Many pundits, odds-makers and fans error in prognosticating 2016 performance by using the past as reference. The principal reason, who is orchestrating the formation of the roster and what are the guidelines being implemented to complete the process. Secondly the impact the new unit coaches ability to instruct will have, given their past performance and impressive resumes.Thirdly is the makeup of the athletes competing in every facet and unit formulating its composition. Finally blaming the GM Reese for inadequate player development and mismanagement of homegrown talent during the past regime.
Beginning with HC McAdoo, to begin to understand his potential and anticipate his performance the traits that are part of his identity must be considered. The small town roots, dedication to excel, unwavering work ethic, preparedness and commitment, presents a promising recipe for success.
The O coaching staff has 4 members with OC experience at the NFL level. OL coach Solari units have been among the best and most dominant during his tenure. WR coach Henry has help develop dynamic WR prospects that have found huge success in the NFL. On D DL coach Graham is a pupil of coach Belichick and LB coach McGovern has developed many prospects who attained NFL prominence. All were all absent in the past regime and the units they now direct were all considered a liability.
The talent pool has received a massive infusion of youth, athleticism and competitive drive. As every unit, outside QB, can expect turnover in personnel. I believe many veterans will face steep challenges in trying to hold on to their roster spots. The increase level of talent and competition will be reflected in the performance of the individual units.
Finally the GM Reese has been criticized heavily about failing to supplement the talent pool either; through the draft, FA's or UDFA in the not to distant past. I offer in his defense that the failure of developing available talent, retaining young core assets and maintaining the health of the existing roster falls squarely on the HC and his coaching staff. Remembering the old adage "the definition of insanity is continuously repeat the same process and expecting different results".
Finally what has been witnessed to date is a reversal of certain trends, most glaring the absence of non-contact injury this spring. Therefore pay little attention to the naysayers who use past performance as a barometer to future production, for their founding evidence supports faulty premise. Outside of the 2 constants Eli Manning and OBJ, the remaining contingent will only be determined by those who seize the opportunity and flourish in the attrition of competition.
I believe there is an energy, anticipation and excitement, manifesting at Metlife Stadium. You can see it in the demeanor of the FO, HC & staff and players. The vision is consistently reaffirmed, the confidence and expectations expressed without reservation by all. I can't shake the belief that we may again experience another magic season, only now devoid of in season swoon, reflecting 2008 before Burress's lapse in judgement and 2007 finish.
That being said, lets march onward with Big Blue! Leave the past were it belongs and embrace the promise of the future.
If that's so why the BIG turnover in personnel and the opening of the bank for new talent?
Methinks you have predetermined purpose rather than an objective discussion.
About those injuries...oh yes Coughlin did it purposely . I think the Giants won two superbowls when the injuries were few and NOT to important playing personnel.
If fact, IIRC Coughlin was lauded on how he got his team to play to the closing bell and never giving up!
What say you oh tunnel visioned one?
The 2007 team had a better DLine due to depth and rotation. But we won't know about the quality of our depth and rotation until the end of camp, at the end of game 1,and so forth so really it is guesswork.
First, OWA did flash in his 130 snaps last year at DE. He has a quick first step. He just wasn't healthy and this camp he is healthy. We definitely need him to line up at both DE spots and be able to take snaps. He may even be our interior pass rush DL.
Second, how much does DT Bromley improve? On paper, he is our #3 DT and he must produce as well.
Third, how much do DT Nix, DE Wynn bring? Are these young veterans worthy of playing time? Worthy of being active on game day and producing in limited snaps?
The key to this year, like 2007, is the ability of the DLine to stop the run themselves as well as pressure the QB and not rely on the blitz all the time. We do have LB Kennard who can bring heat as well as S L. Collins so we do have some packages we can use to bring pressure.
Spags defense lives off of pressure and turnovers. Will D. Thompson man the free (cover) safety spot so well that he nabs 7 or more interceptions? I hope so.
I like this team. I think this defense will be top 5 versus the run if it stays healthy and the offense will be top 5 in yards and in scoring. I truly believe that. Let the pundits point out the recent past. Today is today and it is different from yesterday. I have a really good feeling that the continuity of the schemes on both sides of the ball will help this team improve by leaps and bounds.
I would not be surprised if we crushed the Cowboys, down 3 defensive starters including both DE's and a LB, on opening day in their house. I would not be surprised if we went on game 2 and handled Drew Brees and his offense getting win #2 followed by a beat down of Washington.
We will start the season 3-0. I pray a healthy 3-0 so we can develop steam and employ the 2016 class more ad more as the season marches along. Kind of like what happened in 2007 when Boss and Bradshaw came on late.
Another example, though noble, hold loyalty above performance at the detriment of failed outcome. More specifically support coordinators unwilling to modify their gameplans in order to acclimate the talent pool available. Eli has prowess as a QB has suffered because of high risk, low percentage he directed for the first 10 years of his career. Many of the offensive miscues were due to misunderstood route adjustments by the WR. On D Fewell was horrific in making in game adjustments despite failed results. Forcing man pressure personal to a read and react, passive system.
Whose responsibility is such over sight? Coach Coughlin was a great motivator and big game strategist, but his core beliefs of loyalty above all else, was a hindrance to his teams success and a tarnish on his HOF credentials. I am grateful and respect the former HC accomplishments, but we can't ignore how reluctantly he allowed his long time coordinators to be replaced.
Another example, though noble, hold loyalty above performance at the detriment of failed outcome. More specifically support coordinators unwilling to modify their gameplans in order to acclimate the talent pool available. Eli has prowess as a QB has suffered because of high risk, low percentage he directed for the first 10 years of his career. Many of the offensive miscues were due to misunderstood route adjustments by the WR. On D Fewell was horrific in making in game adjustments despite failed results. Forcing man pressure personal to a read and react, passive system.
Whose responsibility is such over sight? Coach Coughlin was a great motivator and big game strategist, but his core beliefs of loyalty above all else, was a hindrance to his teams success and a tarnish on his HOF credentials. I am grateful and respect the former HC accomplishments, but we can't ignore how reluctantly he allowed his long time coordinators to be replaced.
Belicik is in my mind the league's best at getting the most out of a player's abilities. He uses his guys to their skillset and not to the scheme.
I think McAdoo, as a young guy who knows the players and what he wants to do as an offense, well he won't be as loyal. We had coaching changes this year, notably adding OL coach Solari. We didn't change every coach just the ones where McAdoo and the FO thought needed change.
I actually wanted Reese and the scouting department to be fired more than TC. But TC was no longer a young enough guy to build around, I think, and it was time for change. I pray McAdoo's "evolution not revolution" approach bears fruit and we win the division and more.
Go Giants!
In the past we have allowed some outstanding coaches to leave. HOF caliber coaches, as much as I respect Parcells, I hold him personally responsible for the loss of Belichick. Rather then moving on and allowing the natural progression of Belichick becoming HC, he saddled the franchise with as inept a HC as ever walked the sidelines of the NFL. Throwing away the last years of a dynamic team because of his own ego.
This time while not in house our HC comes from another coaching tree with HOF credentials. McAdoo --> McCarthy --> Holmgren --> Walsh. I think finally the Giant franchise may have landed the next coaching dynamo.
In the past we have allowed some outstanding coaches to leave. HOF caliber coaches, as much as I respect Parcells, I hold him personally responsible for the loss of Belichick. Rather then moving on and allowing the natural progression of Belichick becoming HC, he saddled the franchise with as inept a HC as ever walked the sidelines of the NFL. Throwing away the last years of a dynamic team because of his own ego.
This time while not in house our HC comes from another coaching tree with HOF credentials. McAdoo --> McCarthy --> Holmgren --> Walsh. I think finally the Giant franchise may have landed the next coaching dynamo.
I hope McAdoo is the HC for 20 or more years because that would mean he is winning. I hope Spags and his system stays as well. Continuity is a good thing in the NFL (see Patriots, see GreenBay) so long as the HC and staff are smart enough to make necessary changes to make a system fit the personnel rather then push and plug regardless of skillset. It is about doing a job rather than A JOB, per se.
Wait until Eli is gone and you will see what is really wrong (into dark ages). This season we will stumble unless Eli is surrounded by will to win guys that are willing to do what it takes to win and a coach that can get their buyin to throw themselves all in. Beckham is a wildcard, does the baby show up or does a man show up and do what it takes?
TC was along for the ride and that is why his process aligned well with players that decided games, when those players were no longer around his system could not carry a winning discipline any longer. He is gone because he was system was exposed without those guys...I guess Jerry was exposed too, but he is still around....bad scene and ending..The fairy tale that Ernie started is coming to and end soon, hopefully a little bit of magic still left before the dark ages begin again.
I wouldn't rule it out. Look at McAdoo's staff. He cleaned house (with a few exceptions) and expanded his staff. Maybe with limited practices, our previous coaching staffs had issues giving everyone proper attention to develop.
Add to that the fact that most of the new veterans are guys who their old teams didn't want or they would have retained them, and just about all of those teams (Rams, Jets, Fins, Foreskins, etc.) had losing or mediocre records, too.
And the surviving rookies will hit the wall about game 10 or 12, like all rookies do when them move to the longer and more intense pro season. That's one of the reasons that Flowers struggled last year.
Teams get better incrementally, although sometimes the W-L records don't show it immediately.
The GIANTS almost have to be better this year, but it may not be a very big improvement. They still have a lot of problems because Reese stubbornly refuses to adequately address some of the biggest shortcomings this team has.
And I don't like what the future looks like right now, either.
Add to that the fact that most of the new veterans are guys who their old teams didn't want or they would have retained them, and just about all of those teams (Rams, Jets, Fins, Foreskins, etc.) had losing or mediocre records, too.
And the surviving rookies will hit the wall about game 10 or 12, like all rookies do when them move to the longer and more intense pro season. That's one of the reasons that Flowers struggled last year.
Teams get better incrementally, although sometimes the W-L records don't show it immediately.
The GIANTS almost have to be better this year, but it may not be a very big improvement. They still have a lot of problems because Reese stubbornly refuses to adequately address some of the biggest shortcomings this team has.
And I don't like what the future looks like right now, either.
I don't recall anytime that you have..😜
I see the talent being assembled to once again field such a D. The O has the playmakers to be elite. As coach McAdoo stated; what will transpire is an evolution of the foundation established under his mentor coach Coughlin not a revolution. There in lies my premise, it is a mistake to judge unknown variables by utilizing its predecessors because the results can't be surmised.
Wait until Eli is gone and you will see what is really wrong (into dark ages). This season we will stumble unless Eli is surrounded by will to win guys that are willing to do what it takes to win and a coach that can get their buyin to throw themselves all in. Beckham is a wildcard, does the baby show up or does a man show up and do what it takes?
TC was along for the ride and that is why his process aligned well with players that decided games, when those players were no longer around his system could not carry a winning discipline any longer. He is gone because he was system was exposed without those guys...I guess Jerry was exposed too, but he is still around....bad scene and ending..The fairy tale that Ernie started is coming to and end soon, hopefully a little bit of magic still left before the dark ages begin again.
Eli, Jacobs, Tuck, Strahan, Pierce, Plax, Snee, Diehl, etc., were all Accorsi era guys and the backbone of our wins.
This is the "make or break" year for Reese. If we were to flop on both sides of the ball for whatever reason I think we may just clean the FO house. A GM could be brought in and he'd change everything.
But that isn't going to happen UNLESS Eli, OBJ and half the defense went down to injuries. Football is that brutal.
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are based on some specific actions by guys like Accorsi and some standout players, Accorsi chose Eli did what had to be done to get him, then you have Plax, Bradshaw, Jacobs, AP etc. Guys that are go to battle types that make a choice and have a strong WILL to win and do what it takes instead of collecting a salary and f'ing movie stars and partying with celebs.
Wait until Eli is gone and you will see what is really wrong (into dark ages). This season we will stumble unless Eli is surrounded by will to win guys that are willing to do what it takes to win and a coach that can get their buyin to throw themselves all in. Beckham is a wildcard, does the baby show up or does a man show up and do what it takes?
TC was along for the ride and that is why his process aligned well with players that decided games, when those players were no longer around his system could not carry a winning discipline any longer. He is gone because he was system was exposed without those guys...I guess Jerry was exposed too, but he is still around....bad scene and ending..The fairy tale that Ernie started is coming to and end soon, hopefully a little bit of magic still left before the dark ages begin again.
Ernie Accorsi's guys had more to do with our SB wins than Reese's picks.
Eli, Jacobs, Tuck, Strahan, Pierce, Plax, Snee, Diehl, etc., were all Accorsi era guys and the backbone of our wins.
This is the "make or break" year for Reese. If we were to flop on both sides of the ball for whatever reason I think we may just clean the FO house. A GM could be brought in and he'd change everything.
But that isn't going to happen UNLESS Eli, OBJ and half the defense went down to injuries. Football is that brutal.
Reese was responsible for the entire draft board since 2004. A lot of those "Accorsi Era Guys" were very much Reese guys too. Accorsi wasn't even with the team when we picked Strahan. I'd also suggest that Accorsi is extremely overrated around here. Look at his drafts from 1994-2003.
But I can't do it in Chinese.
The OP is, IMO, one of the worst examples of the use of contemporary English I have ever attempted to read.
It's as if it was Google translated from German. Or worse
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So you believe guys like Ramses Barden and Jayron Hosley, to only name two, would have been players had they been under a different regime? Then why are so many of this teams draft picks not picked up by other teams? Why are so many out of the league after their rookie contract (or sooner)? Faulty, faulty logic.
I wouldn't rule it out. Look at McAdoo's staff. He cleaned house (with a few exceptions) and expanded his staff. Maybe with limited practices, our previous coaching staffs had issues giving everyone proper attention to develop.
If true it would only explain why those players failed here. It wouldn't provide an answer as to why they didn't catch on with another team or why they had one-contract careers. McAdoo building his staff doesn't support the idea either. Every coach brings in his own guys. Maybe there's one or two holdovers, but by and large all new head coaches clean house. It's as much about building their own team identity as it is about the ineptitude of the previous staff. Finally, blaming the old regime is a cop out. It's easy to look at who isn't here anymore and pin the blame on them if only because it allows for hope in the new regime. Things may have gotten stale with Coufhlin and Co but the truth is this organizations drafting has been incredibly hit or miss over the last several years.
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So you believe guys like Ramses Barden and Jayron Hosley, to only name two, would have been players had they been under a different regime? Then why are so many of this teams draft picks not picked up by other teams? Why are so many out of the league after their rookie contract (or sooner)? Faulty, faulty logic.
I wouldn't rule it out. Look at McAdoo's staff. He cleaned house (with a few exceptions) and expanded his staff. Maybe with limited practices, our previous coaching staffs had issues giving everyone proper attention to develop.
If true it would only explain why those players failed here. It wouldn't provide an answer as to why they didn't catch on with another team or why they had one-contract careers. McAdoo building his staff doesn't support the idea either. Every coach brings in his own guys. Maybe there's one or two holdovers, but by and large all new head coaches clean house. It's as much about building their own team identity as it is about the ineptitude of the previous staff. Finally, blaming the old regime is a cop out. It's easy to look at who isn't here anymore and pin the blame on them if only because it allows for hope in the new regime. Things may have gotten stale with Coufhlin and Co but the truth is this organizations drafting has been incredibly hit or miss over the last several years.
Guys don't really see their second contracts if they fizzle out with a team, especially mid to late round picks. Why would a team roll the dice on an unproven veteran player over a cheap rookie?
I'm not looking at who isn't here. I'm talking about the sheer number of heads we have now compared to last year. An expanded coaching staff probably can invest more time in giving each player proper attention to detail. There's a possibility that the position coaches had too broad of a set of responsibilities to oversee. I'm not proclaiming this as fact, I'm just bringing up other possibilities. My personal theory is that Coughlin and his staff had problems adjusting to the new CBA.
The 2014-2016 drafts have brought more talent, I believe, than previous drafts and it will bring us some wins this year. The UFA's are going to give us a much stronger defense. And the coaching changes may bring energy.
I look for the Giants to be Top 5 offense, top 8 run defense, middle of the pack pass defense and top 5 special teams. That means division title and in our weak division maybe a #2 seed. I truly believe in this team with Eli, OBJ and a staunch run defense.
For example, a simple comparison would look at the "8th ranked" offense in some metrics and claim that even a small improvement in defense and voila...games win improve.
Not necessarily. Many of those yards were because the defense let the other team score so easily. Many were in garbage time. But when good teams had to win against us they stopped the offense and killed the defense.
So what do those metrics really tell us about 2016 season? Not much. Just a jumping off place for more assumptions.
We are fans. We are optimistic. We torture data I to confessing.
I think we are getting better. When that shows up in either 2016 or builds into the record of 2017 we don't know yet.
But in football many many opinions have just enough factiods to be a valid arguement
The 49er offense never ranked as a #1 passing offense (or seldom did)--why? They scored efficiently, made good use of yards, rarely had to come from behind.
If Giants are top 15 in both o and d, they are most certainly a top 8 team--ill take that all day over an inflated offensive rank.
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If Giants are top 15 in both o and d, they are most certainly a top 8 team--ill take that all day over an inflated offensive rank.
Gilbride passing philosophy was predicated on distinct minds viewing scenarios in congruence. In just everyday life it is difficult to find commonality in interpretation of circumstances. Multiply that sequence to milliseconds on a football field where lapses in congruence generally result in turnovers. Therefore making WR in Gilbride O, a difficult adjustment no matter the athletic prowess.
Every time we have had a read and react coordinator the D has faltered. When Spagnoulo left in 2008, the D was top 5. The personnel was pressure, man coverage dictating to the O. What was Coughlin's choice for replacement, a read and react D philosophy, bend but not break coach in Fewell. Another example of taking a square pin and jamming it into a round hole.
These types of loyalties have promoted negative results. Why was Moss, Beckham, Barden and host of others on the roster? Their contribution to the team was limited and not justifiable of a roster spot. On the other hand why did he not exert greater effort in retaining player like Josephs, Boss and Tuck? Ultimately the HC has the final say as to who he wants to retain on his roster.
For this reason I lay the responsibility on the man with the final say, the HC.
Also, TC had some clock management blunders, beginning with game 1 versus Dallas last year. 8-8 if he is smarter, think about that.
I will go on record and say if we had had a healthy Beatty and JPP along with just an "average man games lost" figure; and, two less clock managment blunders, we are likely 10-6 and division champs. Football is a game of inches, one play can decide a game, and we lost six games in the last two minutes. TC had to go, he is responsible but so is GM Reese and the others I noted.