The first is that instead of learning from the Panther game he seems justified in his actions and even had the nerve to take a swipe at his teammates in the recent GQ article. That's alarming.
A lot of players celebrate when they score but his theatrical dances while his teammates are standing there waiting to celebrate with him is just awkward. I'd like to see less of that.
All that being said Odell is 23. He's one of the best players in the league. The organization will do everything they can to keep him and facilitate his growth as a young man. It's all up to him and I think he's capable of being a legendary player for this franchise.
TD celebrations were going on well before Rice and Bavaro with their more subdued takes. Some of them were so elaborate that the NFL stepped in and put the kibosh on them, leading to the No Fun League moniker. Ditto for sack celebrations.
Regardless, the bottom line is that OBJ is an extremely dynamic, ridiculously productive WR who happens to be a fairly typical representative of his generation and their embrace of celebrity and social media. There is absolutely no evidence that he's a bad teammate or a "me-first" guy. Other than one unfortunate incident, there's also no evidence that he's a bad guy on the field or off of it, or that he can't handle the fame that he so richly deserves.
OBJ gets paid to play football, and so far he's shown that he's worth every penny (and then some). He's not paid to be a role model. He's not paid to stifle his natural exuberance or love of the game. He's not paid to be anything other than what he is - one of the best damned WRs I've ever seen. The Giants are lucky to have him.
I never liked grandstanders, I don't care how good they are. I prefer people who don't act like every Touchdown is their first. Like Shockey, I tolerate him and celebrate his production.
Odell has shown thus far into his career that he is a relentless competitor who never takes time off from trying to get better. He wants to be the greatest ever and he wants to win. Losing his composure against a dude who was goading and threatening him on one Sunday afternoon changes none of that for me.
He is a lion. Give me a player like him every single day of the week. He busts his ass and works as hard as anyone in the sport.
I would mostly agree. Ridiculous that people are complaining about OBJ. There are some things he needs to learn about handling fame and not talking too much, but so benign compared to what I have seen from other wr divas.
Tim Duncan's of the world, pretty rare birds. Most players of Odell's talent are egomaniacs -- he has an ego so be it.
Plenty of athletes play with an edge--Micheal Jordan talked shit, LT played with an edge and was no saint. Deion was flashy. They were still effective.
When OBJ hurts Giants with his behavior and his antics in a meaningful way, the holier than thou crowd can then rightfully complain.
he has an image to uphold (whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant) and him staying firm on his stance with the Panther game doesn't necessarily mean he didn't learn his lesson. He feels he stood up for himself and he isn't going to apologize for it, which doesn't mean he didn't learn from the experience.
I think far too often fans interpret player quotes far to literally and only see things as black and white when its everything but. Its all gray and we know little to nothing about what really goes on.
To me, Odell right now is larger than life from an NFL standpoint and he's experienced the highs of fame, with the lows of being a target. He's a celebrity now, in NYC no less, and he's playing that part. If he played on a team I hated, I'm sure I'd dislike him, but until he actually commits a crime or destroys the morale of this team, I have nothing to complain about with him.
I wish he had not handled the Norman situation that way.
But a lot of how I'll consider him as a man, and I suppose yes, it will carry over into how I feel about him in blue, will have to do with the first time the Giants play the Redskins this season.
Everybody deserves a second chance to prove themselves after screwing up. It's about growing ... the way I see it.
about Rice when your post jogged my memory into action. You are absolutely right in one respect: Rice and probably that entire 9ers offense bitched and moaned and got more chicken shit PI calls on defenders than any set of receivers in league history.
Your post made me reflect on how much I hated that about the 9ers, they were akin to soccer floppers almost with their constant pointing.
Funny thing two was they ran borderline illegal pick routes more than anyone and were great at it. Nowadays they are called "rub" routes but back then they were picks and illegal.
but as a fan I defended him and still do. He was goaded the entire game, pre-game the other team had practice players on the field with baseball bats talking shit, and they effectively got into his head.
It was a big learning day for OBJ.
I doubt it happens again.
Yuuuuuuuge TC fan here and he didn't do his job that day, step in, take OBJ out and talk to him/bench him.
When I think back to that pre-game nonsense, it baffles me that the Panthers organization got away with doing it. I suppose baseball bats are benign when it comes to such a violent game. Wonder if they'd have taken it a notch further - wielding toy swords, or even toy guns - how it might have gone.
Taunting opposition in pre-game with baseball bats ... pretty fucking amazing it was allowed to happen, and at OUR stadium! Nuts.
Rice is still a good example of a hard worker and a guy who kept his nose clean off the field. Of course Rice is not perfect. Compare that to Owens, Moss, Carter and Harrison, Rice's closest production peers.
I would mostly agree. Ridiculous that people are complaining about OBJ. There are some things he needs to learn about handling fame and not talking too much, but so benign compared to what I have seen from other wr divas.
Tim Duncan's of the world, pretty rare birds. Most players of Odell's talent are egomaniacs -- he has an ego so be it.
Plenty of athletes play with an edge--Micheal Jordan talked shit, LT played with an edge and was no saint. Deion was flashy. They were still effective.
When OBJ hurts Giants with his behavior and his antics in a meaningful way, the holier than thou crowd can then rightfully complain.
I don't think he will give them that chance.....
I agree, my friend. And as football fans, we've known that the WR position is one filled with egos, and why not? These guys have to believe in themselves to an extreme degree that they are the best out there to make those catches against some of the best defenders in the world.
but that was the only game he ever did anything like that, so, why would I not love the best player on the Giants because he lost his head and tried to kill an asshole? Water under the bridge. This is not the 70s or the 80s, if you dont like his self promoting personality maybe you are expecting NFL stars to act the way players acted 30 or 40 years ago.
I did not like his loss of self composure and how it reflected on him, the team, the coach and the Giants as an organization. He should have been pulled from the game after the second flare up, long before the attempted head ramming. Norman got inside his head and Odell lost self control and retaliated for whatever provoked him.
I do not appreciate Odell's off field style at all - same with other flamboyant players. I guess it is a cultural and age gap thing. But I don't care for it at all and have less respect for the person with that behavior. Simple truth. Some won't like that open honesty, but, there it is.
I will cheer for him on the field and appreciate his physical talents. But his flamboyant arrogance I can do without.
Seriously, it's 2016, and athletes are allowed to have personalities. They're allowed to have opinions of their own and do the things they want to do, good or bad, whether or not you like it. Just be happy he's not out getting tanked every night, beating women, and getting DUI's. I swear some people just find things to bitch about.
Rice is still a good example of a hard worker and a guy who kept his nose clean off the field. Of course Rice is not perfect. Compare that to Owens, Moss, Carter and Harrison, Rice's closest production peers.
But can't this be said about OBJ as well? That he's a hard worker and a guy who kept (and is keeping) his nose clean off the field?
Unless we're going to say that enjoying being young, rich, and famous isn't keeping one's nose clean, I don't see OBJ doing anything off the field that's alarming other than to people (bunch of get off my lawn types), who don't like his lifestyle.
is a little too self-promoting and needs to mature.
Self-defense c'mon, I mean norman started it and the refs didn't help but he tried to take the guy's head off!
OMG! A celebrity professional athlete is too self-promoting? Oh no! How dare he try to continue to brand himself to reap the benefit of his popularity.
Nice overreaction, football is a team sport, the guys more concerned with themselves over the team, ala the Carolina game don't win!
Sure thing, bro. Because he was the cause of the Carolina loss and the other losses. Do you even watch our games?
Check the thread it's "do you like him a little less" and I just made a point where you turn it into an attack. Oh and by the way he did drop a TD pass in that game maybe because he was unfocused due to being more concerned with showing up norman. Anyway it's an opinion thread not right or wrong if you like him more for that so be it.
Rice is still a good example of a hard worker and a guy who kept his nose clean off the field. Of course Rice is not perfect. Compare that to Owens, Moss, Carter and Harrison, Rice's closest production peers.
But can't this be said about OBJ as well? That he's a hard worker and a guy who kept (and is keeping) his nose clean off the field?
Unless we're going to say that enjoying being young, rich, and famous isn't keeping one's nose clean, I don't see OBJ doing anything off the field that's alarming other than to people (bunch of get off my lawn types), who don't like his lifestyle.
That's my take too, fans want their cake while eating it too and don't realize how common this is. I'm not excusing his actions but this will likely be a tiny blip on Odells career. But hey, we could have a guy like Josh Gordon instead..
we have one of the best WRs in the NFL -- and maybe one of the best WRs of all times -- and he shows passion, desire, and a little eccentricity; what's the problem?
I was completely shocked by his behavior that day vs. Norman. I've never seen anything remotely like it in all the years I've watched the NFL and hope to never see this again.
His off-field antics are harmless. Doesn't reflect bad on the Giants at all. Let him have some fun.
He's the most dynamic player the Giants have had since LT, IMO. A few games w/o incident and all will be forgiven. I'm sure other teams will try their best to get Odell to flip out and lose his edge.
Check the thread it's "do you like him a little less" and I just made a point where you turn it into an attack. Oh and by the way he did drop a TD pass in that game maybe because he was unfocused due to being more concerned with showing up norman. Anyway it's an opinion thread not right or wrong if you like him more for that so be it.
First off, I was giving you shit for saying he's too self-promoting. He's a celebrity and trying to establish a brand, so why not be self-promoting. And second, how do you know he dropped the TD pass because he was more focused on showing up Norman? Opinions are one thing, making baseless assertion is another. And if you watched the game, there were far more issues with that game than OBJ alone.
I've never seen anything remotely like it in all the years I've watched the NFL and hope to never see this again.
I've never heard of another team bringing a taunting prop like a bat on the field pre-game, wielded by a sweatpants-wearing practice squad player to boot.
There were a lot of things I saw in that game that I had never seen or rarely seen, including having a player bodyslam another guy right in front of the ref without a penalty getting thrown.
But it is absolutely mind-boggling that the Panthers brought a bat on the field - and people may not know this, but practice squad guys aren't even supposed to be on the field at away games. I believe that violates a rule.
My only caution with Odell is the tabloid fodder. Links with kardashians. And becoming 'too famous'.......
So far so good. But I think he runs the risk of too much celebrity before he earns the hardware. I'd also hope he doesn't run his mouth about Norman anymore.
I never liked grandstanders, I don't care how good they are. I prefer people who don't act like every Touchdown is their first. Like Shockey, I tolerate him and celebrate his production.
Hopefully, he can mature into someone I respect.
DUCK!
It's natural to want to "like" athletes and other performers
we admire, but let's face it, we know little about them. I love Odell's talent, he is a joy to watch. The performance against the the Panthers was definitely frustrating, mainly because he was hurting the team, but I chalk it up to a young player learning a lesson. If it happens again, I'll be a little concerned.
Wayyy more after the incident. Showed he's a fighter, not a pretty boy that was going to be intimidated by slurs, pregame bats and bullying. And I bet players around the league respected him way more after it too.
He cant lose his mind like that again, but one time was good to put future defenses on notice that hes not a punk.
I've never seen anything remotely like it in all the years I've watched the NFL and hope to never see this again.
I've never heard of another team bringing a taunting prop like a bat on the field pre-game, wielded by a sweatpants-wearing practice squad player to boot.
There were a lot of things I saw in that game that I had never seen or rarely seen, including having a player bodyslam another guy right in front of the ref without a penalty getting thrown.
But it is absolutely mind-boggling that the Panthers brought a bat on the field - and people may not know this, but practice squad guys aren't even supposed to be on the field at away games. I believe that violates a rule.
Exactly. If you're being threatened with weapons before the game and body slammed during the game, you're not gonna invite the guy over for Sunday biscuits.
I was completely shocked by his behavior that day vs. Norman. I've never seen anything remotely like it in all the years I've watched the NFL and hope to never see this again.
His off-field antics are harmless. Doesn't reflect bad on the Giants at all. Let him have some fun.
He's the most dynamic player the Giants have had since LT, IMO. A few games w/o incident and all will be forgiven. I'm sure other teams will try their best to get Odell to flip out and lose his edge.
So unless you've totally missed this part of Gross Blau Oberst's post, which you stated you agree with:
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I do not appreciate Odell's off field style at all - same with other flamboyant players. I guess it is a cultural and age gap thing. But I don't care for it at all and have less respect for the person with that behavior. Simple truth. Some won't like that open honesty, but, there it is.
I will cheer for him on the field and appreciate his physical talents. But his flamboyant arrogance I can do without.
You're sort of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
And with your last sentence ("A few games w/o incident and all will be forgiven."), you make it sound like he regularly has incidents. What is there to forgive when for the most part, he doesn't have issues on the field beyond being passionate.
Wayyy more after the incident. Showed he's a fighter, not a pretty boy that was going to be intimidated by slurs, pregame bats and bullying. And I bet players around the league respected him way more after it too.
He cant lose his mind like that again, but one time was good to put future defenses on notice that hes not a punk.
this is beyond stupid. YOu put defenses on notice by BEATING them with your play. Catching the easy TD, not by acting like an idiot
My only caution with Odell is the tabloid fodder. Links with kardashians. And becoming 'too famous'.......
So far so good. But I think he runs the risk of too much celebrity before he earns the hardware. I'd also hope he doesn't run his mouth about Norman anymore.
All mostly benign though.
Eh...I'm not too concerned. Let the young man live it up while he is the toast of the league and town. And who he associates with may be distasteful to many (others may find it just as distasteful if he was siding up to people like Trump or Giuliani, etc.), but as you state, most of what he does is benign.
Shockey was sketchy about doing his actual job to the point where his presence became a net negative despite his enormous talent; this was borne out by how the team played one he was removed from it.
Beckham by all accounts does his job, and he obviously does it extremely well. If he were removed from the picture it's difficult to imagine the team playing better.
Do you tolerate the clownish behavior and move forward. As long as he doesn't incur personal fouls (which has been a problem at times) the clown act is harmless. Showing up opponents is classless, but he isn't being paid to be classy.
My only concern would be that there is more or less an unspoken bounty on him because of it. You can tell that there are a lot of guys in the league that want to be the guy that shot Jesse James.
You're sort of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
And with your last sentence ("A few games w/o incident and all will be forgiven."), you make it sound like he regularly has incidents. What is there to forgive when for the most part, he doesn't have issues on the field beyond being passionate.
Thought about it some more and decided his off field stuff isn't bad at all for a young man.
w/o incident refers to the belief I have that other teams will try their best to knock Odell off his game and lose his cool. I hope they can't do it.
Wayyy more after the incident. Showed he's a fighter, not a pretty boy that was going to be intimidated by slurs, pregame bats and bullying. And I bet players around the league respected him way more after it too.
He cant lose his mind like that again, but one time was good to put future defenses on notice that hes not a punk.
this is beyond stupid. YOu put defenses on notice by BEATING them with your play. Catching the easy TD, not by acting like an idiot
Defenses will try everything to stop a player, on the field schemes as well as psych games. If its known that a player is soft and you can get in his head and bully them, they will exploit that more and more. Especially with OBJ who has the gay rumors surrounding him and the movie star looks, etc.
He needed to defend himself...and guess what... Coughlin agreed and that's why he left him in the game. You have to look at the big picture, not just about penalty yards that hurt the team for that one game, but long term benefit to the development of a player and league perception of them moving forward. Anyway, thats my opinion. Your welcome to cry about the two penalties he got, i personally like him alot more after it.
I still absolutely love him as a player because when I watch him, I feel like I'm seeing greatness.
But I used to defend him as "not DeSean or Dez" for a while. I felt like what differentiated Odell was his intelligence. Off-the field, he's simply a smarter individual than "fake-Crip" DeSean and "overgrown 12 year old" Dez.
But I've come to accept he's closer to those guys in terms of personality than I hoped for. He's absolutely got some Diva qualities on the field. He knows he's a big deal. But he combines some of that DeSean ultra-cockiness with that blind competitive rage like we see from Dez.
Still a guy who can be a generational star, and he seems to have the hunger and work ethic to reach that level. He just needs to calm down a bit on the field.
You're sort of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
And with your last sentence ("A few games w/o incident and all will be forgiven."), you make it sound like he regularly has incidents. What is there to forgive when for the most part, he doesn't have issues on the field beyond being passionate.
Thought about it some more and decided his off field stuff isn't bad at all for a young man.
w/o incident refers to the belief I have that other teams will try their best to knock Odell off his game and lose his cool. I hope they can't do it.
choke Josh Norman during practice. The guy is an asshole.
As far as Odell goes, sports are a performance-based business. They're not like your kid's 3rd grade play with the goals of "Try(ing) your best and have fun." No one has performed better at the position in his first 2 seasons than Odell. Why would I like him less because he lost his cool in dealing with a CONFIRMED asshole? Why would his dating life have any bearing on how I view him as a player?
RE: He's a young guy and lost his composure, but....
that's forgivable. Now he needs to let it go. His continuing to drag it out disappoints me a bit.
Once again...when was the last time he dragged it back out other than this article? He's been pretty good about not taking the bait whenever Norman would talk shit. Seriously, where are you people seeing his continuing to talk about it?
of dumb bells like Shockey. I don't think it had a lasting effect of my opinion of him, just that I thought he was acting like a bonehead.
The person that I lost respect for was Coughlin. I was an admirer of Coughlin. For a coach that was known as a disciplinarian to let that get so out of hand was ridiculous. He should have parked Beckham on the bench until he cooled down.
The concept of Coughlin as a disciplinarian went out the window in 2007 when he basically let Plax do whatever he wanted. When Steve Smith said that he never saw Plax at practice I was floored.
I mean, other than the Norman thing which is significant
Check the thread it's "do you like him a little less" and I just made a point where you turn it into an attack. Oh and by the way he did drop a TD pass in that game maybe because he was unfocused due to being more concerned with showing up norman. Anyway it's an opinion thread not right or wrong if you like him more for that so be it.
First off, I was giving you shit for saying he's too self-promoting. He's a celebrity and trying to establish a brand, so why not be self-promoting. And second, how do you know he dropped the TD pass because he was more focused on showing up Norman? Opinions are one thing, making baseless assertion is another. And if you watched the game, there were far more issues with that game than OBJ alone.
There you go again read what I said "maybe" you turn it into an attack. And yeah I watched the game as much as I could stomach. This is not a "right or wrong " issue which you keep twisting it into. I like odell but like the thread said "a little less" If you don't fine! End of story.
A lot of players celebrate when they score but his theatrical dances while his teammates are standing there waiting to celebrate with him is just awkward. I'd like to see less of that.
All that being said Odell is 23. He's one of the best players in the league. The organization will do everything they can to keep him and facilitate his growth as a young man. It's all up to him and I think he's capable of being a legendary player for this franchise.
Regardless, the bottom line is that OBJ is an extremely dynamic, ridiculously productive WR who happens to be a fairly typical representative of his generation and their embrace of celebrity and social media. There is absolutely no evidence that he's a bad teammate or a "me-first" guy. Other than one unfortunate incident, there's also no evidence that he's a bad guy on the field or off of it, or that he can't handle the fame that he so richly deserves.
OBJ gets paid to play football, and so far he's shown that he's worth every penny (and then some). He's not paid to be a role model. He's not paid to stifle his natural exuberance or love of the game. He's not paid to be anything other than what he is - one of the best damned WRs I've ever seen. The Giants are lucky to have him.
Hopefully, he can mature into someone I respect.
Odell has shown thus far into his career that he is a relentless competitor who never takes time off from trying to get better. He wants to be the greatest ever and he wants to win. Losing his composure against a dude who was goading and threatening him on one Sunday afternoon changes none of that for me.
He is a lion. Give me a player like him every single day of the week. He busts his ass and works as hard as anyone in the sport.
Tim Duncan's of the world, pretty rare birds. Most players of Odell's talent are egomaniacs -- he has an ego so be it.
Plenty of athletes play with an edge--Micheal Jordan talked shit, LT played with an edge and was no saint. Deion was flashy. They were still effective.
When OBJ hurts Giants with his behavior and his antics in a meaningful way, the holier than thou crowd can then rightfully complain.
I don't think he will give them that chance.....
I think far too often fans interpret player quotes far to literally and only see things as black and white when its everything but. Its all gray and we know little to nothing about what really goes on.
To me, Odell right now is larger than life from an NFL standpoint and he's experienced the highs of fame, with the lows of being a target. He's a celebrity now, in NYC no less, and he's playing that part. If he played on a team I hated, I'm sure I'd dislike him, but until he actually commits a crime or destroys the morale of this team, I have nothing to complain about with him.
I love Odell the player. So fun to watch.
But a lot of how I'll consider him as a man, and I suppose yes, it will carry over into how I feel about him in blue, will have to do with the first time the Giants play the Redskins this season.
Everybody deserves a second chance to prove themselves after screwing up. It's about growing ... the way I see it.
I'm looking for him to take care of business.
Your post made me reflect on how much I hated that about the 9ers, they were akin to soccer floppers almost with their constant pointing.
Funny thing two was they ran borderline illegal pick routes more than anyone and were great at it. Nowadays they are called "rub" routes but back then they were picks and illegal.
It was a big learning day for OBJ.
I doubt it happens again.
Yuuuuuuuge TC fan here and he didn't do his job that day, step in, take OBJ out and talk to him/bench him.
When I think back to that pre-game nonsense, it baffles me that the Panthers organization got away with doing it. I suppose baseball bats are benign when it comes to such a violent game. Wonder if they'd have taken it a notch further - wielding toy swords, or even toy guns - how it might have gone.
Taunting opposition in pre-game with baseball bats ... pretty fucking amazing it was allowed to happen, and at OUR stadium! Nuts.
Tim Duncan's of the world, pretty rare birds. Most players of Odell's talent are egomaniacs -- he has an ego so be it.
Plenty of athletes play with an edge--Micheal Jordan talked shit, LT played with an edge and was no saint. Deion was flashy. They were still effective.
When OBJ hurts Giants with his behavior and his antics in a meaningful way, the holier than thou crowd can then rightfully complain.
I don't think he will give them that chance.....
I agree, my friend. And as football fans, we've known that the WR position is one filled with egos, and why not? These guys have to believe in themselves to an extreme degree that they are the best out there to make those catches against some of the best defenders in the world.
I do not appreciate Odell's off field style at all - same with other flamboyant players. I guess it is a cultural and age gap thing. But I don't care for it at all and have less respect for the person with that behavior. Simple truth. Some won't like that open honesty, but, there it is.
I will cheer for him on the field and appreciate his physical talents. But his flamboyant arrogance I can do without.
GO GIANTS.
I feel the same. Maybe b/c I'm 56 though.
But can't this be said about OBJ as well? That he's a hard worker and a guy who kept (and is keeping) his nose clean off the field?
Unless we're going to say that enjoying being young, rich, and famous isn't keeping one's nose clean, I don't see OBJ doing anything off the field that's alarming other than to people (bunch of get off my lawn types), who don't like his lifestyle.
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is a little too self-promoting and needs to mature.
Self-defense c'mon, I mean norman started it and the refs didn't help but he tried to take the guy's head off!
OMG! A celebrity professional athlete is too self-promoting? Oh no! How dare he try to continue to brand himself to reap the benefit of his popularity.
Nice overreaction, football is a team sport, the guys more concerned with themselves over the team, ala the Carolina game don't win!
Sure thing, bro. Because he was the cause of the Carolina loss and the other losses. Do you even watch our games?
Check the thread it's "do you like him a little less" and I just made a point where you turn it into an attack. Oh and by the way he did drop a TD pass in that game maybe because he was unfocused due to being more concerned with showing up norman. Anyway it's an opinion thread not right or wrong if you like him more for that so be it.
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Rice is still a good example of a hard worker and a guy who kept his nose clean off the field. Of course Rice is not perfect. Compare that to Owens, Moss, Carter and Harrison, Rice's closest production peers.
But can't this be said about OBJ as well? That he's a hard worker and a guy who kept (and is keeping) his nose clean off the field?
Unless we're going to say that enjoying being young, rich, and famous isn't keeping one's nose clean, I don't see OBJ doing anything off the field that's alarming other than to people (bunch of get off my lawn types), who don't like his lifestyle.
That's my take too, fans want their cake while eating it too and don't realize how common this is. I'm not excusing his actions but this will likely be a tiny blip on Odells career. But hey, we could have a guy like Josh Gordon instead..
His off-field antics are harmless. Doesn't reflect bad on the Giants at all. Let him have some fun.
He's the most dynamic player the Giants have had since LT, IMO. A few games w/o incident and all will be forgiven. I'm sure other teams will try their best to get Odell to flip out and lose his edge.
First off, I was giving you shit for saying he's too self-promoting. He's a celebrity and trying to establish a brand, so why not be self-promoting. And second, how do you know he dropped the TD pass because he was more focused on showing up Norman? Opinions are one thing, making baseless assertion is another. And if you watched the game, there were far more issues with that game than OBJ alone.
I've never heard of another team bringing a taunting prop like a bat on the field pre-game, wielded by a sweatpants-wearing practice squad player to boot.
There were a lot of things I saw in that game that I had never seen or rarely seen, including having a player bodyslam another guy right in front of the ref without a penalty getting thrown.
But it is absolutely mind-boggling that the Panthers brought a bat on the field - and people may not know this, but practice squad guys aren't even supposed to be on the field at away games. I believe that violates a rule.
So far so good. But I think he runs the risk of too much celebrity before he earns the hardware. I'd also hope he doesn't run his mouth about Norman anymore.
All mostly benign though.
Hopefully, he can mature into someone I respect.
DUCK!
I think it's disgusting.
He cant lose his mind like that again, but one time was good to put future defenses on notice that hes not a punk.
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I've never seen anything remotely like it in all the years I've watched the NFL and hope to never see this again.
I've never heard of another team bringing a taunting prop like a bat on the field pre-game, wielded by a sweatpants-wearing practice squad player to boot.
There were a lot of things I saw in that game that I had never seen or rarely seen, including having a player bodyslam another guy right in front of the ref without a penalty getting thrown.
But it is absolutely mind-boggling that the Panthers brought a bat on the field - and people may not know this, but practice squad guys aren't even supposed to be on the field at away games. I believe that violates a rule.
Exactly. If you're being threatened with weapons before the game and body slammed during the game, you're not gonna invite the guy over for Sunday biscuits.
His off-field antics are harmless. Doesn't reflect bad on the Giants at all. Let him have some fun.
He's the most dynamic player the Giants have had since LT, IMO. A few games w/o incident and all will be forgiven. I'm sure other teams will try their best to get Odell to flip out and lose his edge.
So unless you've totally missed this part of Gross Blau Oberst's post, which you stated you agree with:
I will cheer for him on the field and appreciate his physical talents. But his flamboyant arrogance I can do without.
You're sort of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
And with your last sentence ("A few games w/o incident and all will be forgiven."), you make it sound like he regularly has incidents. What is there to forgive when for the most part, he doesn't have issues on the field beyond being passionate.
He cant lose his mind like that again, but one time was good to put future defenses on notice that hes not a punk.
this is beyond stupid. YOu put defenses on notice by BEATING them with your play. Catching the easy TD, not by acting like an idiot
All I care about is him showing up on game day and giving 100 percent.
I have no reason to believe the Carolina game was anything more than an anomaly...I also think the Panthers got away with a lot of crap.
So far so good. But I think he runs the risk of too much celebrity before he earns the hardware. I'd also hope he doesn't run his mouth about Norman anymore.
All mostly benign though.
Eh...I'm not too concerned. Let the young man live it up while he is the toast of the league and town. And who he associates with may be distasteful to many (others may find it just as distasteful if he was siding up to people like Trump or Giuliani, etc.), but as you state, most of what he does is benign.
Beckham by all accounts does his job, and he obviously does it extremely well. If he were removed from the picture it's difficult to imagine the team playing better.
Do you tolerate the clownish behavior and move forward. As long as he doesn't incur personal fouls (which has been a problem at times) the clown act is harmless. Showing up opponents is classless, but he isn't being paid to be classy.
My only concern would be that there is more or less an unspoken bounty on him because of it. You can tell that there are a lot of guys in the league that want to be the guy that shot Jesse James.
You're sort of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
And with your last sentence ("A few games w/o incident and all will be forgiven."), you make it sound like he regularly has incidents. What is there to forgive when for the most part, he doesn't have issues on the field beyond being passionate.
Thought about it some more and decided his off field stuff isn't bad at all for a young man.
w/o incident refers to the belief I have that other teams will try their best to knock Odell off his game and lose his cool. I hope they can't do it.
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Wayyy more after the incident. Showed he's a fighter, not a pretty boy that was going to be intimidated by slurs, pregame bats and bullying. And I bet players around the league respected him way more after it too.
He cant lose his mind like that again, but one time was good to put future defenses on notice that hes not a punk.
this is beyond stupid. YOu put defenses on notice by BEATING them with your play. Catching the easy TD, not by acting like an idiot
Defenses will try everything to stop a player, on the field schemes as well as psych games. If its known that a player is soft and you can get in his head and bully them, they will exploit that more and more. Especially with OBJ who has the gay rumors surrounding him and the movie star looks, etc.
He needed to defend himself...and guess what... Coughlin agreed and that's why he left him in the game. You have to look at the big picture, not just about penalty yards that hurt the team for that one game, but long term benefit to the development of a player and league perception of them moving forward. Anyway, thats my opinion. Your welcome to cry about the two penalties he got, i personally like him alot more after it.
But I used to defend him as "not DeSean or Dez" for a while. I felt like what differentiated Odell was his intelligence. Off-the field, he's simply a smarter individual than "fake-Crip" DeSean and "overgrown 12 year old" Dez.
But I've come to accept he's closer to those guys in terms of personality than I hoped for. He's absolutely got some Diva qualities on the field. He knows he's a big deal. But he combines some of that DeSean ultra-cockiness with that blind competitive rage like we see from Dez.
Still a guy who can be a generational star, and he seems to have the hunger and work ethic to reach that level. He just needs to calm down a bit on the field.
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You're sort of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
And with your last sentence ("A few games w/o incident and all will be forgiven."), you make it sound like he regularly has incidents. What is there to forgive when for the most part, he doesn't have issues on the field beyond being passionate.
Thought about it some more and decided his off field stuff isn't bad at all for a young man.
w/o incident refers to the belief I have that other teams will try their best to knock Odell off his game and lose his cool. I hope they can't do it.
Gotcha...thanks for the clarification...:)
As far as Odell goes, sports are a performance-based business. They're not like your kid's 3rd grade play with the goals of "Try(ing) your best and have fun." No one has performed better at the position in his first 2 seasons than Odell. Why would I like him less because he lost his cool in dealing with a CONFIRMED asshole? Why would his dating life have any bearing on how I view him as a player?
Once again...when was the last time he dragged it back out other than this article? He's been pretty good about not taking the bait whenever Norman would talk shit. Seriously, where are you people seeing his continuing to talk about it?
The person that I lost respect for was Coughlin. I was an admirer of Coughlin. For a coach that was known as a disciplinarian to let that get so out of hand was ridiculous. He should have parked Beckham on the bench until he cooled down.
He's guilty of being 22 years old and likking dancing and dressing in expensive clothes.
He's guilty of being 22 years old and likking dancing and dressing in expensive clothes.
On this thread alone I asked the same question to two different posters. Still waiting for an answer.
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Check the thread it's "do you like him a little less" and I just made a point where you turn it into an attack. Oh and by the way he did drop a TD pass in that game maybe because he was unfocused due to being more concerned with showing up norman. Anyway it's an opinion thread not right or wrong if you like him more for that so be it.
First off, I was giving you shit for saying he's too self-promoting. He's a celebrity and trying to establish a brand, so why not be self-promoting. And second, how do you know he dropped the TD pass because he was more focused on showing up Norman? Opinions are one thing, making baseless assertion is another. And if you watched the game, there were far more issues with that game than OBJ alone.
There you go again read what I said "maybe" you turn it into an attack. And yeah I watched the game as much as I could stomach. This is not a "right or wrong " issue which you keep twisting it into. I like odell but like the thread said "a little less" If you don't fine! End of story.
Imagine of the other guys had half the heart and hunger that he does. I also like the way he handled it and owned it in the end.
I'm so sick of Giants "fans" who criticized him for it. As if they would have all conducted themselves any differently