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NFT: WWE brand split discussion RAW vs Smackdown

NYG27 : 7/26/2016 2:03 pm
Now that we are a week removed from the WWE Draft, curious to get everyone's feedback on the roster split up between Raw and Smackdown.

Looking at RAW, looks like they got the majority of the lion's share of the top end talent.

Selections of Lesnar, Rollins, Reigns, Zayn and Owens are all very strong selections. Even for every crappy selection like Big Show, Mark Henry or Chris Jericho, you got a Finn Baylor, Rusev and Cesaro to off set them.

They got the two best Tag Teams with New Day, Enzo\Cass and got the top villain tag team of the Club Gallows and Anderson.

Women's division, they got the three best and most popular wrestlers in Charlotte, Sasha and Paige.

Not to mention that RAW will exclusively feature the WWE's cruiser-weight division, only adds more value.

On top of all that, they also boot off JBL from the announcers table, which is nothing but positive for the overall broadcast.

Smackdown roster looks weak to me. Initially Shane said he wanted to feature the younger and more hungrier wrestlers but they instead took the older and stale wrestlers on the WWE roster.

Guys like Jon Cena, Randy Orton, The Miz, Alberto Del Rio and Kane are extremely stale and tired of watching them.

Hopefully Shane will feature some of the newer talent like Dean Ambrose, AJ Styles, Bray Wyatt, Baron Corbin and give some of the guys that were in the WWE doghouse like Dolph Ziggler and Zack Ryder another shot.

Tag Team division looks extremely weak with the tired act of the Usos only competition being crappy heel teams like Ascension and Vaudvillains.

Women's division looks weak also. I like Becky Lynch but you really did need one of Charlotte\Sasha\Paige on this roster to even it out more. Natalya has been around forever and has become stale to watch. Naomi is ok too but not much else here besides under performing Eva Marie and Carmella.



Another interesting point  
NYG27 : 7/26/2016 2:05 pm : link
WWE overall kept majority of the off-screen couples on the same brand, so they can travel together.

Only one they seemed to break up is Paige and Alberto Del Rio.
I like what they did in theory  
UConn4523 : 7/26/2016 2:08 pm : link
but only if they promote new talent properly with Smackdown. I mentioned it in the other thread but they need to get healthy, phase out these old timers, and start marketing the younger crop of wrestlers. Enough with the Cena's and Lesnar's.
RE: Another interesting point  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/26/2016 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13045671 NYG27 said:
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WWE overall kept majority of the off-screen couples on the same brand, so they can travel together.

Only one they seemed to break up is Paige and Alberto Del Rio.


Carmella and Big Case also got split up.
RE: RE: Another interesting point  
NYG27 : 7/26/2016 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13045687 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13045671 NYG27 said:


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WWE overall kept majority of the off-screen couples on the same brand, so they can travel together.

Only one they seemed to break up is Paige and Alberto Del Rio.



Carmella and Big Case also got split up.


Forgot about that, they should have swapped Summer Rae with Carmella. Surprised they didn't team up Carmella with Enzo and Cass like they did on NXT.
Splitting up the women's division was stupid  
Anakim : 7/26/2016 2:19 pm : link
There's simply not enough talent for them to be doing that. I understand they wanted to make a statement and they did by choosing a woman #3 overall, but it's kind of foolish.
the actual draft  
UConn4523 : 7/26/2016 2:28 pm : link
was the dumbest thing I ever saw. I mistakenly got excited for it, but what a waste of time.
The whole WWE Iniverse title absolutely blows  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/26/2016 2:46 pm : link
They are minimizing the main title and Smackdown in general.

I prefer there be a Raw and Smackdown champion and then 1 floating overall WWE champion.
Yeah, I got kind of excited to see  
illmatic : 7/26/2016 2:59 pm : link
how it would turn out but the draft did suck. All of the most exciting wrestlers went to Raw. Smackdown only got a few good ones.

I like the idea of making things more streamlined and having better potential matches on each show with the smaller rosters. But it's like for every step forward they take, they take another step back. Because making a WWE Universal Champion is really stupid. Just have a Smackdown and Raw champion if you need to do that. Plus the WWE heavyweight champ. So much for building up the IC title like they said they wanted to do a while back. So what's the Universal champ supposed to be? Below the heavyweight champ? Equal to it? I sure hope they're not supposed to be equal. It's just silly.

But the women's division does have a lot of great talent and it doesn't hurt too much to split them up. The only problems are that they need to call up more women from NXT like Bayley. And if there's only 2 or 3 "top" women on each show, we'll probably keep getting the same terrible feuds over and over again.

I'm not sure how the tag titles will work. So if a tag team is on Smackdown, they'll never have a shot at the titles since New Day is on Raw? It's just weird.

I feel like they had a great reason to have a brand split but it's just not being executed that well. Like it wasn't thought out well enough before having the draft.
Wrestling Fans  
NYG27 : 7/26/2016 3:12 pm : link
Most fans I speak too have limited time on hand to watch all the different programming. It's hard to find time for RAW, Smackdown and NXT.

At this point, I'm going to punt Smackdown and pretty sure I won't miss it much. Outside of Dean, AJ Styles and Becky Lynch, all the wrestlers I want to watch are all on RAW.
Wrestling will never be perfect  
Old Dirty Beckham : 7/26/2016 3:19 pm : link
Once you're old enough it's hard to not see things coming especially in an age where rumors are impossible to avoid.

If they didnt have a champion on Raw people would complain there is only a champion on smackdown. Now people complain there are champions on both shows.

At the end of the day you have to just take it in stride. I enjoy the athleticism in the show and recognize the story lines are geared towards kids and not me.

I think the in ring performances are at an all time high. The network at 9.99 is worth the three hours a month i get together with friends and watch the PPV over some beers.
Wrestling won't be good until they go back to NC-17  
Anakim : 7/26/2016 3:20 pm : link
I know, I know, I sound like a shill, but it's true. PG is simply dampening the product (I understand it's a money-maker, but the quality of the product suffers).


Take Bayley. Fantastic wrestler; horrible gimmick. She needs to turn heel, strip off her clothes ala Sable and Debra and break little Izzy's heart.



Turn the kids off.
I don't know Bayley personally and I'm sure she earns awesome dough  
Anakim : 7/26/2016 3:24 pm : link
from this gimmick, but I bet it would kill a lot of people to have a "hugging" gimmick



And just how much better would Enzo Amore be without constraints?
RE: Wrestling won't be good until they go back to NC-17  
NYG27 : 7/26/2016 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13045821 Anakim said:
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I know, I know, I sound like a shill, but it's true. PG is simply dampening the product (I understand it's a money-maker, but the quality of the product suffers).


I wonder if the WWE would ever create a NC-17 brand (similar to old ECW) for the WWE Network since it'd be hard to promote and sell ad time for a program like that on regular networks.

If they keep it only on their own WWE Network, then I can see something like that working.
Definitely not  
jlukes : 7/26/2016 3:44 pm : link
they are a public company and they would not have their brand, or a sub brand like that
RE: Wrestling won't be good until they go back to NC-17  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/26/2016 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13045821 Anakim said:
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I know, I know, I sound like a shill, but it's true. PG is simply dampening the product (I understand it's a money-maker, but the quality of the product suffers).


Take Bayley. Fantastic wrestler; horrible gimmick. She needs to turn heel, strip off her clothes ala Sable and Debra and break little Izzy's heart.



Turn the kids off.



I think WWE loves her for exactly what she is and she's going to Milk the fuck out of that gimmick. They needed someone to inspire little girls and grow that side of the market and she'll do exactly that.
RE: RE: Wrestling won't be good until they go back to NC-17  
Anakim : 7/26/2016 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13045884 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13045821 Anakim said:


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I know, I know, I sound like a shill, but it's true. PG is simply dampening the product (I understand it's a money-maker, but the quality of the product suffers).


Take Bayley. Fantastic wrestler; horrible gimmick. She needs to turn heel, strip off her clothes ala Sable and Debra and break little Izzy's heart.



Turn the kids off.




I think WWE loves her for exactly what she is and she's going to Milk the fuck out of that gimmick. They needed someone to inspire little girls and grow that side of the market and she'll do exactly that.


It sucks though. Fuck that gimmick and fuck the little kids watching what should be a profane show.
Watch  
BIG FRED 1973 : 7/26/2016 4:26 pm : link
Lucha Underground if you want an NC-17 type of wrestling ,even TNA has had its share of the last few months .WWE will never go back to that .I grew up on juice and steel cage matches .I really miss that era
RE: Watch  
Anakim : 7/26/2016 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13045932 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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Lucha Underground if you want an NC-17 type of wrestling ,even TNA has had its share of the last few months .WWE will never go back to that .I grew up on juice and steel cage matches .I really miss that era


Love LU, but I thought the first season was better than the second.


Taya looks like a hotter Anna Paquin and Catrina/Maxine is a flat-out smokeshow.
yeesh  
UConn4523 : 7/26/2016 4:42 pm : link
most of if not all of these women wrestler are pretty beat looking. Taya is pretty disgusting.
The split should have been  
JohnF : 7/26/2016 7:10 pm : link
1) RAW, with the best of the WWE and
2) NXT, instead of Smackdown.

Pit RAW vs NXT. That might get some real heat, instead of what they have now.
So a heel will need to win tonight to face Dean at Summerslam, right?  
jlukes : 7/26/2016 8:34 pm : link
So that means Corbin, Wyatt or AJ?
Dolph!  
jlukes : 7/26/2016 9:56 pm : link
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Surprised  
BIG FRED 1973 : 7/27/2016 7:26 am : link
it was Dolph ,Good for him ..Now this show is only 2 hours which means they may bring back a sunday night heat type deal for the network for the extra hour that was not shown on tv
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