Getting Addison Russell alone in the Jeff Samardzija trade with the Athletics in July 2014 would have been a coup for the Cubs. They also got a second first-rounder in McKinney, who signed for $1.8 million as the 24th overall choice in 2013. One of the best pure hitters in the Minors, he reached Double-A at age 20 last May and performed well before fouling a ball off his right knee and sustaining a hairline fracture of his kneecap in mid-August.
Outside of a half-season struggle in high Class A before he got traded, McKinney has hit everywhere he has gone, the result of his quick left-handed swing, tremendous hand-eye coordination and mature approach. He also draws enough walks to record healthy on-base percentages, though some evaluators question how much over-the-fence power he'll develop. He has bat speed and makes hard contact easily, so he should produce plenty of doubles with 15 or more homers per season.
Most of McKinney's value comes from his bat. He's a decent athlete with average speed and fringy arm strength, which doesn't make him much of a factor on the bases or in the outfield. Though he broke into pro ball in center field and has played mostly in right since coming to the Cubs, he fits best in left.
has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
Meh. I don't know that he's a future stud or anything but I doubt the contact tool regressed by that much in a year. One of the rare hitters who might benefit from Trenton, which is not a HR park. Give him a shot.
has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
If he has David's career, we'd be lucky. Sidebar,I know David & taught at his HS. Great guy, excellent MLB player for a long time before he became a part-timer!
has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
Meh. I don't know that he's a future stud or anything but I doubt the contact tool regressed by that much in a year. One of the rare hitters who might benefit from Trenton, which is not a HR park. Give him a shot.
He's a smallish kid lacking power or speed. That alone is very limiting. 165 games at AA he's hit 4 homers slugging .369 with 2 steals (6 attempts). I think saying his prospect value has gone backwards is more than fair. 165 games at AA .267/.351/.369.
has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
If he has David's career, we'd be lucky. Sidebar,I know David & taught at his HS. Great guy, excellent MLB player for a long time before he became a part-timer!
DeJesus was a good regular for a multi-year run. It would take something pretty surprising for McKinney to be on that level. I'm admittedly never a big fan of players who are BA reliant (despised Ruben Tejada and Mets era Luis Castillo) for that reason and McKinney without power or speed is that. Yeah, he hit 10 homers in 74 games in Stockton 2 seasons ago.. but the Cal league is LOADED with hitters parks (2 of his teammates cleared 30 homers that season, 7 of his teammates cleared double digits)
"The offensively charged Cal League offers a spike in runs, hits and homers and a corresponding rise in ERAs. It's generally good news for hitters and quite the opposite for hurlers, regardless of which park they play in."- Milb
"Billy McKinney's first 30 games (coming off knee injury/shortened ST): .208/.322/.238, 68 wRC+. The next 49 games: .310/.404./417, 138 wRC+."
He's hitting .206/.324/.270 in July. Torres was a steal, could be an all-star, I'm not being some sort of irrational hater. Just think expectations need to be realistic for McKinney. Scouts loved him coming out of the draft as a "gamer" but his tools are what they are.
But to say a guy with Top 100 chops to start the year, who is still young for the level, now has a 4th OF CEILING I think is a little much.
How can you really project much more than that for a guy who hasn't shown power and doesn't have speed? Even his walk rate figures to regress if he doesn't grow into more power as pitchers will eventually not be scared to throw him strikes. I don't think I'm being unfair here. First round pedigree, solid eye and works really hard are all appealing but no power, lack of speed and can't hit lefties are all major dings to me.
or confused about the whole "we're getting another SS" thing, good article below about how many prospects in the minors switch from SS to another position.
Like many have said, you take the BPA in these deals just like the NFL draft. Yankees can either
1- Use him as a replacement for Didi as regressions + injuries do occur. Just look at half the roster right now.
is never a shortage of interest in talented SS's. What's the worst case scenario? Didi, Mateo and Torres are all excellent? Too much young tradable talent?
Any indication on when this deal finally goes down?
Cotillo said the deal should happen later today and if it doesn't then "something is up". Which would either suggest the Yankees are still fishing around for more OR someone in the deal is dinged and they are trying to see what can be done about it.
The deal brought Cincinnati right-handed starting pitcher Rookie Davis, third baseman Eric Jagielo, second baseman Tony Renda and right-handed reliever Caleb Cotham.
and got Torres, Warren, McKinney +1 when they traded him.
Davis has been pretty decent for the Reds, but that's not bad.
to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?
Because Chicago can shop the deal too, with Wade Davis and Robertson also on the market. Plus this lets them take stock of the situation with Andrew Miller before they make a call on dealing him too.
Pitching's not their big problem, offense is. They're getting below-average production from every spot in the lineup other than Beltran, Gregorious, and (barely) McCann.
RE: Seems like a package that could have waited a few days Â
to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?
Because Chicago could have moved on.
What precisely do you think they were doing for the past several weeks. Everyone knew Chapman was available. So there was a bidding war. And it is over now.
RE: RE: Seems like a package that could have waited a few days Â
to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?
Because Chicago can shop the deal too, with Wade Davis and Robertson also on the market. Plus this lets them take stock of the situation with Andrew Miller before they make a call on dealing him too.
Thats true they might need time to trade the others as well before the deadline. The Nats are desperate
This is why you trade them one at a time. Cubs are all in for this yr Â
in particular on BBI but people (especially on twitter) are a little crazy in regard to Sale. Okay, he had a blow up with management. Suddenly that means they are going to lower their price and dump him? They have only one incentive in dealing him and that's adding multiple franchise changing pieces. He's locked up, this isn't a Chapman situation. The Yankees got a top 10-20 prospect and some other decent pieces for .5 a season of Chapman. Imagine the value of Sale vs. Chapman given the contract situations. If the White Sox ever dealt him I think the price would be truly staggering.
Along with Warren and Torres, hearing Billy McKinney and one other going to the Yankees.
McKinney is a AA OF, one of their better prospects. Not a power guy, not a huge speed guy, but his contact and patience tools are highly regarded.
Interesting. Hopefully he's not a dead pull short porch lefty that Cash thinks "will hit 30" homers playing at Yankee Stadium.
Getting Addison Russell alone in the Jeff Samardzija trade with the Athletics in July 2014 would have been a coup for the Cubs. They also got a second first-rounder in McKinney, who signed for $1.8 million as the 24th overall choice in 2013. One of the best pure hitters in the Minors, he reached Double-A at age 20 last May and performed well before fouling a ball off his right knee and sustaining a hairline fracture of his kneecap in mid-August.
Outside of a half-season struggle in high Class A before he got traded, McKinney has hit everywhere he has gone, the result of his quick left-handed swing, tremendous hand-eye coordination and mature approach. He also draws enough walks to record healthy on-base percentages, though some evaluators question how much over-the-fence power he'll develop. He has bat speed and makes hard contact easily, so he should produce plenty of doubles with 15 or more homers per season.
Most of McKinney's value comes from his bat. He's a decent athlete with average speed and fringy arm strength, which doesn't make him much of a factor on the bases or in the outfield. Though he broke into pro ball in center field and has played mostly in right since coming to the Cubs, he fits best in left.
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Meh. I don't know that he's a future stud or anything but I doubt the contact tool regressed by that much in a year. One of the rare hitters who might benefit from Trenton, which is not a HR park. Give him a shot.
If he has David's career, we'd be lucky. Sidebar,I know David & taught at his HS. Great guy, excellent MLB player for a long time before he became a part-timer!
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has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
Meh. I don't know that he's a future stud or anything but I doubt the contact tool regressed by that much in a year. One of the rare hitters who might benefit from Trenton, which is not a HR park. Give him a shot.
He's a smallish kid lacking power or speed. That alone is very limiting. 165 games at AA he's hit 4 homers slugging .369 with 2 steals (6 attempts). I think saying his prospect value has gone backwards is more than fair. 165 games at AA .267/.351/.369.
You take the best prospect/asset. This isnt complicated.
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has 4th OF upside. Has sort of regressed as a prospect. Good eye at the plate. His fielding is his bread and butter. Think poor man's David DeJesus.
If he has David's career, we'd be lucky. Sidebar,I know David & taught at his HS. Great guy, excellent MLB player for a long time before he became a part-timer!
DeJesus was a good regular for a multi-year run. It would take something pretty surprising for McKinney to be on that level. I'm admittedly never a big fan of players who are BA reliant (despised Ruben Tejada and Mets era Luis Castillo) for that reason and McKinney without power or speed is that. Yeah, he hit 10 homers in 74 games in Stockton 2 seasons ago.. but the Cal league is LOADED with hitters parks (2 of his teammates cleared 30 homers that season, 7 of his teammates cleared double digits)
"The offensively charged Cal League offers a spike in runs, hits and homers and a corresponding rise in ERAs. It's generally good news for hitters and quite the opposite for hurlers, regardless of which park they play in."- Milb
He's hitting .206/.324/.270 in July. Torres was a steal, could be an all-star, I'm not being some sort of irrational hater. Just think expectations need to be realistic for McKinney. Scouts loved him coming out of the draft as a "gamer" but his tools are what they are.
How can you really project much more than that for a guy who hasn't shown power and doesn't have speed? Even his walk rate figures to regress if he doesn't grow into more power as pitchers will eventually not be scared to throw him strikes. I don't think I'm being unfair here. First round pedigree, solid eye and works really hard are all appealing but no power, lack of speed and can't hit lefties are all major dings to me.
Like many have said, you take the BPA in these deals just like the NFL draft. Yankees can either
1- Use him as a replacement for Didi as regressions + injuries do occur. Just look at half the roster right now.
2- Switch him to another position
3- Use him as trade bait later
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Cotillo said the deal should happen later today and if it doesn't then "something is up". Which would either suggest the Yankees are still fishing around for more OR someone in the deal is dinged and they are trying to see what can be done about it.
Yanks and Cubs have a deal. Torres, mckinney, Warren and likely 1 more to NYY.
and got Torres, Warren, McKinney +1 when they traded him.
Davis has been pretty decent for the Reds, but that's not bad.
Because Chicago can shop the deal too, with Wade Davis and Robertson also on the market. Plus this lets them take stock of the situation with Andrew Miller before they make a call on dealing him too.
Asking price on Sale is ridiculous.
Because thy have other fish to fry. Be patient.
Because Chicago could have moved on.
What precisely do you think they were doing for the past several weeks. Everyone knew Chapman was available. So there was a bidding war. And it is over now.
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to create a bidding war. Why didn't they take this to the last minute?
Because Chicago can shop the deal too, with Wade Davis and Robertson also on the market. Plus this lets them take stock of the situation with Andrew Miller before they make a call on dealing him too.
Thats true they might need time to trade the others as well before the deadline. The Nats are desperate