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NGT: Randy Gregory had another Substance Abuse Violation

jlukes : 7/26/2016 1:54 pm
Ed Werder & #8207;@Edwerderespn 9m9 minutes ago
Sources: Cowboys pass-rusher Randy Gregory has checked into treatment facility, won't report to training camp. Already suspended

Adam Schefter & #8207;@AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
Randy Gregory had another violation of NFL’s substance abuse policy and is now facing a longer suspension, sources tell @toddarcher and me
Safe to assume he is done for at least the first 10 games of the year  
jlukes : 7/26/2016 1:57 pm : link
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What an idiot  
montanagiant : 7/26/2016 1:58 pm : link
another failed test while already under suspension
didn't he fail one last month too  
UConn4523 : 7/26/2016 1:58 pm : link
or was that someone else?
he was already suspended 4 games (announced back in February)  
jlukes : 7/26/2016 1:59 pm : link
this is going to be an additional suspension on top of that
Does that make it an automatic  
Fred in Atlanta : 7/26/2016 1:59 pm : link
1 Year suspension?
naughty naughty  
Greg from LI : 7/26/2016 1:59 pm : link
Bring Hardy back  
Giants2012 : 7/26/2016 2:00 pm : link
How bout them Cowboys!!!!!'
I think 10 games, presumably on top of the 4 already.  
BlueLou : 7/26/2016 2:01 pm : link
14 total?

Where Cowboys' fanboy at now?
They knew  
Pete in MD : 7/26/2016 2:01 pm : link
what they were getting in to with him. He failed the drug test at the combine.
South America's Team 2.0.  
Klaatu : 7/26/2016 2:01 pm : link
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Some info on the policy  
jlukes : 7/26/2016 2:02 pm : link
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Intervention Program

The intervention program is for players who have failed a drug test, have questionable behavior (arrests or psychological signs of substance abuse), or refer themselves. The intervention program has three stages.

Stage One

The medical director evaluates a player and comes up with a treatment plan for him at which point the player receives treatment through a clinician or facility. The player agrees to release information about his progress to the medical director. He is also subject to substance abuse testing.

A player can be in Stage One for up to 90 days. If stage one is completed successfully, the player is discharged. If not, he moves on to Stage Two. The "if not" usually includes failed tests or noncompliance in treatment.

Violations during Stage One result in a fine.

Stage Two

Stage Two lasts for 24 months or two full seasons and is similar to Stage One in terms of the treatment plan, testing, and violation. During this stage, however, consequences are more severe. In addition to a fine, players with infractions during Stage Two face a four-game suspension.

Subsequent infractions result in a suspension of four to six games. These players also advance to Stage Three.

Players who complete Stage Two are discharged from the program and start over at Stage One if they have another violation, just like first-time offenders.

Stage Three

Stage Three, like the other two stages, involves complying with a treatment plan and submitting to unannounced drug tests. The consequences for violations during Stage Three are much more severe: The player faces a year-long ban from the NFL. If the first violation in Stage Three is for marijuana, the player receives a 10-game suspension instead of a year-long ban.

Interestingly, the NFL commissioner is in charge of reinstating players after their one-year bans.

Stage Three players can expect to stay at this level for the rest of their careers unless they are discharged at the discretion of the medical director.

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Can make this stuff up ...  
Beer Man : 7/26/2016 2:03 pm : link
the Cowboys self destructive behavior continues
So basically, this should be at least 10 games  
jlukes : 7/26/2016 2:03 pm : link
on top of the 4 games he was already serving
Can =  
Beer Man : 7/26/2016 2:04 pm : link
Can't
RE: South America's Team 2.0.  
BlueLou : 7/26/2016 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13045661 Klaatu said:
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I LOLED.
Sure some people overcome  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/26/2016 2:05 pm : link
Issues like this but this kid fell like a rock for a reason. And as someone who would love to get into the legal marijuana biz to make millions I couldn't care less. But God damn this kid is a moron. Him Will Hill Josh Gordon. Manziel. And what pisses me off is the NFL and teams offer help to break addiction most common people would kill to get. I don't wish kids like this mentioned but what another a waste of opportunity

Cowboys don't get it. Haley this clown. They love the dumb asses

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Vin R : 7/26/2016 2:06 pm : link
RE: They knew  
Fred in Atlanta : 7/26/2016 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13045660 Pete in MD said:
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what they were getting in to with him. He failed the drug test at the combine.


They got the steal of the draft, it is just that they did not know he was the only one stealing anything (his salary).
Awesome.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/26/2016 2:09 pm : link
Thanks, Rando!
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David in LA : 7/26/2016 2:09 pm : link
The other Jerry strikes again  
ghost718 : 7/26/2016 2:09 pm : link
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LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2016 2:10 pm : link
So when he comes back, in Week 14,  
TheBigBlueOne : 7/26/2016 2:19 pm : link
the Cowboys are going to be the team to beat.
Hope Mr. Gregory  
RAIN : 7/26/2016 2:19 pm : link
finds his way. Hopefully its nothing more than weed.
Apparently,  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/26/2016 2:21 pm : link
he has a baby on the way, too. Not a good look. Got to get your shit together when you have a baby on the way. Even if it is "just" pot.
Welp  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/26/2016 2:32 pm : link
bye

Jones will sign a pale of dog shit  
Bluesbreaker : 7/26/2016 2:33 pm : link
if it helps him win E Elliot seems to fit the profile as
well ..Had the Balls to draft Jaylon Smith and who else
Maliek Collins and Charles Tapper ....
I mean who the hell they got to rush the passer ....lol
good luck trying to cover us especially if Cruz starts to
shine again hope Eli hangs 50 on them .
Opening Night can't get here soon enough .....
RE: Hope Mr. Gregory  
SGMen : 7/26/2016 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13045701 RAIN said:
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finds his way. Hopefully its nothing more than weed.
My sentiments exactly. I hope he finds his way and that it is just weed. Marijuana is a drug, don't let anyone kid you it is addictive. Who doesn't know someone that smokes too much pot?

Right now, Dallas has 3 defensive starters out for game 1 including both starting DE's and a LB. How will Dallas bring pressure? Not likely that they have enough backup personnel of merit & ability to make it happen. Eli should have a field day assuming our units stay healthy through camp.
RE: Jones will sign a pale of dog shit  
SGMen : 7/26/2016 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13045726 Bluesbreaker said:
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if it helps him win E Elliot seems to fit the profile as
well ..Had the Balls to draft Jaylon Smith and who else
Maliek Collins and Charles Tapper ....
I mean who the hell they got to rush the passer ....lol
good luck trying to cover us especially if Cruz starts to
shine again hope Eli hangs 50 on them .
Opening Night can't get here soon enough .....
Imagine if Dallas has injuries to any key defensive guys in camp, particularly "Mr. Concussion, LB Sean Lee" - the Dallas defense for the first four games should really struggle.

I would be thrilled if we came out and just crushed them, say 49-17 or something like that. Our offense has continuity on its side. I also believe WR Cruz will bounce back and be productive. That will make this offense very, very hard to stop indeed.
Troubled kid  
Deej : 7/26/2016 2:51 pm : link
feel bad for him. I've seen reports that he's suffering from depression (maybe bipolar) and anxiety. Not laughing matters.
I hope he finds his way to the  
Carl in CT : 7/26/2016 2:54 pm : link
Unemployment Line!
RE: Troubled kid  
Dunedin81 : 7/26/2016 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13045760 Deej said:
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feel bad for him. I've seen reports that he's suffering from depression (maybe bipolar) and anxiety. Not laughing matters.


All kidding aside, he's in the Dez Bryant category of having some serious issues upstairs. His crazy hasn't, to my recollection, manifested itself as McClain's has, or even as Greg Hardy's temper has. So a degree of schadenfreude may be fair (how much better might our defense have been with Will Hill at safety?) but hopefully the kid can get his head screwed on straight.
At draft time  
mrvax : 7/26/2016 3:06 pm : link
I would have drafted a young QB if I were Jerry. Now with this happening, you have to wonder if drafting a guy like Buckner would have been the best choice.
RE: At draft time  
Mr. Bungle : 7/26/2016 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13045792 mrvax said:
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I would have drafted a young QB if I were Jerry. Now with this happening, you have to wonder if drafting a guy like Buckner would have been the best choice.

Like Dak Prescott?
Well, that was a good pick  
lugnut : 7/26/2016 3:20 pm : link
Has this guy even played a regular-season down for the Boys yet?

So far, ALL he's done in the NFL is get suspended.

And yes, weed use known at the Combine and during the Draft.
RE: Well, that was a good pick  
giants#1 : 7/26/2016 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13045820 lugnut said:
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Has this guy even played a regular-season down for the Boys yet?

So far, ALL he's done in the NFL is get suspended.

And yes, weed use known at the Combine and during the Draft.


Played enough snaps to get pancaked by Flowers!!
....and now it's time for all the media draft experts that lauded the  
Tom in NY : 7/26/2016 3:33 pm : link
Cowboys for taking him as the "steal of the draft."

I wonder when they'll come on the air with their admissions?
RE: RE: Hope Mr. Gregory  
Milton : 7/26/2016 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13045738 SGMen said:
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Marijuana is a drug, don't let anyone kid you, it is addictive. Who doesn't know someone that smokes too much pot?
Yes, but who doesn't know someone who eats too much pizza or drinks too much soda? Everything you put in your mouth is a drug that can be abused.
Pot is mildly addicting to some. But MUCH MUCH less addicting then  
DennyInDenville : 7/26/2016 3:51 pm : link
Cigs, alcohol, Xanax, caffeine and many other legal drugs.


So yeah there's that.
After 3-4 days quitting pot becomes all mental  
DennyInDenville : 7/26/2016 3:53 pm : link
Only physical withdrawals are mild irritability, altered appetite, vivid dreams and boredom then it all passes after 3-4 days unlike the others mentioned.

Cigs can take atleast a week or two minimum.
Alcohol can take weeks
Xanax can take MONTHs or Years!
Caffeine can take a week as well
RE: RE: RE: Hope Mr. Gregory  
SGMen : 7/26/2016 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13045860 Milton said:
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In comment 13045738 SGMen said:


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Marijuana is a drug, don't let anyone kid you, it is addictive. Who doesn't know someone that smokes too much pot?

Yes, but who doesn't know someone who eats too much pizza or drinks too much soda? Everything you put in your mouth is a drug that can be abused.
Milton, absolutely agree! My point is that if it is weed, it is addictive and not easy to kick. No addiction is easy to kick, especially one that is mind and mood altering. I have had times in my own life when I've NEEDED sleeping pills; when Ive eaten my way to overweight out of boredom and NEEDED it; when I've worked out way more than I should; and ETC. I get it. I am a 100% disabled combat veteran and understand fully what STRESS can do to us. It takes time to heal. It is a process.

These guys are "very young men" with the weight of the world on their shoulders. Often too immature to handle things. They look for relief in all the wrong ways and sometimes they get sucked into things (sex, women, drugs, alcohol).

I remember going to a bar near Giants stadium. I think it was 1998 or 1999, and me and my friends were talking to the bartender. In comes S Tito Wooten of the Giants and he goes upstairs somewhere. The bartender said he runs a 2,000 a week tab or something to that effect! He had just re-signed with the Giants and the team doesn't know he has a drinking / party problem? It happens, and these guys need professional medical help and our prayers. That is how I come out.
I would love to see the video  
Jay on the Island : 7/26/2016 4:49 pm : link
where Jerry Jones and company were celebrating in the war room after they took Gregory and Jones sat back with this smug look on his face like he had just outsmarted the rest of the NFL front offices.
RE: I would love to see the video  
SGMen : 7/26/2016 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13045972 Jay on the Island said:
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where Jerry Jones and company were celebrating in the war room after they took Gregory and Jones sat back with this smug look on his face like he had just outsmarted the rest of the NFL front offices.
Jerry Jones is my favorite owner and Snyder is my next favorite. They are both asses in their own ways and as long as they are in charge we have a chance!
RE: RE: RE: Hope Mr. Gregory  
mrvax : 7/26/2016 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13045860 Milton said:
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Everything you put in your mouth is a drug that can be abused.


or up your butt!
RE: After 3-4 days quitting pot becomes all mental  
j_rud : 7/26/2016 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13045875 DennyInDenville said:
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Only physical withdrawals are mild irritability, altered appetite, vivid dreams and boredom then it all passes after 3-4 days unlike the others mentioned.

Cigs can take atleast a week or two minimum.
Alcohol can take weeks
Xanax can take MONTHs or Years!
Caffeine can take a week as well


Ummm...none of the symptoms you listed is actually physical. They're all mental. Yes, even appetite. Which is controlled by...you guessed it, the brain!
too bad  
bc4life : 7/26/2016 5:24 pm : link
wouldn't wish that on anyone
RE: RE: After 3-4 days quitting pot becomes all mental  
SGMen : 7/26/2016 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13045990 j_rud said:
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In comment 13045875 DennyInDenville said:


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Only physical withdrawals are mild irritability, altered appetite, vivid dreams and boredom then it all passes after 3-4 days unlike the others mentioned.

Cigs can take atleast a week or two minimum.
Alcohol can take weeks
Xanax can take MONTHs or Years!
Caffeine can take a week as well



Ummm...none of the symptoms you listed is actually physical. They're all mental. Yes, even appetite. Which is controlled by...you guessed it, the brain!
If you have ever studied addiction, and I have, if you go to a conference or read professional literature, you'll know that any MRI of a person that uses mood and mind altering substances (even Rx like Xanax) the brain changes. It doesn't work the way it was designed to work.

My understanding based on my studies is that it takes 4 months for "major healing" to occur in the brain. It takes 9 to 24 months for the brain to fully recover from a bad addiction. Depends who you believe and the criteria being applied. Why do so many addicts do well for say six months and seem perfect and than BOOM they pick up thebottle or the bag or the Rx again out of nowhere? Because the brain and thought process hasn't fully changed, hasn't fully healed. It is so easy to think we are "OK" when we aren't.
RE: RE: RE: After 3-4 days quitting pot becomes all mental  
j_rud : 7/26/2016 5:54 pm : link
In comment 13046017 SGMen said:
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In comment 13045990 j_rud said:


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In comment 13045875 DennyInDenville said:


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Only physical withdrawals are mild irritability, altered appetite, vivid dreams and boredom then it all passes after 3-4 days unlike the others mentioned.

Cigs can take atleast a week or two minimum.
Alcohol can take weeks
Xanax can take MONTHs or Years!
Caffeine can take a week as well



Ummm...none of the symptoms you listed is actually physical. They're all mental. Yes, even appetite. Which is controlled by...you guessed it, the brain!

If you have ever studied addiction, and I have, if you go to a conference or read professional literature, you'll know that any MRI of a person that uses mood and mind altering substances (even Rx like Xanax) the brain changes. It doesn't work the way it was designed to work.

My understanding based on my studies is that it takes 4 months for "major healing" to occur in the brain. It takes 9 to 24 months for the brain to fully recover from a bad addiction. Depends who you believe and the criteria being applied. Why do so many addicts do well for say six months and seem perfect and than BOOM they pick up thebottle or the bag or the Rx again out of nowhere? Because the brain and thought process hasn't fully changed, hasn't fully healed. It is so easy to think we are "OK" when we aren't.


I wasn't suggesting there isn't any withdrawal, I said the symptoms he listed weren't physical, but mental/psychological. As for that last paragraph all you had to say was "post acute withdrawal". I work in mental health and I have very personal reasons for doing so. Catch my drift?
unless you're an addiction specialist  
B in ALB : 7/26/2016 6:48 pm : link
or physician or professionally qualified to speak intelligently on these issues I'd suggest just canning it. So much bad advice and nonsense can be taken seriously.


That said.



RE: unless you're an addiction specialist  
BlueLou : 7/26/2016 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13046081 B in ALB said:
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or physician or professionally qualified to speak intelligently on these issues I'd suggest just canning it. So much bad advice and nonsense can be taken seriously.


That said.




So ended all discussion on BBI, except Bill2's elucidations of US ME oil policy.
he will be out of the league  
OBJ_AllDay : 7/27/2016 1:01 am : link
in 3 years or less
another Cowboy  
Paulie Walnuts : 7/27/2016 1:32 am : link
bust
RE: another Cowboy  
SGMen : 7/27/2016 1:36 am : link
In comment 13046334 Paulie Walnuts said:
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bust
Better them than us I say!
RE: RE: unless you're an addiction specialist  
B in ALB : 7/27/2016 3:15 am : link
In comment 13046192 BlueLou said:
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In comment 13046081 B in ALB said:


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or physician or professionally qualified to speak intelligently on these issues I'd suggest just canning it. So much bad advice and nonsense can be taken seriously.


That said.






So ended all discussion on BBI, except Bill2's elucidations of US ME oil policy.


Wait. What? You're snarky comment doesn't really show well BL. Are you suggesting that ill-informed comments about legitimate mental and physical health and well being are welcome here?
B - not meant to be snarky at all.  
BlueLou : 7/27/2016 6:30 am : link
Certainly not referring to ill informed comments about mental health issues. CERTAINLY not, I grew up with a dad with issues and lost my baby brother with his mental health issues, I cannot and will not speak with him at all since his behavior around the time of our mom's passing.

Usually I am among the few voices here that tries to paint addiction and other mental health issues in the light of illnesses rather than mere weakness as most of BBI and frankly America categorizes them.

I thought you were joking with that photo, so made a joke in turn about the typical level of knowledge in posts here on all manner of subjects aside from good steak and microbrews about which I think we have really really good and informed conversations.

Lost in translation I guess, my bad.

I am not prone to poke fun at mental illness and addictions AT ALL.

Excuse me for interrupting you officer!
This is exactly why you don't spend high draft picks on players with  
PatersonPlank : 7/27/2016 9:38 am : link
problems. Wasting a top 2-3 pick is a disaster for a franchise. People get so enamored with only talent that they overlook everything else. This guy was a known headcase. The same goes for guys wearing bong masks on video, failing drug tests when they know the tests are coming, and constantly getting in fights and/or police situations. You just can't take the risk
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