NFT: Mets V Marlins Game Thread!

DeGrom (pitching at the top of his game) and Fernandez (never loses at home). LGM! Both teams are a half game apart too!

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unless they think that's a better value/investment than resigning Cespedes after this season (possible). His per year figures are pretty reasonable, so maybe?

Lucroy would seem more like a Sandy move with his contract situation being very similar to that of our top target last year (Gomez). Also a lot of offensive similarities to Zobrist, who was a target at 3 different times in the last 16 months. Lucroy is similarly hard to K, has a solid OBP, has defensive versatility, and has enough pop to do damage in the middle of a lineup (he actually has 1 more XBH than Zobrist thus far this year).

In comment 13042662 Ira said:

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LOL 👲🏼!!
I wonder who the Mets would rather have in the clubhouse?

In comment 13042655 ZGiants98 said:

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DeGrom (pitching at the top of his game) and Fernandez (never loses at home). LGM! Both teams are a half game apart too!

Yup yup yup,

I recommend firing up the old grillaruski and really enjoying a day of baseball at its pinnacle. A perfect late July day, a midsummer nights dream of Americas pastime. This is what it is all about. Nothing more nothing less. I will tell a young man, like you Z (and many others reading) time goes by like a lightening bolt, enjoy these moments whilst you have them. You'll be old and grey☠ before you know it (but still enjoying the game!)

If Wright has indeed discussed retiring behind closed doors in the offseason it would make a whole lot of sense. The Mets don't really have any legit 3B in the pipeline unlike just about every other position. Two, the Mets would require the Rays to eat some of the salary, say the last year of his deal (20 millionish). Three it guards against Cespedes leaving somewhat. There might not be a better backup plan if Ces bolts for an absurd deal and his contract might actually be pretty friendly all things considered.

Big question is what would it cost? The guy I trust says the Mets did in fact meet with the Rays in Colorado and Longoria came up. Rays announcers have said Mets scouts have been scouting the team. Probably a 1% chance of something happening but their might be a little smoke here.

In comment 13042679 Uncle Frank said:

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In comment 13042655 ZGiants98 said: Quote: DeGrom (pitching at the top of his game) and Fernandez (never loses at home). LGM! Both teams are a half game apart too! Yup yup yup, I recommend firing up the old grillaruski and really enjoying a day of baseball at its pinnacle. A perfect late July day, a midsummer nights dream of Americas pastime. This is what it is all about. Nothing more nothing less. I will tell a young man, like you Z (and many others reading) time goes by like a lightening bolt, enjoy these moments whilst you have them. You'll be old and grey☠ before you know it (but still enjoying the game!)

Thanks man! Will do! ;)

In comment 13042680 ZGiants98 said:

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If Wright has indeed discussed retiring behind closed doors in the offseason it would make a whole lot of sense. The Mets don't really have any legit 3B in the pipeline unlike just about every other position. Two, the Mets would require the Rays to eat some of the salary, say the last year of his deal (20 millionish). Three it guards against Cespedes leaving somewhat. There might not be a better backup plan if Ces bolts for an absurd deal and his contract might actually be pretty friendly all things considered. Big question is what would it cost? The guy I trust says the Mets did in fact meet with the Rays in Colorado and Longoria came up. Rays announcers have said Mets scouts have been scouting the team. Probably a 1% chance of something happening but their might be a little smoke here.

I think it might happen. Makes too much sense, would be the Gary "the kid" Carter move for this team.

What kinda package do you see getting it done Z?

If they eat salary too? I think it might sting a lot. One of Harvey or Wheeler? One of Dilson and Cheech? Maybe kick in a low level guy like Gimenez? Maybe kick in Asrdubal Cabrera so they have a chap affordable option for next year?

It really just depends on what the Rays want. If they are truly rebuilding they might not even want a Harvey or Wheeler. They might want all young prospects.

In comment 13042690 ZGiants98 said:

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If they eat salary too? I think it might sting a lot. One of Harvey or Wheeler? One of Dilson and Cheech? Maybe kick in a low level guy like Gimenez? Maybe kick in Asrdubal Cabrera so they have a chap affordable option for next year? It really just depends on what the Rays want. If they are truly rebuilding they might not even want a Harvey or Wheeler. They might want all young prospects.

so a Harvey Cheech and Gimenez package gets it done? Sign your 'Ole Uncle Frank up!

Reyes, Cabrera and Flores could all be in the mix at 3rd next year once Rosario arrives - who we know is an untouchable. Not saying any of those guys would stand in the way of Longoria, just that it's not a completely vacant hole right now.

If his arm isn't healthy, it's hard to imagine getting much for Wheeler via trade and if it is healthy we can't afford to give him up right now. Both for this season and the future.

If you can get Longoria for some package of Flores, Cecchini, Robles, Dom Smith, Plawecki, Nimmo, Dunn, etc. sure its' a no brainer. But if the Rays are moving their face of the franchise it's going to take more than that and unless Mike Trout is on the table I don't think i'd move Rosario or Wheeler right now.

Rosario and Dom Smith and Wheeler

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Rosario and Dom Smith and Wheeler

Nah. Rosario is untouchable. Likely Smith too. The Rays want Longorias contract off the books.

Option at third. Reyes is old as the hills. Flores, we still don't know what we have. Longoria just turned 30. He would solidify the position for many years.

In comment 13042690 ZGiants98 said:

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If they eat salary too? I think it might sting a lot. One of Harvey or Wheeler? One of Dilson and Cheech? Maybe kick in a low level guy like Gimenez? Maybe kick in Asrdubal Cabrera so they have a chap affordable option for next year? It really just depends on what the Rays want. If they are truly rebuilding they might not even want a Harvey or Wheeler. They might want all young prospects.

I think they would ask for Rosario, and Wheeler IF they were going to eat some salary as well as well as include a starter like Moore or Smyly and a reliever.

In comment 13042710 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13042690 ZGiants98 said: Quote: If they eat salary too? I think it might sting a lot. One of Harvey or Wheeler? One of Dilson and Cheech? Maybe kick in a low level guy like Gimenez? Maybe kick in Asrdubal Cabrera so they have a chap affordable option for next year? It really just depends on what the Rays want. If they are truly rebuilding they might not even want a Harvey or Wheeler. They might want all young prospects. I think they would ask for Rosario, and Wheeler IF they were going to eat some salary as well as well as include a starter like Moore or Smyly and a reliever.

At minimum. It's going to be a bidding war for Longoria and without Rosario I very much doubt we're getting him.

In comment 13042714 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 13042710 Jay on the Island said: Quote: In comment 13042690 ZGiants98 said: Quote: If they eat salary too? I think it might sting a lot. One of Harvey or Wheeler? One of Dilson and Cheech? Maybe kick in a low level guy like Gimenez? Maybe kick in Asrdubal Cabrera so they have a chap affordable option for next year? It really just depends on what the Rays want. If they are truly rebuilding they might not even want a Harvey or Wheeler. They might want all young prospects. I think they would ask for Rosario, and Wheeler IF they were going to eat some salary as well as well as include a starter like Moore or Smyly and a reliever. At minimum. It's going to be a bidding war for Longoria and without Rosario I very much doubt we're getting him.

Agreed the Rays wouldn't want Harvey due to his injury and contract situation. They will demand Rosario in any deal for Longoria.

Publicly announced Rosario is untouchable. Why would they trade away a top ten prospect in the game and their SS of the future for a potential 3B of the future who is already 30 and has 6-7 years left on his deal? Doesn't make sense. I could maybe see Wheeler though if they felt he wasn't going to help them much this year.

Given the health of our other starters and Colons age.

I'd highly doubt Smith would be either.

Also, how many teams going for it not only need a 3B but are willing to pay most of his contract for the next 6 years? There really isn't going to be a million suitors. I could see 2-3 fits, Dodgers being one.

This is barely even a rumor at best. Probably very unlikely for many of the reasons suggested.

In comment 13042727 ZGiants98 said:

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Publicly announced Rosario is untouchable. Why would they trade away a top ten prospect in the game and their SS of the future for a potential 3B of the future who is already 30 and has 6-7 years left on his deal? Doesn't make sense. I could maybe see Wheeler though if they felt he wasn't going to help them much this year.

Everybody is tradeable it just depends on the price. I understand your point though. Rosario isn't a top 10 prospect yet he is in the teens I believe but has a chance to get there once some more players get promoted.

1B- Smith
2B- Herrara
SS-Rosario
3B-Flores
RF-Conforto
CF-Lagares/Nimmo
LF-Cespedes
C- d�Arnaud

Will it generate enough offense?

TC needs to swap the 5/6 with the 7/8 hitters

winning 5 in a row , including an extra inning walkoff last night against the Dodgers.

The Mets will get the pleasure of playing them on Monday

Dreaming about Eva Longoria can be a pleasant way to spend a summer afternoon.

Evan Longoria, on the other hand, is probably never going to happen -- not with that contract. And I'm not trading Rosario, so I imagine the conversation stops there.

I'm guessing that 3B is manned internally for the next 2 years. Between Josey and Flores.....they will play it that way until they can stabilize this pitching staff and see where the all Bone Spurs and Thoracic Outlets settle.

can we get him cheaper ? Hes arbitration eligible this offseason

In comment 13042741 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13042727 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Publicly announced Rosario is untouchable. Why would they trade away a top ten prospect in the game and their SS of the future for a potential 3B of the future who is already 30 and has 6-7 years left on his deal? Doesn't make sense. I could maybe see Wheeler though if they felt he wasn't going to help them much this year. Everybody is tradeable it just depends on the price. I understand your point though. Rosario isn't a top 10 prospect yet he is in the teens I believe but has a chance to get there once some more players get promoted.

Im thinking heading into 2017 he will be. Yes, in the mid-season rankings he was in the teens. Some players will graduate between now and next year.

like Frazier. He's got great power, but he's hitting .214 and he's on pace for almost 200 k's. That's a pass considering the likely cost in prospects + money.

Right now Lucroy would be the best fit if we don't need to include Wheeler or Rosario. In the offseason resigning Cespedes needs to be the priority, then fill in around him with some solid/versatile pros like Martin Prado. Since we have Reyes to hit leadoff it might make sense to save money by dealing Granderson.

Rosario, Nimmo, Cecchini, and Smith (not to mention Conforto) are all very close and promising, that's why it doesn't make sense to do anything drastic. Adding someone like Lucroy would bridge the gap until someone like Conforto is ready to truly take the reigns on the 3 hole without blowing up our budget.

In comment 13042824 spike said:

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TC needs to swap the 5/6 with the 7/8 hitters

At least Walker is moving further away from the cleanup spot. Also, couldn't the Mets have thought the whole Conforto thing out a little better? Did they really have to call him up from Vegas only to ride the pine for a week?

In comment 13042849 ZGiants98 said:

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Im thinking heading into 2017 he will be. Yes, in the mid-season rankings he was in the teens. Some players will graduate between now and next year.

He probably will because Dansby Swanson, Ozzie Albies, JP Crawford, Trea Turner, and Giolito, are likely to be in the majors on opening day next year.

In comment 13042854 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13042849 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Im thinking heading into 2017 he will be. Yes, in the mid-season rankings he was in the teens. Some players will graduate between now and next year. He probably will because Dansby Swanson, Ozzie Albies, JP Crawford, Trea Turner, and Giolito, are likely to be in the majors on opening day next year.

That's what Im thinking. Also Smith should skyrocket as well assuming he clears 20 HR which he seems to be on pace for now. Especially from Law anyway, who has always loved him.

at the end of the year with Swanson, Albies, Sean Newcomb, Kolby Allard, Mike Soroka, Touki Toussaint, Kevin Maitan, Max Fried, Ronald Acuna, Austin Riley, Joey Wentz, Ian Anderson, and AJ Minter all being possibilities.

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at the end of the year with Swanson, Albies, Sean Newcomb, Kolby Allard, Mike Soroka, Touki Toussaint, Kevin Maitan, Max Fried, Ronald Acuna, Austin Riley, Joey Wentz, Ian Anderson, and AJ Minter all being possibilities.

Wouldn't surprise me. I'm a little jealous you guys signed Maitan. The Mets have a ton of talent in their lower levels. There's going to be very little lag before our system is top 10 again IMO. We should be middle of the pack next year(kind of where we were this year) at worst, and then back into the top 10 the following year. Sandy has truly done a remarkable job here.

like a true ace. This should be a fun game. All I ask from the Mets is to work some good atbats. Try to get Fernandez's pitch count up. Our best chance might be to stay with him and score late.

MIAMI -- New York Mets first baseman Lucas Duda hopes he is about two weeks away from beginning a rehab assignment.

Duda landed on the disabled list on May 23 with a stress fracture in his lower back. He just started swinging a bat on Saturday, but had been engaged in some baseball activity all week in Port St. Lucie.

"I think in the next couple of weeks it should be healed and I'll be ready to go on an assignment and get back here as soon as I can," Duda said Saturday at Marlins Park, where he visited his teammates. "... I'm swinging, running, throwing. And I think right now everything feels good. It's just a matter of time."

Of course, James Loney enters Saturday's game against the Miami Marlins hitting .287 with five homers and 18 RBIs in 157 at-bats since joining the Mets. So it will remain to be seen what the dynamic is at first base among the pair of lefty hitters once Duda ultimately returns.

"I think I can definitely help," Duda said. "I want to get back as soon as I can. But it's a process, and I have to respect the process."

Also among rehabbing players, manager Terry Collins indicated Zack Wheeler is likely to throw batting practice for the first time during the upcoming week as he works back from Tommy John surgery. Beginning that activity would put Wheeler about 10 days way from beginning a rehab assignment.

Ease Duda back into the lineup. We dont need another black hole while he gets adjusts to ML pitching

about the Mets O this year has been the terrible hitting with RISP. Consider ...

Loney (157 ABs) is hitting .343 with runners on base (team .236)

He is hitting .281 with RISP (team .206)

He is hitting .313 with RISP and 2 out (team .167)

In comment 13042851 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 13042824 spike said: Quote: TC needs to swap the 5/6 with the 7/8 hitters At least Walker is moving further away from the cleanup spot. Also, couldn't the Mets have thought the whole Conforto thing out a little better? Did they really have to call him up from Vegas only to ride the pine for a week?

also coincides with cespedes saying lf only

Mike Puma ✔ @NYPost_Mets
Mystery solved: Terry Collins today said Jacob deGrom's velocity dip in earlier this season was because his lat soreness had persisted.

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Hansel Robles is 5-0 with a 1.56 ERA since June 21st. #MetsFacts

since they seem to be an aggressive buyer on the trade market, so presumably it would be better to see them use their assets on a player we aren't in on.

Plus, that was a pretty poor effort on the play by Reyes.

haha. Fuck Fernandez and fuck the Marlins. Let's win this game!

in a hurry.

He won't make it to the sixth

Stanton

In comment 13042939 pjcas18 said:

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Quote: Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 3m3 minutes ago Via @EliasSports: A. Cabrera's 0-for-30 with RISP is longest active among MLB position players. Also 7 shy of Gregg Jefferies' Mets record.

And we have him all to ourselves. Awesome. Flores would have been such a worse option, right?