from the Nats. Would be a nice get but in this market they might even be able to do better. Fine with holding Miller, but he is probably their most valuable trade chip. Beltran really needs to be traded while we're at it, he has a lot of value right now. They may think, and not unreasonably, that dealing Chapman doesn't really diminish their chances much and so hang onto the other pieces, but realistically they have a lot of guys with at least a little value they could move and attempt to shed salary and give the kids a shot.
At all costs are just silly. You have no idea what they are being offered. Yes, Chapman is a valuable piece as we can start a bidding war between the Cubs, Nats and Rangers.
I dont know if I will trade Miller just because this season looks bunk. We control him for two more years and should demand a fucking HAUL for the best reliever in baseball. He is literally that. And who knows where we might be two years from now when we get back all those dollars from the old farts currently on the roster.
But Beltran and Chapnuts should be getting bandied about like a virgin at a Kazakhstani market.
include as other viable trade candidates, CC, Nova, Gardner, McCann, and, of course, Beltran. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Miller does end up leaving, regardless of what is being written.
Don't half-ass this thing. Commit to the full process. That list above will command quite a bounty. The Nationals could use Gardner. Starting pitchers are at a premium. A left-handed hitting catcher with power who is making 17M is desirable. Get it done.
trading Chapman (and Beltran and Nova) would be a huge step for the organization. Getting them to actually admit that not all their pieces under contract next year are part of the solution may be a bridge too far.
If they deal Gardner, much less CC or McCann, they would actually have a shot to get under the luxury tax next year, to get a little deeper on the farm, and quite possibly to trot out a better lineup and roster in 2017. If they deal Miller and don't get a Schwarber or Gallo back, it's hard to imagine them being any better next year.
If they feel they want to realistically compete next season then keep Miller but you need to add a bat in the offseason and I want Encarnation for DH/1b. I know he will cost us but we have ZERO power with Beltran gone Big E has power.
If you don't sign a big bat then its probably best to sell Miller with his value so high.
If they feel they want to realistically compete next season then keep Miller but you need to add a bat in the offseason and I want Encarnation for DH/1b. I know he will cost us but we have ZERO power with Beltran gone Big E has power.
If you don't sign a big bat then its probably best to sell Miller with his value so high.
well isnt bird essentially a big bat we will add next season?
Unless it's Schwarber or Profar, I'd prefer other organizations'
If you think chapman is overrated then you know nothing about baseball. This guy has blown only one save in two months since he came back from suspension, he has been a dominating pitcher for this team in his short time here, I would certainly resign him next year even if he is traded this year,
Cubs wont give up Schwarber and Tex doesn't want to
that'd be a nice get. Potential to be a 3 or a solid 4, cost-controlled, just 23 years old.
Nationals are not giving up Joe Ross for a two month rental of Chapman when they already have a closer. Heyman is either smoking crack or floating a trial balloon for the GM.
It's a real short list of playoff teams that are in such desperate need that they would take their current closer and make him the setup man. Cardinals, Giants, Detroit, Texas, maybe Pittsburgh. Nats have other options than overpaying for Chapman.
If you think chapman is overrated then you know nothing about baseball. This guy has blown only one save in two months since he came back from suspension, he has been a dominating pitcher for this team in his short time here, I would certainly resign him next year even if he is traded this year,
I'd say we can file his comment under "too dumb to warrant a reply"
I still suspect there's some gamesmanship going on using the media. I doubt the Yanks have already decided outright not to only trade Chapman and not Miller, he's more valuable as he's under contract for a couple more years. IMO they're trying to amp up the bidding war
RE: Unless it's Schwarber or Profar, I'd prefer other organizations'
high-end prospects that are a little further away. At the very least, have to use the Pomeranz trade as a starting point.
Honestly, I wouldn't care if they trade anyone of value and field an all home-grown team next year. Think I'd pay more attention actually.
and that is what you are going to get: a high ceiling prospect who is 4 years away from being of any help or several lower end guys. You guys are fantasizing if you think a team is giving up a current MLB cost-controlled SP or a high-end prospect that is a year away for a two month rental.
The only event that would change that is if the counter-party is allowed to and can negotiate a contract with Chapman before agreeing to the trade.
RE: RE: Unless it's Schwarber or Profar, I'd prefer other organizations'
and that is what you are going to get: a high ceiling prospect who is 4 years away from being of any help or several lower end guys. You guys are fantasizing if you think a team is giving up a current MLB cost-controlled SP or a high-end prospect that is a year away for a two month rental.
The only event that would change that is if the counter-party is allowed to and can negotiate a contract with Chapman before agreeing to the trade.
You as well as I have no clue what teams will give up. You can guarantee me the Cubs wouldn't give up a top end prospect to lock up the 8th and 9th inning in a year that is just about their best chance in a century to win it all? Or Texas who has been to the mountain top multiple times the past 5 or 6 year only to fall just short and has never won one?
As for the wider point, Miller gets you into the ballpark (Schwarber, Gallo) because of team control, even if he probably isn't enough. They have a lot of value. If they could get Happ or Torres for Chapman I'd do it in a heartbeat. Maybe ship out Gardner too.
RE: RE: One report has the Cubs as strong contenders
Chapman for anything that is not future core, it's a sale but not a fire sale. They can just as easily keep him and play the arbitration game for a pick that could be core.
That it should be core, but when you are talking prospects its always a bit risky. Chapman would cost us a ton so you can't expect too much, if they were able to get a top 100 prospect, I would be happy. The positions this team needs is third base, we need top of the rotation pitchers, and we need outfield prospects. I am OK with DD and Castro for now, have to hope Judge and Bird are ready to step in and be core players next season. I would move Gardner in a minute, he is not going to get any better and if you don't move him now you never will.
Chapman for anything that is not future core, it's a sale but not a fire sale. They can just as easily keep him and play the arbitration game for a pick that could be core.
I agree. However, because he is a rental I don't expect a future core. We will see how desperate these teams are. I just hope the Yanks set the terms. if it's not there, then so be it.
it makes no sense to trade him for a middling prospect. He's an elite reliever that can put a team over the top. I would want a top 50 prospect that is now lower than High A.
If you think chapman is overrated then you know nothing about baseball. This guy has blown only one save in two months since he came back from suspension, he has been a dominating pitcher for this team in his short time here, I would certainly resign him next year even if he is traded this year,
lmao....so not blowing a save but making every single save opportunity an interesting ride means i know nothing. My knowledge of baseball surpasses yours by light years. I played on the college level and have friends in the MLB. Your knowledge comes directly from the tv and what ken singleton and michael kay say. If you watch chapman he isnt a pitcher. He throws a baseball hard thats where it starts and ends. Give me betances and Miller any day of the week. Chapman is expendable and yes, hes overrated
At this point I would trade chapman for a bag of Doritos
This quote is why no one takes you seriously.
Because I post so frequently on Yankees threads. I made that commwent in jest simply because I can't stand chapman as a pitcher and his value now is high and it will never be this again
If you want to get back to sustainable contention
Speaking of little IQ tests...
I dont know if I will trade Miller just because this season looks bunk. We control him for two more years and should demand a fucking HAUL for the best reliever in baseball. He is literally that. And who knows where we might be two years from now when we get back all those dollars from the old farts currently on the roster.
But Beltran and Chapnuts should be getting bandied about like a virgin at a Kazakhstani market.
Not if it means Miller.
Overrated? Ha good one.
Hahahaha. Nice analysis.
With an emphasis on anal.
Schwarber? LOL. It would have to be Schwarber +++.
Uhhhhh.... Okaaaaaay?
Protect Didi, Castro, Betances and maybe one or two others and then let the trading begin! Draft picks talk... nobody walks.
Time for a humongous overhaul. Right now, the Yanks are a legitimate .500 team with the prospects of going nowhere fast.
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If they feel they can get to the postseason. Chapman is expendable and overrated. At this point I would trade chapman for a bag of Doritos
Overrated? Ha good one.
Post season is just a delusion
Filled with sadness and confusion
What became of the Yankee Pinstripes
Now that so many have departed
Protect Didi, Castro, Betances and maybe one or two others and then let the trading begin! Draft picks talk... nobody walks.
Time for a humongous overhaul. Right now, the Yanks are a legitimate .500 team with the prospects of going nowhere fast.
I'd trade Castro. His plate discipline is terrible. If they can get a good prospect back I move him and play Ref at 2nd.
Don't half-ass this thing. Commit to the full process. That list above will command quite a bounty. The Nationals could use Gardner. Starting pitchers are at a premium. A left-handed hitting catcher with power who is making 17M is desirable. Get it done.
If they deal Gardner, much less CC or McCann, they would actually have a shot to get under the luxury tax next year, to get a little deeper on the farm, and quite possibly to trot out a better lineup and roster in 2017. If they deal Miller and don't get a Schwarber or Gallo back, it's hard to imagine them being any better next year.
This quote is why no one takes you seriously.
If you don't sign a big bat then its probably best to sell Miller with his value so high.
If you don't sign a big bat then its probably best to sell Miller with his value so high.
well isnt bird essentially a big bat we will add next season?
Honestly, I wouldn't care if they trade anyone of value and field an all home-grown team next year. Think I'd pay more attention actually.
It's a real short list of playoff teams that are in such desperate need that they would take their current closer and make him the setup man. Cardinals, Giants, Detroit, Texas, maybe Pittsburgh. Nats have other options than overpaying for Chapman.
I'd say we can file his comment under "too dumb to warrant a reply"
I still suspect there's some gamesmanship going on using the media. I doubt the Yanks have already decided outright not to only trade Chapman and not Miller, he's more valuable as he's under contract for a couple more years. IMO they're trying to amp up the bidding war
Honestly, I wouldn't care if they trade anyone of value and field an all home-grown team next year. Think I'd pay more attention actually.
The only event that would change that is if the counter-party is allowed to and can negotiate a contract with Chapman before agreeing to the trade.
and that is what you are going to get: a high ceiling prospect who is 4 years away from being of any help or several lower end guys. You guys are fantasizing if you think a team is giving up a current MLB cost-controlled SP or a high-end prospect that is a year away for a two month rental.
The only event that would change that is if the counter-party is allowed to and can negotiate a contract with Chapman before agreeing to the trade.
You as well as I have no clue what teams will give up. You can guarantee me the Cubs wouldn't give up a top end prospect to lock up the 8th and 9th inning in a year that is just about their best chance in a century to win it all? Or Texas who has been to the mountain top multiple times the past 5 or 6 year only to fall just short and has never won one?
Some background
#24 overall prospect and #8 ss prospect. Currently at Advanced A Myrtle Beach. Expected date is 2018.
I do not see how he is better than Mateo but whatever.
As for the wider point, Miller gets you into the ballpark (Schwarber, Gallo) because of team control, even if he probably isn't enough. They have a lot of value. If they could get Happ or Torres for Chapman I'd do it in a heartbeat. Maybe ship out Gardner too.
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Says Yanks line SS prospect Gleyber Torres.
Some background
#24 overall prospect and #8 ss prospect. Currently at Advanced A Myrtle Beach. Expected date is 2018.
I do not see how he is better than Mateo but whatever.
It's all about acquiring talent. He could end up being a future AS for the Yanks or, another piece of trade bait in a year or two.
I agree. However, because he is a rental I don't expect a future core. We will see how desperate these teams are. I just hope the Yanks set the terms. if it's not there, then so be it.
Lol
lmao....so not blowing a save but making every single save opportunity an interesting ride means i know nothing. My knowledge of baseball surpasses yours by light years. I played on the college level and have friends in the MLB. Your knowledge comes directly from the tv and what ken singleton and michael kay say. If you watch chapman he isnt a pitcher. He throws a baseball hard thats where it starts and ends. Give me betances and Miller any day of the week. Chapman is expendable and yes, hes overrated
Heard from multiple sources that Hal Steinbrenner still hasn't given go-ahead to Brian Cashman to trade Aroldis Chapman. So nothing imminent
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At this point I would trade chapman for a bag of Doritos
This quote is why no one takes you seriously.
Because I post so frequently on Yankees threads. I made that commwent in jest simply because I can't stand chapman as a pitcher and his value now is high and it will never be this again
I like Davis but that's not.that high a bar to surmount.