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rut17 : 7/23/2016 10:44 pm
Ken Rosenthal & #8207;@Ken_Rosenthal 13m13 minutes ago

Sources: #Yankees telling clubs that they are close to trading Chapman and will hold Miller.
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RE: RE: I don't like the idea of trading  
kash94 : 7/25/2016 9:16 am : link
In comment 13043779 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 13043734 Matt M. said:


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for A prospects. Even with him being a top prospect and assuming for a meteoric rise through the minors, that is, at best, 2-3 years from now. They should be able to get top prospects in AAA for their chips.



I get that, though I would point out that if he started next year at AA he could easily be up at the tail end of next year. It's not like he's in rookie ball. But I think what people miss on this is that he is immediately a significant trade chip, so that even if he doesn't have an MLB AB until 2018 he could headline a deal for another piece we need as early as this offseason.


Exactly. The flexibility is there whether:
1- Didi continues to be amazing and stays on the team for awhile. Then he'd switch positions - hopefully easy to do due to his athleticism

2- Didi regresses. Then he can take over

3- Yankees are contending somehow and this guy isn't ready. Then he's a great trade chip.

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Same applies to Mateo
RE: RE: RE: I don't like the idea of trading  
kash94 : 7/25/2016 9:16 am : link
In comment 13043825 kash94 said:
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In comment 13043779 Dunedin81 said:


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In comment 13043734 Matt M. said:


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for A prospects. Even with him being a top prospect and assuming for a meteoric rise through the minors, that is, at best, 2-3 years from now. They should be able to get top prospects in AAA for their chips.



I get that, though I would point out that if he started next year at AA he could easily be up at the tail end of next year. It's not like he's in rookie ball. But I think what people miss on this is that he is immediately a significant trade chip, so that even if he doesn't have an MLB AB until 2018 he could headline a deal for another piece we need as early as this offseason.



Exactly. The flexibility is there whether:
1- Didi continues to be amazing and stays on the team for awhile. Then he'd switch positions - hopefully easy to do due to his athleticism

2- Didi regresses. Then he can take over

3- Yankees are contending somehow and this guy isn't ready. Then he's a great trade chip.

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Same applies to Mateo


He = Torres
in the meantime, Austin continues to be white-hot  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 9:28 am : link
42 g/153 ABs now, up to .320/.417/.653 in Scranton.
RE: Stupid - already have Cito Culver  
mfsd : 7/25/2016 9:31 am : link
In comment 13043815 DCOrange said:
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SS is covered for a decade.


Hehe. + Dante Bichette as cornerstones!
RE: Per Davidoff/King, Jeimer Candelerio could be the second name...  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 9:35 am : link
In comment 13043709 Dunedin81 said:
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MLB-ready 3B. Also chatter Warren could be the throw-in. Before y'all get too excited he has been terrible this year.

As for Bird, I've been following Bird since he was drafted and his success didn't surprise anyone who read what the Yankees thought of him.


Candelario was actually born in NYC. Moved back to DR because his dad opened a training facility. Utility player upside. Might be a very solid one at that.
Sherman just tweeted Candelario is not part of the  
TheMick7 : 7/25/2016 9:57 am : link
deal & Yanks could be getting back 4 pieces- Torres,Warren & 2 others.
Yea, Sherman just  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/25/2016 10:03 am : link
posted a barage of updates, including this:

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Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 14m14 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
#Yankees plan is deal Chapman, play next 4-5 days, see if make inroads in race. If so, will go for it. If not, Miller, Beltran, etc in play


Said Epstein made it clear Schwarber was not in play, even for Miller.
Sherman - ( New Window )
Knowing that the Yankees love tall pitchers  
Kulish29 : 7/25/2016 10:13 am : link
I wonder if Bryan Hudson or Ryan Kellogg are part of the deal.
Supposedly  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 10:16 am : link
the Cubs told all teams right off the bat that Schwarber was not on the table for any deal. That included some "mystery" starter who hasn't been discussed and is cost-controlled for a "long time" that was never revealed. Seemed like a media creation to me (The Schwarber stuff).
So seems like  
kash94 : 7/25/2016 10:44 am : link
4-1 deal with Torres and Warren confirmed.

Warren will be a good get. He's been bad this year but he can provide depth in BP and switch to a starter if need-be. Yankees desparately need some guys just to eat innings
It's frustrating seeing so many fans tweet "Why do we need  
TheMick7 : 7/25/2016 10:56 am : link
Torres? He's a SS,we have lot's of those".Kid was BA's #1 Cub prospect this year.#26 in BA's Mid-Season top 50.(Mateo #19,Sanchez #37,judge #42)Yankee $$$ doesn't buy players any more (Even if Hal let Cash spend it!). In the past, Yanks couldn't make trades because the farm was bare. Stockpiling assets is the way baseball is run now. And,just because someone is a SS, doesn't mean they'll play that position should they make the show.Sherman just put out a what if article about maybe the Yankees turn around & pursue Sales, reason they'd be able to? prospects!
When  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 10:58 am : link
you are "rebuilding" or even just rebuilding your farm you shoot for the best possible prospects regardless of position. Same with the draft.
Can we now convince the fucktards in charge to sell Miller?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/25/2016 10:58 am : link
I'm starting to wish Hal & Hank would sell the team.

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Dunedin81 : 7/25/2016 11:04 am : link
Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma 2m2 minutes ago
Along with Warren and Torres, hearing Billy McKinney and one other going to the Yankees.


McKinney is a AA OF, one of their better prospects. Not a power guy, not a huge speed guy, but his contact and patience tools are highly regarded.
RE: ...  
Justlurking : 7/25/2016 11:07 am : link
In comment 13044004 Dunedin81 said:
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Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma 2m2 minutes ago
Along with Warren and Torres, hearing Billy McKinney and one other going to the Yankees.


McKinney is a AA OF, one of their better prospects. Not a power guy, not a huge speed guy, but his contact and patience tools are highly regarded.


Interesting. Hopefully he's not a dead pull short porch lefty that Cash thinks "will hit 30" homers playing at Yankee Stadium.
From the Cubs MLB prospect page,  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/25/2016 11:09 am : link
he has an ETA of 2017, and is the Cubs #5 overall prospect.

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Scouting grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 45 | Run: 50 | Arm: 45 | Field: 50 | Overall: 55

Getting Addison Russell alone in the Jeff Samardzija trade with the Athletics in July 2014 would have been a coup for the Cubs. They also got a second first-rounder in McKinney, who signed for $1.8 million as the 24th overall choice in 2013. One of the best pure hitters in the Minors, he reached Double-A at age 20 last May and performed well before fouling a ball off his right knee and sustaining a hairline fracture of his kneecap in mid-August.

Outside of a half-season struggle in high Class A before he got traded, McKinney has hit everywhere he has gone, the result of his quick left-handed swing, tremendous hand-eye coordination and mature approach. He also draws enough walks to record healthy on-base percentages, though some evaluators question how much over-the-fence power he'll develop. He has bat speed and makes hard contact easily, so he should produce plenty of doubles with 15 or more homers per season.

Most of McKinney's value comes from his bat. He's a decent athlete with average speed and fringy arm strength, which doesn't make him much of a factor on the bases or in the outfield. Though he broke into pro ball in center field and has played mostly in right since coming to the Cubs, he fits best in left.

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Warren was a valuable swingman when he worked with Rothschild  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 11:09 am : link
I'm hopeful that will straighten him out.
McKinney #7 Cubs Prospect in BA Prospect Handbook  
TheMick7 : 7/25/2016 11:13 am : link
6-1 195 L-L A's first rounder in 2013 Came to Cubs in Samardzjia trade.Good not great hitter fringe arm-LF, fringe power,average speed/runner
McKinney  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 11:19 am : link
has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
RE: McKinney  
Dunedin81 : 7/25/2016 11:21 am : link
In comment 13044048 DanMetroMan said:
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has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.


Meh. I don't know that he's a future stud or anything but I doubt the contact tool regressed by that much in a year. One of the rare hitters who might benefit from Trenton, which is not a HR park. Give him a shot.
RE: McKinney  
TheMick7 : 7/25/2016 11:23 am : link
In comment 13044048 DanMetroMan said:
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has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.


If he has David's career, we'd be lucky. Sidebar,I know David & taught at his HS. Great guy, excellent MLB player for a long time before he became a part-timer!
RE: RE: McKinney  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 11:24 am : link
In comment 13044053 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 13044048 DanMetroMan said:


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has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.



Meh. I don't know that he's a future stud or anything but I doubt the contact tool regressed by that much in a year. One of the rare hitters who might benefit from Trenton, which is not a HR park. Give him a shot.


He's a smallish kid lacking power or speed. That alone is very limiting. 165 games at AA he's hit 4 homers slugging .369 with 2 steals (6 attempts). I think saying his prospect value has gone backwards is more than fair. 165 games at AA .267/.351/.369.
This was tweeted on July 12 by a Cubs fan  
Pego61 : 7/25/2016 11:24 am : link
"Billy McKinney's first 30 games (coming off knee injury/shortened ST): .208/.322/.238, 68 wRC+. The next 49 games: .310/.404./417, 138 wRC+."
RE: Wait a minute  
Justlurking : 7/25/2016 11:26 am : link
In comment 13043615 13ODB said:
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Didi is 25 and Doesn't Matteo play short as well? I don't understand this. We need pitching


You take the best prospect/asset. This isnt complicated.
RE: RE: McKinney  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 11:28 am : link
In comment 13044060 TheMick7 said:
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has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.



If he has David's career, we'd be lucky. Sidebar,I know David & taught at his HS. Great guy, excellent MLB player for a long time before he became a part-timer!


DeJesus was a good regular for a multi-year run. It would take something pretty surprising for McKinney to be on that level. I'm admittedly never a big fan of players who are BA reliant (despised Ruben Tejada and Mets era Luis Castillo) for that reason and McKinney without power or speed is that. Yeah, he hit 10 homers in 74 games in Stockton 2 seasons ago.. but the Cal league is LOADED with hitters parks (2 of his teammates cleared 30 homers that season, 7 of his teammates cleared double digits)

"The offensively charged Cal League offers a spike in runs, hits and homers and a corresponding rise in ERAs. It's generally good news for hitters and quite the opposite for hurlers, regardless of which park they play in."- Milb
RE: This was tweeted on July 12 by a Cubs fan  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 11:31 am : link
In comment 13044063 Pego61 said:
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"Billy McKinney's first 30 games (coming off knee injury/shortened ST): .208/.322/.238, 68 wRC+. The next 49 games: .310/.404./417, 138 wRC+."


He's hitting .206/.324/.270 in July. Torres was a steal, could be an all-star, I'm not being some sort of irrational hater. Just think expectations need to be realistic for McKinney. Scouts loved him coming out of the draft as a "gamer" but his tools are what they are.
Backwards? Sure.  
Dunedin81 : 7/25/2016 11:36 am : link
But to say a guy with Top 100 chops to start the year, who is still young for the level, now has a 4th OF CEILING I think is a little much.
McKinney is still young and the hit tool is worth taking a chance on  
Heisenberg : 7/25/2016 11:37 am : link
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he's the third piece in the deal  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 11:38 am : link
If it were just Warren and McKinney, then yeah, I'd be disappointed. As the third piece, I'm very happy to see McKinney there.
RE: Backwards? Sure.  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 11:40 am : link
In comment 13044096 Dunedin81 said:
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But to say a guy with Top 100 chops to start the year, who is still young for the level, now has a 4th OF CEILING I think is a little much.


How can you really project much more than that for a guy who hasn't shown power and doesn't have speed? Even his walk rate figures to regress if he doesn't grow into more power as pitchers will eventually not be scared to throw him strikes. I don't think I'm being unfair here. First round pedigree, solid eye and works really hard are all appealing but no power, lack of speed and can't hit lefties are all major dings to me.
For those concerned  
kash94 : 7/25/2016 11:44 am : link
or confused about the whole "we're getting another SS" thing, good article below about how many prospects in the minors switch from SS to another position.

Like many have said, you take the BPA in these deals just like the NFL draft. Yankees can either
1- Use him as a replacement for Didi as regressions + injuries do occur. Just look at half the roster right now.

2- Switch him to another position

3- Use him as trade bait later
Link - ( New Window )
There  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 11:48 am : link
is never a shortage of interest in talented SS's. What's the worst case scenario? Didi, Mateo and Torres are all excellent? Too much young tradable talent?
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Danny Kanell : 7/25/2016 11:51 am : link
Any indication on when this deal finally goes down?
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 11:52 am : link
In comment 13044131 Danny Kanell said:
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Any indication on when this deal finally goes down?


Cotillo said the deal should happen later today and if it doesn't then "something is up". Which would either suggest the Yankees are still fishing around for more OR someone in the deal is dinged and they are trying to see what can be done about it.
Kind of a weird holding period  
Kyle in NY : 7/25/2016 11:57 am : link
for Chapman. I assume he traveled to Houston but this seems imminent at this point.
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Dunedin81 : 7/25/2016 11:59 am : link
Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 59s60 seconds ago
Yanks and Cubs have a deal. Torres, mckinney, Warren and likely 1 more to NYY.
So the Yanks sent out this to get chapman  
Heisenberg : 7/25/2016 12:04 pm : link
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The deal brought Cincinnati right-handed starting pitcher Rookie Davis, third baseman Eric Jagielo, second baseman Tony Renda and right-handed reliever Caleb Cotham.


and got Torres, Warren, McKinney +1 when they traded him.

Davis has been pretty decent for the Reds, but that's not bad.
that's a very good deal  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 12:04 pm : link
They basically traded Davis, Jagielo, Renda, and Cotham for Torres, Warren, McKinney, and a PTBNL. Definitely a win.
Wonder if they'd consider  
Mr Brightside : 7/25/2016 12:04 pm : link
flipping these prospects for Sale?
Seems like a package that could have waited a few days  
arniefez : 7/25/2016 12:05 pm : link
to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?
bahahahaha  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 12:06 pm : link
Poor Randall. He's lost in the sauce when there's nothing to bitch and moan about.
RE: Seems like a package that could have waited a few days  
Dunedin81 : 7/25/2016 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13044152 arniefez said:
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to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?


Because Chicago can shop the deal too, with Wade Davis and Robertson also on the market. Plus this lets them take stock of the situation with Andrew Miller before they make a call on dealing him too.
RE: Wonder if they'd consider  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13044151 Mr Brightside said:
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flipping these prospects for Sale?


Asking price on Sale is ridiculous.
RE: Seems like a package that could have waited a few days  
Stan in LA : 7/25/2016 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13044152 arniefez said:
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to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?

Because thy have other fish to fry. Be patient.
no real point in the Yankees dealing for Sale right now  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 12:10 pm : link
Pitching's not their big problem, offense is. They're getting below-average production from every spot in the lineup other than Beltran, Gregorious, and (barely) McCann.
RE: Seems like a package that could have waited a few days  
Deej : 7/25/2016 12:12 pm : link
In comment 13044152 arniefez said:
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to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?


Because Chicago could have moved on.

What precisely do you think they were doing for the past several weeks. Everyone knew Chapman was available. So there was a bidding war. And it is over now.
RE: RE: Seems like a package that could have waited a few days  
spike : 7/25/2016 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13044156 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 13044152 arniefez said:


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to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?



Because Chicago can shop the deal too, with Wade Davis and Robertson also on the market. Plus this lets them take stock of the situation with Andrew Miller before they make a call on dealing him too.


Thats true they might need time to trade the others as well before the deadline. The Nats are desperate
This is why you trade them one at a time. Cubs are all in for this yr  
Heisenberg : 7/25/2016 12:19 pm : link
Now other teams have to compete with that move. Nats are a landing spot for Miller if they want to keep up.
Too bad Theo didn't want his boy Ells  
Vin R : 7/25/2016 12:24 pm : link
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Noone  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 12:24 pm : link
in particular on BBI but people (especially on twitter) are a little crazy in regard to Sale. Okay, he had a blow up with management. Suddenly that means they are going to lower their price and dump him? They have only one incentive in dealing him and that's adding multiple franchise changing pieces. He's locked up, this isn't a Chapman situation. The Yankees got a top 10-20 prospect and some other decent pieces for .5 a season of Chapman. Imagine the value of Sale vs. Chapman given the contract situations. If the White Sox ever dealt him I think the price would be truly staggering.
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