Cleveland Cavaliers- 57-25
T-2 Boston Celtics- 51-31
T-2 Toronto Raptors- 51-31
T-4 Detroit Pistons- 45-37
T-4 Indiana Pacers- 45-37
Atlanta Hawks- 44-38
Charlotte Hornets- 43-39
Washington Wizards- 41-41
so many new parts and we won't even know how they will work together, if they will work together, or for how long.
(I'm probably one of the few here who doesn't think KP is a slam dunk for greatness. He took the league by surprise in the first 30 games and, to my eye, had a weak second half, players exploiting his lack of quickness and awareness on (his) D and playing him much tighter on (his) O. I'm optimistic, but with some league wide familiarity with his game, his is going to have to improve significantly to overcome the way he will be played. Yes, I'm sure part of it was fatigue and too much too soon at the NBA level, and yes he will get stronger. I think a key is how Hornacek spreads the floor and decides how best to utilize his game and whether at the 4 or 5 with certain personnel groups. Love Noah's game, but he can't go like he did in his mid-20s.)
What if they win 40 games while KP goes from phenom to franchise stud player? What if hernangomez plays well and gains experience? It would be anything but a disaster if those things occur. If rose falters the Knicks will be deficient in the backcourt and that may be enough to keep the ceiling low this season but it's not a death blow to the Knicks if that happens.
I get wanting the sexy lottery pick but there's nothing wrong with steady improvement assuming the younngrr players are right in the middle of that improvement.
What if they win 40 games while KP goes from phenom to franchise stud player? What if hernangomez plays well and gains experience? It would be anything but a disaster if those things occur. If rose falters the Knicks will be deficient in the backcourt and that may be enough to keep the ceiling low this season but it's not a death blow to the Knicks if that happens.
I get wanting the sexy lottery pick but there's nothing wrong with steady improvement assuming the younngrr players are right in the middle of that improvement.
The Knicks won 32 games with Jose Calderon as the starting PG, Carmelo Anthony missing 10 games (where they went something like 1-9), Porzingis missing 10 games and Afflalo the starting 2. If KP emerges as a franchise stud player and they only win 8 more games, miss the playoffs and don't get a premium pick the season was a disaster with the only positive being KP's emergence. If KP is "that good" and they still only win 40 games then what exactly happened? The huge money center they signed sucked/was hurt? Aging Melo was hurt? Rose sucked? It's a disaster.
so many new parts and we won't even know how they will work together, if they will work together, or for how long.
(I'm probably one of the few here who doesn't think KP is a slam dunk for greatness. He took the league by surprise in the first 30 games and, to my eye, had a weak second half, players exploiting his lack of quickness and awareness on (his) D and playing him much tighter on (his) O. I'm optimistic, but with some league wide familiarity with his game, his is going to have to improve significantly to overcome the way he will be played. Yes, I'm sure part of it was fatigue and too much too soon at the NBA level, and yes he will get stronger. I think a key is how Hornacek spreads the floor and decides how best to utilize his game and whether at the 4 or 5 with certain personnel groups. Love Noah's game, but he can't go like he did in his mid-20s.)
I could not disagree with this more. First off, he has all of the tools for greatness, all of them. The hurdles will be improving his weaknesses(low post game and strength), but they are weaknesses that can be worked on. He's also a very hard worker who started working as soon as the season ended. The only thing that will stop KP from greatness is injury.
40 wins would be a disaster. The Knicks built this team to contend.
I believe that they can(I did not say will). Obviously the keys are health and Rose's game, but this team has the pieces right now to be a top 4 seed and over the next 2 years, add a few pieces to take them to the next level. If they don't make the playoffs, it will be nothing short of a disaster.
Everyone is writing each of these guys off. Rose, Melo and Noah haven been written off to some extent over the past few years. They are all experienced, they've all been on very good teams and know what a good team looks like and they are all really excited for this squad. I'm excited to watch them prove the doubters wrong.
RE: 40 wins would be a disaster. The Knicks built this team to contend.
I believe that they can(I did not say will). Obviously the keys are health and Rose's game, but this team has the pieces right now to be a top 4 seed and over the next 2 years, add a few pieces to take them to the next level. If they don't make the playoffs, it will be nothing short of a disaster.
franchise long-term? Rose is a complete disaster, they miss the playoffs, and they have to re-address the PG position next summer? Or Rose is good, they win 50 games or so, and they give Rose a huge new contract?
franchise long-term? Rose is a complete disaster, they miss the playoffs, and they have to re-address the PG position next summer? Or Rose is good, they win 50 games or so, and they give Rose a huge new contract?
Option 3... Rose is solid enough, Knicks the playoffs, give it a solid run.Chris Paul decides he wants to join Melo and KP.
If Rose is healthy and plays well, I am fully convinced that Phil will sign him. I think this is the team he wants and he wants to build consistency with this squad. I expect this to be the team we build around for 4 years. We will add pieces(draft picks, ring chasers, exception types) around this group over the next 2 seasons.
franchise long-term? Rose is a complete disaster, they miss the playoffs, and they have to re-address the PG position next summer? Or Rose is good, they win 50 games or so, and they give Rose a huge new contract?
Option 3... Rose is solid enough, Knicks the playoffs, give it a solid run.Chris Paul decides he wants to join Melo and KP.
And if they can't get CP3 or another better option? I don't trust Phil/Mills to make the prudent decision.
When you make these kinds of move in the off season
If Rose is healthy and plays well, I am fully convinced that Phil will sign him. I think this is the team he wants and he wants to build consistency with this squad. I expect this to be the team we build around for 4 years. We will add pieces(draft picks, ring chasers, exception types) around this group over the next 2 seasons.
I fully admit I doubt Chris Paul is a Knick. Just think he would be a ridiculously good fit (I mean he's a HOFer) so he's a good fit with any team. Seems to me barring major injury he will be in his prime for at least as long as Melo is here.
should also be noted that 40 wins based on last years totals would put the Knicks 11th in wins in the East and 20th most wins in the NBA. What exactly would be the positive to take from that? Somehow KP is a breakout monster, Phil had a good off-season with Noah/Rose/Lee/Jennings and they still only win 8 more than last year? I don't see any realistic scenario where the Knicks win 40 games and people are happy with this past off-season. If they miss the playoffs Phil didn't do a very good job. I'm not expecting a title or title contention but playoffs or bust. You gave "long" deals to Lee and Noah because you felt this was building toward something. That something needs to include wins this season.
and finish in the 4 seed. They will win a round, Rose will stay relatively healthy(65 games played) and the Knicks will sign Rose to a 3 year max deal. They will continue to add talent around this core group and contend next season. My prediction.
Vin, thanks for having me. Whats your favorite NBA team this year? lol
RE: The Knicks will win at least 50 games this season
and finish in the 4 seed. They will win a round, Rose will stay relatively healthy(65 games played) and the Knicks will sign Rose to a 3 year max deal. They will continue to add talent around this core group and contend next season. My prediction.
Vin, thanks for having me. Whats your favorite NBA team this year? lol
Tough choice this year.. Thinking about taking my rooting talents to Golden State
Kidding.. Just watching for fun, still root for Detroit to do good
Jennings would have been the Knicks 3rd best player last year. He's the backup PG this year. I think they win 48-50 wins
By no measure is this correct. By PER he would have been 6th best. By WS48 he would have been 7th best, behind Calderon and Galloway. By BPM he would have been 8th best.
No, it is fair to have expectations for Jennings to be better than he was last year because of injury recovery. OTOH, there is a reason we got him for dirt cheap in a league desperate for guards who can do something.
I would make a funny title and scare the shit out of all of yous, but
-hurting his back doing a trick dunk in warmups before a playoff game (which wrecked the next season)?
-punching the glass casing around the fire extinguisher in Miami?
-converting to Judaism?
-Amber Rose?
-the offseason where he allegedly grew two inches?
-his hour long documentary on Epix?
-calling someone a f*g on twitter?
He'll be missed!
RE: I would make a funny title and scare the shit out of all of yous, but
The guy always busted his butt. He wasn't very lucky with injuries but that's not his fault. He always did he best to get back on the court and most guys would have quit a long time ago.
gambling sites have the Knicks at 40 wins. I think they easily top that with somewhere from around 47-52 wins. Though I thought the same this past year and they barley bested the 28.5 I took them at.
RE: The Knicks will win at least 50 games this season
and finish in the 4 seed. They will win a round, Rose will stay relatively healthy(65 games played) and the Knicks will sign Rose to a 3 year max deal. They will continue to add talent around this core group and contend next season. My prediction.
Vin, thanks for having me. Whats your favorite NBA team this year? lol
Im rooting like heck for Rose this year but it doesnt make sense to sign him to a max deal unless he plays close to MVP Rose AND we feel the injury bug is behind him. The alternatives are just too good in Paul and Westbrook.
If we couldve went over the cap for him thats one thing but its mitigated by a 30mill cap hold.
gambling sites have the Knicks at 40 wins. I think they easily top that with somewhere from around 47-52 wins. Though I thought the same this past year and they barley bested the 28.5 I took them at.
I like the optimism but I think 47-52 is a little high. I'm thinking more in the 45-48 range. But who knows - let's see them play a little first.
The Amare contract was one of the 3 worst in the history of
And KP is a huge reason why it will be a disaster? No it won't. It will be a disappointment but the team will still be fine from an asset mgmt pov and be positioned for better things to come. They will probably do better than 40 wins but context matters here. It's all about KP. Rose is practically house money. The Knicks could win 42 games with Noah playing well. Their backcourt could struggle again and that could hold the Knicks back.
Whatever it's a not worth arguing over but disaster is a strong word to use. Disaster encompsasses a team with absolutely no hope. That wouldn't be the case here.
And KP is a huge reason why it will be a disaster? No it won't. It will be a disappointment but the team will still be fine from an asset mgmt pov and be positioned for better things to come. They will probably do better than 40 wins but context matters here. It's all about KP. Rose is practically house money. The Knicks could win 42 games with Noah playing well. Their backcourt could struggle again and that could hold the Knicks back.
Whatever it's a not worth arguing over but disaster is a strong word to use. Disaster encompsasses a team with absolutely no hope. That wouldn't be the case here.
Knicks will hover around 45-54 wins.
If KP is a monster than a lot has to go wrong for them to finish 2 games under .500. They have Carmelo Anthony, Courtney Lee, Joakim Noah, Derrick Rose, Jennings, + the 2 Euros + Lance Thomas etc etc. 40 wins is bottom 3rd of the league in wins. Yes, a disaster. Maybe it would be a disaster with a silver lining being KP but it would also almost certainly mean Phil's off-season signings were busts. Not just one. Multiple.
He barely earned 20% (at best) of an intractable contract that seriously harmed the team's ability to improve itself beyond a certain level. These are the results of the 3 playoff series he played in... was injured and became ineffective, injured himself with a tantrum, and contributed next to nothing in the third series.
(I'm probably one of the few here who doesn't think KP is a slam dunk for greatness. He took the league by surprise in the first 30 games and, to my eye, had a weak second half, players exploiting his lack of quickness and awareness on (his) D and playing him much tighter on (his) O. I'm optimistic, but with some league wide familiarity with his game, his is going to have to improve significantly to overcome the way he will be played. Yes, I'm sure part of it was fatigue and too much too soon at the NBA level, and yes he will get stronger. I think a key is how Hornacek spreads the floor and decides how best to utilize his game and whether at the 4 or 5 with certain personnel groups. Love Noah's game, but he can't go like he did in his mid-20s.)
I get wanting the sexy lottery pick but there's nothing wrong with steady improvement assuming the younngrr players are right in the middle of that improvement.
it also says if rose and noah are healthy they are severely short changing the knicks...
so basically click bait
I get wanting the sexy lottery pick but there's nothing wrong with steady improvement assuming the younngrr players are right in the middle of that improvement.
The Knicks won 32 games with Jose Calderon as the starting PG, Carmelo Anthony missing 10 games (where they went something like 1-9), Porzingis missing 10 games and Afflalo the starting 2. If KP emerges as a franchise stud player and they only win 8 more games, miss the playoffs and don't get a premium pick the season was a disaster with the only positive being KP's emergence. If KP is "that good" and they still only win 40 games then what exactly happened? The huge money center they signed sucked/was hurt? Aging Melo was hurt? Rose sucked? It's a disaster.
#2 Aaron Afflalo
#5 Langston Galloway
#6 Jose Calderon
#7 Derrick Williams
#9 Jerian Grant
If KP emerges as some beast and the Knicks can only eek out 8 more wins with this roster something went very, very wrong (likely multiple things).
(I'm probably one of the few here who doesn't think KP is a slam dunk for greatness. He took the league by surprise in the first 30 games and, to my eye, had a weak second half, players exploiting his lack of quickness and awareness on (his) D and playing him much tighter on (his) O. I'm optimistic, but with some league wide familiarity with his game, his is going to have to improve significantly to overcome the way he will be played. Yes, I'm sure part of it was fatigue and too much too soon at the NBA level, and yes he will get stronger. I think a key is how Hornacek spreads the floor and decides how best to utilize his game and whether at the 4 or 5 with certain personnel groups. Love Noah's game, but he can't go like he did in his mid-20s.)
I could not disagree with this more. First off, he has all of the tools for greatness, all of them. The hurdles will be improving his weaknesses(low post game and strength), but they are weaknesses that can be worked on. He's also a very hard worker who started working as soon as the season ended. The only thing that will stop KP from greatness is injury.
kmed?
If Rose plays anywhere near his pre-injury potential I think they win minimum 44-45.
Option 3... Rose is solid enough, Knicks the playoffs, give it a solid run.Chris Paul decides he wants to join Melo and KP.
#2 Aaron Afflalo
#5 Langston Galloway
#6 Jose Calderon
#7 Derrick Williams
#9 Jerian Grant
If KP emerges as some beast and the Knicks can only eek out 8 more wins with this roster something went very, very wrong (likely multiple things).
Have to agree with Dan here. 40 games would be a disaster.
Jennings would have been the Knicks 3rd best player last year. He's the backup PG this year. I think they win 48-50 wins
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franchise long-term? Rose is a complete disaster, they miss the playoffs, and they have to re-address the PG position next summer? Or Rose is good, they win 50 games or so, and they give Rose a huge new contract?
Option 3... Rose is solid enough, Knicks the playoffs, give it a solid run.Chris Paul decides he wants to join Melo and KP.
And if they can't get CP3 or another better option? I don't trust Phil/Mills to make the prudent decision.
That said I expect they will win a lot more than 40
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Vin, thanks for having me. Whats your favorite NBA team this year? lol
Vin, thanks for having me. Whats your favorite NBA team this year? lol
Tough choice this year.. Thinking about taking my rooting talents to Golden State
Kidding.. Just watching for fun, still root for Detroit to do good
Jennings would have been the Knicks 3rd best player last year. He's the backup PG this year. I think they win 48-50 wins
By no measure is this correct. By PER he would have been 6th best. By WS48 he would have been 7th best, behind Calderon and Galloway. By BPM he would have been 8th best.
No, it is fair to have expectations for Jennings to be better than he was last year because of injury recovery. OTOH, there is a reason we got him for dirt cheap in a league desperate for guards who can do something.
-punching the glass casing around the fire extinguisher in Miami?
-converting to Judaism?
-Amber Rose?
-the offseason where he allegedly grew two inches?
-his hour long documentary on Epix?
-calling someone a f*g on twitter?
He'll be missed!
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Looking for a moving company in nyc asap please.
-converting to Judaism?
As long as it was for the right reasons - ie, not for the jokes.
except for the two that were his fault - with both taking place during the playoffs.
Vin, thanks for having me. Whats your favorite NBA team this year? lol
Im rooting like heck for Rose this year but it doesnt make sense to sign him to a max deal unless he plays close to MVP Rose AND we feel the injury bug is behind him. The alternatives are just too good in Paul and Westbrook.
If we couldve went over the cap for him thats one thing but its mitigated by a 30mill cap hold.
I like the optimism but I think 47-52 is a little high. I'm thinking more in the 45-48 range. But who knows - let's see them play a little first.
To finish 9th I'd think they'd have to lose one or a combo of Rose, Melo or Kris for half or more of the season.
A relatively healthy Knicks team, constructed this way, doesn't miss the playoffs, imo.
Whatever it's a not worth arguing over but disaster is a strong word to use. Disaster encompsasses a team with absolutely no hope. That wouldn't be the case here.
Knicks will hover around 45-54 wins.
Whatever it's a not worth arguing over but disaster is a strong word to use. Disaster encompsasses a team with absolutely no hope. That wouldn't be the case here.
Knicks will hover around 45-54 wins.
If KP is a monster than a lot has to go wrong for them to finish 2 games under .500. They have Carmelo Anthony, Courtney Lee, Joakim Noah, Derrick Rose, Jennings, + the 2 Euros + Lance Thomas etc etc. 40 wins is bottom 3rd of the league in wins. Yes, a disaster. Maybe it would be a disaster with a silver lining being KP but it would also almost certainly mean Phil's off-season signings were busts. Not just one. Multiple.
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No, it wasnt.