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NFT: More Famous/Popular - Bruce or Billy Joel

bhill410 : 7/25/2016 2:35 pm
Was having a couple pops last weekend and somehow the conversation dovetailed into whether Bruce or Billy Joel was more famous or popular (I suppose those are two different criteria). Being from NJ, I thought the clear cut answer was Bruce and frankly didnt even think it was that close. However, all of the NYers present thought I was crazy.

So like all great debates in life, I look to BBI for the final resolution. And this isnt about who you happen to like better (personally I lean Bruce but am a big fan of both), but who is more famous.
Bruce....  
Chris in Philly : 7/25/2016 2:38 pm : link
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I think nationally it may be Joel  
steve in ky : 7/25/2016 2:39 pm : link
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i'm going Joel  
UConn4523 : 7/25/2016 2:39 pm : link
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I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/25/2016 2:40 pm : link
Joel's more famous nationally and abroad. I think Bruce wins by a landslide in Asbury Park, though...
RE: I think..  
Chef : 7/25/2016 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13044448 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Joel's more famous nationally and abroad. I think Bruce wins by a landslide in Asbury Park, though...


This is perfect lol..
I am a big fan of both.  
johnnyb : 7/25/2016 2:46 pm : link
Both are touring and both are selling out stadiums. Internationally, Bruce is much more popular than Billy- the crowds he continues to attract in Europe is amazing. Nationally, maybe Billy because he appeals to a wider audience.
Simple math...  
LarmerTJR : 7/25/2016 2:50 pm : link
Billy has 102 million albums sold (certified) and 150 claimed.

Bruce has 100 million (certified) and 120 claimed.

AC/DC wins. 112.4 million (certified), 200 claimed.
Joel  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/25/2016 2:50 pm : link
has sold more albums, but not by much. Billy Joel's greatest hits album went 23x Platinum (third best ever).

Bruce has far more Grammy Awards as well as an Oscar.

Both are in songwriters and RnR HOF.

Bruce has a more obsessive following.

Both are awesome.
Don't sell Joel..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/25/2016 2:52 pm : link
short internationally. He is beloved in Russia and eastern Europe. He also has a huge following in Asia.
the real question is  
UConn4523 : 7/25/2016 2:57 pm : link
who's more talented...
I think Joel has had a few songs that hit #1  
steve in ky : 7/25/2016 2:58 pm : link
Where I don't think Bruce ever has. Not that it really matters but that could indicate that at least at one point in time he was more "popular".
Both are in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame...  
Chris in Philly : 7/25/2016 3:00 pm : link
inducted in the same year. Both have been given Kennedy Center Honors (Bruce was first).

Joel has sold 81.5 million albums and has had 23 grammy nominations.

Bruce has sold 64.5 million albums and has had 20 Grammy wins out of 49 nomination. Bruce also has an Oscar and two Golden Globes.

Bruce is 3rd overall in #1 albums behind the Beatles and Jay-Z. He is also 4th overall in #1 albums in the UK. Wikipedia doesn't have Joel's info but he's clearly behind in both.

Joel definitely has more hits, but I think Bruce is the bigger name worldwide.
I feel like peak Joel  
Deej : 7/25/2016 3:01 pm : link
was bigger than Bruce by a country mile, but Bruce has stayed steadier and more relevant.
Billy  
Sec 103 : 7/25/2016 3:11 pm : link
Hands down
Billy in every way.  
Victor in CT : 7/25/2016 3:12 pm : link
.........
I like both  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2016 3:13 pm : link
Billy Joel is more pop and Bruce is more rock.

So Billy Joel would have a wider audience to appeal to.

For example my mother like Billy Joel.

she never listened to Bruce Springsteen, he just wasn't played o her easy listening stations.

I will say this though Billy Joel played in Hawaii at my company "President's Club" event for a couple thousand people (maybe less). And it was incredible to see him in such a unique setting.

I can't see Bruce doing that, since I assumed it was purely financial why Joel did it), financially I think Bruce has done much better. Just my opinion on that though.
You think Joel has more hits than Bruce?  
bhill410 : 7/25/2016 3:14 pm : link
To me I would say Bruce but I will have to go through and look at that.
Bruce played..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/25/2016 3:15 pm : link
at a private birthday party for someone I used to work with - for free as a favor.

I think both guys are fine with doing intimate settings on occasion.
No question Billy Joel  
FranknWeezer : 7/25/2016 3:20 pm : link
Especially b/c of international appeal.
It's really close  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/25/2016 3:21 pm : link
Billy Joel has the more recognizable individual songs, but Bruce has a higher pedigree.

I'd give the slightest of slight edges to Bruce.
And for the record I can't stand Bruce and enjoy Billy Joel  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/25/2016 3:21 pm : link
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Bruce was hugely popular ....  
ed90631 : 7/25/2016 3:22 pm : link
but IMHO Billy Joel was far more entertaining.

Neither makes my top ten list of pop/rock acts from the seventies.

pink floyd
Eric Clapton
Allman Bros
Jimi..(he died in 1970)
Dead
Jefferson Airplane/Hot Tuna
Stones
Led Zepp (meh)
oops...back to work
I think Billy Joel.  
TheBigBlueOne : 7/25/2016 3:24 pm : link
He was on that motorcycle building show where the father and son yelled at each other.
RE: You think Joel has more hits than Bruce?  
Victor in CT : 7/25/2016 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13044524 bhill410 said:
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To me I would say Bruce but I will have to go through and look at that.


way more.

42 Bill Board Top 100 for Billy Joel, 3 #1s
(http://www.billboard.com/artist/284376/billy-joel/chart?f=379)

26 for Bruce, never a #1
(http://www.billboard.com/artist/298448/bruce-springsteen/chart)
RE: You think Joel has more hits than Bruce?  
Chris in Philly : 7/25/2016 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13044524 bhill410 said:
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To me I would say Bruce but I will have to go through and look at that.


According to Wiki, Joel has had 32 top 40 singles and 3 at #1 overall.

Bruce has had 18 top 40 singles and the highest he ever got was the #2 spot.

Bruce does more album rock and Joel does a lot more singles...
Bruce has more Facebook and Twitter followers  
Lopes1984 : 7/25/2016 3:26 pm : link
For whatever that's worth.
We only play 80s Joel  
robbieballs2003 : 7/25/2016 3:27 pm : link
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RE: I think..  
Section331 : 7/25/2016 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13044448 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Joel's more famous nationally and abroad. I think Bruce wins by a landslide in Asbury Park, though...


I disagree. Bruce sells out stadiums worldwide, Joel has to play MSG once a month to get sellouts, and has to perform with Elton John to sell out stadiums.

It's Bruce, and it's not close.
it's a tough call  
Enzo : 7/25/2016 3:32 pm : link
In terms of fame, it would seemingly be difficult to find someone who's heard of one but not the other (excluding young people). Springsteen has the reputation for the epic stadium shows, but Billy just recently played baseball stadiums in Seattle, San Diego, Pittsburgh, Philly, etc. If I had to guess I'd go with Billy. I bet I can find more people that have heard of/can sing every word to Piano Man vs. Bruce's most popular songs (Born to Run? Born in the USA?). That's not a knock on Bruce. He's simply more rock than pop. Bottom line: both are awesome.
and Billy doesn't spit when he sings  
Victor in CT : 7/25/2016 3:35 pm : link
:-)
Joe Piscopo/Bruce Springsteen - ( New Window )
It makes me cringe when Bruce and Billy are mentioned together...  
x meadowlander : 7/25/2016 3:35 pm : link
...as though there is any similarity between them, aside from being white and banging supermodels.

What about Sinatra? Was he more popular?

They aren't in the same category.

RE: We only play 80s Joel  
x meadowlander : 7/25/2016 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13044559 robbieballs2003 said:
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BOATS & HO'S!!!
RE: I think Joel has had a few songs that hit #1  
johnnyb : 7/25/2016 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13044492 steve in ky said:
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Where I don't think Bruce ever has. Not that it really matters but that could indicate that at least at one point in time he was more "popular".


Bruce is different in that he does not look for commercial success. He certainly is capable of writing top 20 hits, but it is not his goal. Look at the hits he gave away! Billy is a bit more commercial in my opinion but please do not take that as underestimating his talent.
Well..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/25/2016 3:38 pm : link
From 2014 to 2016, Joel sold out 74 consecutive shows and that included a lot of venues on the West Coast, Wembley Stadium and Frankfurt. It isn't like he only sells out at MSG.
Bruce  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2016 3:39 pm : link
has a net worth of 300M


Billy has a net worth of 180M


Bruce has been more frugal? - not saying it makes him more famous or popular

(this is through 2014, at which time Bruce had another tour to probably add another $10M or so).


per therichest.com
RE: No question Billy Joel  
johnnyb : 7/25/2016 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13044540 FranknWeezer said:
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Especially b/c of international appeal.


Check out Bruce's concerts in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa in 2014 and his European gigs over the last three months. All or parts are on youtube. Bruce is extremely popular internationally. Not sure Billy has played internationally in recent years.
Joel was more popular at his zenith  
Heisenberg : 7/25/2016 3:40 pm : link
but Bruce has simply kept going and still puts out good records. Joel hasn't released anything in years. Bruce is more prolific for sure. But Billy Joel wrote a lot bigger hits.
RE: Well..  
Victor in CT : 7/25/2016 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13044594 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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From 2014 to 2016, Joel sold out 74 consecutive shows and that included a lot of venues on the West Coast, Wembley Stadium and Frankfurt. It isn't like he only sells out at MSG.


And he's been doing a ballpark tour this summer as well that has consistently sold out.
RE: Bruce  
YAJ2112 : 7/25/2016 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13044597 pjcas18 said:
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has a net worth of 300M


Billy has a net worth of 180M


Bruce has been more frugal? - not saying it makes him more famous or popular

(this is through 2014, at which time Bruce had another tour to probably add another $10M or so).


per therichest.com


Billy's been divorced more
RE: It makes me cringe when Bruce and Billy are mentioned together...  
steve in ky : 7/25/2016 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13044586 x meadowlander said:
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...as though there is any similarity between them, aside from being white and banging supermodels.

What about Sinatra? Was he more popular?

They aren't in the same category.


They are both from the same region of the country and with careers that began in a similar time period of the early 70's. I can see why people from the NY metropolitan area would sometimes link them.

I don't think they are so much elsewhere in the country.
Billy Joel recorded uptown girl  
weeg in the bronx : 7/25/2016 3:41 pm : link
Sorry, that loses him the argument.
Joel hasn't written any new material....  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/25/2016 3:42 pm : link
since 1993 and the "River of Dreams" album.
RE: Bruce  
Victor in CT : 7/25/2016 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13044597 pjcas18 said:
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has a net worth of 300M


Billy has a net worth of 180M


Bruce has been more frugal? - not saying it makes him more famous or popular

(this is through 2014, at which time Bruce had another tour to probably add another $10M or so).


per therichest.com


Billy was bankrupted at least once, his ex-wife and brother in law were managing him/robbing him blind in the late 70s early 80s, cost him lots of $$.
Billy probably had to pay Christie  
timintey : 7/25/2016 3:45 pm : link
more than Bruce paid Julianne... just a hunch
RE: Bruce  
steve in ky : 7/25/2016 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13044597 pjcas18 said:
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has a net worth of 300M


Billy has a net worth of 180M


Bruce has been more frugal? - not saying it makes him more famous or popular

(this is through 2014, at which time Bruce had another tour to probably add another $10M or so).


per therichest.com




Even if we are to even believe net worth figures published from online sources which likley aren't truly accurate possibly it is nothing more than more money lost in divorces or different spending/investing habits.
RE: RE: Bruce  
BillKo : 7/25/2016 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13044603 YAJ2112 said:
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In comment 13044597 pjcas18 said:


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has a net worth of 300M


Billy has a net worth of 180M


Bruce has been more frugal? - not saying it makes him more famous or popular

(this is through 2014, at which time Bruce had another tour to probably add another $10M or so).


per therichest.com



Billy's been divorced more


And didn't Brinkley basically steal everything right from out under him???
Bruce:  
manh george : 7/25/2016 3:46 pm : link
Net worth of $350 million, twenty Grammy Awards, four American Music Awards, two Golden Globe Award and an Academy Award. In 1999, Bruce Springsteen was inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 120 million record sales.


Billy Joel: . He has received 23 Grammy nominations {not awards), is a member of the Songwriter Hall of Fame and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, as well. 100 million record sales, so it's close.

Interestingly, they were born 4 months apart.

I give it to Bruce, by a fair amount. Joel probably could have done even more than his illustrious career if he stayed sober, longer.
you mean Bruce doesn't still live in a share house in Asbury Park  
Victor in CT : 7/25/2016 3:47 pm : link
like the propaganda says? :-)

Although he looks like he does
Joel..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/25/2016 3:47 pm : link
admits that he's been too trusting with people and his money and that he's been taken to the cleaners a few times.
Has Joel ever played the Superbowl  
bhill410 : 7/25/2016 3:48 pm : link
and if he hasnt why not?
It's easy  
NNJ Tom : 7/25/2016 3:48 pm : link
Guys selling million dollar motorcycles or cars - Joel
Guys selling million dollar horses - Bruce



(when he actually pays for them)
RE: RE: RE: Bruce  
Victor in CT : 7/25/2016 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13044621 BillKo said:
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In comment 13044603 YAJ2112 said:


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In comment 13044597 pjcas18 said:


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has a net worth of 300M


Billy has a net worth of 180M


Bruce has been more frugal? - not saying it makes him more famous or popular

(this is through 2014, at which time Bruce had another tour to probably add another $10M or so).


per therichest.com



Billy's been divorced more



And didn't Brinkley basically steal everything right from out under him???


No that was just a divorce. His first wife and her brother are the ones who robbed him blind.
I'm pissed at Billy Joel  
mrvax : 7/25/2016 3:51 pm : link
Liked a lot off his stuff then he just quit writing new material. Just freegin' quit.
Also regarding #1 hits  
bhill410 : 7/25/2016 3:56 pm : link
Hall and Oates had more than both, and I dont think anyone is going to argue that they are as famous.

I feel as though more people know Born in the USA than uptown girl. Piano Man is probably the most popular out of either, but slots 2-7 I would probably give to Bruce (in todays terms).
I think Billy Joel has a broader appeal and therefore  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/25/2016 4:02 pm : link
his songs are more well known. Bruce is more of a pure rock guy and people that don't listen to rock don't really know his stuff outside of a handful of songs.
bhill410  
steve in ky : 7/25/2016 4:06 pm : link
well regardless of which is more famous/popular it appears your friends were correct in that the answer isn't clear cut.
....  
Chuck Q : 7/25/2016 4:15 pm : link
"And for the record I can't stand Bruce and enjoy Billy Joel
Mike in Long Beach : 3:21 pm : link "

me too Mike. never understood his appeal and can barely make out what he is singing. some of the songs are well written albeit simplistic. Billy Joel is far more harmonically competent and just a better singer.
outside of jersey it's not close...  
Torrag : 7/25/2016 4:19 pm : link
Billy Joel
How about the Bruce Springsteen of Long Island?  
Mr. Bungle : 7/25/2016 4:20 pm : link
"Is that anywhere near Buffalo?!"
link - ( New Window )
RE: ....  
Victor in CT : 7/25/2016 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13044678 Chuck Q said:
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"And for the record I can't stand Bruce and enjoy Billy Joel
Mike in Long Beach : 3:21 pm : link "

me too Mike. never understood his appeal and can barely make out what he is singing. some of the songs are well written albeit simplistic. Billy Joel is far more harmonically competent and just a better singer.


me three
Bruce's voice is unlistenable for me  
UConn4523 : 7/25/2016 4:21 pm : link
so I don't think its all that close
Lots of reading comprehension fails on this thread.  
Mr. Bungle : 7/25/2016 4:24 pm : link
As usual.
Billy has fewer sanctimonious twits...  
Dunedin81 : 7/25/2016 4:24 pm : link
who think he wrote the soundtrack to their life. So there's that.
Once again not your preference  
bhill410 : 7/25/2016 4:33 pm : link
Simply who is more popular. I feel as though more people today know Born to Run, Dancing in the Dark, Glory Days, Born in the USA, etc. than they do anthonys song, captain jack, big shot, the stranger etc. Obviously everyone knows Piano man, but I am not sure how well trafficked the rest of his catalog is today.

I could be wrong about that which is why I started the thread.
Also anyone know if the sales numbers we were seeing  
bhill410 : 7/25/2016 4:34 pm : link
includes the best of albums? It would seem to me best of numbers shouldnt be included but I suppose that is an argument for another thread.
i think the discussion moved on  
UConn4523 : 7/25/2016 4:37 pm : link
plenty posted who they felt was more popular. Then I asked who was more talented, then it went to who people enjoy more.
Probably depends on each person.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/25/2016 4:39 pm : link
Outside of Born to Run, Thunder Road and Dancing in the Dark, I'd imagine Bruce's hits resonate more with his fans than the public compared to Piano Man, New York State of Mind, Just the Way You Are, She's Always a Woman, Only the Good Die Young, Goodnight Saigon, Pressure, We didn't Start the Fire.

I don't think there's much debate on who had more widespread appeal with more songs. Bruce had some rock anthems that will keep him legendary.

Joel has had more individual hits and more #1's - which sort of negates the point that Bruce has more appeal of his songs if one judges just on popularity.
I'd guess  
njm : 7/25/2016 4:41 pm : link
Joel would win big on Long Island and Bruce big in Jersey. Question is who the rest of the country would favor. Can't say I know.
plenty of people today  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/25/2016 4:41 pm : link
know Scenes From An Italian Restaurant, New York State of Mind, Only the Good Die Young, It's Still Rock and Roll to Me, We Didn't Start the Fire, The Longest Time, Uptown Girl, and others.
I think you can see from this thread, why it was such a heated debate  
Bill L : 7/25/2016 4:43 pm : link
arguments to be made on both side. I think I like the argument hat Billy had a higher peak but less of sustained peak. Different target audiences too.

Myself, I can listen to Billy sing for a very long time, but I get tired of his songs after a while. I think Bruce has some great songs, but honestly, I don't think he sings very well. At least for me, I dislike his voice.

I give Billy the overall win purely because with his looks, to bang Christie Brinkley you must have something great going on somewhere.
RE: Probably depends on each person.  
njm : 7/25/2016 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13044716 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Outside of Born to Run, Thunder Road and Dancing in the Dark, I'd imagine Bruce's hits resonate more with his fans than the public compared to Piano Man, New York State of Mind, Just the Way You Are, She's Always a Woman, Only the Good Die Young, Goodnight Saigon, Pressure, We didn't Start the Fire.

I don't think there's much debate on who had more widespread appeal with more songs. Bruce had some rock anthems that will keep him legendary.

Joel has had more individual hits and more #1's - which sort of negates the point that Bruce has more appeal of his songs if one judges just on popularity.


I'd say "Born in the USA" and a few others are up there.
njm..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/25/2016 4:48 pm : link
I agree. I was just pointing out Joel's catalog is a lot deeper than Piano Man.

I like both artists, but from a musical standpoint, they are pretty different. Bruce is a rocker who plays to the crowd. Joel is a songwriter who is an absolute genius in crafting songs.

Joel has taken on several different musical genres like the Doo Wop/ 50's scene with An Innocent Man, his 70's anthems about his life and NYC on The Stranger and 52nd Street, then the gritty progressive music on The Nylon Curtain. I always felt Joel had more range, but both are great musicians.
RE: Once again not your preference  
Enzo : 7/25/2016 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13044710 bhill410 said:
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Simply who is more popular. I feel as though more people today know Born to Run, Dancing in the Dark, Glory Days, Born in the USA, etc. than they do anthonys song, captain jack, big shot, the stranger etc. Obviously everyone knows Piano man, but I am not sure how well trafficked the rest of his catalog is today.

I could be wrong about that which is why I started the thread.

interesting that outside of Born to Run and Hungry, the seemingly best known Bruce songs to casual fans (Glory Days, Dancing in the Dark, Born in the USA) were all huge MTV hits at the time. Whereas Billy had a ton of pop hits that never even had a video. Not sure what that means, just an observation. I do think that among casual music fans, you're going to find people are more familiar with Billy's catalog. The love songs like Just the Way You Are and She's Got a Way are simply going to reach more people IMO. And there's certainly no shortage of monster pop hits (My Life, Still Rock and Roll, You May Be Right, Only the Good Die Young, Piano Man, We Didn't Start the Fire, Tell Her About it, Uptown Girl, etc.
Springsteen appearing on the covers of both Time and Newsweek  
Face Pepler : 7/25/2016 4:55 pm : link
in the same week (in a pre-Internet age) probably garnered him an awful lot of attention, as did his being touted as "the future of rock n' roll". Joel sold a lot of records, but lots of people who sold a lot of records may not be very well known today. Garth Brooks sold just south of 130 million albums--is he that famous nowadays?
Meh...  
Dunedin81 : 7/25/2016 4:56 pm : link
I don't think Bruce's highlights are markedly better known than Billy Joel's among the younger set. Billy Joel also had a brief renaissance on pop channels with River of Dreams, were Bruce's singles getting that kind of play after the mid-80's? Bruce has a devout following that's probably larger than Billy Joel's, but Billy Joel probably has more fans.
Philadelphia and Secret Garden were both monster  
bhill410 : 7/25/2016 5:12 pm : link
hits in the 90s. And the Rising got some decent play, possibly in part due to the topic and where the country was in the early 2000s.

Heck Philadelphia may have been Bruces most "popular" song commercially but I dont think many of his more hard core fans would list it in the top 15. Probably say the same thing about River of Dreams. I absolutely loved that song at the time (was 10), but really didnt hold up for me in the long term.

Another not relevant observation is that when Billy Joel had his sirius channel I found myself thinking that they were running out of stuff to play, possibly because I am not sure if they had the rights to his live concerts.
RE: Philadelphia and Secret Garden were both monster  
Enzo : 7/25/2016 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13044768 bhill410 said:
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hits in the 90s.

true, although I'd argue those songs have little to no cultural footprint 20 years later. Your average fan isn't going to be able to sing any of the words. But put your average fan at a Billy Joel concert and they can probably sing along with almost every song.
I'm not really a fan of either  
santacruzom : 7/25/2016 5:26 pm : link
so I'm pretty objective on this matter, and the answer that first occurs to me is Springsteen.
I'm a hard rocker...  
Vinny from Danbury : 7/25/2016 6:01 pm : link
and 50 years later I'm still waiting to hear a Springsteen song I thought was worth listening to twice. For me it's Billy Joel by a wide margin.
Close...  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 7/25/2016 6:31 pm : link
though I'm a Bruce guy.
I think it's Bruce by a mile. I don't think Joel sells out stadiums  
gtt350 : 7/25/2016 6:41 pm : link
given the option to attend a Springsteen show or a Joel show on the same night Billy might be singing to the janitorial staff
River of Dreams peaked higher (3)....  
Dunedin81 : 7/25/2016 6:48 pm : link
while Philadelphia (9) and Secret Garden (19) were lower on the Billboard charts. But that's certainly a good point, both had salience in their own ways.

Still, I think the breakdown is that Billy Joel has a bigger fanbase and Bruce had/has a more fervent one.
Billy is more popular  
PA Giant Fan : 7/25/2016 6:50 pm : link
For the simple fact that he crosses over more genres and people so more people like him. Bruce has a more dedicated following
Imo  
OC2.0 : 7/25/2016 7:03 pm : link
Springsteen is the most overrated mfr in music history.
I will take a Hattaras over a Bertram  
grizz299 : 7/25/2016 7:09 pm : link
but the Bertram has gel coating and a deep V hull while the Hattaras has a modified V and Imiron paint. So maybe it's the Bertram after all.
RE: I will take a Hattaras over a Bertram  
OC2.0 : 7/25/2016 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13044854 grizz299 said:
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but the Bertram has gel coating and a deep V hull while the Hattaras has a modified V and Imiron paint. So maybe it's the Bertram after all.


If you're trying to be funny, it ain't working. But, stand in there, you got 2 more swings.
RE: I'm a hard rocker...  
speedywheels : 7/25/2016 7:24 pm : link
In comment 13044807 Vinny from Danbury said:
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and 50 years later I'm still waiting to hear a Springsteen song I thought was worth listening to twice.


This is such a ridiculous statement...
Neil Peart/Geddy Lee  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2016 7:26 pm : link
trolled Billy Joel.

Point Springsteen.
RE: RE: I'm a hard rocker...  
OC2.0 : 7/25/2016 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13044865 speedywheels said:
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In comment 13044807 Vinny from Danbury said:


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and 50 years later I'm still waiting to hear a Springsteen song I thought was worth listening to twice.



This is such a ridiculous statement...


Not that ridiculous
RE: RE: RE: I'm a hard rocker...  
speedywheels : 7/25/2016 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13044875 OC2.0 said:
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In comment 13044865 speedywheels said:


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In comment 13044807 Vinny from Danbury said:


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and 50 years later I'm still waiting to hear a Springsteen song I thought was worth listening to twice.



This is such a ridiculous statement...



Not that ridiculous


Yes it is. I get people not being a huge fan, but seriously? But there isn't an objective person out there who can't at least acknowledge Born to Run and The River as terrific albums (not songs, but ALBUMS)...
Joel......not even a question for me  
lono801 : 7/25/2016 7:43 pm : link
I'm just not/never been a Bruce fan...

For the most part...I find Bruce overly bombastic and Anthem type music...

' Turnstiles' is a great album...Top 15 Albums for my taste...

Early Bruce seems more my style...


And I didn't read the whole thread....
Try to be objective...  
Dunedin81 : 7/25/2016 7:47 pm : link
you love Bruce and hundreds of thousands of people feel likewise, and a few million more (myself included) are casual fans.

Or you hate Bruce because of his politics or his persona or because his fans can be utterly insufferable.

Billy Joel probably has a broader fanbase because he does cross genres, because a lot of his stuff has a pop sound and so climbed the charts when it came out, and because one does not feel like an outsider if one can't rattle off his favorite five shows. And he did manage to have a reasonably successful musical on Broadway and on the road, ten years after anything commercially successful.

Whether you like one or the other, both or neither, they each deserve their due.
Why use..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/25/2016 7:48 pm : link
hyperbole here?

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think it's Bruce by a mile. I don't think Joel sells out stadiums
gtt350 : 6:41 pm : link : reply
given the option to attend a Springsteen show or a Joel show on the same night Billy might be singing to the janitorial staff


Did you miss the part above where from 2014 to 2016 Joel sold out 74 consecutive shows, all in major arenas or stadiums? It's fine to not like him, but don't make shit up
Billy Joel sold out MSG 74 consecutive times because he played  
johnnyb : 7/25/2016 8:00 pm : link
the venue often. Bruce could certainly do the same. I am a fan of both artists and have seen both dozens of times. I agree with the above comment- Bruce or Billy on the same night. Bruce hands down. Billy is off the stage in two hours while Bruce us just warming up. Bruce is far and away a better performer.
It wasn't just MSG he played from 2014-16...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/25/2016 9:02 pm : link
He played in most of the major cities in the US, including several on the West Coast, plus shows in Wembley and Frankfurt, and he sold out 74 consecutive shows. In major stadiums.

Then this Spring/Summer, he did a tour of baseball stadiums and sold out every one.

not sure where the myth started that he doesn't draw well.
he sells them out  
mdc1 : 7/25/2016 9:03 pm : link
everytime here in DC. Just keep him off the LIE.
I'm not a Bruce fan. I don't like as much of his music....  
Crispino : 7/25/2016 9:03 pm : link
as I do Billy's, but I've seen him perform live and he's a great live performer.

I think a Billy writes much better melodies.
mia culpa, I didn't give billy a fair shake  
gtt350 : 7/25/2016 9:23 pm : link
But Bruce is a sensational song writer with tremendous melodies. If Bruce wanted to write pop 40 stuff he would have hundreds of hits.
Bruce as an entertainer is far and away better imho. He plays piano as well as harmonica does slow ballads as well as rocks but what is little known is how well he plays guitar. he would do a blues set that would blow your mind. . His guitar playing would freak some of you out if you heard him in a small club as i was very fotunate to witness in my youth. blues, rock the whole nine yards
Bruce  
Sean : 7/25/2016 9:24 pm : link
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Springsteen has his own XM channel.  
PeterinAtlanta : 7/25/2016 9:33 pm : link
Yet, I hear more Billy Joel on my preset channels.
XM gave Billy Joel his own channel earlier this year  
timintey : 7/25/2016 10:39 pm : link
for a few months and I had it on frequently. That said, I wish they'd put Rush Radio on XM!!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm a hard rocker...  
Vinny from Danbury : 7/25/2016 10:49 pm : link
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and 50 years later I'm still waiting to hear a Springsteen song I thought was worth listening to twice.



This is such a ridiculous statement...



Not that ridiculous



Yes it is. I get people not being a huge fan, but seriously? But there isn't an objective person out there who can't at least acknowledge Born to Run and The River as terrific albums (not songs, but ALBUMS)...


Not ridiculous at all. It's the truth. I'm 54, lived here in the Northeast all my life, I am a musician for almost 40 of those years, and there's not a single Springsteen song that I've ever felt was worth listening to twice. I've felt that way since I was in High School. His songs just grate on my nerves like few others can. I'll play'em at gigs as needed, but I'd never listen to one for pleasure. Other than maybe Santa Claus is Coming to Town around the holidays. Billy Joel, on the other hand, I can listen to anytime. He's a fantastic songwriter, with an amazing feel for melody. Hands down my choice between the two.
Springsteen is more famous and has a hardcore following  
madgiantscow009 : 7/25/2016 10:50 pm : link
but Billy Joel is more popular, his sound is more universal.
Tough to compare Bruce and Billy Joel  
Cruzin : 7/26/2016 7:44 am : link

I think as far as popularity goes, it's close, which in itself is a testament to Bruce since he has less fluff and air time on more popular radio stations.

Bruce is a street poet, a modern day Bob Dylan, Joel is a self described entertainer, more apt to please the masses, sacrificing depth and creativity to sell records.

While Joel couldn't possibly match songs such as "Thunder Road", "Jungleland", and "Lost in the Flood" as quality songs in the history of rock n roll, I will admit that Billy Joel puts on a great live show. There's nothing quite like a Springsteen show, but Billy Joel is comparable as far as energy and entertainment value, Billy Joel can rock when he wants to.

Aside from sharing locality and energy exerted during live shows ( points to Billy for how many shows get must have done hung over) I don't see much of a comparison between the 2. I think a more appropriate comparison would be Billy Joel and Rod Stewart.
HE must have done  
Cruzin : 7/26/2016 7:46 am : link

Not "get".
I feel more validated than ever in hating Bruce Springsteen  
Greg from LI : 7/26/2016 8:03 am : link
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You never did have any taste in anything  
Cruzin : 7/26/2016 8:07 am : link

Try to get over your obsession with me and move on shorty.
I grew up a big fan of both ...  
Beer Man : 7/26/2016 8:09 am : link
hard to compare given that their music is so different. Both acts seemed to get old and fizzle out rather quickly.
RE: Tough to compare Bruce and Billy Joel  
Enzo : 7/26/2016 8:12 am : link
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I don't see much of a comparison between the 2. I think a more appropriate comparison would be Billy Joel and Rod Stewart.

you might have a point there if Rod Stewart wrote his songs or was an accomplished piano player (or any instrument). Other than that, great comparison! Although it's certainly true that both Rod and Billy blow Bruce out of the water vocally.
RE: Billy has fewer sanctimonious twits...  
TheMick7 : 7/26/2016 8:14 am : link
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who think he wrote the soundtrack to their life. So there's that.


Thanks Dunedin81, I am proudly one of those "sanctimonious twits' who indeed say his music is the soundtrack of my life. I'm 62,Bruce is 67. I grew up listening to his music & have for over 40 years. As we have both gotten older, the type of music he has written has changed as he has gotten older, so,yes, many of us can relate to what he has to say as it is, in may ways, about our lives. I just retired from teaching after 37 years & I always said to my students (who strangely understood my "undying love" as a "sanctimonious twit") that I hope they are able to find an artist who they can grow older with, whose music they can relate to & can still be relevant to them throughout their lives. I hope you've been able to do the same. Music has been, and continues to be, an important part of my life. And, a large part of that has been the music of Bruce.Sincerely "Sanctimonious Twit"
RE: RE: Tough to compare Bruce and Billy Joel  
Cruzin : 7/26/2016 8:18 am : link
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I don't see much of a comparison between the 2. I think a more appropriate comparison would be Billy Joel and Rod Stewart.


you might have a point there if Rod Stewart wrote his songs or was an accomplished piano player (or any instrument). Other than that, great comparison! Although it's certainly true that both Rod and Billy blow Bruce out of the water vocally.


Because Bruce is an accomplished piano player?
Funny thing is people claiming that Billy Joel didnt have many hits  
Greg from LI : 7/26/2016 8:21 am : link
When the traditional gripe about him was how so much of his music was ubiquitous fluff that was overplayed and inescapable.

RE: I feel more validated than ever in hating Bruce Springsteen  
Victor in CT : 7/26/2016 8:28 am : link
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me too. I tried to be polite yesterday. He's a screaming cro magnon look alike who isn't in the same league as Billy vocally or as a musician.
I think it is pretty bad..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2016 8:32 am : link
to insult either guy. Both are incredible talents. Billy compares more to Elton John in talent while Bruce should be up against people like Tom Petty or a Stevie Winwood type.

What I always found incredible about Joel is his ability to play by ear on the piano. His ability to harmonize the melodies on the piano with that of other parts of the band. When you hear him explain the origin of how his songs were created, you see a talent there that not many other musicians have.

Both are American icons - both in different ways and for different reasons. Not really sure why one has to be knocked down a few pegs to prop the other guy up.
RE: RE: RE: Tough to compare Bruce and Billy Joel  
Enzo : 7/26/2016 8:33 am : link
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I don't see much of a comparison between the 2. I think a more appropriate comparison would be Billy Joel and Rod Stewart.


you might have a point there if Rod Stewart wrote his songs or was an accomplished piano player (or any instrument). Other than that, great comparison! Although it's certainly true that both Rod and Billy blow Bruce out of the water vocally.



Because Bruce is an accomplished piano player?

WTF? I'm saying comparing Billy to Rod is stupid because Rod doesn't write lyrics or play an instrument while Billy is a master at both.

And for those trying to downgrade Billy for writing "fluff" or whatever you want to call top 40 hits - coming up with songs that have catchy hooks and melodies is HARD. It might not be your cup of tea, but denying the songwriting gifts and craftsmanship it takes to write songs like that is foolish.
Fats  
Greg from LI : 7/26/2016 8:36 am : link
I'd surmise that any vitriol for Springsteen is motivated by his insufferable fans who cannot handle the fact that not everyone worships the ground he walks on.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Tough to compare Bruce and Billy Joel  
Cruzin : 7/26/2016 8:41 am : link
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I don't see much of a comparison between the 2. I think a more appropriate comparison would be Billy Joel and Rod Stewart.


you might have a point there if Rod Stewart wrote his songs or was an accomplished piano player (or any instrument). Other than that, great comparison! Although it's certainly true that both Rod and Billy blow Bruce out of the water vocally.



Because Bruce is an accomplished piano player?


WTF? I'm saying comparing Billy to Rod is stupid because Rod doesn't write lyrics or play an instrument while Billy is a master at both.

And for those trying to downgrade Billy for writing "fluff" or whatever you want to call top 40 hits - coming up with songs that have catchy hooks and melodies is HARD. It might not be your cup of tea, but denying the songwriting gifts and craftsmanship it takes to write songs like that is foolish.


Hey I was being as kind as possible to Billy. The comparison to Rod Stewart would be more appropriate since both are fluff artists that rock occasionally. Stewart is a great live show also, then again, so is Neil Diamond.

Bruce is in a different league but if you like Billy Joel, that's fine, just keep your headphones on or your windows up.
Calling Billy Joel..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2016 8:57 am : link
a fluff artist shows a complete lack of awareness.

The different genres of rock he's successfully taken shows that.

Not many people can have hits ranging from a piano solo to a doo wop sound to electronica to full rock band hits and Joel has all of those.
Aw c'mon FatMan  
Cruzin : 7/26/2016 9:06 am : link

You had to be a big shot, didn't ya...
Sorry..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2016 9:09 am : link
my windows are up. I just see some gums flapping....
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm a hard rocker...  
Rick5 : 7/26/2016 9:11 am : link
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and 50 years later I'm still waiting to hear a Springsteen song I thought was worth listening to twice.



This is such a ridiculous statement...



Not that ridiculous



Yes it is. I get people not being a huge fan, but seriously? But there isn't an objective person out there who can't at least acknowledge Born to Run and The River as terrific albums (not songs, but ALBUMS)...

You have it backwards. What would be ridiculous would be assert that an album is objectively terrific. That would be especially true for non-musicians because they wouldn't know what they are hearing from a musical standpoint. Their opinions are entirely subjective and based on feelings about the music. Musicians can analyze tunes in terms of the theory and communicate on that level, but even then, liking or not liking a piece of music is subjective.
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Enzo : 7/26/2016 9:11 am : link
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I don't see much of a comparison between the 2. I think a more appropriate comparison would be Billy Joel and Rod Stewart.


you might have a point there if Rod Stewart wrote his songs or was an accomplished piano player (or any instrument). Other than that, great comparison! Although it's certainly true that both Rod and Billy blow Bruce out of the water vocally.



Because Bruce is an accomplished piano player?


WTF? I'm saying comparing Billy to Rod is stupid because Rod doesn't write lyrics or play an instrument while Billy is a master at both.

And for those trying to downgrade Billy for writing "fluff" or whatever you want to call top 40 hits - coming up with songs that have catchy hooks and melodies is HARD. It might not be your cup of tea, but denying the songwriting gifts and craftsmanship it takes to write songs like that is foolish.



Hey I was being as kind as possible to Billy. The comparison to Rod Stewart would be more appropriate since both are fluff artists that rock occasionally. Stewart is a great live show also, then again, so is Neil Diamond.

Bruce is in a different league but if you like Billy Joel, that's fine, just keep your headphones on or your windows up.

If you can't see the difference between Billy Joel and Rod Stewart then you should really avoid talking music with other people. And BTW, Rod Stewart's early stuff as a solo artist and with the Faces is far from "fluff". But knowing that would require a basic understanding of popular music....
RE: Calling Billy Joel..  
Enzo : 7/26/2016 9:16 am : link
In comment 13045146 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a fluff artist shows a complete lack of awareness.

The different genres of rock he's successfully taken shows that.

Not many people can have hits ranging from a piano solo to a doo wop sound to electronica to full rock band hits and Joel has all of those.

Agreed. Springsteen is an awesomely talented artist but could he successfully pull of something like the Innocent Man album? Doubtful.
Enzo..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2016 9:18 am : link
it would be tough for Bruce to growl through songs made for Frankie Valli:)
RE: Calling Billy Joel..  
steve in ky : 7/26/2016 9:21 am : link
In comment 13045146 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a fluff artist shows a complete lack of awareness.

The different genres of rock he's successfully taken shows that.

Not many people can have hits ranging from a piano solo to a doo wop sound to electronica to full rock band hits and Joel has all of those.


And don't forget to add that he also composed and put out a classical music album. May not be for everyone but not many pop or rock musicians could pull that off in their wildest dreams.

I agree with you. I like them both and see no need to knock either of them.
I'm a bigger Bruce fan  
pjcas18 : 7/26/2016 9:28 am : link
than Billy Joel, and I explained before as others have, that as a pop singer, Joel just appeals to and is exposed to a much wider audience.

I grew up my mother would play the Beatles, Billy Joel, John Denver, Elvis on the piano or guitar (she was an aspiring musician in her younger days) or just the cassette tapes or records.

So I know almost every Billy Joel song. When I hear Billy Joel it's nostalgic for me same with the Beatles and John Denver.

Bruce, I found myself by listening to WPLR on the radio as a 10 - 12 year old boy and as I grew up his music seemed more "about me" than any of the Billy Joel songs. So naturally as a teen and young adult who could start making choices I gravitated to Bruce and more hard rock/punk like the Clash, Led Zep, etc.

Any Bruce fan who didn't grow up that way or at least exposed to Billy Joel extensively far underestimate the range and volume of popular songs Joel has and he only really became the bubble gum pop "uptown girl" guy at the end.

Anyway, point is this, like other debates is not one people should be offended by.

I'm going to see Bruce Springsteen for the 2nd time on his River tour in September, and it will probably be the 100th time I've seen him and every one is ingrained in my mind and an event i'd not trade for almost anything.

I've seen Billy Joel a couple times too, once at Fenway, once in Hawaii I mentioned before and it was a great time both times and a hugely entertaining night.

Joel is probably both more famous and popular for the reasons I mentioned above. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Someone posted the top selling artists above and I think Joel was 3rd and Springsteen 4th and Jay-Z was 2nd. I've listened to some Jay-Z, but never considered him a better musician/artist than either Joel or Springsteen yet his net worth (some of it from non-music sources) dwarfs them combined and clearly he's sold more records. I don't find that offensive either.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Tough to compare Bruce and Billy Joel  
Cruzin : 7/26/2016 9:33 am : link
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you might have a point there if Rod Stewart wrote his songs or was an accomplished piano player (or any instrument). Other than that, great comparison! Although it's certainly true that both Rod and Billy blow Bruce out of the water vocally.



Because Bruce is an accomplished piano player?


WTF? I'm saying comparing Billy to Rod is stupid because Rod doesn't write lyrics or play an instrument while Billy is a master at both.

And for those trying to downgrade Billy for writing "fluff" or whatever you want to call top 40 hits - coming up with songs that have catchy hooks and melodies is HARD. It might not be your cup of tea, but denying the songwriting gifts and craftsmanship it takes to write songs like that is foolish.



Hey I was being as kind as possible to Billy. The comparison to Rod Stewart would be more appropriate since both are fluff artists that rock occasionally. Stewart is a great live show also, then again, so is Neil Diamond.

Bruce is in a different league but if you like Billy Joel, that's fine, just keep your headphones on or your windows up.


If you can't see the difference between Billy Joel and Rod Stewart then you should really avoid talking music with other people. And BTW, Rod Stewart's early stuff as a solo artist and with the Faces is far from "fluff". But knowing that would require a basic understanding of popular music....


Someone with a basic understanding of popular music would have known that Rod Stewart wrote his own lyrics when he was with Faces and wouldn't have stated otherwise in his "non comparison" with Billy Joel.

Hey, I like Billy Joel, I like Rod Stewart, I've gotten laid to both, I said both rock occasionally and both have great live shows. What else do you want? I understand that some people don't like Springsteens style but there's no comparison to Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen as rock artists.

I'll concede "fluff" may be detrimental, I'll use "pop" instead.
A little mugwumping here, because I like them both.....  
Doomster : 7/26/2016 9:39 am : link
But if offered a free ticket to either, I would take Joel's....
WPLR! What a great station. Rick Litch at night in the '80s  
Victor in CT : 7/26/2016 9:40 am : link
The CT stations came in great in Suffolk County, LI.
RE: A little mugwumping here, because I like them both.....  
Cruzin : 7/26/2016 9:45 am : link
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Take the Springsteen ticket and sell it for twice as much as the Joel ticket.

Time to throw on some "Uptown Girl" and go wash my car. Have a nice day...
I like them both  
steve in ky : 7/26/2016 9:48 am : link
at one point was a huge Bruce fan and while I will still always enjoy him IMO he kind of jumped the shark around the Born in the U.S.A. era. Of course I was a fan from his original album and realize that for many fans they had only recently became fans of his with the increase of commercialization and popularity of his music so their perceptive is different than mine.
BS could never produce the volume and quality of work that Billy did  
Victor in CT : 7/26/2016 10:01 am : link
when in a row released Turnstiles, The Stranger, 52nd Street, Glass Houses and The Nylon Curtain.
Fans of Bruce are more fanatical  
Csonka : 7/26/2016 10:29 am : link
Know a guy who's been to like 80 Bruce concerts. I just don't get it.

I'd say Bruce is more famous, Billy is more popular, and Billy is more musically talented but Bruce created more.

I'd certainly rather hang out with Billy than Bruce, though.
RE: Fans of Bruce are more fanatical  
TheMick7 : 7/26/2016 10:52 am : link
In comment 13045289 Csonka said:
[quote] Know a guy who's been to like 80 Bruce concerts. I just don't get it.

I'd say Bruce is more famous, Billy is more popular, and Billy is more musically talented but Bruce created more.

I'd certainly rather hang out with Billy than Bruce, though. [/quote

Csonka, Music is in the ears of the beholder & it's okay if you don't get it. I'm sure there's another artist that you get it with. And, by the way, I've attended 184 Bruce shows & am looking forward to the upcoming shows at MetLife & Philly!
I've never agreed more with the Fatman than I do on this thread!  
Don Draper : 7/26/2016 11:00 am : link
I like both Joel and Springsteen a lot. I've seen each once live. Live Joel was was very good, but Bruce's band is friggin' amazing; both shows exceeded my expectations, but my expectations for Bruce were higher. Both are excellent entertainers who connect with the audience well.

I grew up on LI and was very into Joel as a teen, but am more into Bruce, now, though I know a relatively small fraction of his catalog, while I know almost all of Joel's material (so, Bruce seems "fresher", to me).

As an aside: I wonder how many people realize Manfred Mann's version of "Blinded by the Light" is a cover, and how much better the original (Bruce) version is...
Don Draper  
steve in ky : 7/26/2016 11:22 am : link
Yeah it was from his first album Greetings from Asbury Park, N.J.

That was the album that introduced me to BS. I was in jr high at the time and at my best friends house hanging out. His dad came home from hitting garage sales and gives is the album that he got cheap that he thought we might like. Never had heard of BS at that point. I loved the guy and went out and bought his his second album, The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle, which was just out and is still probably my favorite of all time.
Bruce wrote  
pjcas18 : 7/26/2016 11:30 am : link
(mostly)
Because the Night by Patti Smith (and 10,000 maniacs)

This Little Girl by Gary US Bonds

Fire by the Pointer Sisters (Bruce wrote it for Elvis, but he died before he could record it, Bruce never released it until much later than the Pointer Sisters)

And Atlantic City by Bruce is covered by so many bands:
The Band (love this version) as well as Levon solo
Hank Williams
The Hold Steady
Gaslight Anthem
Eddie Vedder
and tons more

Johnny Cash covered I'm on Fire (and almost all of Nebraska)

David Bowie covered Growin Up and others

Rage against the Machine has an awesome version of The Ghost of Tom Joad

Southside Johnny and the Jukes made their career off Bruce's work (practically)




RE: Neil Peart/Geddy Lee  
YAJ2112 : 7/26/2016 11:32 am : link
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trolled Billy Joel.

Point Springsteen.


What did I miss here?
RE: RE: Neil Peart/Geddy Lee  
pjcas18 : 7/26/2016 11:46 am : link
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trolled Billy Joel.

Point Springsteen.



What did I miss here?


Spirit of Radio by Rush has a line in it that is allegedly mocking Billy Joel after he "stole" his first wife from one of his band members or something like that.

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...All this machinery making modern music
Can still be open-hearted
Not so coldly charted
It's really just a question of your honesty, yeah
Your honesty


if you listen to Geddy Lee sing it, he says "yeah your honesty" even in a mocking sarcastic tone.

I don't think the band ever admitted it, but it's been rumored that was what is was about for a long time.

Not sure of the origination, but I believe it.



RE: RE: RE: Neil Peart/Geddy Lee  
YAJ2112 : 7/26/2016 11:50 am : link
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trolled Billy Joel.

Point Springsteen.



What did I miss here?



Spirit of Radio by Rush has a line in it that is allegedly mocking Billy Joel after he "stole" his first wife from one of his band members or something like that.



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...All this machinery making modern music
Can still be open-hearted
Not so coldly charted
It's really just a question of your honesty, yeah
Your honesty



if you listen to Geddy Lee sing it, he says "yeah your honesty" even in a mocking sarcastic tone.

I don't think the band ever admitted it, but it's been rumored that was what is was about for a long time.

Not sure of the origination, but I believe it.




huh, I never heard that before... timing makes sense as Honesty was released in 1978 and Spirit was written in 79
Billy paid for that sin many times over. She and her brother  
Victor in CT : 7/26/2016 12:31 pm : link
robbed him blind.
RE: RE: RE: Neil Peart/Geddy Lee  
santacruzom : 7/27/2016 1:22 pm : link
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if you listen to Geddy Lee sing it, he says "yeah your honesty" even in a mocking sarcastic tone.


Doesn't Geddy Lee sing everything in a sarcastic, mocking tone, as if he's making fun of singing?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Neil Peart/Geddy Lee  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2016 1:28 pm : link
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if you listen to Geddy Lee sing it, he says "yeah your honesty" even in a mocking sarcastic tone.




Doesn't Geddy Lee sing everything in a sarcastic, mocking tone, as if he's making fun of singing?


Yes, but this is worse, listen to the song and if you never noticed it before you'll notice it now.
RE: mia culpa, I didn't give billy a fair shake  
santacruzom : 7/27/2016 1:34 pm : link
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His guitar playing would freak some of you out if you heard him in a small club as i was very fotunate to witness in my youth. blues, rock the whole nine yards


Your point is probably correct, but it shouldn't be. Springsteen has been writing and performing for a living, what, over 40 years now? Unless he possesses musical aptitude that's well below average he's probably an awesome guitarist who merely doesn't perform or write in a way that would showcase his abilities too often.

I don't know enough about his own tastes and preferences to claim I can hear them expressed in his guitar playing, but I'd bet that he's more than capable in most meaningful ways. Playing guitar well enough to pull off an evocative, rocking, soulful, technical, impressive, whatever-criteria-you-hold-highest solo isn't the mystical ability most people think it is.
RE: RE: mia culpa, I didn't give billy a fair shake  
chris r : 7/27/2016 2:24 pm : link
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His guitar playing would freak some of you out if you heard him in a small club as i was very fotunate to witness in my youth. blues, rock the whole nine yards



Your point is probably correct, but it shouldn't be. Springsteen has been writing and performing for a living, what, over 40 years now? Unless he possesses musical aptitude that's well below average he's probably an awesome guitarist who merely doesn't perform or write in a way that would showcase his abilities too often.

I don't know enough about his own tastes and preferences to claim I can hear them expressed in his guitar playing, but I'd bet that he's more than capable in most meaningful ways. Playing guitar well enough to pull off an evocative, rocking, soulful, technical, impressive, whatever-criteria-you-hold-highest solo isn't the mystical ability most people think it is.


So lets say he's played 150 shows a year, each 2 hours. That's 300 hours of playing a year or about 7 hours per week.

You become a great guitarist by having talent and playing 7 hours per day, not 7 hours per week, no matter matter how many years you play.

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