NFT: Today's FF discussion

A lot goes together. Having a team that can win the Super Bowl gives the defense that extra fight. Having Sanchez as your QB does not instill much confidence in that team and it could put the defense in a lot of bad situations. I think they will be solid but I don't think they will be a top unit.

as a top 5 D.

I just love their subtle off-season additions, Chris Long, Pot roast, Shea McClellan

and I really like their Cyrus Jones pick to go with Ryan and Butler

McCourty at safety.

they're good at all levels of the D. Collins and Hightower are pro-bowlers along with McCourty and Butler and Sheard was a stud too.

to discuss.

Chiefs
Eagles
Giants
Minnesota
Chicago (maybe in a year though)
Detroit
Houston (really depends on Watt)

Two wildcards are Jacksonville and Oakland. They added a lot of pieces so it may take some time.

If Berry doesn't hold out.

because so much changes from year to year. But RN, I think my top five are Sea, Ari, Car, Hou and LA

the Jets x2, Bills x2, Miami x2, Cleveland, San Fran, and the Rams. That's 9 games against offenses that are either terrible, or that have major questions at QB (outside of Miami). I wouldn't put Pats as the #1 overall defense, but there situation could be the best in football which is all I want in fantasy. You might be able to get them as the 4th or 5th defense taken which could be a steal.

Surprisingly with how bad that defense was last year in yardage allowed, points allowed and one of the worst sack totals in the league.....they still ranked anywhere from 7th overall (CBSSports) to 12th overall (Yahoo) in 2015 scoring.

Majority because they were in the Top 10 in both INT and Fumble Recovery. Not to mention also has the second highest total in the league with 6 TDs from D\ST.

Now add in all the talent they added in free agency, the draft and return to health from a full season of JPP. At minimum they should still maintain being a Top 10 scoring fantasy defense but with the potential to crack the Top 5 now.

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the Jets x2, Bills x2, Miami x2, Cleveland, San Fran, and the Rams. That's 9 games against offenses that are either terrible, or that have major questions at QB (outside of Miami). I wouldn't put Pats as the #1 overall defense, but there situation could be the best in football which is all I want in fantasy. You might be able to get them as the 4th or 5th defense taken which could be a steal.

Bills aren't bad on offense with Watkins, McCoy and Williams healthy. But yeah, I had a post earlier, I have the Pats as a top 5 D.

The Jets, if they sign Fitzpatrick won't be that bad on offense either, Forte, Marshall, Decker, but with Geno Smith they'll be pretty bad I think.

but the Pats simply own that division which counts for something. The Bills are very much boom/bust week to week and the health of their 2 best offensive players will be in question all season (Watkins/McCoy).

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but the Pats simply own that division which counts for something. The Bills are very much boom/bust week to week and the health of their 2 best offensive players will be in question all season (Watkins/McCoy).

I might like Karlos Williams as much s McCoy. He looked on the verge of a breakout before his own injury.

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In comment 13043930 UConn4523 said: Quote: but the Pats simply own that division which counts for something. The Bills are very much boom/bust week to week and the health of their 2 best offensive players will be in question all season (Watkins/McCoy). I might like Karlos Williams as much s McCoy. He looked on the verge of a breakout before his own injury.

Then check out Jonathan Williams. He looks better than Karlos.

looks like Eddie Lacey did last year. fat and out of shape

I love Lacy this year as a bounceback candidate.

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looks like Eddie Lacey did last year. fat and out of shape

really? this year? with his recovery. Last year he looked good.

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In comment 13043950 leatherneck570 said: Quote: looks like Eddie Lacey did last year. fat and out of shape really? this year? with his recovery. Last year he looked good.

"Karlos Williams returned to Western New York on Tuesday and, no, Rex Ryan wasn't thrilled with Karlos Williams 2.0.

The Buffalo Bills' second-year back has put on the pounds since January. So as teammates took part in team drills, Williams worked 1 on 1 with a strength coach on the sideline.

"Obviously he's not anywhere close to where he needs to play at a high level," Ryan said. "So we've got to get some weight off him and he certainly understands that."

Ryan wouldn't say how overweight Williams is, only that "You guys can see him as well as I do. He's clearly overweight.""
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it'll be Arizona. The only thing they were lacking was a good pass rush, and they added Chandler Jones and Nkemdiche. They also get SF x2, LA x2. I like Houston also, but a little less now that Watt is iffy.

Outside of that, I'll probably wait until the 2nd to last round and grab one of KC, Minnesota, Jax, NYG.

Houston. I'm not going to bother with them unless I completely avoid defense all together and make them my last pick of the draft.

JPP had the same injury and surgery earlier on (June IIRC) and wasn't the same all year in 2014. Watt's surgery is a month later, may get PUP'd, and there's no way to know how he responds once back.

are almost always my last two picks.

In one league D is almost irrelevant. 1pt per sack, int and FR, and once the team scores 14 points, the points scored add-on becomes 0.

Unless the D scores a TD they usually aren't too relevant.

the other league is similar, but has a yardage element, so they are more influential since it includes return yards.

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are almost always my last two picks.

I always get a kick out of someone trying to outsmart the rest of the league and draft the top scoring defense in the 6th-8th rounds of the draft.

a few seasons back and its been much better. A few want them back this year, but I hate it. I'd only consider it at 1 pt per FG which makes it pointless to even add. No interest in watching a 20 point game for a kicker be a teams top scorer for the week.

I know they are part of the game, but with luck already playing a large role in fantasy, kickers is almost 100% luck with little to no strategy at all.

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In comment 13043998 pjcas18 said: Quote: are almost always my last two picks. I always get a kick out of someone trying to outsmart the rest of the league and draft the top scoring defense in the 6th-8th rounds of the draft.

One year not too long ago the Eagles had this weird knack for defensive/ST TD's and they were scoring like one a game, and it was making a difference, they went undrafted.

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a few seasons back and its been much better. A few want them back this year, but I hate it. I'd only consider it at 1 pt per FG which makes it pointless to even add. No interest in watching a 20 point game for a kicker be a teams top scorer for the week. I know they are part of the game, but with luck already playing a large role in fantasy, kickers is almost 100% luck with little to no strategy at all.

We have a guy who lobbies for that every year and I always support it and one guy says "it's not real football without a kicker" and it always makes me laugh that people feel that way. of course it's not real football.

that can be made for those that want kickers. Its a situational position in real football, and nothing more than an annoyance in fantasy football. In standard scoring 100 yards and a TD is 16 points, which is a pretty decent day for a WR or RB. A kicker with 3 FGs and 2 XPs can get anywhere from 11-17 points. That's crazy to me.

Where do you start thinking about drafting Josh Gordon?

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Where do you start thinking about drafting Josh Gordon?

4th/5th round IMO. The allure is there, but the risk is too.

He's missing at least 4 games, hasn't played in almost 2 years and has RG3 as his QB. Otherwise he'd be a top 10 WR easily.

I think the Bengals will have at least as good a defense as LA. As a bonus, they get help from a potent offense that can control the time of possession...

Interesting to see what effect college teammates RG3 and Gordon will have now re-united with the Browns. Also, since Coleman has said he looked up to both RG3 and Gordon while both were at Baylor. It will be interesting what kind of either positive or negative effects they will have on the rookie.

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are almost always my last two picks. In one league D is almost irrelevant. 1pt per sack, int and FR, and once the team scores 14 points, the points scored add-on becomes 0. Unless the D scores a TD they usually aren't too relevant. the other league is similar, but has a yardage element, so they are more influential since it includes return yards.

I agree with kicker, but Denver won me several weeks. I like to secure must of my starters before I go with backups. You start certain players every week.

With my last pick. What a goddamn steal.

D in the 13th - 15th round - somewhere in there which is earlier than I normally do.

they were good, but in standard scoring the difference between the #1 D (Denver) and the 16th D (NYG) which you can usually get off waivers or 16th/17th round was around 3 points on average per week.

I just think the value is in most cases higher elsewhere.