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ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/27/2016 8:43 am
Figured this was big enough for it's own thread, and maybe for any and all non NYY/NYM trade talk.

According to a Chicago based MLB columnist, the White Sox "love" Red Sox #2 prospect Andrew Benintendi. If trade talks continue to progress with Chris Sale, he could be the front man in a multi player deal.

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Phil Rogers & #10004; @philgrogers
Can say @whitesox love @RedSox CF Andrew Benintendi. He could be the front man in a multi-player Chris Sale trade if talks progress.


Elsewhere, Papelbon blew his 2nd consecutive save last night with the Nationals prompting Dusty to consider a change at closer.

With Chapman already dealt, they can turn their attention to 3 other trade targets: Andrew Miller, Wade Davis, and David Robertson. With the Nats taking Trea Turner, Giolito, and Robles off the table, Miller and Davis might be out of the question, but Robertson could be an option.
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So the Nats need a closer..  
Vin R : 7/27/2016 8:53 am : link
But don't want to give up one of their 3 top prospects.. HA ok
It made sense not to put the top guys in for Chapman.  
TheManUpstairs : 7/27/2016 9:06 am : link
But with Miller's contract, it's going to take top prospects.
Torres isn't a top guy?  
Greg from LI : 7/27/2016 9:09 am : link
#27 in the BA midseason top 100 list
never mind, misunderstood what you were saying  
Greg from LI : 7/27/2016 9:10 am : link
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Sale would make the Bosox rather formidable.  
Victor in CT : 7/27/2016 9:15 am : link
Nats are pissing up a flag pole if they think they're getting a Miller-type without giving up top prospects. The Chapman deal reset the market upward, and the Papelbon implosion has only driven up the price for them.
The Dodgers are also willing to include Urias in a deal for Sale  
robbieballs2003 : 7/27/2016 9:18 am : link
This could get interesting.
it would definitely make them better  
Greg from LI : 7/27/2016 9:21 am : link
The rest of their pitching staff would still be mediocre at best, though.
RE: it would definitely make them better  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/27/2016 9:28 am : link
In comment 13046479 Greg from LI said:
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The rest of their pitching staff would still be mediocre at best, though.


I'm not so sure about that.

You put Sale with Price (not on his game this year, but we know what he can be at the top of his form) at the top of that tandem. Pomeranz as the 3, with a 2.84 ERA, and you round it out with Porcello (13-2, 3.57 ERA), and Steven Wright (12-5, 3.12) you've got 5 pretty solid pitchers. You knock the completely ineffctive Buchholz out of the rotation conversation.

For a Wild Card or playoff rotation that's a pretty dominant 3-headed monster headlined with Sale-Price.
Outside of Sale, none of those guys would particularly scare me  
Greg from LI : 7/27/2016 9:39 am : link
Price looks pretty mediocre this year, and he was awful in the playoffs for Toronto this year. Pomeranz was nothing special before this year and isn't off to a great start in Boston. Steven Wright is a fucking pumpkin ready for the clock to strike midnight and he's been shit over the past month. Porcello is meh. Decent starter, hardly one anyone is particularly worried about.
Outside of Cleveland  
robbieballs2003 : 7/27/2016 9:43 am : link
What teams have great rotations in the AL? If Boston got Sale they could be argued as the second best rotation. Am I missing a team?
Toronto has a better rotation  
Greg from LI : 7/27/2016 9:51 am : link
I don't know how Marco Estrada does it, but the guy is somehow very effective. Happ's resurrected his career, and Aaron Sanchez is terrific.

And aside from the rotation, Boston's pen isn't particularly good either.
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arcarsenal : 7/27/2016 9:52 am : link
Sale to Boston would be very Red Sox.

I could see that happening. Can they get him without including Moncada, though?

I hope the Yankees either keep winning so that they keep Miller and don't deal him to the Nationals or if they do decide to deal him, absolutely rape Washington's farm in the process.

They're in trouble with Papelbon right now.
RE: Toronto has a better rotation  
robbieballs2003 : 7/27/2016 9:53 am : link
In comment 13046543 Greg from LI said:
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I don't know how Marco Estrada does it, but the guy is somehow very effective. Happ's resurrected his career, and Aaron Sanchez is terrific.

And aside from the rotation, Boston's pen isn't particularly good either.


Toronto's best pitcher is on an innings limit. Hard to put them over Boston in terms of their playoff rotation.
RE: .  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/27/2016 9:57 am : link
In comment 13046546 arcarsenal said:
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Sale to Boston would be very Red Sox.

I could see that happening. Can they get him without including Moncada, though?

I hope the Yankees either keep winning so that they keep Miller and don't deal him to the Nationals or if they do decide to deal him, absolutely rape Washington's farm in the process.

They're in trouble with Papelbon right now.


I think a package around Benitendi would work. Benitendi checked in at #9 in the midseason top 100 prospects. Boston also has the #41 prospect in that report in 3B Rafael Devers and #93 in fireballer Michael Kopech.

I think you would start at Benitentdi and Devers, and build on top of that. Supposedly the White Sox have said "no" to the Rangers offer of Profar/Gallo.
Yeah, I read that the White Sox said no to Profar and Gallo  
robbieballs2003 : 7/27/2016 10:00 am : link
They wanted Mazara added in as well.
the plain fact of the matter is that David Price sucks this year  
Greg from LI : 7/27/2016 10:00 am : link
Acting as if he's the same Price of five years ago is silly. He was dogshit in the playoffs last year, to the point that he was relegated to the bullpen. So beyond him, you have Porcello, who is having a good year but has been thoroughly average for most of his career, Pomeranz, who ain't pitching to NL teams in Petco anymore, and a 31 year old knuckleballer who came into the season with 10 MLB starts to his name. Yeah, Wright had his little Cinderella run in the first half of the season but he's been getting lit up for a month.
Greg I do not disagree with that  
robbieballs2003 : 7/27/2016 10:06 am : link
But Sanchez isn't going to be able to last much longer with his innings limit.

What rotation would you rather have in the playoffs?

Happ, Estrada, Stroman, and Dickey

Or

Sale, Price, Porcello, Estrada/Pomeranz
Profar  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2016 10:08 am : link
and Gallo and they said no?

I guess because Sale is under affordable contract for three more years after this makes him more than a rental.



I also think Sale's become a bit overrated  
Greg from LI : 7/27/2016 10:13 am : link
Since that monster season two years ago, he's been good but not great. His strikeouts are way down this year and homers are up. Fenway is a tough park for lefty pitchers.
Sale trade is going to leave  
spike : 7/27/2016 10:13 am : link
A farm system barren. So very few teams can afford that
RE: I also think Sale's become a bit overrated  
robbieballs2003 : 7/27/2016 10:14 am : link
In comment 13046612 Greg from LI said:
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Since that monster season two years ago, he's been good but not great. His strikeouts are way down this year and homers are up. Fenway is a tough park for lefty pitchers.


A bit overrated? He was overshadowing Arrieta in the first half of the year. He has had some hiccups since then but he is still a top pitcher in baseball.
yes, he got off to a fast start  
Greg from LI : 7/27/2016 10:21 am : link
But over the past two months, his ERA is 4.50, WHIP is up to 1.203, 11 homers in 8 starts. He's been really up and down lately, and he had a bit of a down year last season. Like I said, he's been good but not great overall in the past couple of seasons.
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arcarsenal : 7/27/2016 10:22 am : link
I didn't think Sale had a down year at all last year. He had the best FIP in baseball, struck out like 275 batters (led the league in that as well), best K/BB in the AL.

His ERA has been misleading in each of the last two years for the reverse reasons. He was much better than that number indicated last year and he's been worse than it indicates this year.
The bottom line is that he is an ace  
robbieballs2003 : 7/27/2016 10:26 am : link
And these types of players rarely become available in trades with very reasonable contracts.
FIP isn't my favorite stat  
Greg from LI : 7/27/2016 10:28 am : link
It has its uses, but it assume all contact is equal. Sale got hit a good bit harder last year than he had in the past. Some of that can be attributed to luck, but his XBH allowed went up noticeably.
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arcarsenal : 7/27/2016 10:32 am : link
.327 BABIP last year compared to .257 this year also tells you there was some bad luck involved last year but not this year. I didn't see a lot of CHW games last year but IIRC, the defense behind him was kinda garbage in 2015.
Sale is  
RAIN : 7/27/2016 5:04 pm : link
worth Profar and Gallo plus.

I don't think Sale is getting moved.

I'm thinking any deal would start with Mazara.
Atlanta Braves  
Jay on the Island : 7/27/2016 5:54 pm : link
Trade P Lucas Harrell and ex-met P Dario Alvarez to the Rangers for 2013 1st round pick Travis Demeritte. Great trade for Atlanta IMO as they get a kid in high A who already has 25 homeruns this year.
I like Sale...  
Dunedin81 : 7/27/2016 7:24 pm : link
For some teams that's a ----load of eggs to put in that sort of basket. For the Sox, with a lot of young position players at the MLB level, I don't think it's as big a consideration. Dealing Moncada or Benintendi would be a blow, but with what they have under team control for the next few years they'll bounce back. But for the Yankees that would be a very tough row to hoe, for precisely that reason. If his arm falls off, which it certainly could, you have nothing to show for the loss of half your farm system.
RE: Sale is  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 7/27/2016 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13047414 RAIN said:
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worth Profar and Gallo plus.

I don't think Sale is getting moved.

I'm thinking any deal would start with Mazara.


From what I've read, nobody wants Gallo at this point and the Rangers are actually "hiding him" in AAA so not to be exposed in the majors.
Lucroy  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/28/2016 11:51 am : link
not in the starting line up today....Possibly on the move?
RE: Lucroy  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2016 12:10 pm : link
In comment 13048345 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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not in the starting line up today....Possibly on the move?


Poor numbers vs. lefties the past 2 seasons.
RE: RE: Sale is  
arcarsenal : 7/28/2016 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13047594 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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In comment 13047414 RAIN said:


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worth Profar and Gallo plus.

I don't think Sale is getting moved.

I'm thinking any deal would start with Mazara.



From what I've read, nobody wants Gallo at this point and the Rangers are actually "hiding him" in AAA so not to be exposed in the majors.


Then why did they call him up this week and have him playing with the big club? He hit a HR, too.
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DanMetroMan : 7/28/2016 12:20 pm : link
McCullers aimed at Jonathan Mayo

Lance McCullers Jr. ‏@LMcCullers43 42s42 seconds ago
Lance McCullers Jr. Retweeted Jonathan Mayo
Save it. You would drill me every chance... I was referring to when I made my debut..You all buried me, still try.
Mayo has gotten better since Callis joined him...  
Dunedin81 : 7/28/2016 12:58 pm : link
he used to basically regurgitate the info others gave, when asked about guys he wasn't as familiar with his answers were shitty.
But either way, there is something unseemly...  
Dunedin81 : 7/28/2016 1:12 pm : link
about talking about these guys like pieces of meat, and being so dismissive of their talent. The scouting process necessarily does so, but the new generation of prospect gurus lets everyone see it.
plus there are way too many supposed gurus of questionable ability  
Greg from LI : 7/28/2016 1:23 pm : link
And they comport themselves in the snarky, flip manner that seems to be endemic of everyone under the age of 35 or so.
I just picture some Mom excitedly asking...  
Dunedin81 : 7/28/2016 2:46 pm : link
about the potential of her bonus baby son only to be told he's a 4th OF at best or he won't get out of High A.
Some late night/early morning trades:  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/29/2016 8:27 am : link
Eduardo Nunez was traded to the SF Giants for pitcher Adalberto Mejia. Nunez has been on fire this year, and was the Twins only All Star, hitting .296 with 12 homers, 47 RBI's and 26 steals.

Marlins have an agreement in place to acquire Padres pitcher Andrew Cashner. Marlins were rumored to be interested in Pineda.
...  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2016 8:31 am : link
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 12m12 minutes ago
Source confirms: #Marlins getting Cashner from #Padres. First reported: @Buster_ESPN.
...  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2016 8:34 am : link
Devan Fink @DevanFink 2m2 minutes ago
The Marlins have acquired Andrew Cashner and Colin Rea from the Padres, as @Buster_ESPN first reported. Return unknown right now.
D'Arnaud  
Steve in South Jersey : 7/29/2016 8:38 am : link
Read that the Mets offered D'Arnaud straight up for Lucroy and were refused.
Naylor said to be one of the players in the package...  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2016 8:46 am : link
the Marlins' top prospect. Thin system after graduations, but still a decent return for a rental and a starter in Rea who has not wowed in the early going.
That makes no sense  
BigBlueShock : 7/29/2016 8:46 am : link
There's no way the Brewers would accept a deal straight up for d' Arnaud. That's ridiculous. Maybe the Mets threw that out there to get talks going, but there's no way that could be their final offer.
Meltdown in the 9th for Nationals  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 7/29/2016 8:47 am : link
again last night. Hopefully desperation leads them to release a top prospect.

Papelbon allowed 2 one out baserunners and was yanked mid save opportunity for Oliver Perez/Shawn Kelly who ended up getting the job done.
...  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2016 8:50 am : link

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
Industry still skeptical that #WhiteSox will move Sale. However, spoke with GM last night who said for first time he thinks its possible

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
Asked GM why. He said, The tone of it. They've never even responded before. There's at least a discussion. Still not sure they get enough.
hah  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2016 9:00 am : link
D'Arnaud one for one for Lucroy? Is it April Fool's Day? D'Arnaud has barely played more games in 2015-16 as Lucroy has this year alone, and while Lucroy is an established star and two-time All-Star, he's less than three years older than d'Arnaud so it's not even as if Milwaukee would get significantly younger.
RE: hah  
Metnut : 7/29/2016 9:13 am : link
In comment 13049248 Greg from LI said:
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D'Arnaud one for one for Lucroy? Is it April Fool's Day? D'Arnaud has barely played more games in 2015-16 as Lucroy has this year alone, and while Lucroy is an established star and two-time All-Star, he's less than three years older than d'Arnaud so it's not even as if Milwaukee would get significantly younger.


Lucroy is a free agent after 2017. D'arnaud is controlled through 2020. Mets would have to add to D'arnaud but those extra years are very very important, especially to small market teams.
RE: ...  
spike : 7/29/2016 9:15 am : link
In comment 13049240 Dunedin81 said:
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Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
Industry still skeptical that #WhiteSox will move Sale. However, spoke with GM last night who said for first time he thinks its possible

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
Asked GM why. He said, The tone of it. They've never even responded before. There's at least a discussion. Still not sure they get enough.


This trade market is lacking in starting pitching. Some team might back up two Brink trucks of prospects for Sale
RE: hah  
Steve in South Jersey : 7/29/2016 9:17 am : link
In comment 13049248 Greg from LI said:
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D'Arnaud one for one for Lucroy? Is it April Fool's Day? D'Arnaud has barely played more games in 2015-16 as Lucroy has this year alone, and while Lucroy is an established star and two-time All-Star, he's less than three years older than d'Arnaud so it's not even as if Milwaukee would get significantly younger.


I thought it was a ridiculous offer too. Pretty sure that it was Baseball Prospectus that wrote this rumor.
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