side and into pockets. Then he dropped the table from about 3 feet making a horrendous noise and jumped up onto the table. He then grabbed his ball sack, shook it and bellared to everyone, "any of you POS pussies got a problem with this?" Funny thing, no one had a problem with it...not even the rigid bartender...you could hear crickets....lol
Sad thing about that story? he most likely would have been legally shot in today's environment
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Eh...Brett doesn't have choices...don't make him out to be a person. He's just here for our enjoyment and punishment...:)
There...Now that's better
Put yourself in her shoes.
I find it equally as sad when people rush to judgment that the kid did it (a kid with zero track record of abuse). Even when, in this case, 4-5 witnesses said they didn't see anything.
In an ideal world we don't hear about any of this until an investigation has occurred and a verdict rendered. But that's not reality, so people will form early opinions. It is what it is. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter... law enforcement will get to the bottom of it in time and the NFL will react accordingly.
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Thats a pretty ridiculous comparison. The Giants could not control a lot of their injuries that crippled (no pun intended) the Giants reload of their roster. The Giants couldnt forsee Chad Jones getting into an awful car accident, Steve Smith and Kenny Phillips getting micrfracture, JPP having some fun with fireworks and having that horrible accident happen. Nicks, Cruz and Plax...none were because of anything the Giants knew about there pasts. The one instance where they had taken a flier on a guy with a questionable past, Will Hill, they got bitten, cut bait, were criticized and were proven to have made the right move. Another opportunity toroll the dice on Tunsil, same criticisms from fans, we'll have to see.
The Cowboys on the other hand are playing cards with the devil whenever they sign a monster like Hardy and he contaminates their lockerroom and culture. Randy Gregory slips out if the top ten and into the third, Cowboys think they stole the draft, suspended to start the season.
Look at the Steelers! To a lesser extent they have been the second chance ranch for many players. They lost Martavis Bryant for a whole year and may be losing LeVeon Bell to start this season.
The Cowboys Front Office has absolutely built this culture (and I honestly think the younger Jones is the one who may have started this trend as a way of showing he was ready to take over the reigns for Dad). Hell they were apparently still afterr Manziel despite him all but being a crackhead.
Comparing Giants fans suffering through massive, roster crushing injuries and Cowboys fans boohooing after cheering the owner on in signing every rule breaker available because he has talent isnt in the same stratosphere.
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LMAO - a little like that. Ray didn't talk much. He just smiled a lot, but you never wanted to question him about why he was smiling. It was usually because he was just looking for a reason to fight and he was excited with the anticipation of a good rumble. To him, a fun night out on the town was to get into a fight or two. And when no one would bite, he'd find a way to get someone to fight him. But he wasn't a big talker at all. He'd do something like bump into somebody on purpose and then get in the guy's face and blame the guy for bumping into him. If the guy did anything other than put his hands out and apologize profusely, it was on. Those who knew him avoided him...especially after he had a few drinks in him and he got a gleam in his eye and his smile grew bigger
Greg, I generally find you to be one of the more informative and reasonable posters on this site but seems like you're just taking a contrarian point here IMO
But I love the new way we make judgements these day especially where celebs are concerned: Guilty until proven in innocent, it s a fine way to bring the high and mighty down.
Posting to social media seems to be this girl's last resort. The bruising seems to be substantial. Her claim is that this is an on-going issue.
Put yourself in her shoes. She lives in Columbus and is dating a GOD in the town. Said god knows he has carte blanche to do as he pleases in this town. Maybe she has brought this up to authorities before. Look at PSU, things get swept away in big college towns. Not saying that's the case, but I can see why a girl would take the Instagram route, especially after this incident when 4 people who are "witnesses" side with said god.
I don't think it is either or: she can be a victim of abuse and seeking a payout.
We often want to turn victims into pure innocent lambs. Often they are not. Just because you arethevictim of crime does not mean you are not shady yourself.
We just don't have enough info to know her motives.
However, I'm glad Giants stayed away from Elliot. He may be exonerated in this case but Once a guy has one off the field problem,he usually has others. Jerry World is the perfect place for him
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As a Giant fan I have felt snake-bit in recent years due to the injury bug. But the Cowboys fans are going through similar feelings; only theirs are self-inflicted by the players.
Thats a pretty ridiculous comparison. The Giants could not control a lot of their injuries that crippled (no pun intended) the Giants reload of their roster. The Giants couldnt forsee Chad Jones getting into an awful car accident, Steve Smith and Kenny Phillips getting micrfracture, JPP having some fun with fireworks and having that horrible accident happen. Nicks, Cruz and Plax...none were because of anything the Giants knew about there pasts. The one instance where they had taken a flier on a guy with a questionable past, Will Hill, they got bitten, cut bait, were criticized and were proven to have made the right move. Another opportunity toroll the dice on Tunsil, same criticisms from fans, we'll have to see.
The Cowboys on the other hand are playing cards with the devil whenever they sign a monster like Hardy and he contaminates their lockerroom and culture. Randy Gregory slips out if the top ten and into the third, Cowboys think they stole the draft, suspended to start the season.
Look at the Steelers! To a lesser extent they have been the second chance ranch for many players. They lost Martavis Bryant for a whole year and may be losing LeVeon Bell to start this season.
The Cowboys Front Office has absolutely built this culture (and I honestly think the younger Jones is the one who may have started this trend as a way of showing he was ready to take over the reigns for Dad). Hell they were apparently still afterr Manziel despite him all but being a crackhead.
Comparing Giants fans suffering through massive, roster crushing injuries and Cowboys fans boohooing after cheering the owner on in signing every rule breaker available because he has talent isnt in the same stratosphere.