Also Sherman makes it sound like they're not permanently moving him to 2B, only that he'll get reps there as Mateo's teammate. Avelino and Estrada may struggle to get PT.
Would be to leave Ellsbury stranded before getting back to the Bronx
We've seen some pretty stupid things in baseball (e.g. that 1 FA a year Boras somehow gets 9 figures), but I can't imagine anyone is dumb enough to take Ellsbury off of our hands. I'd call Seattle though.
Would be to leave Ellsbury stranded before getting back to the Bronx
We've seen some pretty stupid things in baseball (e.g. that 1 FA a year Boras somehow gets 9 figures), but I can't imagine anyone is dumb enough to take Ellsbury off of our hands. I'd call Seattle though.
They no longer have an absolute moron as their GM.
5 of the top 100 prospects with 3 in the first 30. I have no doubt that Kap ( if he ever gets healthy) will make the top 100 for next year giving us 6 for 2018.
And we still might not be done.
I get that the return could be huge moving Miller.. Â
This team is not really competing for anything next year either.
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2:38 pm : link : reply
The moron triumvirate needs to get that through their thick skulls and move Miller.
But what I don't get is the idea that the team needs to get younger and stockpile talent but they would give up a dominant young player to do that. They still will need a closer to be competitive once they have young talent.
I'm not opposed to them selling Miller - they just better have the Brinks truck backed up for him.
This team is not really competing for anything next year either.
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2:38 pm : link : reply
The moron triumvirate needs to get that through their thick skulls and move Miller.
But what I don't get is the idea that the team needs to get younger and stockpile talent but they would give up a dominant young player to do that. They still will need a closer to be competitive once they have young talent.
I'm not opposed to them selling Miller - they just better have the Brinks truck backed up for him.
They would still have Betances to close. And while I like Miller a lot, I just don't trust relievers to not fall off of a cliff. And he's not old but not young either. Think he's over 30.
They'll get a haul for Miller if they want to move him, hope they do.
over the years, as we both know...Ken Phelps, anyone? But he at least swung for the fences and put his wallet where his mouth was. The kids are so much more bottom line than he was. What they seem not to recognize is the way you get fannies in the seats is by investing in the team. The 11 million George paid for the team sure paid off, because he was willing to shell out more money and bring in guys like Reggie and Catfish.
you mean like when the building was empty in the late '80s early 90s due to his complete mismanagement? His buffoonery given free reign nearly destroyed the franchise. The biggest ovation at the Stadium in that period was the night the 2 yr suspension of George was announced.
The Yankees current problem is not that they haven't spent money. It's that they have not spent it unwisely and have too much $$ tied up in players who can't perform any more.
Except, the Stadium was hardly empty in the late 80s. The were 3rd in the AL in 87, 2nd in the AL in 88 (their highest per game average of the decade) and 8th in the AL in 89 with 2.1M fans. In fact, the only years in the 80s they didn't draw over 2M were 84 and 81 (strike shortened season with an average draw of over 30K).
Of course attendance dropped from there and was actually worse in 1995 (a playoff season) than at any point in the 80s.
Don't rule out Eovaldi from the back of the bullpen mix Â
With his stuff, but problems getting through a lineup 2-3 times, the move to the pen made sense. They may like adding his heat to form another big 3.
I like this deal and would even be fine following it up with a deal including Miller or Betances.
I like sale as a pitcher, but I think dealing for him defeats the purpose of trading guys like Chapman, Miller, Beltran, etc. The entire point is get younger and aquire as much talent as possible. Why would you turn around and package much of that talent for a pitcher who is not likely to make a significant difference to the team's fortunes in the next 1-2 years?
RE: RE: Severino to the big club, role unclear... Â
Vincente Campos to AAA, which is interesting in its own right.
whoa - didnt campos throw smoke before the injury? Like high 90s? very interesting. Time to make room for some kids, lets go Cash...
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Baseball is an awesome game played in a small world. Vicente Campos will make his AAA debut tonight against Buffalo and Jesus Montero.
Bringing back Warren and promoting Severino, I think Â
With these moves and some more, there will be a handful of youngsters competing for jobs on the big club, plus a number of names trying to start the year moving to AA or AAA.
If guys like Campos and Severino and Judge et al. don't pan out, it won't be all that interesting. It will be pretty sad here for a while.
The problem is that Yankee fans need to be prepared for it not panning out immediately. Some of them are going to struggle, and if we boo them into oblivion after 100 ABs we're going to send the FO a message about whether we actually do have the patience to rebuild.
good stuff about the prospects. He spoke highly of Severino's character and work ethic, said he's doing well, but still seems like he has some command issues to work out. He's getting by on pure stuff, still needs to hit spots consistently.
If guys like Campos and Severino and Judge et al. don't pan out, it won't be all that interesting. It will be pretty sad here for a while.
The problem is that Yankee fans need to be prepared for it not panning out immediately. Some of them are going to struggle, and if we boo them into oblivion after 100 ABs we're going to send the FO a message about whether we actually do have the patience to rebuild.
Excellent point. And, even if they do pan out, we have a lot of needs. By "panning out" I mean that those types of names have to be in the Bronx for a decent amount of time next season and be reasonably good. They have to show they can handle the big leagues. They don't need to be stars now, but eventually in 2018 or 2019 they will need to be.
last week. Was hitting 95 through the 6th. Gave up a double and HR to the first two batters and then didn't give up another run. Think he walked two, but his control seemed decent for as hard as he was throwing.
I was expecting a better showing than what he gave early in the year. I think he still has a shot to be a very good pitcher in the majors. I have yet to see Campos. How much of a shot does he have to start the year in the Bronx next season?
last week. Was hitting 95 through the 6th. Gave up a double and HR to the first two batters and then didn't give up another run. Think he walked two, but his control seemed decent for as hard as he was throwing.
good to hear.
I like the deal for both clubs. Cashman did well trading for him. Â
I would think it'll hurt more paying "X" for someone significantly worse than Chapman than the really strong package the Cubs gave up. I mean barring injury Chapman is a great reliever and the Cubs can pay him through the nose if they want to keep him. The teams giving up B+ prospects for a Tyler Clippard are the ones who will regret it.
RE: RE: Yeah, I think if you are in the market for a reliever Â
I would think it'll hurt more paying "X" for someone significantly worse than Chapman than the really strong package the Cubs gave up. I mean barring injury Chapman is a great reliever and the Cubs can pay him through the nose if they want to keep him. The teams giving up B+ prospects for a Tyler Clippard are the ones who will regret it.
I think the Chapman trade probably hurt the Indians the most. I doubt the Royals trade their closer in their division. The Yanks have Miller, but his price tag just went up- and now you have to hold off the Rangers and the Nats.
I wonder whether the Indians try and jump to the front of the line by making the Yanks an offer they can't refuse on Miller today or tomorrow and try to avoid deadline issues?
RE: MLB.com puts Torres #1 on Yankees prospect list Â
Mateo and Judge 2,3 and then McKinney goes #4, ahead of sanchez Link - ( New Window )
from that link, sounds like Torres could play 2d or 3d:
"Torres seemed a half-step quicker in 2015, enhancing his chances of staying at shortstop. While his range may be just average, his instincts and strong arm allow him to make plays. If he has to change positions, he'd profile well offensively and defensively at either second or third base."
If guys like Campos and Severino and Judge et al. don't pan out, it won't be all that interesting. It will be pretty sad here for a while.
The problem is that Yankee fans need to be prepared for it not panning out immediately. Some of them are going to struggle, and if we boo them into oblivion after 100 ABs we're going to send the FO a message about whether we actually do have the patience to rebuild.
Bingo, Duned. We can't put added pressure on kids who will likely take a while to come into their own. It's funny, but Yankee fans are more spoiled nowadays than in the 70s, when the team really stunk.
And we have a long way to go before we're a championship-level club once again. Pretty hard to replace the stars we had during our championship run. You don't find guys like that too often unless you're picking at the top off the first round and/or do an amazing job in INT FA.
Remember a few weeks ago when Randal got too full of himself (what else is new) and thought his tough guy talk about how I was wrong that Cashman was making great trades was the truth.
Remember a few weeks ago when Randal got too full of himself (what else is new) and thought his tough guy talk about how I was wrong that Cashman was making great trades was the truth.
Where is Randal today?
He was complaining that Cashman didn't hold out for a better deal.
Sanchez is only 2 years older, outhitting him at a higher level at a premium position.
Callis said to ignore the top 30. He said Torres is the Yankees #1 prospect, McKinney will drop off their top 100 and will be "reranked" accordingly.
Of course McKinney will be dropped- he's a Yankee prospect.
That's not really fair. He said they don't update the rankings in-season (cited Bregman being listed as #18 as one that stands out). You look at McKinney's numbers and tell me he's top 100 but dropped because he was a Yankee. It's not like he came into the year #25, he was #88 and having a bad year. MLB.com just removes names that are ineligible and when top 100 pre-season guys are traded they automatically rank higher than others. That's their algorithm.
could be a great trade partner for the Yankees. They have quite a few nice minor league pieces and just missed out on Chapman. If I'm Cleveland I deal for Miller AND Lucroy. They can win the WS this season.
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Tried to see if anyone posted this yet, but it's hard to wade through the exited chattering.
I'm pumped though. Finally have some hope to get the young talent around the league that seemingly avoids a Bronx landing spot.
We've seen some pretty stupid things in baseball (e.g. that 1 FA a year Boras somehow gets 9 figures), but I can't imagine anyone is dumb enough to take Ellsbury off of our hands. I'd call Seattle though.
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Would be to leave Ellsbury stranded before getting back to the Bronx
We've seen some pretty stupid things in baseball (e.g. that 1 FA a year Boras somehow gets 9 figures), but I can't imagine anyone is dumb enough to take Ellsbury off of our hands. I'd call Seattle though.
They no longer have an absolute moron as their GM.
And we still might not be done.
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2:38 pm : link : reply
The moron triumvirate needs to get that through their thick skulls and move Miller.
But what I don't get is the idea that the team needs to get younger and stockpile talent but they would give up a dominant young player to do that. They still will need a closer to be competitive once they have young talent.
I'm not opposed to them selling Miller - they just better have the Brinks truck backed up for him.
whoa - didnt campos throw smoke before the injury? Like high 90s? very interesting. Time to make room for some kids, lets go Cash...
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This team is not really competing for anything next year either.
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2:38 pm : link : reply
The moron triumvirate needs to get that through their thick skulls and move Miller.
But what I don't get is the idea that the team needs to get younger and stockpile talent but they would give up a dominant young player to do that. They still will need a closer to be competitive once they have young talent.
I'm not opposed to them selling Miller - they just better have the Brinks truck backed up for him.
They would still have Betances to close. And while I like Miller a lot, I just don't trust relievers to not fall off of a cliff. And he's not old but not young either. Think he's over 30.
They'll get a haul for Miller if they want to move him, hope they do.
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over the years, as we both know...Ken Phelps, anyone? But he at least swung for the fences and put his wallet where his mouth was. The kids are so much more bottom line than he was. What they seem not to recognize is the way you get fannies in the seats is by investing in the team. The 11 million George paid for the team sure paid off, because he was willing to shell out more money and bring in guys like Reggie and Catfish.
you mean like when the building was empty in the late '80s early 90s due to his complete mismanagement? His buffoonery given free reign nearly destroyed the franchise. The biggest ovation at the Stadium in that period was the night the 2 yr suspension of George was announced.
The Yankees current problem is not that they haven't spent money. It's that they have not spent it unwisely and have too much $$ tied up in players who can't perform any more.
Of course attendance dropped from there and was actually worse in 1995 (a playoff season) than at any point in the 80s.
I like this deal and would even be fine following it up with a deal including Miller or Betances.
I like sale as a pitcher, but I think dealing for him defeats the purpose of trading guys like Chapman, Miller, Beltran, etc. The entire point is get younger and aquire as much talent as possible. Why would you turn around and package much of that talent for a pitcher who is not likely to make a significant difference to the team's fortunes in the next 1-2 years?
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Vincente Campos to AAA, which is interesting in its own right.
whoa - didnt campos throw smoke before the injury? Like high 90s? very interesting. Time to make room for some kids, lets go Cash...
Hahaha
Donnie Collins
þ@DonnieCollinsTT
Baseball is an awesome game played in a small world. Vicente Campos will make his AAA debut tonight against Buffalo and Jesus Montero.
The problem is that Yankee fans need to be prepared for it not panning out immediately. Some of them are going to struggle, and if we boo them into oblivion after 100 ABs we're going to send the FO a message about whether we actually do have the patience to rebuild.
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If guys like Campos and Severino and Judge et al. don't pan out, it won't be all that interesting. It will be pretty sad here for a while.
The problem is that Yankee fans need to be prepared for it not panning out immediately. Some of them are going to struggle, and if we boo them into oblivion after 100 ABs we're going to send the FO a message about whether we actually do have the patience to rebuild.
good to hear.
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I would think it'll hurt more paying "X" for someone significantly worse than Chapman than the really strong package the Cubs gave up. I mean barring injury Chapman is a great reliever and the Cubs can pay him through the nose if they want to keep him. The teams giving up B+ prospects for a Tyler Clippard are the ones who will regret it.
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you're not psyched with the Cubs right now.
I would think it'll hurt more paying "X" for someone significantly worse than Chapman than the really strong package the Cubs gave up. I mean barring injury Chapman is a great reliever and the Cubs can pay him through the nose if they want to keep him. The teams giving up B+ prospects for a Tyler Clippard are the ones who will regret it.
I think the Chapman trade probably hurt the Indians the most. I doubt the Royals trade their closer in their division. The Yanks have Miller, but his price tag just went up- and now you have to hold off the Rangers and the Nats.
I wonder whether the Indians try and jump to the front of the line by making the Yanks an offer they can't refuse on Miller today or tomorrow and try to avoid deadline issues?
from that link, sounds like Torres could play 2d or 3d:
"Torres seemed a half-step quicker in 2015, enhancing his chances of staying at shortstop. While his range may be just average, his instincts and strong arm allow him to make plays. If he has to change positions, he'd profile well offensively and defensively at either second or third base."
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If guys like Campos and Severino and Judge et al. don't pan out, it won't be all that interesting. It will be pretty sad here for a while.
The problem is that Yankee fans need to be prepared for it not panning out immediately. Some of them are going to struggle, and if we boo them into oblivion after 100 ABs we're going to send the FO a message about whether we actually do have the patience to rebuild.
Bingo, Duned. We can't put added pressure on kids who will likely take a while to come into their own. It's funny, but Yankee fans are more spoiled nowadays than in the 70s, when the team really stunk.
And we have a long way to go before we're a championship-level club once again. Pretty hard to replace the stars we had during our championship run. You don't find guys like that too often unless you're picking at the top off the first round and/or do an amazing job in INT FA.
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Where is Randal today?
They changed it. It was probably a mistake, they have Sanchez ranked higher in their top 100 (50 vs 75).
Where is Randal today?
He was complaining that Cashman didn't hold out for a better deal.
Callis said to ignore the top 30. He said Torres is the Yankees #1 prospect, McKinney will drop off their top 100 and will be "reranked" accordingly.
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Sanchez is only 2 years older, outhitting him at a higher level at a premium position.
Callis said to ignore the top 30. He said Torres is the Yankees #1 prospect, McKinney will drop off their top 100 and will be "reranked" accordingly.
Of course McKinney will be dropped- he's a Yankee prospect.
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Sanchez is only 2 years older, outhitting him at a higher level at a premium position.
Callis said to ignore the top 30. He said Torres is the Yankees #1 prospect, McKinney will drop off their top 100 and will be "reranked" accordingly.
Of course McKinney will be dropped- he's a Yankee prospect.
That's not really fair. He said they don't update the rankings in-season (cited Bregman being listed as #18 as one that stands out). You look at McKinney's numbers and tell me he's top 100 but dropped because he was a Yankee. It's not like he came into the year #25, he was #88 and having a bad year. MLB.com just removes names that are ineligible and when top 100 pre-season guys are traded they automatically rank higher than others. That's their algorithm.