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NFT: Three kinds of terrorists--pretty insightful analysis..

manh george : 7/25/2016 1:50 pm
Look, Ralph Peters with Fox News/ NY Post is usually too political --and too much of a jerk for me, or this board--but he does a very good job in an op-ed today of dividing out the types of terrorist mass murderers into three categories:

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First, we have terrorism as self-assertion, the classic political, nationalist or racist killer who seeks tangible change in a society. He may be willing to die, but he doesn’t seek death. ... He wants to shock the world and change it, not escape it.

Second, we have terrorism as self-validation. This terrorist becomes a suicide bomber — the latest killed 80 people and wounded over 200 in Kabul on Saturday — or undertakes another mission that can only end in his death.

These are individuals who could never find their path until they found their way to fanatical faith...

Repeatedly, we mock Islamist terrorists as being “not really religious” because they haven’t devoted their lives to arcane details of scripture. We’ve lost our sense of the soul’s desperation and the ecstasy of union with the divine, of God’s wonder, real or imagined. Religious knowledge has never been as important as religious feeling.

For Islamist fanatics, the act of terror is not only empowering — at the end of a powerless life — but blessed. Until we grasp that, we’ll keep being surprised.

The third, emerging type of terrorist is deeply alarming — because he’s the hardest by far to spot in advance. Had we the common sense and commitment, we could identify far more political or religious terrorists — they leave clues all around, if only we’re willing to see them. Indeed, we have stopped many of their plots through the years.

But the true loner not motivated by politics or bigotry or corrupted faith, the killer without fingerprints, is the hardest to spot in advance. And there are many millions of young people who fit the mold of the troubled soul in the shadows.


Another problem in the third category, which he alludes to slightly, is the tendency of types one and two, if they become more frequent, to generate mass amounts of copycats in the third category. I fear that this may be the phase we are currently in. Even in the third category, this is different in import and impact from the kinds of murders we dealt with in the US over the past 40 years, and which have come down by half-plus since 1980 and 1993-4.
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simgiant : 7/25/2016 2:08 pm : link
I think you are right as seen by the attack in nice. While claimed by daesh it seems the terrorist was just looking for an excuse to justify his act. He was only interested in radical islam the very last few month of his life.
On top of that  
OC2.0 : 7/25/2016 7:30 pm : link
How bout door #4. There is no guarding against insanity.
That all these gun control idiots don't seem to grasp.
I think insanity covers # 3  
AP in Halfmoon : 7/25/2016 8:11 pm : link
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RE: I think insanity covers # 3  
JayBinQueens : 7/25/2016 10:16 pm : link
In comment 13044903 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Then I think you're oversimplifying what's going on
RE: I think insanity covers # 3  
Ned In Atlanta : 7/25/2016 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13044903 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Lease surprising response of the day
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Ned In Atlanta : 7/25/2016 10:22 pm : link
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Huh?  
AP in Halfmoon : 7/25/2016 10:40 pm : link
I said lone Wolf killers who are insane would likely fall in group 3. WTF is wrong with that?
aren't some of the suicide bombers  
madgiantscow009 : 7/25/2016 10:48 pm : link
poor and their families are getting paid?
Yet  
Mike in Marin : 7/25/2016 11:17 pm : link
it is only the rational, religious ones whose beliefs are protected inside and outside a certain religion, that are the greatest threat, mainly because of the protection and the justification provided by the doctrine.

Add on the rewards promised in the afterlife, such that a "bad" M****m can atone for all his sins by sacrificing him/herself for the divine and there are plenty of reasons for the insane ones to do it, as well.

But don't mind me, I'm just over hear trying to convince myself that "Kill the Jews and Unbelievers" means the same as The Golden Rule.
RE: Huh?  
JayBinQueens : 7/25/2016 11:24 pm : link
In comment 13045005 AP in Halfmoon said:
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I said lone Wolf killers who are insane would likely fall in group 3. WTF is wrong with that?


You said "I think insanity covers #3"

Lone wolf killers who are insane would most likely fall into group 3, that is true, but there are many more in that group who aren't insane. To lump them all together under that label would be wrong

See the post above mine  
AP in Halfmoon : 7/25/2016 11:25 pm : link
And apply context.
Mike  
AP in Halfmoon : 7/25/2016 11:27 pm : link
You really are the worst.
RE: Mike  
Mike in Marin : 7/25/2016 11:39 pm : link
In comment 13045032 AP in Halfmoon said:
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You really are the worst.


I know. Free speech and the truth is so frustrating for you.
RE: See the post above mine  
JayBinQueens : 7/25/2016 11:43 pm : link
In comment 13045030 AP in Halfmoon said:
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And apply context.

My bad
RE: Yet  
David in LA : 7/25/2016 11:46 pm : link
In comment 13045027 Mike in Marin said:
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it is only the rational, religious ones whose beliefs are protected inside and outside a certain religion, that are the greatest threat, mainly because of the protection and the justification provided by the doctrine.

Add on the rewards promised in the afterlife, such that a "bad" M****m can atone for all his sins by sacrificing him/herself for the divine and there are plenty of reasons for the insane ones to do it, as well.

But don't mind me, I'm just over hear trying to convince myself that "Kill the Jews and Unbelievers" means the same as The Golden Rule.


It's kind of weird that you disappear on these threads when Bill2 chimes in and asks you questions about your stance and general boorish posting style. Why haven't you addressed any of them?
and it's even weirder  
David in LA : 7/25/2016 11:47 pm : link
that you post exclusively on these threads.
RE: and it's even weirder  
Mike in Marin : 7/26/2016 12:09 am : link
In comment 13045050 David in LA said:
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that you post exclusively on these threads.


It's pointless to argue with people whose questions I answer in good faith and then get attacked because they don't like my answer. Bill2 is way out of my league, and a genius, even if he refuses to see what is so obviously true. He has stated that he finds arguing about this (or my responses) boring. I am fine with that.

And I do post on other threads, usually music and guitar-related stuff, but not too often.

The truth is I find the Islamic terrorism and the beliefs causing it, to be a lot more interesting and worth my time, than a lot of other things. And there are plenty of other websites to debate this on, where I don't have to get attacked by a handful of delusionistas like AP.

Still, I have a hard time letting go when I read his and a few others' horrid obfuscation and liberal, brainwashed platitudes about Islam and it's beliefs.

Not sure about the article...  
Modus Operandi : 7/26/2016 12:20 am : link
I'm not sure what purpose it serves to categorize terrorists. Ok. Fine. Let's assume there are three types. Now what?

I've said this before in opposition to some who wish make certain types of classifications. It's not just an Arab thing. It's not just a Sunni thing. It's a culture thing.

A culture whose foundation is built upon a set of beliefs in which some lives are worth less than others and that violence is an acceptable remedy to slights and offenses isn't a culture that can coexist in the modern world.
RE: Not sure about the article...  
Mike in Marin : 7/26/2016 12:23 am : link
In comment 13045055 Modus Operandi said:
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I'm not sure what purpose it serves to categorize terrorists. Ok. Fine. Let's assume there are three types. Now what?

I've said this before in opposition to some who wish make certain types of classifications. It's not just an Arab thing. It's not just a Sunni thing. It's a culture thing.

A culture whose foundation is built upon a set of beliefs in which some lives are worth less than others and that violence is an acceptable remedy to slights and offenses isn't a culture that can coexist in the modern world.


Great post. And let's remember that the religious dogma came out of the culture, unless one believes it actually came from Allah via Gabriele via Mohammed. And if one believes the latter, one would be crazy not to convert to Islam (considering the consequences of not converting once one died).
RE: Not sure about the article...  
mdc1 : 7/26/2016 8:20 am : link
In comment 13045055 Modus Operandi said:
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I'm not sure what purpose it serves to categorize terrorists. Ok. Fine. Let's assume there are three types. Now what?

I've said this before in opposition to some who wish make certain types of classifications. It's not just an Arab thing. It's not just a Sunni thing. It's a culture thing.

A culture whose foundation is built upon a set of beliefs in which some lives are worth less than others and that violence is an acceptable remedy to slights and offenses isn't a culture that can coexist in the modern world.


Unless you can categorize, stereotype, or marginalize it is not possible for someone with an agenda to exploit or target a situation/crisis etc. Pretty simple in my view. The true agenda is the mystery, is it the rich in history Muslim view of domination, is it a group (ISIS/ISIL) that really desires to build a militant islamic super state with their brand of theocracy, is it a cabal of existing super powers aiding and encouraging them as a tool for their agendas as they many have done for centuries? What is clear is the latter seems to suggest them being used as a tool to break sovereign borders of many countries causing great problems and promoting them in a viral manner.
Another interesting analysis  
njm : 7/26/2016 8:43 am : link
Manh et. al. The weekend WSJ had a long article on the issue of religious Islam as opposed to political Islam with a particular focus on Turkey. Definitely worth the read.
The side of free speech..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2016 9:15 am : link
that often gets ignored is that it is also a free view for the readers to see exactly who is proud to come off looking terrible.

People have the freedom to comment, and then others have the freedom to call that person an ignorant shithead.
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