and this thread finally brought me in. I can't believe there are actually fans nitpicking possibly the best player we've ever had at that position smh. It's mind boggling that if a player shows extreme passion for the game, the disdain for losing, high work ethic and ridiculous competitive nature it can be somehow overshadowed by his off field personality lol. Never been in any kind of off field trouble and he's simply living the life of a rich 23 year old. The Carolina game, of course it was overboard, but he'll mature. It's easy to forget that he's basically still a kid and I'm sure that most 23 year olds put in the same spotlight as Odell would be way worse. Let the man grow into himself..But quick background of myself...Die hard since the Dave Brown era that we'd like to forget lol (I was young and that's when I started understanding the game) Been through the debacles with you all (Minnesota 97, Baltimore SB, San Fran 02 (worst one to me, I got physically sick after that one, seriously)...and been through 2 out of the 4 Super Bowls we have of course. Born in 86, so that one and 90 of course I won't remember.
RE: RE: I don't make character assertions about a guy based off of what
You don't? You'd be in a vast minority then, because everyone on this board has been calling guys like Terrell Owens and Desean Jackson (whose behavior I find identical to Beckham's) assholes and worse for years.
Next time Beckham runs out to the star at midfield at Cowboys stadium or breaks out a sharpie......etc...etc.
Comparing him to T.O. Is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen on this board.
No because I'm not an 85 year old with a stick up my ass
The guy is the best player that I've ever seen in blue (didn't see LT). I'm not a sanctimonious person that will throw that away because a 23 year old lost his cool when he was targeted for a whole game. No one here has lost their cool before? All of the people that "can't root for him" get over yourselves, you're not morally superior.
Look, it's okay to not be okay with the expressiveness. That's
a generational thing. Everyone's allowed their own take on it, within reason.
He's incredibly talented and also has room to grow up.
I'm pretty conservative when it comes to expressiveness. However, to "like him less" or not be able to root for him when he's had two of the best seasons a young WR has ever had is complete self righteousness. There's no two ways about it. If this were Freddie Mitchell or someone I'd understand it.
that he was willing to defend himself after a few bunches of trash threatened his career before the game started with bats. Fuck that noise. You can't let people like that get away with that shit.
a generational thing. Everyone's allowed their own take on it, within reason.
He's incredibly talented and also has room to grow up.
I'm pretty conservative when it comes to expressiveness. However, to "like him less" or not be able to root for him when he's had two of the best seasons a young WR has ever had is complete self righteousness. There's no two ways about it. If this were Freddie Mitchell or someone I'd understand it.
So you're a great guy if you act like a jerk but score lots of touchdowns. Got it.
I guess fandom and stupidity really do go hand in hand.
a generational thing. Everyone's allowed their own take on it, within reason.
He's incredibly talented and also has room to grow up.
I'm pretty conservative when it comes to expressiveness. However, to "like him less" or not be able to root for him when he's had two of the best seasons a young WR has ever had is complete self righteousness. There's no two ways about it. If this were Freddie Mitchell or someone I'd understand it.
So you're a great guy if you act like a jerk but score lots of touchdowns. Got it.
I guess fandom and stupidity really do go hand in hand.
No one said he's a great guy, Jesus. This is a strawman argument. Just that it's incredibly self righteous to not be able to root for him like many say given that he's has the possibility of being our best player since LT. If you want choir boys go to church. The fuck do you care if he's a jerk?
I've said multiple times that I don't care at all that he's a jerk. The people getting upset are the ones that can't seem to accept the possibility that a great Giants player can also be a jerk. Instead of calling him out on his ridiculous on field behavior we hear rationalizations about his intensity, everybody else does it, etc. It's irrational and it's hypocrisy, but that's already been pointed out here.
I've said multiple times that I don't care at all that he's a jerk. The people getting upset are the ones that can't seem to accept the possibility that a great Giants player can also be a jerk. Instead of calling him out on his ridiculous on field behavior we hear rationalizations about his intensity, everybody else does it, etc. It's irrational and it's hypocrisy, but that's already been pointed out here.
I see a lot less "rationalizations and hypocrisy" among most fans here than I see, as Ronnie put it so well, a hesitancy to leap from a dislike of his show boating obnoxious on the field behavior to labeling him a jerk, an idiot, a dumbass, or a bad person.
From your side you see rationalizations and hypocrisy, from the other side people see your judgemental disapprobation, narrow mindedness, and sanctimonious attitude.
I choose to rationalize and be hypocritical in your eyes than assume your views, which are no less a leap of faith. A documented leap of faith it appears by dint of reports of OBJs off field behavior.
Do you dislike Cruz as well for his salsa dance TD celebration? If not, what is the distinction?
If you haven't heard it I suggest you listen to Cruz's interview from yesterday I think on Giants.com. He talks about the reversal of roles he and Odell have had from first Cruz encouraging and mentoring Odell through his first training camp and first quarter of his rookie season struggle to get past his hamstring injury, to the way Odell has encouraged and mentored Cruz through his struggle to come back from the patella tendon and calf surgeries.
By any account, Cruz portrays Odell as an excellent, caring, intelligent and passionate team mate.
Maybe that will alter your opinion of Beckham - at least slightly.
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they do on the field.
You don't? You'd be in a vast minority then, because everyone on this board has been calling guys like Terrell Owens and Desean Jackson (whose behavior I find identical to Beckham's) assholes and worse for years.
Next time Beckham runs out to the star at midfield at Cowboys stadium or breaks out a sharpie......etc...etc.
Comparing him to T.O. Is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen on this board.
He's incredibly talented and also has room to grow up.
He's incredibly talented and also has room to grow up.
I'm pretty conservative when it comes to expressiveness. However, to "like him less" or not be able to root for him when he's had two of the best seasons a young WR has ever had is complete self righteousness. There's no two ways about it. If this were Freddie Mitchell or someone I'd understand it.
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a generational thing. Everyone's allowed their own take on it, within reason.
He's incredibly talented and also has room to grow up.
I'm pretty conservative when it comes to expressiveness. However, to "like him less" or not be able to root for him when he's had two of the best seasons a young WR has ever had is complete self righteousness. There's no two ways about it. If this were Freddie Mitchell or someone I'd understand it.
So you're a great guy if you act like a jerk but score lots of touchdowns. Got it.
I guess fandom and stupidity really do go hand in hand.
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a generational thing. Everyone's allowed their own take on it, within reason.
He's incredibly talented and also has room to grow up.
I'm pretty conservative when it comes to expressiveness. However, to "like him less" or not be able to root for him when he's had two of the best seasons a young WR has ever had is complete self righteousness. There's no two ways about it. If this were Freddie Mitchell or someone I'd understand it.
So you're a great guy if you act like a jerk but score lots of touchdowns. Got it.
I guess fandom and stupidity really do go hand in hand.
No one said he's a great guy, Jesus. This is a strawman argument. Just that it's incredibly self righteous to not be able to root for him like many say given that he's has the possibility of being our best player since LT. If you want choir boys go to church. The fuck do you care if he's a jerk?
I see a lot less "rationalizations and hypocrisy" among most fans here than I see, as Ronnie put it so well, a hesitancy to leap from a dislike of his show boating obnoxious on the field behavior to labeling him a jerk, an idiot, a dumbass, or a bad person.
From your side you see rationalizations and hypocrisy, from the other side people see your judgemental disapprobation, narrow mindedness, and sanctimonious attitude.
I choose to rationalize and be hypocritical in your eyes than assume your views, which are no less a leap of faith. A documented leap of faith it appears by dint of reports of OBJs off field behavior.
If you haven't heard it I suggest you listen to Cruz's interview from yesterday I think on Giants.com. He talks about the reversal of roles he and Odell have had from first Cruz encouraging and mentoring Odell through his first training camp and first quarter of his rookie season struggle to get past his hamstring injury, to the way Odell has encouraged and mentored Cruz through his struggle to come back from the patella tendon and calf surgeries.
By any account, Cruz portrays Odell as an excellent, caring, intelligent and passionate team mate.
Maybe that will alter your opinion of Beckham - at least slightly.