this shit needs to stop, its unreal. RIP to the victims.
Was face-timing with my sister yesterday. Left Nice for Amsterdam that morning of the truck massacre and is leaving Amsterdam for Germany this weekend I believe. I can't imaging going country to country, city to city on what's supposed to be a trip of a lifetime, while also dodging senseless attacks. Fucking nuts.
Was face-timing with my sister yesterday. Left Nice for Amsterdam that morning of the truck massacre and is leaving Amsterdam for Germany this weekend I believe. I can't imaging going country to country, city to city on what's supposed to be a trip of a lifetime, while also dodging senseless attacks. Fucking nuts.
Was face-timing with my sister yesterday. Left Nice for Amsterdam that morning of the truck massacre and is leaving Amsterdam for Germany this weekend I believe. I can't imaging going country to country, city to city on what's supposed to be a trip of a lifetime, while also dodging senseless attacks. Fucking nuts.
What's next? Pearl Harbor for Dec. 7?
As of yesterday it was Lisbon to Barcelona to Nice to Amsterdam to Mainz (this weekend i think) to Berlin to Prague to Budapest to Croatia (not sure which town) to Greek Islands (September) to Asia (not sure all the stops).
We've always lived in a world where one could fuck it up for thousands. But now these asshole individuals do it with no remorse.
This is a deep issue about humanity at its core, not simply politics or religion. Weird times.
Privacy vs. Safety. That's THE issue in the world for us 1st world assholes. I can't even imagine the "microcameras everywhere including toilets" world I'm gonna be living in 20 years. That's gonna suck. But these dumbasses who are doing this are speeding up that process.
on a side and more lighthearted note (kind of), check out Black Mirror on Netflix. It speaks to the point you made about 20 years from now, and after watching a couple episodes it really makes you think about the realities of tech/security in the not too distant future.
But this is what terrorism does; creates an atmosphere of fear. Enough fear creates people 'frozen' at home; which creates jobs lost; which produces economic collapse, destroys countries; terrorists 'win' without significant further violence.
RIP to all who will be found murdered; pray for healing for the wounded and families of all.
And on a less sensitive note: Is OBJ out of Germany yet? Giants gotta get him back home. And Cruz also from, France?
The EU has been at best(from my point of view) neurtral, but really actually pro Palestinian.The EU has certainly not been against the Palestinian movement so what really is the purpose of all of these shootings in Europe.What are the perpetrators trying to achieve?Crazy people being crazy.
Hard to think that bringing these people here is really a good idea.
Let's not rush to judgement. I'm sure this is just an isolated incident of a lone wolf attack. In the mean time, let's all queue our prayers for the victims and their families and prepare to whistle past the graveyard of the religion of peace.
I have heard this will all come to an end in January.
Given what's going on, does it seem likely that it's jihad-related? Yes, but people do commit mass murder for other reasons. The news vultures will have the story soon, no need to assume anything.
RE: I have heard this will all come to an end in January.
I hope beyond hope that this isn't related to any Islamic terror group. I hope we find out it was just some crazy individual carrying out some grudge against the mall, McDonalds or something.
I hope beyond hope that this isn't related to any Islamic terror group. I hope we find out it was just some crazy individual carrying out some grudge against the mall, McDonalds or something.
Why? The result is the same and every attack from Isis is another wake up call that they need to be eradicated. Does it really make a difference to the victims and their families if it was some sick fuck who lost his job and is pissed off or a sick fuck that's part of Isis?
Why? The result is the same and every attack from Isis is another wake up call that they need to be eradicated. Does it really make a difference to the victims and their families if it was some sick fuck who lost his job and is pissed off or a sick fuck that's part of Isis?
This isn't a humorous subject, obviously, but I can't help but think of My Cousin Vinny after reading this...
"Imagine youah a deeah. Youah prancin' along, you get thirsty, you spot a little brook. You put ya little deer lips down to the water.....BAM! A fuckin' bullet rips off part a yah head! Yah brains are lyin' around in little bloody pieces! Now I ax yah....are you gonna give a fuck what kind of pants the sonofabitch that shot ya was wearin'??"
Does it really make a difference to the victims and their families if it was some sick fuck who lost his job and is pissed off or a sick fuck that's part of Isis?
Bob Baer (ex-CIA) just said on CNN that it sounded like a 9mm semi-auto pistol which is "easily available in Europe on the black market." I was a bid surprised to here him say that so casually.
The perpetrators are still at large. I wonder how that could be claimed. Perhaps a witness heard the shooters shouting "We are lone-wolf, atheists supporters of Burger King."
is while we all await word of the shooter like sadly a lot of people are focusing on, they want to know the shooter's religion, ethnicity, race, and most importantly the motive, if I were a Muslim right now I'd just be praying, "please don't be a Muslim". Just be a regular old nut job whose religion is irrelevant. At least that's how I view it, maybe they're not.
I remember after the Oklahoma City bombing, Chris Rock had either an SNL or just a normal comedy special and he opened with some words about OKC and he said "thank god it wasn't a black man" and I thought at first it was kind of cold and insensitive to the families of the victims, but I know what he meant. With OJ just happening, Rodney King not long ago, etc. the blowback would have been worse if it had been a black man/group.
I think right now Muslims, for the most part, are probably feeling the same way.
anyway as everyone speculates on the shooters and motives without any facts yet (all I have heard so far is it's a "terror attack'), just thought I'd add that useless post.
RE: One thing I will say that might be met with some flack
is while we all await word of the shooter like sadly a lot of people are focusing on, they want to know the shooter's religion, ethnicity, race, and most importantly the motive, if I were a Muslim right now I'd just be praying, "please don't be a Muslim". Just be a regular old nut job whose religion is irrelevant. At least that's how I view it, maybe they're not.
I remember after the Oklahoma City bombing, Chris Rock had either an SNL or just a normal comedy special and he opened with some words about OKC and he said "thank god it wasn't a black man" and I thought at first it was kind of cold and insensitive to the families of the victims, but I know what he meant. With OJ just happening, Rodney King not long ago, etc. the blowback would have been worse if it had been a black man/group.
I think right now Muslims, for the most part, are probably feeling the same way.
anyway as everyone speculates on the shooters and motives without any facts yet (all I have heard so far is it's a "terror attack'), just thought I'd add that useless post.
Yet, many Muslims apparently do not feel that way, and always claim the perpetrators of these attacks are "not true Muslims."
This is said about Muslims by Muslims all the time. Only when one criticizes Islamic doctrine do they suddenly become "1.6 billion" that are being accused of being terrorists, bad, etc.
There is a pretty obvious pattern of protecting the beliefs and ring-fencing responsibility, which has let to where we are now.
The Associated Press @AP 43 seconds ago
BREAKING: Members of Germany's elite anti-terrorism force are on their way to the scene of the deadly shooting in Munich.
exceptions to this, e.g. who admit a problem with Islam, but the handful of Muslims in the public realm that say this are vilified and threatened mercilessly.
Free speech is the only solution for this, judging from history.
Multiple sources now saying this is not ISIS/Islamic Terrorism
Not sure where these reports of it not being Islamic-related are coming from, but based on eye-witness interviews on CNN (aside from the the likelihood of it not being Islamic-inspired to begin with) is about as close to "zero" without being actually
zero."
"Man: "You fucking Asshole you..."
>Shooter: "Because of you I [unintelligible]..."
Balcony Man: "You cunt you. you're a cunt"
>Shooter: "...and now I have to buy a gun to shoot you"
Balcony Man: "a gun fuck off your head isn't on right"
>Shooter and Balcony man shouting at each other
Balcony Man apparently to people filming: "He's got a gun here the guy has one"
Unseen voice: "Shit/Fucking Turks!"
Balcony Man: "Shit/Fucking Kanacken" (foreigners basically)
Balcony man to someone else : "EY! HE'S GOT A GUN! He has loaded his gun! Get the cops here!"
>Shooter: "I am German."
Balcony Man: "You're a cunt is what you are"
>Shooter: "Stop filming!"
Balcony Man: "A cunt is what you are, what the fuck are you doing?"
>Shooter: "Yeah what, I was born here!"
Balcony Man: "Yeah and what the fuck you think you're doing???"
>Shooter: "I grew up here in the Hartz 4 (unemployment benefits in Germany) area.
Balcony Man and Shooter talk at same time, can't make it out.
>Shooter says something about "Behandlung" which is "treatment" in both medical treatment or just how you treat people,not sure which one he means.
Balcony Man says something like "Yeah treatment is something for you"
>Shooter: "I haven't done anything here for [unintelligible]"
>Shooter: "Just shut your fucking face man"
Balcony Man: "You cunt you"
Balcony Man: "HEY! HE'S ON THE UPPER FLOOR HERE [unintelligible]"
Filming man goes into cover, shooter starts firing.
Balcony man calls him a cunt again.
Balcony man shouts something at him about "shooting here" and Shooter replies multiple times "Yeah, that's where you're right! Yeah you're right with that!" Yeah you're right!"
Video ends."
Not sure where these reports of it not being Islamic-related are coming from, but based on eye-witness interviews on CNN (aside from the the likelihood of it not being Islamic-inspired to begin with) is about as close to "zero" without being actually
zero."
Terrorists say they're a solider of ISIS just to gain more attention and notoriety.
Look at the Orlando killer. He pledged his allegiance to ISIS AND Hezzbolla. They are freaking enemies. In short, he had no freaking clue what he was talking about.
My comment stands alone and speaks for itself. Not only was it not intended to accomplish anything, if there is anything I am the world I am supremely confident of, it is that my comment will accomplish nothing.
Just like the rest of us in this thread, I am pissing in the wind. If nothing else, I gained personal satisfaction from my post. That in an of itself was worth it and will have to remain my only solace.
I'm sorry if you are offended, irritated, disturbed or dismayed. The good news is, that if and when this all comes to an end, we can all get back to football. I'll personally start carving the face of the guy (or gal) that makes this stop right in the side of fucking Mt. Rushmore.
Not sure where these reports of it not being Islamic-related are coming from, but based on eye-witness interviews on CNN (aside from the the likelihood of it not being Islamic-inspired to begin with) is about as close to "zero" without being actually
zero."
Try to contain your excitement.
Yes, I am thrilled to watch idiots like you double down on your ignorance. It's the highlight of my day.
A one trick pony and an aashole. What a way to spend a life.
Coming from the guy who cannot avoid responding every time I post on a thread, and is apparently so insecure, he thinks calling people names indicates his arguments have an ounce of value.
Not sure where these reports of it not being Islamic-related are coming from, but based on eye-witness interviews on CNN (aside from the the likelihood of it not being Islamic-inspired to begin with) is about as close to "zero" without being actually
zero."
Try to contain your excitement.
Yes, I am thrilled to watch idiots like you double down on your ignorance. It's the highlight of my day.
We get it. You don't like Muslims. Give it a rest already you miserable cunt stain.
A one trick pony and an aashole. What a way to spend a life.
Coming from the guy who cannot avoid responding every time I post on a thread, and is apparently so insecure, he thinks calling people names indicates his arguments have an ounce of value.
Calling you an ass wipe has nothing to do with being insecure.
better that people stop pretending and accept responsibility for their own safety. Do not authorize or empower others to do so at the expense of your freedoms.
My comment stands alone and speaks for itself. Not only was it not intended to accomplish anything, if there is anything I am the world I am supremely confident of, it is that my comment will accomplish nothing.
Just like the rest of us in this thread, I am pissing in the wind. If nothing else, I gained personal satisfaction from my post. That in an of itself was worth it and will have to remain my only solace.
I'm sorry if you are offended, irritated, disturbed or dismayed. The good news is, that if and when this all comes to an end, we can all get back to football. I'll personally start carving the face of the guy (or gal) that makes this stop right in the side of fucking Mt. Rushmore.
I'm not offended at all. I just hate seeing threads delete because people don't follow Erics rules about no politics. I happen to be for political discussions but he has banned them and good threads have been deleted because people just have to go down that route.
My sister is in Europe and these threads help me get news faster than pretty much every outlet. I don't want it or other threads deleted.
The Associated Press @AP 27 seconds ago
BREAKING: Police chief: Suspect in Munich mall shooting that killed 9 was an 18-year-old whose motive is still 'fully unclear.'
The Associated Press @AP 27 seconds ago
BREAKING: Police chief: Suspect in Munich mall shooting that killed 9 was an 18-year-old whose motive is still 'fully unclear.'
Seriously?????
BTW, the Nice terrorist was planning his attack for months with other terrorists Link - ( New Window )
better that people stop pretending and accept responsibility for their own safety. Do not authorize or empower others to do so at the expense of your freedoms.
I watch Fox occasionally, sometimes CNN. I read some articles on the Internet and catch NPR in the car sometimes. I'm not in the 24 7 news thing but I know enough to call BS on some of the claims being made. I travel a fair amount and feel very safe.
I watch Fox occasionally, sometimes CNN. I read some articles on the Internet and catch NPR in the car sometimes. I'm not in the 24 7 news thing but I know enough to call BS on some of the claims being made. I travel a fair amount and feel very safe.
Ends in 2014, but 2015 was not more than a very sight uptick. The image is too large, so I eliminated it. It shows that murders per hundred thousand peaked at 10.2 and then 9.8 in 1980 and 1991, and was at 4.5 in 2014. I doubt that the number would have increased much in 2015 or ytd 2016, political fearmongering and clusters of mass shootings notwithstanding.
Fox News reported that Los Angeles is going to spend $1 billion on jetpacks that can fly a person up to 63 miles per hour and soar to heights of 8,000 feet.
Fox News reported that Los Angeles is going to spend $1 billion on jetpacks that can fly a person up to 63 miles per hour and soar to heights of 8,000 feet.
The criminals who are responsible for the mass shootings. In almost every case they have serious mental health issues. The guy in Orlando was clearly nuts and the ISIS claim was like an afterthought.
The other thing many people hate to admit, our counterterrorism efforts have been outstanding. Massive KUDOS to the FBI, NSA, TSA, etc, etc.
America is as great as ever and we've never been safer.
Fox News reported that Los Angeles is going to spend $1 billion on jetpacks that can fly a person up to 63 miles per hour and soar to heights of 8,000 feet.
WTF are you talking about?
I think he's referring to a report about 10 years ago? WTF?
Fox News reported that Los Angeles is going to spend $1 billion on jetpacks that can fly a person up to 63 miles per hour and soar to heights of 8,000 feet.
WTF are you talking about?
I think he's referring to a report about 10 years ago? WTF?
Fox News reported that Los Angeles is going to spend $1 billion on jetpacks that can fly a person up to 63 miles per hour and soar to heights of 8,000 feet.
WTF are you talking about?
I think he's referring to a report about 10 years ago? WTF?
Or hallucinating.
It must be an alternate fekker handle. He does specialize in old news stories, after all.
Once can take comfort in the fact that we live in the safest, most
peaceful time in human history while still recognizing that we are more at risk of terror attacks and mass shootings than we were 20yrs ago. You can also recognize how remote the chance of being killed in an attack is (incredibly) while arguing that something needs to be done to get that possibility to zero. They aren't mutually exclusive. Not everyone who argues for action against ISIS et al is driven by fear. Many are driven by compassion.
that while things are relatively safe in the West, that in certain parts of the West the potential for violence and bloodshed is significant and the threat to values is also significant. The notion, for instance, that one religion is above satire and ridicule because people acting in its name are liable to commit acts of violence in response is and should be anathema to us. Moreover, ISIS and fellow travelers throughout the world are visiting death and destruction upon people in some corners of the world, from Syria to Kabul, and for them it is tough to argue that the world is safer than it was thirty odd years ago.
as well as Donald Trump....As if the horror of these shootings was not bad enough I know you guys must have been devastated yesterday when we found out that this lunatic had nothing to do with Isis, and was just your garden variety nut that was obsessed with school shootings...
It matters because understanding why attacks happen can help us to prevent future attacks. It can also help to educate bigots and people who support policies like religious discrimination.
It seems clear mentally ill people with guns are dangerous. Perhaps we should be screening gun owners for mental health issues instead having a religious test for those visiting America. Oh wait, the NRA would never approve of that.
With a history of mental illness from purchasing firearms (the Virginia Tech shooter, for example, should have been unable to pass his background check - twice, actually). The issue isn't the NRA, (though I can see how certain under-informed and agenda driven individuals would think that), but rather the state systems for making mental health information available.
RE: oh and my condolences go out to Mike in Marin and Buford
as well as Donald Trump....As if the horror of these shootings was not bad enough I know you guys must have been devastated yesterday when we found out that this lunatic had nothing to do with Isis, and was just your garden variety nut that was obsessed with school shootings...
With a history of mental illness from purchasing firearms (the Virginia Tech shooter, for example, should have been unable to pass his background check - twice, actually). The issue isn't the NRA, (though I can see how certain under-informed and agenda driven individuals would think that), but rather the state systems for making mental health information available.
not to mention the Munich shooter is well you know in Munich and the NRA is mainly a USA based organization - they have some global reach, but nothing like the influence they have here, plus the Munich shooter bought his gun from the dark web (black market) and from what I read it was a prop gun that was re-made back into a real gun (which I had no idea was how they made prop guns or that they could be made back into real guns).
But the story fades quickly if it's just a regular nut instead of a Muslim nut
Like the Nice attack? You said it was just another nut and it turns out he had ties to a terror group and was planning the attack for months.
This guy could be just a nut, but his motivation was clear. Kill a bunch of people. But until they investigate, you won't know if he had other ties. Like where did he get 300 rounds of ammo in Germany that has strict gun control laws?
I have some experience with the current UK law, and it would be easier to build a new gun than to "re activate" a gun - a process that includes welding all its moving parts together.
I don't believe a history of mental illness is enough
It matters because understanding why attacks happen can help us to prevent future attacks. It can also help to educate bigots and people who support policies like religious discrimination.
It seems clear mentally ill people with guns are dangerous. Perhaps we should be screening gun owners for mental health issues instead having a religious test for those visiting America. Oh wait, the NRA would never approve of that.
Ya know- the idea of not letting a flood of Muslim refugees in the country isn't bigoted.
I do my best to be open minded on the subject. There are decent arguments to be made.
Firstly, refugees are not the same demographic as a 'normal' immigrant. Muslims that immigrate here from the ME, India, or SEA, are for the most part upper middle class folks that are relatively educated. The implication being that they are already more "westernized" (even if only in thought) than the general population of their country of origin.
Refugees on the other hand I imagine are a more representative sample of their country's economic demographics. (Gender and age are part of the discussion but not really important to my point). Considering the culture they are coming from and the basic differences (much, much, more than a European or Asian) with Western culture, some of which are unimaginable here, we'd be foolish to not think long and hard about the difficulties of assimilating large groups of these refugees. It isn't always about racism and religious discrimination.
And it absolutely is not the same as Muslim immigrants that we have seen over the past few decades. Looking at it through that lense ("my immigrant neighbor's are great people") is a mistake.
First, no one was discussing refugees. Second, how do you know they're Muslim? Do you also support a religious test? I can't think of anything more un-American.
First, no one was discussing refugees. Second, how do you know they're Muslim? Do you also support a religious test? I can't think of anything more un-American.
I assumed. Which policies of religious discrimination were you referring to? There are only two of which I've heard that have cause a rukus: Limiting refugees and the fantasy "no Muslims allowed" one. I was giving you credit insomuch as I don't think you believe the latter could possibly happen.
Also- of course there would be no Muslim test.
What part of limiting or refusing refugees from a culture with vastly different values is unamerican?
Has anyone ever suggested we take an unlimited number of refugees?
The Muslim test is a huge part of a platform and is supported by many Americans. You must have a crystal ball if you say it's not happening.
I believe we have a moral obligation to help a limited number of those suffering. Especially since we played a role in creating the problem.
The entire situation is sad and similar to how Americans treated Jews in the 40s.
There are times when I feel embarrassed for America. History will not treat us kindly.
I do actually agree with much of what you're saying. I don't have a crystal ball, but no, I don't believe there is any possibility that "no Muslims" will ever be put into action regardless of who wins the election. Although not perfect, we do still have checks and balances in the form of the legislative and judicial branches that keep the more outrageous of the campaign platforms and promises from ever actually being adopted.
Does it suck that many people support such policies out of fear and bigotry? Yep, it sure does. Is it going to get better anytime soon? Nope, not as long as there continue to be frequent terrorist attacks in the name of Islam.
As far as the refugees- I believe there is a moral obligation to help people trying to escape war and make a better life. I don't believe that means we forget about protecting our own people and our values. This is very much different from other instances in the past. You can't compare it to how Jews were treated because Jews weren't strapping bombs to themselves and taking as many Gentiles with them as they could. You can't compare it to the Jews because they weren't coming from cultures in which women were treated as second class citizens and denied such things as education (relative to their contemporaries).
I do absolutely believe that the overwhelming majority of Muslims from the ME want nothing more than to live in peace and to give their kids more than they had.
I can also recognize that these folks are less educated (not just r and r's but educated about the world and other cultures) than the same folks over here that you are so embarrassed by. Take a step back and apply the same thought process you use on your fellow Americans and apply it to poorer, less educated folks, from a less developed (rights wise) culture that's very different from our own and ask yourself just how many of them you want here.
To be clear, I am not against any refugees. I think we need to really understand what we are getting into it we ultimately decide to take tens of thousands of them.
Ya know- the idea of not letting a flood of Muslim refugees in the country isn't bigoted.
You do know that ISIS has infiltrated the refugee camps and some of the Paris attackers got there with refugees? And the FBI has said they can't vet these people.
But it's all a game to you, you just post this shit to stir up trouble.
You do know that ISIS has infiltrated the refugee camps and some of the Paris attackers got there with refugees? And the FBI has said they can't vet these people.
I assume the plan is that anyone who can't be vetted won't be allowed in the country.
What I don't understand is why these people need to be relocated halfway across the globe as immigrants rather than staying nearby their original countries as refugees waiting to return to their county when the hostilities cease. Palestinian refugees have been waiting generations to return to their place of their origin (or their grandparents origin) without being re-settled elsewhere, what makes the Syrian refugees in a hurry to abandon their dream of a return?
Logic would dictate that Arab/Muslim refugees keep to Arab/Muslim countries where they (for the most part) share a culture and language until it is safe to return to their homes in Syria. Why relocate refugees to America where they are bound to experience the most culture shock and the most difficulty assimilating?
We disagree on refugees. How is that stirring anything up? The fact that we played a role in screwing it up doesn't seem to bother you. BTW, how would one vet a widow with 2 young children?
Rob, You are correct. My apologies. I firmly believe that will be the case.
The neighbors don't want them because they're destabilizing, and because in many instances these conflicts prove much more enduring than originally anticipated (Lebanon, for instance, had nearly a quarter-century of on again-off again war and is still at risk). Jordan, which has settled refugees, had to drive out the PLO in the 70's. The PLO was arguably the tipping point for the start of the Lebanese Civil War. Iraq has its own problems, to be sure. Saudi is famously insular, and the princelets around the Gulf don't have the resources (food/water, not $ - they have plenty of that) to accept large numbers of refugees either.
We disagree on refugees. How is that stirring anything up? The fact that we played a role in screwing it up doesn't seem to bother you. BTW, how would one vet a widow with 2 young children?
Rob, You are correct. My apologies. I firmly believe that will be the case.
We disagree on refugees. How is that stirring anything up? The fact that we played a role in screwing it up doesn't seem to bother you. BTW, how would one vet a widow with 2 young children?
Rob, You are correct. My apologies. I firmly believe that will be the case.
It's not about refugees. It's about you.
Great, I'll try harder to ignore you.
Suicide bombing by a 27-year old Syrian national...
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Ya know- the idea of not letting a flood of Muslim refugees in the country isn't bigoted.
Holy cow the right wing has so twisted what Comey said months ago in front of congress. We have an intensely strong vetting system. It takes 6 months to get a refugee to get into this country. They are first vetted by UN security and then our country vets them. Congress asked him for 100% guarantee and nobody can ever give that about anyone trying to enter the country. Somehow Sean Hannity and Breitbart.com have taken that and interpreted it to mean that taking in refugees would be a free for all that we can't stop or monitor.
Ya know- the idea of not letting a flood of Muslim refugees in the country isn't bigoted.
You do know that ISIS has infiltrated the refugee camps and some of the Paris attackers got there with refugees? And the FBI has said they can't vet these people.
But it's all a game to you, you just post this shit to stir up trouble.
The most common locations that asylum seekers are leaving include Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Albania and Syria. Up to October 4, the number of refugees entering Finland from Iraq was 13,848, while 1,810 came from Somalia, 1,060 from Afghanistan, 676 from Albania and 409 from Syria.
Whats the gender split?
According to Kautto the vast majority of the asylum seekers roughly 15,000 are male. Women account for 2,816. There are close to 2,000 children traveling with adults, while unaccompanied minors number around 1,000.
That's Finland, but most are non-Syrian refugees and males.
We disagree on refugees. How is that stirring anything up? The fact that we played a role in screwing it up doesn't seem to bother you. BTW, how would one vet a widow with 2 young children?
Rob, You are correct. My apologies. I firmly believe that will be the case.
Shooter(s) still active
Was face-timing with my sister yesterday. Left Nice for Amsterdam that morning of the truck massacre and is leaving Amsterdam for Germany this weekend I believe. I can't imaging going country to country, city to city on what's supposed to be a trip of a lifetime, while also dodging senseless attacks. Fucking nuts.
Was face-timing with my sister yesterday. Left Nice for Amsterdam that morning of the truck massacre and is leaving Amsterdam for Germany this weekend I believe. I can't imaging going country to country, city to city on what's supposed to be a trip of a lifetime, while also dodging senseless attacks. Fucking nuts.
What's next? Pearl Harbor for Dec. 7?
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Was face-timing with my sister yesterday. Left Nice for Amsterdam that morning of the truck massacre and is leaving Amsterdam for Germany this weekend I believe. I can't imaging going country to country, city to city on what's supposed to be a trip of a lifetime, while also dodging senseless attacks. Fucking nuts.
What's next? Pearl Harbor for Dec. 7?
As of yesterday it was Lisbon to Barcelona to Nice to Amsterdam to Mainz (this weekend i think) to Berlin to Prague to Budapest to Croatia (not sure which town) to Greek Islands (September) to Asia (not sure all the stops).
This is a deep issue about humanity at its core, not simply politics or religion. Weird times.
Privacy vs. Safety. That's THE issue in the world for us 1st world assholes. I can't even imagine the "microcameras everywhere including toilets" world I'm gonna be living in 20 years. That's gonna suck. But these dumbasses who are doing this are speeding up that process.
RIP to all who will be found murdered; pray for healing for the wounded and families of all.
And on a less sensitive note: Is OBJ out of Germany yet? Giants gotta get him back home. And Cruz also from, France?
Hard to think that bringing these people here is really a good idea.
Take with a grain of salt, obviously.
Oh...you clever, clever man...I see what you're doing...:)
BREAKING: German public broadcaster BR reports 6 people have been killed at the mall shooting in Munich.
What do you accomplish with saying that?
BREAKING: Police say they suspect Munich shooting is terror attack.
Why? The result is the same and every attack from Isis is another wake up call that they need to be eradicated. Does it really make a difference to the victims and their families if it was some sick fuck who lost his job and is pissed off or a sick fuck that's part of Isis?
This isn't a humorous subject, obviously, but I can't help but think of My Cousin Vinny after reading this...
"Imagine youah a deeah. Youah prancin' along, you get thirsty, you spot a little brook. You put ya little deer lips down to the water.....BAM! A fuckin' bullet rips off part a yah head! Yah brains are lyin' around in little bloody pieces! Now I ax yah....are you gonna give a fuck what kind of pants the sonofabitch that shot ya was wearin'??"
UPDATE: At least two shooters in Munich rampage: German security sources
Reuters Top News @Reuters 2m
MORE: Witnesses in Munich rampage saw three shooters with long rifles - local police spokesman
Bob Baer (ex-CIA) just said on CNN that it sounded like a 9mm semi-auto pistol which is "easily available in Europe on the black market." I was a bid surprised to here him say that so casually.
The perpetrators are still at large. I wonder how that could be claimed. Perhaps a witness heard the shooters shouting "We are lone-wolf, atheists supporters of Burger King."
I remember after the Oklahoma City bombing, Chris Rock had either an SNL or just a normal comedy special and he opened with some words about OKC and he said "thank god it wasn't a black man" and I thought at first it was kind of cold and insensitive to the families of the victims, but I know what he meant. With OJ just happening, Rodney King not long ago, etc. the blowback would have been worse if it had been a black man/group.
I think right now Muslims, for the most part, are probably feeling the same way.
anyway as everyone speculates on the shooters and motives without any facts yet (all I have heard so far is it's a "terror attack'), just thought I'd add that useless post.
I remember after the Oklahoma City bombing, Chris Rock had either an SNL or just a normal comedy special and he opened with some words about OKC and he said "thank god it wasn't a black man" and I thought at first it was kind of cold and insensitive to the families of the victims, but I know what he meant. With OJ just happening, Rodney King not long ago, etc. the blowback would have been worse if it had been a black man/group.
I think right now Muslims, for the most part, are probably feeling the same way.
anyway as everyone speculates on the shooters and motives without any facts yet (all I have heard so far is it's a "terror attack'), just thought I'd add that useless post.
Yet, many Muslims apparently do not feel that way, and always claim the perpetrators of these attacks are "not true Muslims."
This is said about Muslims by Muslims all the time. Only when one criticizes Islamic doctrine do they suddenly become "1.6 billion" that are being accused of being terrorists, bad, etc.
There is a pretty obvious pattern of protecting the beliefs and ring-fencing responsibility, which has let to where we are now.
BREAKING: Members of Germany's elite anti-terrorism force are on their way to the scene of the deadly shooting in Munich.
Free speech is the only solution for this, judging from history.
Some sources saying the shooter was screaming "fucking Turks"
You'll have to scroll to find it.
Also German police now calling it a "Terror Attack"
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Not sure where these reports of it not being Islamic-related are coming from, but based on eye-witness interviews on CNN (aside from the the likelihood of it not being Islamic-inspired to begin with) is about as close to "zero" without being actually
zero."
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>Shooter: "Because of you I [unintelligible]..."
Balcony Man: "You cunt you. you're a cunt"
>Shooter: "...and now I have to buy a gun to shoot you"
Balcony Man: "a gun fuck off your head isn't on right"
>Shooter and Balcony man shouting at each other
Balcony Man apparently to people filming: "He's got a gun here the guy has one"
Unseen voice: "Shit/Fucking Turks!"
Balcony Man: "Shit/Fucking Kanacken" (foreigners basically)
Balcony man to someone else : "EY! HE'S GOT A GUN! He has loaded his gun! Get the cops here!"
>Shooter: "I am German."
Balcony Man: "You're a cunt is what you are"
>Shooter: "Stop filming!"
Balcony Man: "A cunt is what you are, what the fuck are you doing?"
>Shooter: "Yeah what, I was born here!"
Balcony Man: "Yeah and what the fuck you think you're doing???"
>Shooter: "I grew up here in the Hartz 4 (unemployment benefits in Germany) area.
Balcony Man and Shooter talk at same time, can't make it out.
>Shooter says something about "Behandlung" which is "treatment" in both medical treatment or just how you treat people,not sure which one he means.
Balcony Man says something like "Yeah treatment is something for you"
>Shooter: "I haven't done anything here for [unintelligible]"
>Shooter: "Just shut your fucking face man"
Balcony Man: "You cunt you"
Balcony Man: "HEY! HE'S ON THE UPPER FLOOR HERE [unintelligible]"
Filming man goes into cover, shooter starts firing.
Balcony man calls him a cunt again.
Balcony man shouts something at him about "shooting here" and Shooter replies multiple times "Yeah, that's where you're right! Yeah you're right with that!" Yeah you're right!"
Video ends."
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Not sure where these reports of it not being Islamic-related are coming from, but based on eye-witness interviews on CNN (aside from the the likelihood of it not being Islamic-inspired to begin with) is about as close to "zero" without being actually
zero."
Try to contain your excitement.
Munich police say they have found 9th body at shooting scene; checking to see if it was an attacker.
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...or so I have heard.
What do you accomplish with saying that?
Pointing out its a stupid lie?
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...or so I have heard.
What do you accomplish with saying that?
Pointing out its a stupid lie?
My question was regarding bringing up politics, thought that was obvious.
Look at the Orlando killer. He pledged his allegiance to ISIS AND Hezzbolla. They are freaking enemies. In short, he had no freaking clue what he was talking about.
Just like the rest of us in this thread, I am pissing in the wind. If nothing else, I gained personal satisfaction from my post. That in an of itself was worth it and will have to remain my only solace.
I'm sorry if you are offended, irritated, disturbed or dismayed. The good news is, that if and when this all comes to an end, we can all get back to football. I'll personally start carving the face of the guy (or gal) that makes this stop right in the side of fucking Mt. Rushmore.
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Not sure where these reports of it not being Islamic-related are coming from, but based on eye-witness interviews on CNN (aside from the the likelihood of it not being Islamic-inspired to begin with) is about as close to "zero" without being actually
zero."
Try to contain your excitement.
Yes, I am thrilled to watch idiots like you double down on your ignorance. It's the highlight of my day.
Coming from the guy who cannot avoid responding every time I post on a thread, and is apparently so insecure, he thinks calling people names indicates his arguments have an ounce of value.
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Not sure where these reports of it not being Islamic-related are coming from, but based on eye-witness interviews on CNN (aside from the the likelihood of it not being Islamic-inspired to begin with) is about as close to "zero" without being actually
zero."
Try to contain your excitement.
Yes, I am thrilled to watch idiots like you double down on your ignorance. It's the highlight of my day.
We get it. You don't like Muslims. Give it a rest already you miserable cunt stain.
BREAKING: Ten dead in Munich shooting, including possible gunman: police
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A one trick pony and an aashole. What a way to spend a life.
Coming from the guy who cannot avoid responding every time I post on a thread, and is apparently so insecure, he thinks calling people names indicates his arguments have an ounce of value.
Calling you an ass wipe has nothing to do with being insecure.
Munich police: Shooting suspects have "Islamist background" http://cnn.it/29Zs6q7 @willripleyCNN #TheLead
6:35 PM - 22 Jul 2016
BREAKING: Munich police say they believe shooter killed himself and appears to have acted alone.
Just like the rest of us in this thread, I am pissing in the wind. If nothing else, I gained personal satisfaction from my post. That in an of itself was worth it and will have to remain my only solace.
I'm sorry if you are offended, irritated, disturbed or dismayed. The good news is, that if and when this all comes to an end, we can all get back to football. I'll personally start carving the face of the guy (or gal) that makes this stop right in the side of fucking Mt. Rushmore.
I'm not offended at all. I just hate seeing threads delete because people don't follow Erics rules about no politics. I happen to be for political discussions but he has banned them and good threads have been deleted because people just have to go down that route.
My sister is in Europe and these threads help me get news faster than pretty much every outlet. I don't want it or other threads deleted.
Looking forward to January 17.
I guess.
UPDATE: Munich police chief says three men seen fleeing scene of shooting were found to be uninvolved
BREAKING: Police chief: Suspect in Munich mall shooting that killed 9 was an 18-year-old whose motive is still 'fully unclear.'
BREAKING: Munich police say gunman was 18-year-old man with German and Iranian citizenship
Jean shorts, cargo shorts, and skinny jeans, sounds like a BBI thread.
MORE: Munich police chief says injured people in shooting included children, dead included youths
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Notice the cargo shorts and jean shorts. Just saying....
Jean shorts, cargo shorts, and skinny jeans, sounds like a BBI thread.
looks like a paintballer group
So which BBI'ers have secret lives as German Special Police members?
Looking forward to January 17.
I guess.
Ok
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Notice the cargo shorts and jean shorts. Just saying....
So which BBI'ers have secret lives as German Special Police members?
That explains all the Randy threads being deleted. Bbi's very own Stasi unit.
BREAKING: Police chief: Suspect in Munich mall shooting that killed 9 was an 18-year-old whose motive is still 'fully unclear.'
Seriously?????
BTW, the Nice terrorist was planning his attack for months with other terrorists
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Ding, ding, ding!!!
We have a winner.
We are safer than ever? From what? Drunk drivers? IRS? Just how are we safer than ever? On airplanes, yes.
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Regardless of what you heard on TV this week, we're safer than ever. Fear is great for business if you're in politics or the media.
We are safer than ever? From what? Drunk drivers? IRS? Just how are we safer than ever? On airplanes, yes.
How about this, where are we less safe than we were 8, 10 or 20 years ago? Take a few minutes, research it and stop being scared
The problem is, the 24 hour news cycle is rewiring our brains. Why anyone would watch daily is beyond me.
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Regardless of what you heard on TV this week, we're safer than ever. Fear is great for business if you're in politics or the media.
Sort of like the good old days where throwing a few virgins in the volcano made the rest of us safer.
Trying leaving your condo instead of watching Fox 24 7.
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Regardless of what you heard on TV this week, we're safer than ever. Fear is great for business if you're in politics or the media.
Sort of like the good old days where throwing a few virgins in the volcano made the rest of us safer.
Trying leaving your condo instead of watching Fox 24 7.
Great, then we don't need more gun control. Everything is fine.
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Roger Ailes was a genius cornering the market on dolts. You watch Fox?
You sound very familiar.
Very familiar, laying Fox News out there is like a gold shiner to a large mouth bass.
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Seriously, look at the data. The facts are clear.
Great, then we don't need more gun control. Everything is fine.
Does the data suggest that? I don't believe gun control is a quick fix but I don't believe the data supports your statement either.
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Seriously, look at the data. The facts are clear.
Great, then we don't need more gun control. Everything is fine.
Does the data suggest that? I don't believe gun control is a quick fix but I don't believe the data supports your statement either.
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Roger Ailes was a genius cornering the market on dolts. You watch Fox?
You sound very familiar.
Very familiar, laying Fox News out there is like a gold shiner to a large mouth bass.
I'm not a consumer of fox news, but I'm guessing you're an MSNBC devotee. And if you think that's anything other than Fox News left you're delusional
they forgot their tactical crocs and safari hats. Don't want the sun getting in your eyes.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/images/murderrate.png
On the other hand, the number of mass shootings is clearly up, although still a tiny fraction of the total. (link)
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The other thing many people hate to admit, our counterterrorism efforts have been outstanding. Massive KUDOS to the FBI, NSA, TSA, etc, etc.
America is as great as ever and we've never been safer.
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Fox News reported that Los Angeles is going to spend $1 billion on jetpacks that can fly a person up to 63 miles per hour and soar to heights of 8,000 feet.
WTF are you talking about?
I think he's referring to a report about 10 years ago? WTF?
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Fox News reported that Los Angeles is going to spend $1 billion on jetpacks that can fly a person up to 63 miles per hour and soar to heights of 8,000 feet.
WTF are you talking about?
I think he's referring to a report about 10 years ago? WTF?
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Fox News reported that Los Angeles is going to spend $1 billion on jetpacks that can fly a person up to 63 miles per hour and soar to heights of 8,000 feet.
WTF are you talking about?
I think he's referring to a report about 10 years ago? WTF?
Or hallucinating.
It must be an alternate fekker handle. He does specialize in old news stories, after all.
I agree the world is dangerous. It will always be dangerous.
I don't see any benefit in exaggerating the danger on US soil.
I agree the world is dangerous. It will always be dangerous.
I don't see any benefit in exaggerating the danger on US soil.
Chris Rock
What was that, 4 days?
It seems clear mentally ill people with guns are dangerous. Perhaps we should be screening gun owners for mental health issues instead having a religious test for those visiting America. Oh wait, the NRA would never approve of that.
+1
not to mention the Munich shooter is well you know in Munich and the NRA is mainly a USA based organization - they have some global reach, but nothing like the influence they have here, plus the Munich shooter bought his gun from the dark web (black market) and from what I read it was a prop gun that was re-made back into a real gun (which I had no idea was how they made prop guns or that they could be made back into real guns).
Like the Nice attack? You said it was just another nut and it turns out he had ties to a terror group and was planning the attack for months.
This guy could be just a nut, but his motivation was clear. Kill a bunch of people. But until they investigate, you won't know if he had other ties. Like where did he get 300 rounds of ammo in Germany that has strict gun control laws?
Pj, I was referring to what we can do to prevent attacks.
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It seems clear mentally ill people with guns are dangerous. Perhaps we should be screening gun owners for mental health issues instead having a religious test for those visiting America. Oh wait, the NRA would never approve of that.
Ya know- the idea of not letting a flood of Muslim refugees in the country isn't bigoted.
I do my best to be open minded on the subject. There are decent arguments to be made.
Firstly, refugees are not the same demographic as a 'normal' immigrant. Muslims that immigrate here from the ME, India, or SEA, are for the most part upper middle class folks that are relatively educated. The implication being that they are already more "westernized" (even if only in thought) than the general population of their country of origin.
Refugees on the other hand I imagine are a more representative sample of their country's economic demographics. (Gender and age are part of the discussion but not really important to my point). Considering the culture they are coming from and the basic differences (much, much, more than a European or Asian) with Western culture, some of which are unimaginable here, we'd be foolish to not think long and hard about the difficulties of assimilating large groups of these refugees. It isn't always about racism and religious discrimination.
And it absolutely is not the same as Muslim immigrants that we have seen over the past few decades. Looking at it through that lense ("my immigrant neighbor's are great people") is a mistake.
Ya know- the idea of not letting a flood of Muslim refugees in the country isn't bigoted.
I assumed. Which policies of religious discrimination were you referring to? There are only two of which I've heard that have cause a rukus: Limiting refugees and the fantasy "no Muslims allowed" one. I was giving you credit insomuch as I don't think you believe the latter could possibly happen.
Also- of course there would be no Muslim test.
What part of limiting or refusing refugees from a culture with vastly different values is unamerican?
Has anyone ever suggested we take an unlimited number of refugees?
The Muslim test is a huge part of a platform and is supported by many Americans. You must have a crystal ball if you say it's not happening.
I believe we have a moral obligation to help a limited number of those suffering. Especially since we played a role in creating the problem.
The entire situation is sad and similar to how Americans treated Jews in the 40s.
There are times when I feel embarrassed for America. History will not treat us kindly.
Has anyone ever suggested we take an unlimited number of refugees?
The Muslim test is a huge part of a platform and is supported by many Americans. You must have a crystal ball if you say it's not happening.
I believe we have a moral obligation to help a limited number of those suffering. Especially since we played a role in creating the problem.
The entire situation is sad and similar to how Americans treated Jews in the 40s.
There are times when I feel embarrassed for America. History will not treat us kindly.
Seems like you are the one with the crystal ball Bill.
1 person killed, several others injured in explosion at bar in Ansbach, Germany, officials say - BBC News
for all we know that could be a gas leak at this point, no one else has picked up on it from what I have seen.
no idea on the other point. seems like a disaster.
Has anyone ever suggested we take an unlimited number of refugees?
The Muslim test is a huge part of a platform and is supported by many Americans. You must have a crystal ball if you say it's not happening.
I believe we have a moral obligation to help a limited number of those suffering. Especially since we played a role in creating the problem.
The entire situation is sad and similar to how Americans treated Jews in the 40s.
There are times when I feel embarrassed for America. History will not treat us kindly.
I do actually agree with much of what you're saying. I don't have a crystal ball, but no, I don't believe there is any possibility that "no Muslims" will ever be put into action regardless of who wins the election. Although not perfect, we do still have checks and balances in the form of the legislative and judicial branches that keep the more outrageous of the campaign platforms and promises from ever actually being adopted.
Does it suck that many people support such policies out of fear and bigotry? Yep, it sure does. Is it going to get better anytime soon? Nope, not as long as there continue to be frequent terrorist attacks in the name of Islam.
As far as the refugees- I believe there is a moral obligation to help people trying to escape war and make a better life. I don't believe that means we forget about protecting our own people and our values. This is very much different from other instances in the past. You can't compare it to how Jews were treated because Jews weren't strapping bombs to themselves and taking as many Gentiles with them as they could. You can't compare it to the Jews because they weren't coming from cultures in which women were treated as second class citizens and denied such things as education (relative to their contemporaries).
I do absolutely believe that the overwhelming majority of Muslims from the ME want nothing more than to live in peace and to give their kids more than they had.
I can also recognize that these folks are less educated (not just r and r's but educated about the world and other cultures) than the same folks over here that you are so embarrassed by. Take a step back and apply the same thought process you use on your fellow Americans and apply it to poorer, less educated folks, from a less developed (rights wise) culture that's very different from our own and ask yourself just how many of them you want here.
To be clear, I am not against any refugees. I think we need to really understand what we are getting into it we ultimately decide to take tens of thousands of them.
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That's just awful. Why would anyone want to emulate Merkel's example?
for all we know that could be a gas leak at this point, no one else has picked up on it from what I have seen.
no idea on the other point. seems like a disaster.
Mayor confirmed it was a bomb, not a gas leak.
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That's just awful. Why would anyone want to emulate Merkel's example?
for all we know that could be a gas leak at this point, no one else has picked up on it from what I have seen.
no idea on the other point. seems like a disaster.
Mayor confirmed it was a bomb, not a gas leak.
I was pretty sure, but didn't want to jump to conclusions.
History will not treat us kindly sounds like some sort of prediction, but who knows with you.
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History will not treat us kindly sounds like some sort of prediction, but who knows with you.
Wasn't worth responding to Rob.
Ya know- the idea of not letting a flood of Muslim refugees in the country isn't bigoted.
You do know that ISIS has infiltrated the refugee camps and some of the Paris attackers got there with refugees? And the FBI has said they can't vet these people.
But it's all a game to you, you just post this shit to stir up trouble.
What I don't understand is why these people need to be relocated halfway across the globe as immigrants rather than staying nearby their original countries as refugees waiting to return to their county when the hostilities cease. Palestinian refugees have been waiting generations to return to their place of their origin (or their grandparents origin) without being re-settled elsewhere, what makes the Syrian refugees in a hurry to abandon their dream of a return?
Logic would dictate that Arab/Muslim refugees keep to Arab/Muslim countries where they (for the most part) share a culture and language until it is safe to return to their homes in Syria. Why relocate refugees to America where they are bound to experience the most culture shock and the most difficulty assimilating?
Rob, You are correct. My apologies. I firmly believe that will be the case.
Rob, You are correct. My apologies. I firmly believe that will be the case.
It's not about refugees. It's about you.
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We disagree on refugees. How is that stirring anything up? The fact that we played a role in screwing it up doesn't seem to bother you. BTW, how would one vet a widow with 2 young children?
Rob, You are correct. My apologies. I firmly believe that will be the case.
It's not about refugees. It's about you.
Great, I'll try harder to ignore you.
Practice at your craft makes perfect. Well good practice makes perfect. Must be hard for these bozos to practice suicide bombs.
Ya know- the idea of not letting a flood of Muslim refugees in the country isn't bigoted.
Holy cow the right wing has so twisted what Comey said months ago in front of congress. We have an intensely strong vetting system. It takes 6 months to get a refugee to get into this country. They are first vetted by UN security and then our country vets them. Congress asked him for 100% guarantee and nobody can ever give that about anyone trying to enter the country. Somehow Sean Hannity and Breitbart.com have taken that and interpreted it to mean that taking in refugees would be a free for all that we can't stop or monitor.
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Ya know- the idea of not letting a flood of Muslim refugees in the country isn't bigoted.
You do know that ISIS has infiltrated the refugee camps and some of the Paris attackers got there with refugees? And the FBI has said they can't vet these people.
But it's all a game to you, you just post this shit to stir up trouble.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/yle_head_count_roughly_three_out_of_four_asylum_seekers_are_male/8355945
Where are they from?
The most common locations that asylum seekers are leaving include Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Albania and Syria. Up to October 4, the number of refugees entering Finland from Iraq was 13,848, while 1,810 came from Somalia, 1,060 from Afghanistan, 676 from Albania and 409 from Syria.
Whats the gender split?
According to Kautto the vast majority of the asylum seekers roughly 15,000 are male. Women account for 2,816. There are close to 2,000 children traveling with adults, while unaccompanied minors number around 1,000.
That's Finland, but most are non-Syrian refugees and males.
17397/17816 = 0.977, 95% non-Syrian.
15000/17816 = 0.84, 84% male.
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We disagree on refugees. How is that stirring anything up? The fact that we played a role in screwing it up doesn't seem to bother you. BTW, how would one vet a widow with 2 young children?
Rob, You are correct. My apologies. I firmly believe that will be the case.
It's not about refugees. It's about you.
Great, I'll try harder to ignore you.
That would be a blessing.