from the Nats. Would be a nice get but in this market they might even be able to do better. Fine with holding Miller, but he is probably their most valuable trade chip. Beltran really needs to be traded while we're at it, he has a lot of value right now. They may think, and not unreasonably, that dealing Chapman doesn't really diminish their chances much and so hang onto the other pieces, but realistically they have a lot of guys with at least a little value they could move and attempt to shed salary and give the kids a shot.
At all costs are just silly. You have no idea what they are being offered. Yes, Chapman is a valuable piece as we can start a bidding war between the Cubs, Nats and Rangers.
I dont know if I will trade Miller just because this season looks bunk. We control him for two more years and should demand a fucking HAUL for the best reliever in baseball. He is literally that. And who knows where we might be two years from now when we get back all those dollars from the old farts currently on the roster.
But Beltran and Chapnuts should be getting bandied about like a virgin at a Kazakhstani market.
include as other viable trade candidates, CC, Nova, Gardner, McCann, and, of course, Beltran. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Miller does end up leaving, regardless of what is being written.
Don't half-ass this thing. Commit to the full process. That list above will command quite a bounty. The Nationals could use Gardner. Starting pitchers are at a premium. A left-handed hitting catcher with power who is making 17M is desirable. Get it done.
trading Chapman (and Beltran and Nova) would be a huge step for the organization. Getting them to actually admit that not all their pieces under contract next year are part of the solution may be a bridge too far.
If they deal Gardner, much less CC or McCann, they would actually have a shot to get under the luxury tax next year, to get a little deeper on the farm, and quite possibly to trot out a better lineup and roster in 2017. If they deal Miller and don't get a Schwarber or Gallo back, it's hard to imagine them being any better next year.
If they feel they want to realistically compete next season then keep Miller but you need to add a bat in the offseason and I want Encarnation for DH/1b. I know he will cost us but we have ZERO power with Beltran gone Big E has power.
If you don't sign a big bat then its probably best to sell Miller with his value so high.
If they feel they want to realistically compete next season then keep Miller but you need to add a bat in the offseason and I want Encarnation for DH/1b. I know he will cost us but we have ZERO power with Beltran gone Big E has power.
If you don't sign a big bat then its probably best to sell Miller with his value so high.
well isnt bird essentially a big bat we will add next season?
Unless it's Schwarber or Profar, I'd prefer other organizations'
If you think chapman is overrated then you know nothing about baseball. This guy has blown only one save in two months since he came back from suspension, he has been a dominating pitcher for this team in his short time here, I would certainly resign him next year even if he is traded this year,
Cubs wont give up Schwarber and Tex doesn't want to
that'd be a nice get. Potential to be a 3 or a solid 4, cost-controlled, just 23 years old.
Nationals are not giving up Joe Ross for a two month rental of Chapman when they already have a closer. Heyman is either smoking crack or floating a trial balloon for the GM.
It's a real short list of playoff teams that are in such desperate need that they would take their current closer and make him the setup man. Cardinals, Giants, Detroit, Texas, maybe Pittsburgh. Nats have other options than overpaying for Chapman.
If you think chapman is overrated then you know nothing about baseball. This guy has blown only one save in two months since he came back from suspension, he has been a dominating pitcher for this team in his short time here, I would certainly resign him next year even if he is traded this year,
I'd say we can file his comment under "too dumb to warrant a reply"
I still suspect there's some gamesmanship going on using the media. I doubt the Yanks have already decided outright not to only trade Chapman and not Miller, he's more valuable as he's under contract for a couple more years. IMO they're trying to amp up the bidding war
RE: Unless it's Schwarber or Profar, I'd prefer other organizations'
high-end prospects that are a little further away. At the very least, have to use the Pomeranz trade as a starting point.
Honestly, I wouldn't care if they trade anyone of value and field an all home-grown team next year. Think I'd pay more attention actually.
and that is what you are going to get: a high ceiling prospect who is 4 years away from being of any help or several lower end guys. You guys are fantasizing if you think a team is giving up a current MLB cost-controlled SP or a high-end prospect that is a year away for a two month rental.
The only event that would change that is if the counter-party is allowed to and can negotiate a contract with Chapman before agreeing to the trade.
RE: RE: Unless it's Schwarber or Profar, I'd prefer other organizations'
and that is what you are going to get: a high ceiling prospect who is 4 years away from being of any help or several lower end guys. You guys are fantasizing if you think a team is giving up a current MLB cost-controlled SP or a high-end prospect that is a year away for a two month rental.
The only event that would change that is if the counter-party is allowed to and can negotiate a contract with Chapman before agreeing to the trade.
You as well as I have no clue what teams will give up. You can guarantee me the Cubs wouldn't give up a top end prospect to lock up the 8th and 9th inning in a year that is just about their best chance in a century to win it all? Or Texas who has been to the mountain top multiple times the past 5 or 6 year only to fall just short and has never won one?
As for the wider point, Miller gets you into the ballpark (Schwarber, Gallo) because of team control, even if he probably isn't enough. They have a lot of value. If they could get Happ or Torres for Chapman I'd do it in a heartbeat. Maybe ship out Gardner too.
RE: RE: One report has the Cubs as strong contenders
Chapman for anything that is not future core, it's a sale but not a fire sale. They can just as easily keep him and play the arbitration game for a pick that could be core.
That it should be core, but when you are talking prospects its always a bit risky. Chapman would cost us a ton so you can't expect too much, if they were able to get a top 100 prospect, I would be happy. The positions this team needs is third base, we need top of the rotation pitchers, and we need outfield prospects. I am OK with DD and Castro for now, have to hope Judge and Bird are ready to step in and be core players next season. I would move Gardner in a minute, he is not going to get any better and if you don't move him now you never will.
Chapman for anything that is not future core, it's a sale but not a fire sale. They can just as easily keep him and play the arbitration game for a pick that could be core.
I agree. However, because he is a rental I don't expect a future core. We will see how desperate these teams are. I just hope the Yanks set the terms. if it's not there, then so be it.
it makes no sense to trade him for a middling prospect. He's an elite reliever that can put a team over the top. I would want a top 50 prospect that is now lower than High A.
If you think chapman is overrated then you know nothing about baseball. This guy has blown only one save in two months since he came back from suspension, he has been a dominating pitcher for this team in his short time here, I would certainly resign him next year even if he is traded this year,
lmao....so not blowing a save but making every single save opportunity an interesting ride means i know nothing. My knowledge of baseball surpasses yours by light years. I played on the college level and have friends in the MLB. Your knowledge comes directly from the tv and what ken singleton and michael kay say. If you watch chapman he isnt a pitcher. He throws a baseball hard thats where it starts and ends. Give me betances and Miller any day of the week. Chapman is expendable and yes, hes overrated
At this point I would trade chapman for a bag of Doritos
This quote is why no one takes you seriously.
Because I post so frequently on Yankees threads. I made that commwent in jest simply because I can't stand chapman as a pitcher and his value now is high and it will never be this again
is a legit prospect, wish they could have gotten something a little closer to MLB ready though (if the trade goes through). If the kid turns out to be a star though I guess I'll eat my words. I really would have liked Schwarber.
Didi is 25 and Doesn't Matteo play short as well? I don't understand this. We need pitching
If you're able to get a team's best prospect, you do it. You don't take someone lesser just because you have a current need there. And we don't know what will happen in upcoming years. Didi might regress, get injured, etc. And these shortstops can usually make the switch to second or third. Plus it doesn't hurt to have more ammo for future trades. Not to mention not all of these guys will pan out. Between Mateo and Torres, if one of them turns out to be above average while the other is a bust, you should probably be thankful. Most of these guys don't work out.
Yanks Are 10 games over .500 since May 9th which is when chapman came back, also heard the Yankees try and go for it even after trading chapman, so now with chapman gone who picthes the 7th Sherve? Good luck with that he stinks, maybe it will be Green but now the Yankee bullpen is not as good, it will be a struggle to get the ball to Betances and Miller with a lead like it was in April . Just blow this team up completely and sell off Beltran,and others.
it seems the baseline deal is Chapman for Torres, plus other pieces back to NYY.
If it were to expand, it seems Soler has been mentioned. Going back to the Cubs the names are all over the place..Beltran, Gardner, Eovaldi, Pineda have all been thrown out there on Twitter so who knows.
It's still Torres plus, with no indication what the plus is...
If they feel they want to realistically compete next season then keep Miller but you need to add a bat in the offseason and I want Encarnation for DH/1b. I know he will cost us but we have ZERO power with Beltran gone Big E has power.
If you don't sign a big bat then its probably best to sell Miller with his value so high.
well isnt bird essentially a big bat we will add next season?
Bird was a great story last year. But, there are two big problems relying on him for anything. One, last year was out of character in terms of the power he displayed. Two, he had shoulder surgery. There is no way to know how his recovery will impact his ability next year.
but yes, the impact of the shoulder surgery is unknown at this time.
Potential is one thing. He displayed decent power in the minors, but his production while up with the big club last year seemed to surprise a lot of people. I like Bird, but that shoulder worries me more than anything.
Per Davidoff/King, Jeimer Candelerio could be the second name...
for A prospects. Even with him being a top prospect and assuming for a meteoric rise through the minors, that is, at best, 2-3 years from now. They should be able to get top prospects in AAA for their chips.
for A prospects. Even with him being a top prospect and assuming for a meteoric rise through the minors, that is, at best, 2-3 years from now. They should be able to get top prospects in AAA for their chips.
I get that, though I would point out that if he started next year at AA he could easily be up at the tail end of next year. It's not like he's in rookie ball. But I think what people miss on this is that he is immediately a significant trade chip, so that even if he doesn't have an MLB AB until 2018 he could headline a deal for another piece we need as early as this offseason.
for Mateo. I know his reputation is as a generally good kid, but the recent suspension shows that there are some maturity issues. Bringing in some competition to let him know that he's not going to be just handed anything can only help with his development.
Mateo could probably shift to CF very easily. There's nothing
for A prospects. Even with him being a top prospect and assuming for a meteoric rise through the minors, that is, at best, 2-3 years from now. They should be able to get top prospects in AAA for their chips.
I get that, though I would point out that if he started next year at AA he could easily be up at the tail end of next year. It's not like he's in rookie ball. But I think what people miss on this is that he is immediately a significant trade chip, so that even if he doesn't have an MLB AB until 2018 he could headline a deal for another piece we need as early as this offseason.
Exactly. The flexibility is there whether:
1- Didi continues to be amazing and stays on the team for awhile. Then he'd switch positions - hopefully easy to do due to his athleticism
2- Didi regresses. Then he can take over
3- Yankees are contending somehow and this guy isn't ready. Then he's a great trade chip.
for A prospects. Even with him being a top prospect and assuming for a meteoric rise through the minors, that is, at best, 2-3 years from now. They should be able to get top prospects in AAA for their chips.
I get that, though I would point out that if he started next year at AA he could easily be up at the tail end of next year. It's not like he's in rookie ball. But I think what people miss on this is that he is immediately a significant trade chip, so that even if he doesn't have an MLB AB until 2018 he could headline a deal for another piece we need as early as this offseason.
Exactly. The flexibility is there whether:
1- Didi continues to be amazing and stays on the team for awhile. Then he'd switch positions - hopefully easy to do due to his athleticism
2- Didi regresses. Then he can take over
3- Yankees are contending somehow and this guy isn't ready. Then he's a great trade chip.
MLB-ready 3B. Also chatter Warren could be the throw-in. Before y'all get too excited he has been terrible this year.
As for Bird, I've been following Bird since he was drafted and his success didn't surprise anyone who read what the Yankees thought of him.
Candelario was actually born in NYC. Moved back to DR because his dad opened a training facility. Utility player upside. Might be a very solid one at that.
Sherman just tweeted Candelario is not part of the
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 14m14 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
#Yankees plan is deal Chapman, play next 4-5 days, see if make inroads in race. If so, will go for it. If not, Miller, Beltran, etc in play
Said Epstein made it clear Schwarber was not in play, even for Miller. Sherman - ( New Window )
the Cubs told all teams right off the bat that Schwarber was not on the table for any deal. That included some "mystery" starter who hasn't been discussed and is cost-controlled for a "long time" that was never revealed. Seemed like a media creation to me (The Schwarber stuff).
Warren will be a good get. He's been bad this year but he can provide depth in BP and switch to a starter if need-be. Yankees desparately need some guys just to eat innings
It's frustrating seeing so many fans tweet "Why do we need
Torres? He's a SS,we have lot's of those".Kid was BA's #1 Cub prospect this year.#26 in BA's Mid-Season top 50.(Mateo #19,Sanchez #37,judge #42)Yankee $$$ doesn't buy players any more (Even if Hal let Cash spend it!). In the past, Yanks couldn't make trades because the farm was bare. Stockpiling assets is the way baseball is run now. And,just because someone is a SS, doesn't mean they'll play that position should they make the show.Sherman just put out a what if article about maybe the Yankees turn around & pursue Sales, reason they'd be able to? prospects!
Getting Addison Russell alone in the Jeff Samardzija trade with the Athletics in July 2014 would have been a coup for the Cubs. They also got a second first-rounder in McKinney, who signed for $1.8 million as the 24th overall choice in 2013. One of the best pure hitters in the Minors, he reached Double-A at age 20 last May and performed well before fouling a ball off his right knee and sustaining a hairline fracture of his kneecap in mid-August.
Outside of a half-season struggle in high Class A before he got traded, McKinney has hit everywhere he has gone, the result of his quick left-handed swing, tremendous hand-eye coordination and mature approach. He also draws enough walks to record healthy on-base percentages, though some evaluators question how much over-the-fence power he'll develop. He has bat speed and makes hard contact easily, so he should produce plenty of doubles with 15 or more homers per season.
Most of McKinney's value comes from his bat. He's a decent athlete with average speed and fringy arm strength, which doesn't make him much of a factor on the bases or in the outfield. Though he broke into pro ball in center field and has played mostly in right since coming to the Cubs, he fits best in left.
has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
Meh. I don't know that he's a future stud or anything but I doubt the contact tool regressed by that much in a year. One of the rare hitters who might benefit from Trenton, which is not a HR park. Give him a shot.
has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
If he has David's career, we'd be lucky. Sidebar,I know David & taught at his HS. Great guy, excellent MLB player for a long time before he became a part-timer!
has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
Meh. I don't know that he's a future stud or anything but I doubt the contact tool regressed by that much in a year. One of the rare hitters who might benefit from Trenton, which is not a HR park. Give him a shot.
He's a smallish kid lacking power or speed. That alone is very limiting. 165 games at AA he's hit 4 homers slugging .369 with 2 steals (6 attempts). I think saying his prospect value has gone backwards is more than fair. 165 games at AA .267/.351/.369.
has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
If he has David's career, we'd be lucky. Sidebar,I know David & taught at his HS. Great guy, excellent MLB player for a long time before he became a part-timer!
DeJesus was a good regular for a multi-year run. It would take something pretty surprising for McKinney to be on that level. I'm admittedly never a big fan of players who are BA reliant (despised Ruben Tejada and Mets era Luis Castillo) for that reason and McKinney without power or speed is that. Yeah, he hit 10 homers in 74 games in Stockton 2 seasons ago.. but the Cal league is LOADED with hitters parks (2 of his teammates cleared 30 homers that season, 7 of his teammates cleared double digits)
"The offensively charged Cal League offers a spike in runs, hits and homers and a corresponding rise in ERAs. It's generally good news for hitters and quite the opposite for hurlers, regardless of which park they play in."- Milb
"Billy McKinney's first 30 games (coming off knee injury/shortened ST): .208/.322/.238, 68 wRC+. The next 49 games: .310/.404./417, 138 wRC+."
He's hitting .206/.324/.270 in July. Torres was a steal, could be an all-star, I'm not being some sort of irrational hater. Just think expectations need to be realistic for McKinney. Scouts loved him coming out of the draft as a "gamer" but his tools are what they are.
But to say a guy with Top 100 chops to start the year, who is still young for the level, now has a 4th OF CEILING I think is a little much.
How can you really project much more than that for a guy who hasn't shown power and doesn't have speed? Even his walk rate figures to regress if he doesn't grow into more power as pitchers will eventually not be scared to throw him strikes. I don't think I'm being unfair here. First round pedigree, solid eye and works really hard are all appealing but no power, lack of speed and can't hit lefties are all major dings to me.
or confused about the whole "we're getting another SS" thing, good article below about how many prospects in the minors switch from SS to another position.
Like many have said, you take the BPA in these deals just like the NFL draft. Yankees can either
1- Use him as a replacement for Didi as regressions + injuries do occur. Just look at half the roster right now.
is never a shortage of interest in talented SS's. What's the worst case scenario? Didi, Mateo and Torres are all excellent? Too much young tradable talent?
Any indication on when this deal finally goes down?
Cotillo said the deal should happen later today and if it doesn't then "something is up". Which would either suggest the Yankees are still fishing around for more OR someone in the deal is dinged and they are trying to see what can be done about it.
The deal brought Cincinnati right-handed starting pitcher Rookie Davis, third baseman Eric Jagielo, second baseman Tony Renda and right-handed reliever Caleb Cotham.
and got Torres, Warren, McKinney +1 when they traded him.
Davis has been pretty decent for the Reds, but that's not bad.
to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?
Because Chicago can shop the deal too, with Wade Davis and Robertson also on the market. Plus this lets them take stock of the situation with Andrew Miller before they make a call on dealing him too.
Pitching's not their big problem, offense is. They're getting below-average production from every spot in the lineup other than Beltran, Gregorious, and (barely) McCann.
RE: Seems like a package that could have waited a few days
to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?
Because Chicago could have moved on.
What precisely do you think they were doing for the past several weeks. Everyone knew Chapman was available. So there was a bidding war. And it is over now.
RE: RE: Seems like a package that could have waited a few days
to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?
Because Chicago can shop the deal too, with Wade Davis and Robertson also on the market. Plus this lets them take stock of the situation with Andrew Miller before they make a call on dealing him too.
Thats true they might need time to trade the others as well before the deadline. The Nats are desperate
This is why you trade them one at a time. Cubs are all in for this yr
in particular on BBI but people (especially on twitter) are a little crazy in regard to Sale. Okay, he had a blow up with management. Suddenly that means they are going to lower their price and dump him? They have only one incentive in dealing him and that's adding multiple franchise changing pieces. He's locked up, this isn't a Chapman situation. The Yankees got a top 10-20 prospect and some other decent pieces for .5 a season of Chapman. Imagine the value of Sale vs. Chapman given the contract situations. If the White Sox ever dealt him I think the price would be truly staggering.
If you want to get back to sustainable contention
Speaking of little IQ tests...
I dont know if I will trade Miller just because this season looks bunk. We control him for two more years and should demand a fucking HAUL for the best reliever in baseball. He is literally that. And who knows where we might be two years from now when we get back all those dollars from the old farts currently on the roster.
But Beltran and Chapnuts should be getting bandied about like a virgin at a Kazakhstani market.
Not if it means Miller.
Overrated? Ha good one.
Hahahaha. Nice analysis.
With an emphasis on anal.
Schwarber? LOL. It would have to be Schwarber +++.
Uhhhhh.... Okaaaaaay?
Protect Didi, Castro, Betances and maybe one or two others and then let the trading begin! Draft picks talk... nobody walks.
Time for a humongous overhaul. Right now, the Yanks are a legitimate .500 team with the prospects of going nowhere fast.
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If they feel they can get to the postseason. Chapman is expendable and overrated. At this point I would trade chapman for a bag of Doritos
Overrated? Ha good one.
Post season is just a delusion
Filled with sadness and confusion
What became of the Yankee Pinstripes
Now that so many have departed
Protect Didi, Castro, Betances and maybe one or two others and then let the trading begin! Draft picks talk... nobody walks.
Time for a humongous overhaul. Right now, the Yanks are a legitimate .500 team with the prospects of going nowhere fast.
I'd trade Castro. His plate discipline is terrible. If they can get a good prospect back I move him and play Ref at 2nd.
Don't half-ass this thing. Commit to the full process. That list above will command quite a bounty. The Nationals could use Gardner. Starting pitchers are at a premium. A left-handed hitting catcher with power who is making 17M is desirable. Get it done.
If they deal Gardner, much less CC or McCann, they would actually have a shot to get under the luxury tax next year, to get a little deeper on the farm, and quite possibly to trot out a better lineup and roster in 2017. If they deal Miller and don't get a Schwarber or Gallo back, it's hard to imagine them being any better next year.
This quote is why no one takes you seriously.
If you don't sign a big bat then its probably best to sell Miller with his value so high.
If you don't sign a big bat then its probably best to sell Miller with his value so high.
well isnt bird essentially a big bat we will add next season?
Honestly, I wouldn't care if they trade anyone of value and field an all home-grown team next year. Think I'd pay more attention actually.
It's a real short list of playoff teams that are in such desperate need that they would take their current closer and make him the setup man. Cardinals, Giants, Detroit, Texas, maybe Pittsburgh. Nats have other options than overpaying for Chapman.
I'd say we can file his comment under "too dumb to warrant a reply"
I still suspect there's some gamesmanship going on using the media. I doubt the Yanks have already decided outright not to only trade Chapman and not Miller, he's more valuable as he's under contract for a couple more years. IMO they're trying to amp up the bidding war
Honestly, I wouldn't care if they trade anyone of value and field an all home-grown team next year. Think I'd pay more attention actually.
The only event that would change that is if the counter-party is allowed to and can negotiate a contract with Chapman before agreeing to the trade.
and that is what you are going to get: a high ceiling prospect who is 4 years away from being of any help or several lower end guys. You guys are fantasizing if you think a team is giving up a current MLB cost-controlled SP or a high-end prospect that is a year away for a two month rental.
The only event that would change that is if the counter-party is allowed to and can negotiate a contract with Chapman before agreeing to the trade.
You as well as I have no clue what teams will give up. You can guarantee me the Cubs wouldn't give up a top end prospect to lock up the 8th and 9th inning in a year that is just about their best chance in a century to win it all? Or Texas who has been to the mountain top multiple times the past 5 or 6 year only to fall just short and has never won one?
Some background
#24 overall prospect and #8 ss prospect. Currently at Advanced A Myrtle Beach. Expected date is 2018.
I do not see how he is better than Mateo but whatever.
As for the wider point, Miller gets you into the ballpark (Schwarber, Gallo) because of team control, even if he probably isn't enough. They have a lot of value. If they could get Happ or Torres for Chapman I'd do it in a heartbeat. Maybe ship out Gardner too.
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Says Yanks line SS prospect Gleyber Torres.
Some background
#24 overall prospect and #8 ss prospect. Currently at Advanced A Myrtle Beach. Expected date is 2018.
I do not see how he is better than Mateo but whatever.
It's all about acquiring talent. He could end up being a future AS for the Yanks or, another piece of trade bait in a year or two.
I agree. However, because he is a rental I don't expect a future core. We will see how desperate these teams are. I just hope the Yanks set the terms. if it's not there, then so be it.
Lol
lmao....so not blowing a save but making every single save opportunity an interesting ride means i know nothing. My knowledge of baseball surpasses yours by light years. I played on the college level and have friends in the MLB. Your knowledge comes directly from the tv and what ken singleton and michael kay say. If you watch chapman he isnt a pitcher. He throws a baseball hard thats where it starts and ends. Give me betances and Miller any day of the week. Chapman is expendable and yes, hes overrated
Heard from multiple sources that Hal Steinbrenner still hasn't given go-ahead to Brian Cashman to trade Aroldis Chapman. So nothing imminent
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At this point I would trade chapman for a bag of Doritos
This quote is why no one takes you seriously.
Because I post so frequently on Yankees threads. I made that commwent in jest simply because I can't stand chapman as a pitcher and his value now is high and it will never be this again
I like Davis but that's not.that high a bar to surmount.
This is my dream scenario. Happ is the guy I want and if they can get him for Chapman instead of Miller, that's a great job by Cashman.
If you're able to get a team's best prospect, you do it. You don't take someone lesser just because you have a current need there. And we don't know what will happen in upcoming years. Didi might regress, get injured, etc. And these shortstops can usually make the switch to second or third. Plus it doesn't hurt to have more ammo for future trades. Not to mention not all of these guys will pan out. Between Mateo and Torres, if one of them turns out to be above average while the other is a bust, you should probably be thankful. Most of these guys don't work out.
Someone can always move to 2B or 3B (although you really want more pop from 3B than we've gotten in recent years)
Happ may end up being better than Schwarber
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Has been playing some second this year. I wish we were getting Scwarber
I would love his swing at Yankee stadium.
Happ may end up being better than Schwarber
Sell them all!!!
If it were to expand, it seems Soler has been mentioned. Going back to the Cubs the names are all over the place..Beltran, Gardner, Eovaldi, Pineda have all been thrown out there on Twitter so who knows.
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If they feel they want to realistically compete next season then keep Miller but you need to add a bat in the offseason and I want Encarnation for DH/1b. I know he will cost us but we have ZERO power with Beltran gone Big E has power.
If you don't sign a big bat then its probably best to sell Miller with his value so high.
well isnt bird essentially a big bat we will add next season?
As for Bird, I've been following Bird since he was drafted and his success didn't surprise anyone who read what the Yankees thought of him.
I get that, though I would point out that if he started next year at AA he could easily be up at the tail end of next year. It's not like he's in rookie ball. But I think what people miss on this is that he is immediately a significant trade chip, so that even if he doesn't have an MLB AB until 2018 he could headline a deal for another piece we need as early as this offseason.
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for A prospects. Even with him being a top prospect and assuming for a meteoric rise through the minors, that is, at best, 2-3 years from now. They should be able to get top prospects in AAA for their chips.
I get that, though I would point out that if he started next year at AA he could easily be up at the tail end of next year. It's not like he's in rookie ball. But I think what people miss on this is that he is immediately a significant trade chip, so that even if he doesn't have an MLB AB until 2018 he could headline a deal for another piece we need as early as this offseason.
Exactly. The flexibility is there whether:
1- Didi continues to be amazing and stays on the team for awhile. Then he'd switch positions - hopefully easy to do due to his athleticism
2- Didi regresses. Then he can take over
3- Yankees are contending somehow and this guy isn't ready. Then he's a great trade chip.
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Same applies to Mateo
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In comment 13043734 Matt M. said:
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for A prospects. Even with him being a top prospect and assuming for a meteoric rise through the minors, that is, at best, 2-3 years from now. They should be able to get top prospects in AAA for their chips.
I get that, though I would point out that if he started next year at AA he could easily be up at the tail end of next year. It's not like he's in rookie ball. But I think what people miss on this is that he is immediately a significant trade chip, so that even if he doesn't have an MLB AB until 2018 he could headline a deal for another piece we need as early as this offseason.
Exactly. The flexibility is there whether:
1- Didi continues to be amazing and stays on the team for awhile. Then he'd switch positions - hopefully easy to do due to his athleticism
2- Didi regresses. Then he can take over
3- Yankees are contending somehow and this guy isn't ready. Then he's a great trade chip.
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Same applies to Mateo
He = Torres
Hehe. + Dante Bichette as cornerstones!
As for Bird, I've been following Bird since he was drafted and his success didn't surprise anyone who read what the Yankees thought of him.
Candelario was actually born in NYC. Moved back to DR because his dad opened a training facility. Utility player upside. Might be a very solid one at that.
#Yankees plan is deal Chapman, play next 4-5 days, see if make inroads in race. If so, will go for it. If not, Miller, Beltran, etc in play
Said Epstein made it clear Schwarber was not in play, even for Miller.
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Warren will be a good get. He's been bad this year but he can provide depth in BP and switch to a starter if need-be. Yankees desparately need some guys just to eat innings
Along with Warren and Torres, hearing Billy McKinney and one other going to the Yankees.
McKinney is a AA OF, one of their better prospects. Not a power guy, not a huge speed guy, but his contact and patience tools are highly regarded.
Along with Warren and Torres, hearing Billy McKinney and one other going to the Yankees.
McKinney is a AA OF, one of their better prospects. Not a power guy, not a huge speed guy, but his contact and patience tools are highly regarded.
Interesting. Hopefully he's not a dead pull short porch lefty that Cash thinks "will hit 30" homers playing at Yankee Stadium.
Getting Addison Russell alone in the Jeff Samardzija trade with the Athletics in July 2014 would have been a coup for the Cubs. They also got a second first-rounder in McKinney, who signed for $1.8 million as the 24th overall choice in 2013. One of the best pure hitters in the Minors, he reached Double-A at age 20 last May and performed well before fouling a ball off his right knee and sustaining a hairline fracture of his kneecap in mid-August.
Outside of a half-season struggle in high Class A before he got traded, McKinney has hit everywhere he has gone, the result of his quick left-handed swing, tremendous hand-eye coordination and mature approach. He also draws enough walks to record healthy on-base percentages, though some evaluators question how much over-the-fence power he'll develop. He has bat speed and makes hard contact easily, so he should produce plenty of doubles with 15 or more homers per season.
Most of McKinney's value comes from his bat. He's a decent athlete with average speed and fringy arm strength, which doesn't make him much of a factor on the bases or in the outfield. Though he broke into pro ball in center field and has played mostly in right since coming to the Cubs, he fits best in left.
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Meh. I don't know that he's a future stud or anything but I doubt the contact tool regressed by that much in a year. One of the rare hitters who might benefit from Trenton, which is not a HR park. Give him a shot.
If he has David's career, we'd be lucky. Sidebar,I know David & taught at his HS. Great guy, excellent MLB player for a long time before he became a part-timer!
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has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
Meh. I don't know that he's a future stud or anything but I doubt the contact tool regressed by that much in a year. One of the rare hitters who might benefit from Trenton, which is not a HR park. Give him a shot.
He's a smallish kid lacking power or speed. That alone is very limiting. 165 games at AA he's hit 4 homers slugging .369 with 2 steals (6 attempts). I think saying his prospect value has gone backwards is more than fair. 165 games at AA .267/.351/.369.
You take the best prospect/asset. This isnt complicated.
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has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
If he has David's career, we'd be lucky. Sidebar,I know David & taught at his HS. Great guy, excellent MLB player for a long time before he became a part-timer!
DeJesus was a good regular for a multi-year run. It would take something pretty surprising for McKinney to be on that level. I'm admittedly never a big fan of players who are BA reliant (despised Ruben Tejada and Mets era Luis Castillo) for that reason and McKinney without power or speed is that. Yeah, he hit 10 homers in 74 games in Stockton 2 seasons ago.. but the Cal league is LOADED with hitters parks (2 of his teammates cleared 30 homers that season, 7 of his teammates cleared double digits)
"The offensively charged Cal League offers a spike in runs, hits and homers and a corresponding rise in ERAs. It's generally good news for hitters and quite the opposite for hurlers, regardless of which park they play in."- Milb
He's hitting .206/.324/.270 in July. Torres was a steal, could be an all-star, I'm not being some sort of irrational hater. Just think expectations need to be realistic for McKinney. Scouts loved him coming out of the draft as a "gamer" but his tools are what they are.
How can you really project much more than that for a guy who hasn't shown power and doesn't have speed? Even his walk rate figures to regress if he doesn't grow into more power as pitchers will eventually not be scared to throw him strikes. I don't think I'm being unfair here. First round pedigree, solid eye and works really hard are all appealing but no power, lack of speed and can't hit lefties are all major dings to me.
Like many have said, you take the BPA in these deals just like the NFL draft. Yankees can either
1- Use him as a replacement for Didi as regressions + injuries do occur. Just look at half the roster right now.
2- Switch him to another position
3- Use him as trade bait later
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Cotillo said the deal should happen later today and if it doesn't then "something is up". Which would either suggest the Yankees are still fishing around for more OR someone in the deal is dinged and they are trying to see what can be done about it.
Yanks and Cubs have a deal. Torres, mckinney, Warren and likely 1 more to NYY.
and got Torres, Warren, McKinney +1 when they traded him.
Davis has been pretty decent for the Reds, but that's not bad.
Because Chicago can shop the deal too, with Wade Davis and Robertson also on the market. Plus this lets them take stock of the situation with Andrew Miller before they make a call on dealing him too.
Asking price on Sale is ridiculous.
Because thy have other fish to fry. Be patient.
Because Chicago could have moved on.
What precisely do you think they were doing for the past several weeks. Everyone knew Chapman was available. So there was a bidding war. And it is over now.
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to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?
Because Chicago can shop the deal too, with Wade Davis and Robertson also on the market. Plus this lets them take stock of the situation with Andrew Miller before they make a call on dealing him too.
Thats true they might need time to trade the others as well before the deadline. The Nats are desperate