attached is another example of the lack of respect Eli gets from the media. Selecting Romo over Eli and even including Kirk Cousins as a possibility is as insulting as it gets.
I do not understand this...Eli has never missed a game. He has put up, in the past two years, excellent numbers even though he has had only one playmaker and a makeshift offensive line. He has had no real running game since 2011 not to mention he is a two time Super Bowl MVP and winner.
It's just shocking really.
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nobody cares about losers
nobody cares about losers
So did Eli stiff you on a tip once? Just curious...
Giants need to start winning and getting into the tournament for Eli to get the 'respect' he deserves. The regular season track record lately is not good.
I guarantee that if the Giants make it to the postseason this year, there will be a flood of analysts parroting the line, "nobody wants to face Eli and the Giants in the playoffs." Eli has a track record there too and it's a pretty damn good one. We just need to get there.
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compete in postseason, otherwise just whining
nobody cares about losers
So did Eli stiff you on a tip once? Just curious...
He's been doing the bashing for years... he may not be a troll, but he truly sucks as a poster.
I agree, and I don't really believe in this 'lack of respect'
stuff anyhow. That is overblown by some.
Good times! I remember when Bradford(who I've met several times and seems like a genuinely nice man)and Josh Freeman were the future of the NFL.
A lot of being a great QB is staying on the field game after game year after year.
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compete in postseason, otherwise just whining
nobody cares about losers
Isn't that what Eli has done? Competed hard in the postseason to get 2 SB rings? You know he has something like 6 times the number of playoff wins combined by Romo and Cousins, right?
That is giving props!!
I'm glad that Eli doesn't care about this crap but it drives me crazy.
He not only has to score, but he has to score enough, to cover the inadequacies of the defense, and sometimes that isn't enough, i.e., the NO game....
And as mentioned, what has he had to work with? An OL that was rebuilt too late, and is still in the learning process...a running attack that can't convert 3rd and short....a merry go round of TE's year after year.....each year he seems to lose a receiver, Manningham, Nicks, then Cruz, and now Randle.....this means he is constantly breaking in a WR, year to year....the Giants haven't had a stud rusher in years....
And yet, they were 6th in scoring last year......but the level of offensive consistency was not there......the offense didn't show up in both Dallas games......they didn't show up until the fourth quarter of the Washington and Carolina games.....and you saw what happened, when Eli lost his only real weapon, in OBj, in the Minnesota game....
When the media looks at the Giants, they see a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 6 of the last 7 seasons......that just does not happen with a franchise QB......maybe if Eli could rush the opposing qb sometimes, or cover a TE or RB, maybe if he could double as a safety, his team would have had more wins....and yes, Eli is not flawless, but most of the times, it's because he tries to make something out of nothing, because there is nothing else he can do....
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In comment 13041645 Pete in MD said:
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Matthew Stafford was always picked ahead of Eli on these lists?
Good times! I remember when Bradford(who I've met several times and seems like a genuinely nice man)and Josh Freeman were the future of the NFL.
Don't forget Kaepernick, RGIII, and even Matt Ryan is considered better....
Just win Baby, EFF the haters
And the talent is here!
How many people would list Eli as one of the toughest guys in the NFL? Not many would be my guess. Yet, there's his streak of consecutive starts which is not only impressive in Eli's era of play, but historically impressive. This streak is because Eli knows how to avoid big hits? He gets rid of the ball quickly? Yeah, sure, that's part of it but he's also tough as nails and plays through pain. Never seen a QB get the snot knocked out of them like Eli in San Fran NFC Champ game. Fucking legendary performance for all ages of NFL football. And he won that game. Eli is as tough as they make 'em.
Tough guy who suits up every Sunday isn't enough? How about his character in the locker room and off the field? Well, there again, Eli is the best of the best. Sure, he may not be a rah-rah sis boom bah guy but he's clearly the leader of the team and the face of the franchise. Could anyone really ask for a better franchise QB? Never throws his coach or teammates under the bus. Never ignores the media or chafes at their ceaseless stupid questions. Always giving back to the community. Signs autographs, sells jerseys, soup and soap alike. No gun charges, no rape allegations, doesn't thump the bible in public or ever say anything stupid or detrimental to the team or the league or the game. Here again, Eli is the best a franchise could ask for.
Okay, then, well yeah, he's tough and durable and the ultimate company man. But can he win the big game? Yup, Eli delivers here too, and really this is the most important aspect of Eli's greatness. The media is always blowing Romo and Johnny Come Lately's like (then) RGIII or (now) KC1 all the while ignoring the ironman two time Super Bowl MVP. It's fucking ridiculous. The bigger the stage, the better Eli plays. Can you really say that about any other QB in the league today? And if you give me Brady or Brees, I'll agree, mostly, but also point out that these few others are regularly touted as all time NFL greats when Eli never is.
For my money, in my 40 plus years as a Giants fan, Eli's the greatest Giant ever. And yeah, I saw or heard on the radio every down LT ever played as a Giant, even met him once, and yeah he's the best football player ever, but he's a lousy person, always was and probably always will be. So, yeah, I'm right there with you, the lack of respect is ludicrous.
Stop.
Giants need to start winning and getting into the tournament for Eli to get the 'respect' he deserves. The regular season track record lately is not good.
I guarantee that if the Giants make it to the postseason this year, there will be a flood of analysts parroting the line, "nobody wants to face Eli and the Giants in the playoffs." Eli has a track record there too and it's a pretty damn good one. We just need to get there.
Bingo.
Rightly or wrongly, QBs get too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when they lose. Lately the Giants have been losing.
How many people would list Eli as one of the toughest guys in the NFL? Not many would be my guess. Yet, there's his streak of consecutive starts which is not only impressive in Eli's era of play, but historically impressive. This streak is because Eli knows how to avoid big hits? He gets rid of the ball quickly? Yeah, sure, that's part of it but he's also tough as nails and plays through pain. Never seen a QB get the snot knocked out of them like Eli in San Fran NFC Champ game. Fucking legendary performance for all ages of NFL football. And he won that game. Eli is as tough as they make 'em.
Tough guy who suits up every Sunday isn't enough? How about his character in the locker room and off the field? Well, there again, Eli is the best of the best. Sure, he may not be a rah-rah sis boom bah guy but he's clearly the leader of the team and the face of the franchise. Could anyone really ask for a better franchise QB? Never throws his coach or teammates under the bus. Never ignores the media or chafes at their ceaseless stupid questions. Always giving back to the community. Signs autographs, sells jerseys, soup and soap alike. No gun charges, no rape allegations, doesn't thump the bible in public or ever say anything stupid or detrimental to the team or the league or the game. Here again, Eli is the best a franchise could ask for.
Okay, then, well yeah, he's tough and durable and the ultimate company man. But can he win the big game? Yup, Eli delivers here too, and really this is the most important aspect of Eli's greatness. The media is always blowing Romo and Johnny Come Lately's like (then) RGIII or (now) KC1 all the while ignoring the ironman two time Super Bowl MVP. It's fucking ridiculous. The bigger the stage, the better Eli plays. Can you really say that about any other QB in the league today? And if you give me Brady or Brees, I'll agree, mostly, but also point out that these few others are regularly touted as all time NFL greats when Eli never is.
For my money, in my 40 plus years as a Giants fan, Eli's the greatest Giant ever. And yeah, I saw or heard on the radio every down LT ever played as a Giant, even met him once, and yeah he's the best football player ever, but he's a lousy person, always was and probably always will be. So, yeah, I'm right there with you, the lack of respect is ludicrous.
Bravo. Excellent epistle on Eli.
Funny how his statistics look prettier now that he is in a QB-friendly system that other QBs have been feasting on for years.
I am confident Eli will win one more ring. He wants it just because and not to shut some ignorant people up. The latter will just be a bonus.
Tony Romo is 36 and beat up. Surgeries, missed games, the body can only take so much and my feeling is the key to beating Dallas is hitting Romo. That is why I believe Dallas will keep the TE Witten in to block and pass protect a lot more than in year's past. In fact, TE Witten is no longer the receiving threat he was in years past as I believe he is 35 or 36 now. I actually thought he was going to retire.
For Eli to have the kind of season I predict the following must be in place:
1. OBJ must stay healthy and not be suspended for the season. This offense is 1/2 as productive without him. The man just beats double coverages and produces. Eli has the best deep ball in the NFL and OBJ will benefit.
2. OL / TE / FB blocking must be there for the pass and run. If we develop a solid running game that moves the chains Eli will have more options and more time of possession to get points.
3. Health: we don't have great depth at most positions so staying healthy is key.
4. WR Victor Cruz and WR Sheppard. A healthy productive Cruz changes this offense completely. Imagine Eli having a WR that can be counted on to convert 3rd downs? That can be counted on to run the right routes? If Cruz does bounce back and catch even 75-850-7 type numbers without running the wrong routes (Reuben Randle) which caused Eli to throw turnovers, well, this offense improves immensely. Rookie Sheppard must also become a true force as the year moves along. If he is "OBJ JR." in terms of being a rookie who can play and be effective this offense has 3 reliable wideouts and you need that in today's NFL.
5. Redzone offense: Eli and the coaches have to find ways to score TD's when inside the 20. A run games helps but so do playmakers. I think this is where FB Johnson, TE Donnell and WR Davis may be used along with RB Vereen.
This is the 3rd year of this offense and Eli knows it cold. We have very solid personnel and a "maturing OL" that has continuity on its side.
Eli prediction: 65%, 5,000 yards, 45 TD, 10 INT. Probowl and playoffs.
That's what bothers me. I've seen NY athletes get snubbed or virtually ignored for the HOF many times before.
That's what bothers me. I've seen NY athletes get snubbed or virtually ignored for the HOF many times before.
I think Eli is ALREADY a HOF QB with two rings and solid overall play during his career including his GAMES STARTED streak. But oddly I think Eli need to put up some huge statistical, FF league impressive numbers these next few years to get in first ballot. A 3rd ring and MVP makes him a first ballot, no argument. Lets hope Eli gets what he deserves.
Look at the Yankees teams from the mid to late 90s. How many true Yankees from that era will make it to cooperstown? Two? Jeter and Mo. No one else will come close. I am not saying anyone else should get in but you can bet your ass if Bernie Williams won 2 WS titles and dominated his position for 8 seasons for a team like the Padres? He'd be a lock. An absolute lock. You know it I know it.
LMAO
An injury prone 36 yr old QB with "upside". Too funny....
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but in the end it's Romo's upside and consistency that got him the nod
LMAO
An injury prone 36 yr old QB with "upside". Too funny....
I hope our pressure wreaks havoc on him opening day in their house. Watch him wince as he hits the ground hard. Assuming health, we are going to bring heat from mostly the DL but also from blitzes from LB Kennard, LB Robinson, S Collins and possibly my wildcard guy FB Nikita Whitlock. :)
I think QB Tony Romo, if healthy, will have a highly efficient season behind that blocking. I'm just not so sure he'll throw as many TD's as in year's past. Dallas wiill run for like 25 TD's with that OL and those RB's.
I guess it's all a matter of preference. If one prefers counting completion % over superbowl wins, who I am to say otherwise?
I guess it's all a matter of preference. If one prefers counting completion % over superbowl wins, who I am to say otherwise?
The reason I like Eli over most QB's is that he is a pressure QB. ICE under pressure and a winner. 2 rings prove that. I firmly believe that had the Giants sustained the "normal or average" amount of injuries from mid-2012 to 2015, we'd have made the playoffs maybe each and every one of those years, except 2013! We just didn't catch those breaks you need to catch.
I mean, if LT Beatty, DE JPP, CB Akumura, S Jackson (looking like starter) had stayed healthy all year I think we are a playoff team. We'd still have sucked but at 9-7 maybe we take the division over the Skins. It is about health and QB play and superstar play (OBJ).
That said, I think the pieces are in place for a monster year for Eli if Cruz looks something like we remember.
There's always going to be an article that craps on Eli. He's not elite. He doesn't belong in the HoF. Blah blah blah. Hell I laugh when people call Big Ben more of an iron man than Eli. I guess my definition of iron man differs from others. Still, I think if he has another great statistical year, even a quiet one, the talk about Eli will really turn a corner.
The Cowboys are likely going to score a lot and control the clock, but may struggle against our DL where each player is an above average run defender. I also think LB Robinson gives us middle of the field coverage ability that we haven't had in recent years.
So long as our safeties develop in pass coverage, we'll be fine on defense. We just have to stay healthy, knock Romo around and hope Cromartie holds his own against WR Bryant.
I'm glad that Eli doesn't care about this crap but it drives me crazy.
And there is only one QB in the history of the NFL that has defeated an 18-0 team in the SB
This.
Why do we care about how much respect someone gets from media, fans, or even other players?
Do you remember where you were when he won us our Super Bowls? Do you remember who you were with and how happy you were?
That's what matters. That's what I will take to my fucking grave when the man comes around.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000675666/NFC-East-bold-predictions-for-2016?campaign=fb-nn-sf31404211-sf31404211
Also here is Eli being picked by Jamie Dukes as MVP. He does later caveat that Brady was his first pick but he's sitting out 4 games.
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/NFL-Network-has-Eli-Manning-as-a-2016-MVP-candidate/fa28de61-1801-4bd7-b00b-03fd77f939e0
Finally, here's his pick at 47 of the top 100 which shows me the players are starting to respect his game as well.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2016/0ap3000000667954/Top-100-Players-of-2016-No-47-Eli-Manning
My point here is that I think it's clear that the change in offensive philosophy has greatly helped Eli. I'm not hating on Gilbride's offense either. Gilbride's offense was feast or famine. The highs were high and the lows were low. Hell yes OBJ is incredible but it's just been him so far. Most of the talking heads said Eli couldn't make the adjustment to a WCO. I don't think Eli has gotten better over the last 2 years. I think he's in a system that makes a QB look better. Just how many interceptions under Gilbride's offense was due to the receiver and QB not being on the same page? We may never known. Under McAdoo's offense, we are seeing much of Eli's skillset and less of the team's misfires.
I'll make another point that he's getting these accolades despite an overall terrible team the last 2 seasons. Is anybody blaming Eli for the Giants missing the playoffs? In previous years people would try and discredit him and claim the defense won the SB's and Eli had nothing to do with it. Laughable I know since Eli took home the MVPs.
We played the Panthers as good as anybody with Zero
on Defense and should have Won same with New England
now I'm not saying what Von Miller might have done to the right side of the O-line if the right things fall into place starting with health and guys like Kennard Hankins Cruz and Donnell come back and stay healthy and Thompson or whomever
secure the FS position . We will not only make some noise but we will make a run .
Then all the Idiots who refuse to face the facts about our
future HOF WB ...
Were gonna bitch slap The Boys opening night and find a way
to at the Very Least split with Philthy ...
We played the Panthers as good as anybody with Zero
on Defense and should have Won same with New England
now I'm not saying what Von Miller might have done to the right side of the O-line if the right things fall into place starting with health and guys like Kennard Hankins Cruz and Donnell come back and stay healthy and Thompson or whomever
secure the FS position . We will not only make some noise but we will make a run .
Then all the Idiots who refuse to face the facts about our
future HOF WB ...
Were gonna bitch slap The Boys opening night and find a way
to at the Very Least split with Philthy ...
The key is staying healthy and for the youth to develop. If guys like Sheppard, Thompson, Apple, Behre, Jackson, OWA, Bromley, Goodson, Perkins, Brett Jones, Bobby Hart, Nikita Whitlock, etc. develop and become contributors our future looks bright.
As for Dallas, remember 3 starting defensive players are already out for game 1 due to suspension. And camp hasn't even started yet so you don't know what injuries, knicks and so forth are going to hit them on defense. Same can be said for us so I'm praying we have gotten healthy and stay healthy for a great opening day game.
The main reason I'm picking us over Dallas despite their offensive talent is we will certainly score on them but our DLine, the starting group, is very solid against the run and Dallas will focus on their ground game all year long. Every starter on the DLine is an above average run defender if healthy and so forth.
I also like LB Kennard against the run. He is a true hammer. LB Brinkley really surprised last year and showed he can stop the run. Brinkley can't cover but that is why we signed LB Robinson. I also think S L. Collins will be an absolute stud at the LOS and stuff the run with the best of them too.
I also like our special teams units. Opening day often brings surprises and big returns and I love D. Harris in this role.
I'm predicting an opening WIN this year as we bounce back and don't give the game away like we did last year. But everything is contingent on our health as we lack depth. Dallas likely doesn't have the pass rushers for opening day needed to rattle Eli - 2 DE's out due to suspension.
If you can't pressure a QB he will eat you up. I see Eli going short to his open options (Tye, Vereen, Sheppard, Cruz) and deep more than once to OBJ who will haul a few in for sure.
Giant by a TD or better if we are healthy.
That is giving props!!
Other keys are redzone offense where Eli must find a way to get the ball in the endzone. I think we will run much better this year with a true FB in Johnson and improved TE blocking and OL blocking. Our continuity is also very key in my eyes.
I'm hoping Eli is 65%, 5,000, 45 TD and 9 INT or something like that but more importantly he wins games. Stats aren't everything but for AllPro they are the key.
Actually it's 15 since it includes 5 "Honorable Mentions".
Now of course some of those catches are "arguable" as to whether or not they belong on the list, and it's pretty clear that the specific game and play situations factored into the editor's selections. Several of them are last minute or seconds game winning grabs in OT and/or playoff situations.
Only 3 QBs appear twice, and at least one or two of those include, to my mind, a truly questionable or even dubious choice. The weakest "greatest catch" to my eyes is easily Brady to Welker for 99 yards, which is a less impressive catch than maybe half a dozen or so among Eli to (OBJ, Nicks, Cruz, or Manningham) plays that many Giants' fans can recall off the top of our heads.
But just taking the list at face value, the QBs with 2 plays on it and the plays' rankings are as follows:
15) Brady to Moss
10) Brady to Seller
14) Favre to Greg Lewis
9) Favre to Antonio Freeman
4) Eli to Beckham
1) Eli to Tyree
Of all the QBs on the list, every single one of the retired ones was a first ballot HOFer. All of the QBs on the list are or were Super Bowl winners.
Considering that Eli to Manningham is easily a more impressive throw and catch than the Brady to Welker play listed at 9, and that in any case Eli is the ONLY QB involved in 2 plays among the top 5, why isn't Eli widely though of as a sure fire HOFer?
I actually understand why and have addressed it at times, but still it's pretty bizarre.
Enjoy the video.
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History will judge Eli, for the Lombardis and the greatest plays ever. Long past when the top FF guys are forgotten. Guys like Romo, Ryan, and Rivers.