"New coach Ben McAdoo will continue to put his stamp on the organization at training camp this summer, and it will extend into the season when he institutes a new daily..." Link - ( New Window )
between having your guys prepared physically, and over-working them.
I'm glad to see a change just because of injuries, but in recent years, it always seemed that the Giants were less conditioned (late game collapses) than their opponents.
for two years in a row, you have to make a change right? I hope this new approach and new strength & conditioning program work and we have a year in the bottom five in the league for once!
And when you lose 6 games in the last two minutes, all games you entered the fourth quarter leading, you have to consider conditioning as well.
in Game Management ..first and foremost sometimes it comes
down to knowing your teams strength and weaknesses as well
as your opponents .
Secondly is the team ready and he has the blueprint to beat
the foes one that is doable with what he has .
Early in TC's career he got this team to fight through anything .
If we break out of the gates strong and are prepared for the
last 4 games of the season then we will win the division
and hopefully he can be a little more of a gambler and
run some trick plays even on specials ala Parcells .
This is such a nice way of saying "have short attention spans"
This new approach by McAdoo appears geared toward teaching millennials, who are thought to learn and absorb information more effectively in shorter bursts.
in Game Management ..first and foremost sometimes it comes
down to knowing your teams strength and weaknesses as well
as your opponents .
Secondly is the team ready and he has the blueprint to beat
the foes one that is doable with what he has .
Early in TC's career he got this team to fight through anything .
If we break out of the gates strong and are prepared for the
last 4 games of the season then we will win the division
and hopefully he can be a little more of a gambler and
run some trick plays even on specials ala Parcells .
Just out of curiosity, why do you write like that? It's harder to read in that format, at least to me.
I'm curious to read more about the new strength coach and program
This new approach by McAdoo appears geared toward teaching millennials, who are thought to learn and absorb information more effectively in shorter bursts.
we weren't in shape, not because of lack of talent on defense?
A lack of talent that isn't even in shape is why we lost. I mean, outside of DRC who had a good year on defense???? It was just horrible to watch this defense last year.
between having your guys prepared physically, and over-working them.
I'm glad to see a change just because of injuries, but in recent years, it always seemed that the Giants were less conditioned (late game collapses) than their opponents.
I hope McAdoo has the right formula
Chicken and egg. The flip side of that is injuries depleted their depth and they had to rely more on their starters (or primary backups stepping in for injured starter). With better health, and thus better depth, maybe they can give their starters an extra 5-10 snaps off in the first 3 quarters and keep them fresher for the end.
Example 1 - look at the # of snaps Wynn was playing (a 4th DE on a good D) early last year when JPP and Ayers (and Odi) were out. You can get by playing Wynn 10-15 snaps a game in low leverage situations. You're going to get killed if you're really on Wynn to play >80% of the D snaps and still generate pressure on a key 3rd/4th down in the 4th Quarter.
Exactly - other teams are subject to the same rules and yet have been in better shape and had fewer injuries over the last 3 years. Blaming the (extremely) limited practice schedule alone is a cop out.
Something has been broken with the way the Giants have trained and prepared the past few years...hopefully, some of these new methods will fix it.
Close quarter repeated hitting get the body in shape for contact. I like the idea of the half line drills. Open field high velocity hits creates injuries, tired players creates injuries, pile ups create injuries. A steady pace allows the body to adjust.
some things are changing and that Ben is putting his stamp on things. Will the injury epidemic slow down? Don't know but when a team gets racked every year the way we have you have to believe something was awry in the fitness/training area.
And if millennials in fact do have shorter attention spans then the staff needs to adapt. Easier for a few coaches to change than 53 players.
the McAdoo mission is pretty simple. This team has not done shit in 4 years and we have a bunch of high paid guys surrounded by a bunch of nobodies. No balance, not really a team of producers.
A winning record, and entrance, competitiveness or better in the playoffs would be considered a turnaround to me. Teaching millennials is interesting but I think what TC forgot is that some can detect a shaky leader or just not care if they are underachievers being underpaid compared to their elite peers.
If McAdoo is a leader and the guys buy-in and believe they will be successful, it probably does not matter if they are a millennial or not. You just need types that do not accept losing or want to be part of losing culture. The last 4 teams seemed like a losing culture to me in that it seemed like it did not bother them that much.
Yes, and this came about as part of the union and league negotiations as I recall. I don't know all the details and rules but I do know that practices today are not nearly as hard on players as those from the 70's, 80's and 90's. A lot less hitting.
But I must admit I didn't realize it was only 13 practices and four pre-season games for these guys to learn.
I'd be finding out how the LEAST injured teams in the league do their workouts and schedules. I bet McAdoo did this months ago. And whether you like millennials or not, that's who is in the league, so all teams better figure out how to relate to them and get something out of them.
Yes, and this came about as part of the union and league negotiations as I recall. I don't know all the details and rules but I do know that practices today are not nearly as hard on players as those from the 70's, 80's and 90's. A lot less hitting.
But I must admit I didn't realize it was only 13 practices and four pre-season games for these guys to learn.
13 practices can't be right. it has to be more than that.
The players union realizes that fewer practices with less intensity has led to a shitty on field product and more injuries.
IMO, fewer practices are only good for the veterans job security (if they develop to be veterans). If you're a rookie with limited reps you may not have enough oppprtunity to an impact before being cut/replaced/etc. Kinda appeared the Giants had this issue with Coughlin and developing players unless the drafts were truly that awful.
No doubt, Sept football is sloppy b/c of what doesn't happen during preseason IMO.
Should have the coaches from Friday night Tykes running camp
I'm glad to see a change just because of injuries, but in recent years, it always seemed that the Giants were less conditioned (late game collapses) than their opponents.
I hope McAdoo has the right formula
that is unreal
And when you lose 6 games in the last two minutes, all games you entered the fourth quarter leading, you have to consider conditioning as well.
Camp will reveal a lot.
down to knowing your teams strength and weaknesses as well
as your opponents .
Secondly is the team ready and he has the blueprint to beat
the foes one that is doable with what he has .
Early in TC's career he got this team to fight through anything .
If we break out of the gates strong and are prepared for the
last 4 games of the season then we will win the division
and hopefully he can be a little more of a gambler and
run some trick plays even on specials ala Parcells .
down to knowing your teams strength and weaknesses as well
as your opponents .
Secondly is the team ready and he has the blueprint to beat
the foes one that is doable with what he has .
Early in TC's career he got this team to fight through anything .
If we break out of the gates strong and are prepared for the
last 4 games of the season then we will win the division
and hopefully he can be a little more of a gambler and
run some trick plays even on specials ala Parcells .
Just out of curiosity, why do you write like that? It's harder to read in that format, at least to me.
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This new approach by McAdoo appears geared toward teaching millennials, who are thought to learn and absorb information more effectively in shorter bursts.
lol, yep.
that is unreal
Seems crazy! Anyone know the average number of training camp practices for all teams? Curious if this is much lower than the league average.
I'm glad to see a change just because of injuries, but in recent years, it always seemed that the Giants were less conditioned (late game collapses) than their opponents.
I hope McAdoo has the right formula
Chicken and egg. The flip side of that is injuries depleted their depth and they had to rely more on their starters (or primary backups stepping in for injured starter). With better health, and thus better depth, maybe they can give their starters an extra 5-10 snaps off in the first 3 quarters and keep them fresher for the end.
Example 1 - look at the # of snaps Wynn was playing (a 4th DE on a good D) early last year when JPP and Ayers (and Odi) were out. You can get by playing Wynn 10-15 snaps a game in low leverage situations. You're going to get killed if you're really on Wynn to play >80% of the D snaps and still generate pressure on a key 3rd/4th down in the 4th Quarter.
(and I like Wynn as depth)
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13 total practices
that is unreal
Seems crazy! Anyone know the average number of training camp practices for all teams? Curious if this is much lower than the league average.
That's why I called it a country club, probably college and HS football camps more intense than this.
Exactly - other teams are subject to the same rules and yet have been in better shape and had fewer injuries over the last 3 years. Blaming the (extremely) limited practice schedule alone is a cop out.
Something has been broken with the way the Giants have trained and prepared the past few years...hopefully, some of these new methods will fix it.
And if millennials in fact do have shorter attention spans then the staff needs to adapt. Easier for a few coaches to change than 53 players.
A winning record, and entrance, competitiveness or better in the playoffs would be considered a turnaround to me. Teaching millennials is interesting but I think what TC forgot is that some can detect a shaky leader or just not care if they are underachievers being underpaid compared to their elite peers.
If McAdoo is a leader and the guys buy-in and believe they will be successful, it probably does not matter if they are a millennial or not. You just need types that do not accept losing or want to be part of losing culture. The last 4 teams seemed like a losing culture to me in that it seemed like it did not bother them that much.
But I must admit I didn't realize it was only 13 practices and four pre-season games for these guys to learn.
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practices. Nobody gets an advantage
Yes, and this came about as part of the union and league negotiations as I recall. I don't know all the details and rules but I do know that practices today are not nearly as hard on players as those from the 70's, 80's and 90's. A lot less hitting.
But I must admit I didn't realize it was only 13 practices and four pre-season games for these guys to learn.
13 practices can't be right. it has to be more than that.
Are you excluding training camp in that count?
that is unreal
That's overtime work for Millennials.
I know some of them do realize this. Will be interesting to see if the CBA changes much next time.
IMO, fewer practices are only good for the veterans job security (if they develop to be veterans). If you're a rookie with limited reps you may not have enough oppprtunity to an impact before being cut/replaced/etc. Kinda appeared the Giants had this issue with Coughlin and developing players unless the drafts were truly that awful.
No doubt, Sept football is sloppy b/c of what doesn't happen during preseason IMO.