The lack of respect for Eli...

caring about shit like this. It's never going to change, so just laugh at them...

compete in postseason, otherwise just whining

nobody cares about losers

In comment 13041620 mdc1 said:

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compete in postseason, otherwise just whining nobody cares about losers

So did Eli stiff you on a tip once? Just curious...

if he can't win more SBs than Tom Brady then we don't need him around here! (;0>

Eli is hardly the reason for it, but the media's collective memory is about two years or so. Not many "great" QBs play on consistently losing teams.

Giants need to start winning and getting into the tournament for Eli to get the 'respect' he deserves. The regular season track record lately is not good.

I guarantee that if the Giants make it to the postseason this year, there will be a flood of analysts parroting the line, "nobody wants to face Eli and the Giants in the playoffs." Eli has a track record there too and it's a pretty damn good one. We just need to get there.

In comment 13041624 okiegiant said:

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In comment 13041620 mdc1 said: Quote: compete in postseason, otherwise just whining nobody cares about losers So did Eli stiff you on a tip once? Just curious...

He's been doing the bashing for years... he may not be a troll, but he truly sucks as a poster.

In comment 13041611 Chris in Philly said:

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caring about shit like this. It's never going to change, so just laugh at them...

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I agree, and I don't really believe in this 'lack of respect'
stuff anyhow. That is overblown by some.

Matthew Stafford was always picked ahead of Eli on these lists?

In comment 13041645 Pete in MD said:

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Matthew Stafford was always picked ahead of Eli on these lists?

Good times! I remember when Bradford(who I've met several times and seems like a genuinely nice man)and Josh Freeman were the future of the NFL.

A lot of being a great QB is staying on the field game after game year after year.

operative quotes are “last healthy season,” and “as long as he stays on the field.” Neither of those is likely to happen. I would also add that Romo doesn’t produce in the playoffs, and that Eli for years was in KGs down the field offense that inevitably produces a lower completion percentage. Last year Eli’s second best receiving option was a rookie UDFA TE from Stony Brook, he had no running game, and the leagues worst defense.

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win some football games and mdc1 : 11:33 am : link : reply compete in postseason, otherwise just whining nobody cares about losers

Isn't that what Eli has done? Competed hard in the postseason to get 2 SB rings? You know he has something like 6 times the number of playoff wins combined by Romo and Cousins, right?

I remember when we signed Freeman and at least a couple jackasses suggested he'd push eli and even take over?

that think he will be first team all pro this season. That means he will be the best qb in the league. Better than Rogers, Luck, Cam, Brady etc.

That is giving props!!

There are only 12 QBs IN HISTORY who have won multiple Super Bowls. Only 7 players IN HISTORY have multiple Super Bowl MVPs. Eli is on both of those lists but he's somehow not a top 10 QB in the league right now. I wish Romo would've stayed healthy so he could have choked in the playoffs more and we wouldn't have this "what could have been" narrative.

I'm glad that Eli doesn't care about this crap but it drives me crazy.

the offense AND the defense......

He not only has to score, but he has to score enough, to cover the inadequacies of the defense, and sometimes that isn't enough, i.e., the NO game....

And as mentioned, what has he had to work with? An OL that was rebuilt too late, and is still in the learning process...a running attack that can't convert 3rd and short....a merry go round of TE's year after year.....each year he seems to lose a receiver, Manningham, Nicks, then Cruz, and now Randle.....this means he is constantly breaking in a WR, year to year....the Giants haven't had a stud rusher in years....

And yet, they were 6th in scoring last year......but the level of offensive consistency was not there......the offense didn't show up in both Dallas games......they didn't show up until the fourth quarter of the Washington and Carolina games.....and you saw what happened, when Eli lost his only real weapon, in OBj, in the Minnesota game....

When the media looks at the Giants, they see a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 6 of the last 7 seasons......that just does not happen with a franchise QB......maybe if Eli could rush the opposing qb sometimes, or cover a TE or RB, maybe if he could double as a safety, his team would have had more wins....and yes, Eli is not flawless, but most of the times, it's because he tries to make something out of nothing, because there is nothing else he can do....

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In comment 13041645 Pete in MD said:
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Matthew Stafford was always picked ahead of Eli on these lists?


Good times! I remember when Bradford(who I've met several times and seems like a genuinely nice man)and Josh Freeman were the future of the NFL.


Don't forget Kaepernick, RGIII, and even Matt Ryan is considered better....

2007 and Eli was not on the top 100 players list, but McNabb was right after signing for Washington. I think Eli might have done something in 2007.

It was not 2007, but 2011 which actually makes it worst. I knew it was the first year they had the list.

Good times.

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hundred million bucks. That's respect enough.

In comment 13041611 Chris in Philly said:

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caring about shit like this. It's never going to change, so just laugh at them...

Just win Baby, EFF the haters

I think he geta plenty of respect here on BBI. There are plenty of lesser profile players that get ignored

Why is your fandom affected by opinion of others? It's SOMEONE'S OPINION, it's different than yours, welcome to the planet earth.

Not sure why you guys are complaining

I don't know why people even let this bother them at this point. We.. well, most of us.. know what Eli is. At the end of the day, his accomplishments will speak for themselves. He's going to be in Canton. I don't really care if some asswipe prefers Tony Romo or Kirk Cousins. I'll take #10 under center on any Sunday, Monday, Thursday, Saturday, whatever.

a Top 10 QB at the beginning of the 2011 season, and Eli wasn't? Eli had to show the raters something more (in 2011), while Josh Freeman was Jesus/Buddha/Muhammad in a football uniform. You remember who Josh Freeman is, right? Right? Yeah. Top Lists are not a sign of respect. They are a cheap, zero thought, low level appeal for ratings/clicks.

that guy who don't get no respect, gave you two Super Bowls to enjoy. He took our fandom to the top, twice. Once when he was considered the worst QB in the playoffs and various personalities and fans gave no chance to win a playoff game, the second when he carried the offense and defense on his back. Remember Eli as our Champion.

The more they dump on Eli, we end up Champs!
And the talent is here!

Eli is just a nice humble company man who doesn't get much attention or respect for his extraordinary body of work.

How many people would list Eli as one of the toughest guys in the NFL? Not many would be my guess. Yet, there's his streak of consecutive starts which is not only impressive in Eli's era of play, but historically impressive. This streak is because Eli knows how to avoid big hits? He gets rid of the ball quickly? Yeah, sure, that's part of it but he's also tough as nails and plays through pain. Never seen a QB get the snot knocked out of them like Eli in San Fran NFC Champ game. Fucking legendary performance for all ages of NFL football. And he won that game. Eli is as tough as they make 'em.

Tough guy who suits up every Sunday isn't enough? How about his character in the locker room and off the field? Well, there again, Eli is the best of the best. Sure, he may not be a rah-rah sis boom bah guy but he's clearly the leader of the team and the face of the franchise. Could anyone really ask for a better franchise QB? Never throws his coach or teammates under the bus. Never ignores the media or chafes at their ceaseless stupid questions. Always giving back to the community. Signs autographs, sells jerseys, soup and soap alike. No gun charges, no rape allegations, doesn't thump the bible in public or ever say anything stupid or detrimental to the team or the league or the game. Here again, Eli is the best a franchise could ask for.

Okay, then, well yeah, he's tough and durable and the ultimate company man. But can he win the big game? Yup, Eli delivers here too, and really this is the most important aspect of Eli's greatness. The media is always blowing Romo and Johnny Come Lately's like (then) RGIII or (now) KC1 all the while ignoring the ironman two time Super Bowl MVP. It's fucking ridiculous. The bigger the stage, the better Eli plays. Can you really say that about any other QB in the league today? And if you give me Brady or Brees, I'll agree, mostly, but also point out that these few others are regularly touted as all time NFL greats when Eli never is.

For my money, in my 40 plus years as a Giants fan, Eli's the greatest Giant ever. And yeah, I saw or heard on the radio every down LT ever played as a Giant, even met him once, and yeah he's the best football player ever, but he's a lousy person, always was and probably always will be. So, yeah, I'm right there with you, the lack of respect is ludicrous.

In comment 13041838 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Not sure why you guys are complaining

Stop.

In comment 13041631 regulator said:

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Eli is hardly the reason for it, but the media's collective memory is about two years or so. Not many "great" QBs play on consistently losing teams. Giants need to start winning and getting into the tournament for Eli to get the 'respect' he deserves. The regular season track record lately is not good. I guarantee that if the Giants make it to the postseason this year, there will be a flood of analysts parroting the line, "nobody wants to face Eli and the Giants in the playoffs." Eli has a track record there too and it's a pretty damn good one. We just need to get there.

Bingo.

Rightly or wrongly, QBs get too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when they lose. Lately the Giants have been losing.

I remember during the 2011 playoff run, before every game, the TV ass wipes picked against the Giants every single game. Every game! Now that's disrespect.

In comment 13041869 trueblueinpw said:

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Eli is just a nice humble company man who doesn't get much attention or respect for his extraordinary body of work. How many people would list Eli as one of the toughest guys in the NFL? Not many would be my guess. Yet, there's his streak of consecutive starts which is not only impressive in Eli's era of play, but historically impressive. This streak is because Eli knows how to avoid big hits? He gets rid of the ball quickly? Yeah, sure, that's part of it but he's also tough as nails and plays through pain. Never seen a QB get the snot knocked out of them like Eli in San Fran NFC Champ game. Fucking legendary performance for all ages of NFL football. And he won that game. Eli is as tough as they make 'em. Tough guy who suits up every Sunday isn't enough? How about his character in the locker room and off the field? Well, there again, Eli is the best of the best. Sure, he may not be a rah-rah sis boom bah guy but he's clearly the leader of the team and the face of the franchise. Could anyone really ask for a better franchise QB? Never throws his coach or teammates under the bus. Never ignores the media or chafes at their ceaseless stupid questions. Always giving back to the community. Signs autographs, sells jerseys, soup and soap alike. No gun charges, no rape allegations, doesn't thump the bible in public or ever say anything stupid or detrimental to the team or the league or the game. Here again, Eli is the best a franchise could ask for. Okay, then, well yeah, he's tough and durable and the ultimate company man. But can he win the big game? Yup, Eli delivers here too, and really this is the most important aspect of Eli's greatness. The media is always blowing Romo and Johnny Come Lately's like (then) RGIII or (now) KC1 all the while ignoring the ironman two time Super Bowl MVP. It's fucking ridiculous. The bigger the stage, the better Eli plays. Can you really say that about any other QB in the league today? And if you give me Brady or Brees, I'll agree, mostly, but also point out that these few others are regularly touted as all time NFL greats when Eli never is. For my money, in my 40 plus years as a Giants fan, Eli's the greatest Giant ever. And yeah, I saw or heard on the radio every down LT ever played as a Giant, even met him once, and yeah he's the best football player ever, but he's a lousy person, always was and probably always will be. So, yeah, I'm right there with you, the lack of respect is ludicrous.

Bravo. Excellent epistle on Eli.

His Super Bowl performances alone should have people bowing at his feet. He outperformed Brady, not to mention the crap performances from Big Ben and Peyton on the biggest stage. Also, he carried that 2011 team during the regular season. Flat out carried them. I don't know who won MVP in 2011, but they should have come in second place.

Funny how his statistics look prettier now that he is in a QB-friendly system that other QBs have been feasting on for years.

I am confident Eli will win one more ring. He wants it just because and not to shut some ignorant people up. The latter will just be a bonus.

2016 will have him put up numbers that are far better than any he has previously had.

Tony Romo is 36 and beat up. Surgeries, missed games, the body can only take so much and my feeling is the key to beating Dallas is hitting Romo. That is why I believe Dallas will keep the TE Witten in to block and pass protect a lot more than in year's past. In fact, TE Witten is no longer the receiving threat he was in years past as I believe he is 35 or 36 now. I actually thought he was going to retire.

For Eli to have the kind of season I predict the following must be in place:
1. OBJ must stay healthy and not be suspended for the season. This offense is 1/2 as productive without him. The man just beats double coverages and produces. Eli has the best deep ball in the NFL and OBJ will benefit.
2. OL / TE / FB blocking must be there for the pass and run. If we develop a solid running game that moves the chains Eli will have more options and more time of possession to get points.
3. Health: we don't have great depth at most positions so staying healthy is key.
4. WR Victor Cruz and WR Sheppard. A healthy productive Cruz changes this offense completely. Imagine Eli having a WR that can be counted on to convert 3rd downs? That can be counted on to run the right routes? If Cruz does bounce back and catch even 75-850-7 type numbers without running the wrong routes (Reuben Randle) which caused Eli to throw turnovers, well, this offense improves immensely. Rookie Sheppard must also become a true force as the year moves along. If he is "OBJ JR." in terms of being a rookie who can play and be effective this offense has 3 reliable wideouts and you need that in today's NFL.
5. Redzone offense: Eli and the coaches have to find ways to score TD's when inside the 20. A run games helps but so do playmakers. I think this is where FB Johnson, TE Donnell and WR Davis may be used along with RB Vereen.

This is the 3rd year of this offense and Eli knows it cold. We have very solid personnel and a "maturing OL" that has continuity on its side.

Eli prediction: 65%, 5,000 yards, 45 TD, 10 INT. Probowl and playoffs.

That some people never get beyond perception. No matter what actually occurs they never allow facts to deter them from their narrative. This happens in all areas of like. It is why I stopped caring long ago about what talking heads and reporters have to write or say about sports, politics, etc.

It really hit me that he's thrown two of the most memorable passes in the history of the sport. That will be his legacy long after the media mouths have moved on to other victims.

Fans about Eli. It takes one game like Minnesota to put them back to saying he sucks. He can have five great games after that and people still remember one of those. I choose not to watch or talk about the Giants with these people.

because a lot of the same apes that vote for shit like this also have a HOF vote. Some of the HOF voters have a warped opinion of certain players. Warped is being kind.

That's what bothers me. I've seen NY athletes get snubbed or virtually ignored for the HOF many times before.

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because a lot of the same apes that vote for shit like this also have a HOF vote. Some of the HOF voters have a warped opinion of certain players. Warped is being kind. That's what bothers me. I've seen NY athletes get snubbed or virtually ignored for the HOF many times before.

How DE Michael Strahan wasn't a first ballot hall of famer was beyond me. I think he got "penalized" because Strahan's sack record is tainted by the Brett Favre fall down, which is also over-rated cause he was going to get nailed anyway. So yeah, there is an anti- NY stigma.

I think Eli is ALREADY a HOF QB with two rings and solid overall play during his career including his GAMES STARTED streak. But oddly I think Eli need to put up some huge statistical, FF league impressive numbers these next few years to get in first ballot. A 3rd ring and MVP makes him a first ballot, no argument. Lets hope Eli gets what he deserves.

and only one HOFer that played on both teams--LT. One additional one in Harry Carson. Guys like Banks, Bavaro, Marshall, Oates don't even get a WHIFF of Canton. Not even a vote or a mention while I can rattle of a dozen members of Canton that like those 4 players should probably be in the hall of very good, but only NY athletes receive the 'objective" vote. When it's Dan Hampton or Jerome Bettis---come on in we love you!

Look at the Yankees teams from the mid to late 90s. How many true Yankees from that era will make it to cooperstown? Two? Jeter and Mo. No one else will come close. I am not saying anyone else should get in but you can bet your ass if Bernie Williams won 2 WS titles and dominated his position for 8 seasons for a team like the Padres? He'd be a lock. An absolute lock. You know it I know it.

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but in the end it's Romo's upside and consistency that got him the nod

LMAO

An injury prone 36 yr old QB with "upside". Too funny....

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Quote: but in the end it's Romo's upside and consistency that got him the nod LMAO An injury prone 36 yr old QB with "upside". Too funny....

I laughed at that statement as well. But upon further review, I think they mean upside as in having a good statistical season on this loaded offense. This assumes he stays healthy which is a big "if" if you ask me. He had surgery this off-season to "tune up" his shoulder so he doesn't potentially get hurt. I mean, is this preventative surgery?

I hope our pressure wreaks havoc on him opening day in their house. Watch him wince as he hits the ground hard. Assuming health, we are going to bring heat from mostly the DL but also from blitzes from LB Kennard, LB Robinson, S Collins and possibly my wildcard guy FB Nikita Whitlock. :)

Why this continues to bother people i don't understand. This will not change. It is easier to bash Eli as the anti Peyton than it is to prop him up. It is not changing - not a big deal

stays healthy, I expect him to put up better numbers than Eli. He has an absurd offensive line and an elite wide receiver. That's all this article has to say.

In comment 13042167 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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stays healthy, I expect him to put up better numbers than Eli. He has an absurd offensive line and an elite wide receiver. That's all this article has to say.

Maybe. Just maybe. I was watching a Jerry Jones interview with Romo being the key topic. I think it was ESPN online. Anyhow, you got the idea that Jones was going to "protect" Romo as much as he can. That means running more; using TE Witten as a blocker; and RB Elliott to stay in and chip when he doesn't run.

I think QB Tony Romo, if healthy, will have a highly efficient season behind that blocking. I'm just not so sure he'll throw as many TD's as in year's past. Dallas wiill run for like 25 TD's with that OL and those RB's.

Who could win multiple superbowls while stringing together the seasons Eli has the past 7 years with all the production and get such little of respect. As it is, pretty much any journeymen or young nothing-to-show-to-date hack who falls into a good situation and has a half way decent year can find SOME boob in the media putting him ahead of Eli in their top10 list.

I guess it's all a matter of preference. If one prefers counting completion % over superbowl wins, who I am to say otherwise?

In comment 13042214 UberAlias said:

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Who could win multiple superbowls while stringing together the seasons Eli has the past 7 years with all the production and get such little of respect. As it is, pretty much any journeymen or young nothing-to-show-to-date hack who falls into a good situation and has a half way decent year can find SOME boob in the media putting him ahead of Eli in their top10 list. I guess it's all a matter of preference. If one prefers counting completion % over superbowl wins, who I am to say otherwise?

Offensive Coordinator Kevin Gillbride's offense called for deeper passes hence the lower completion percentages. Eli's completion percentages have been decent the last two years under McAdoo and the WCO.

The reason I like Eli over most QB's is that he is a pressure QB. ICE under pressure and a winner. 2 rings prove that. I firmly believe that had the Giants sustained the "normal or average" amount of injuries from mid-2012 to 2015, we'd have made the playoffs maybe each and every one of those years, except 2013! We just didn't catch those breaks you need to catch.

I mean, if LT Beatty, DE JPP, CB Akumura, S Jackson (looking like starter) had stayed healthy all year I think we are a playoff team. We'd still have sucked but at 9-7 maybe we take the division over the Skins. It is about health and QB play and superstar play (OBJ).

There is not a QB in the league who would get such little recognition if they had half of Eli's resume. A guy can show nothing for years and then put up a half way decent year managing games and you're going to see someone propping him over Eli. Those hacks come and go every year.

That said, I think the pieces are in place for a monster year for Eli if Cruz looks something like we remember.