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adamg : 7/25/2016 12:05 pm
For Torres, McKinney, Warren, and 1 more via Jon Heyman on twitter
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good deal if true.  
Victor in CT : 7/25/2016 12:07 pm : link
and they can always sign him back after the season.
What team?  
No Where Man : 7/25/2016 12:08 pm : link
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I thought Cubs  
spike : 7/25/2016 12:08 pm : link
Negotiated an extension
RE: good deal if true.  
adamg : 7/25/2016 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13044154 Victor in CT said:
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and they can always sign him back after the season.


There had been words that there may be an extension involved earlier. Not clear yet all the specifics.
Yanks  
mdthedream : 7/25/2016 12:16 pm : link
need to spend money on hitting.
RE: Yanks  
superspynyg : 7/25/2016 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13044173 mdthedream said:
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need to spend money on hitting.


If the Yanks go into a rebuild they need to add pitching prospects. Makes no sense to spend on hitting if you are in a rebuild.
Seems better than the bag of doritos  
Rob in CT/NYC : 7/25/2016 12:25 pm : link
advocated by one poster.
cubbies!  
RicFlair : 7/25/2016 12:26 pm : link
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Yankees prospects in both Reds and Cubs trade  
NYG27 : 7/25/2016 12:27 pm : link
How do these new prospects compare to those that the Yankees gave up to trade for Chapman. The Yankees sent the Reds Rookie Davis, Eric Jagielo, Tony Renda and Caleb Cotham.
much better prospects  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 12:30 pm : link
Torres is a top 50 prospect, McKinney is top 100. None of the guys the Yankees traded to the Reds were on any top prospect lists.
Rashad Crawford is the other player, supposedly...  
Dunedin81 : 7/25/2016 12:33 pm : link
though Rojas tweeted that they're getting Cease and Pierce Johnson and no McKinney. Crawford seems more plausible. He's a speed-first CF and a prospect, but he's not a premium one by any means.
Nice step in the right direction.  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2016 12:34 pm : link
Hope they drop a couple of games in Houston so the sale continues. It's sad to watch Girardi manage these games like Game 7 of the World Series so Hal can cling to his hope of selling a few extra tickets in August and September.
RE: Rashad Crawford is the other player, supposedly...  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13044194 Dunedin81 said:
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though Rojas tweeted that they're getting Cease and Pierce Johnson and no McKinney. Crawford seems more plausible. He's a speed-first CF and a prospect, but he's not a premium one by any means.


That's the exact package a fake Rosenthal account posted so Rojas may have been caught stealing fake info lol
Cub fans are comical  
13ODB : 7/25/2016 12:36 pm : link
some are saying they gave up to much for chapman lol do these people realize they have a chance to win the World Series this year.
Torres - BA's #27 prospect on the midseason top 100  
giants#1 : 7/25/2016 12:37 pm : link
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^link says Torres is #41  
giants#1 : 7/25/2016 12:37 pm : link
but I think that was his preseason ranking.
yes, the midseason BA ranking put him at 27  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 12:42 pm : link
Fangraphs on the trade:

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The Yankees are on the verge of turning a quartet of essentially non-prospects from seven months ago into one of the most valuable young assets in the prospect world in Torres, a pitcher whos had success for them in the past in Adam Warren, another legitimate major league prospect in Billy McKinney, and more. It looks like the kind of return we mightve expected for two-and-a-half reasonably priced years of Miller. Its the kind of return that forces us to once again re-evaluate our perception of a relievers trade value. The kind of return that forces a club like the Royals to think long and hard about selling what theyve got at the back-end of their bullpen, and has to make the Yankees wonder what they could get for their lefty with real trade value. Even considering the possibility of the suspension that loomed over Chapman and suppressed his trade value in the offseason, the difference between what it cost the Yankees to acquire Chapman and what theyre about to receive for him is both staggering and puzzling.
RE: Torres - BA's #27 prospect on the midseason top 100  
Jay in Toronto : 7/25/2016 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13044202 giants#1 said:
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It's 24 on the latest MLB.com rating and according to them, Chicago Cubs Prospects (#1), SS Prospects (#8)
nice recap  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/25/2016 12:42 pm : link
So basically the Yankees traded:
Rookie Davis
Eric Jagielo
Tony Renda
Caleb Cotham
Brendan Ryan

for

Gleyber Torres
Billy McKinney
Starlin Castro
One other guy (potentially)
Law  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 12:44 pm : link
had him 25-30 and that was before some of the recent promotions.
RE: Cub fans are comical  
mfsd : 7/25/2016 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13044201 13ODB said:
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some are saying they gave up to much for chapman lol do these people realize they have a chance to win the World Series this year.


In their defense, Cubs fans aren't exactly used to things working out for them.

Sounds like a solid haul for the Yanks
I'm a cubs fan who is happy as hell  
RicFlair : 7/25/2016 12:45 pm : link
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Aroldis Chapman will now be forever immortalized  
mac attack : 7/25/2016 12:46 pm : link
as the man on the mound when the Cubs' World Series curse was broken.
a lot of cashman haters on BBI but he did well here.  
Heisenberg : 7/25/2016 12:49 pm : link
This doesn't make his record spotless but he clearly played this one right.
RE: Aroldis Chapman will now be forever immortalized  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2016 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13044222 mac attack said:
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as the man on the mound when the Cubs' World Series curse was broken.


Theo Epstein may as well pick out his HOF bust if that happens. Being instrumental in the Cubs and and Red Sox WS droughts ending.

considering what FA-to-be Chapman brought back  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 12:58 pm : link
The Yankes would be insane not to keep shopping Miller, who's the better pitcher right now and under a reasonable contract for two more seasons. They might really bring back a king's ransom for him.
BIG overpay by Cubs  
Stan in LA : 7/25/2016 12:58 pm : link
But the Yanks say, "Thank you very much."
RE: considering what FA-to-be Chapman brought back  
Stan in LA : 7/25/2016 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13044240 Greg from LI said:
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The Yankes would be insane not to keep shopping Miller, who's the better pitcher right now and under a reasonable contract for two more seasons. They might really bring back a king's ransom for him.

And the Indians, Nats and Rangers with their loaded farms are pulling up the trucks...
Nice ...  
Beer Man : 7/25/2016 1:00 pm : link
When I'm not rooting for the Yanks, I am rooting for the sentimental favored Cubs. Hope this is the year they break their curse.
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RicFlair : 7/25/2016 1:00 pm : link
SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter 5m5 minutes ago

Since 2010, Aroldis Chapman has 1,513 pitches at 100 MPH or faster, more than next 18 pitchers on list COMBINED.
I would do cartwheels  
13ODB : 7/25/2016 1:03 pm : link
If we got sale
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what would be the point of blowing all their trade chips on Sale??  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 1:07 pm : link
They still can't score to save their lives. 800 year old Carlos Beltran is the only dangerous hitter in the lineup.
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 1:08 pm : link
don't think that Sherman suggested package lands Chris Sale

"If so, the Yankees might find that teams such as the Red Sox and Dodgers have more prospects. But if the Yankees are indeed getting shortstop phenom Gleyber Torres as the key to the Chapman deal from the Cubs, does offering the White Sox a package headed by Torres or Jorge Mateo, Gary Sanchez or Aaron Judge and Luis Severino or James Kaprielian at least get them in the game?"

They already reportedly turned down Gallo/Profar and another unnamed "top" prospect with the White Sox insisting on Mazara
Hard not to love  
Kyle in NY : 7/25/2016 1:09 pm : link
what the Yankees did here. As others have said, excellent asset management across the two trades.

It was a lot of fun watching Chapman. And it looks like the door is still open for a return next season. Wouldn't have to give up the draft pick either to sign him. Cubs taking a big risk.

I'm sure they want to see how the rest of the week goes, but they've got to explore every possible deal for Miller. The RP market is officially insane.
We desperately need middle of the lineup bats.  
yatqb : 7/25/2016 1:09 pm : link
If Miller can bring an AA prospect who profiles as one, great. Otherwise keep him, because he's pretty automatic.
fuck Chris Sale  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 1:11 pm : link
He'll be 30 by the time the Yankees are real contenders again, and he's apparently a head case to boot.

What the Yankees can do with these trades (assuming Beltran and Miller and others go too) is build an excellent young nucleus again, one that will contend for a long time.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 1:13 pm : link
shows how slimy some of these reporters are. Steal info from others, send it out and then get caught when it's fake. Pretty embarrassing.
The Cubs have set the market now, yat  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 1:14 pm : link
The price Miller will command will be huge. The Indians are almost as starved for a championship as the Cubs, and they have a loaded system. Think they're not going to feel compelled to bite the bullet for a relief ace as the potential final piece for a title team?
RE: fuck Chris Sale  
Danny Kanell : 7/25/2016 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13044265 Greg from LI said:
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He'll be 30 by the time the Yankees are real contenders again, and he's apparently a head case to boot.

What the Yankees can do with these trades (assuming Beltran and Miller and others go too) is build an excellent young nucleus again, one that will contend for a long time.


+1
So 30 years old  
13ODB : 7/25/2016 1:14 pm : link
Means he won't be able to pitch anymore?
Trade them all!  
spike : 7/25/2016 1:14 pm : link
Id keep Miller as your closer for fhe future
Nice trade  
Phil in LA : 7/25/2016 1:15 pm : link
that also jacks the price for Miller.
RE: Trade them all!  
spike : 7/25/2016 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13044275 spike said:
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Id keep Miller as your closer for fhe future



Unless a team unloads its truck of major prospects
RE: fuck Chris Sale  
Victor in CT : 7/25/2016 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13044265 Greg from LI said:
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He'll be 30 by the time the Yankees are real contenders again, and he's apparently a head case to boot.

What the Yankees can do with these trades (assuming Beltran and Miller and others go too) is build an excellent young nucleus again, one that will contend for a long time.


The Yankees only where 1 road and 1 home uniform. Nothing to worry about :-)
but seriously, I wouldn't trade prospects for a 30 yr old pitcher  
Victor in CT : 7/25/2016 1:16 pm : link
at this stage of the Yankees development.
RE: but seriously, I wouldn't trade prospects for a 30 yr old pitcher  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2016 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13044280 Victor in CT said:
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at this stage of the Yankees development.


Sale is 27. 28 next season.
Trade Miller  
Kyle in NY : 7/25/2016 1:20 pm : link
it could be a franchise shaping move for years to come. Then sign Chapman this offseason to pair with Betances
RE: So 30 years old  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13044274 13ODB said:
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Means he won't be able to pitch anymore?


Certainly makes the risk of that happening increase for one thing. For another, what's the point of accumulating assets just to send the best of them away for a guy who isn't going to turn this franchise around by himself?
RE: RE: but seriously, I wouldn't trade prospects for a 30 yr old pitcher  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2016 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13044284 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13044280 Victor in CT said:


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at this stage of the Yankees development.



Sale is 27. 28 next season.


But the Yankees probably won't be ready to do much more than hope for a wild card for 2-3 more years.
any thoughts on where Torres will play?  
giants#1 : 7/25/2016 1:26 pm : link
Tampa already has a logjam at SS with Mateo, Avelino, and Estrada already splitting time between 2B/SS and Trenton has Wade and Culver. Granted only Mateo is on Torres' level as a prospect, but the others (aside from Culver) still have some potential.
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