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BREAKING: Prosecutors drop remaining charges against officers in Freddie Gray case, bringing end to case without a conviction.
I find it hard to believe they did not have cameras covering the holding area of the van. That is basic shit, especially since many criminal prosecutions are won from tape from inside police cars
Driving in a manner to punish disorderly passengers is a common cop tactic. Asshole in the back seat mouthing off? Slam the brakes - people who are cuffed have a hard time preventing themselves from hitting the cage. Shuts them right up.
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened with Gray. But it wasn't a squad car - it was a van, and there was room for him to fly and snap his neck when the brakes were pegged.
I doubt the cop meant to kill him, but kill him he did, and it's a crying shame there's no justice on this one, not only for Gray, but for those affected by the inevitable violence in 3... 2.... 1...
Video shows no sudden stops or turns of van. Link - ( New Window )
They located video where the van wasn't making sudden stops or turns? I'm sure they didn't do it the entire ride. Are people really making the case that this was accidental?
"Judge Williams repeatedly said that prosecutors presented little or no evidence to support their broader theory in the case- that the officers acted unreasonably, and wilfully disregarded their training and general orders, when they decide not to secure Gray in a seat belt in the back of a police transport van, and that the decision directly led to his death."
Driving in a manner to punish disorderly passengers is a common cop tactic. Asshole in the back seat mouthing off? Slam the brakes - people who are cuffed have a hard time preventing themselves from hitting the cage. Shuts them right up.
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened with Gray. But it wasn't a squad car - it was a van, and there was room for him to fly and snap his neck when the brakes were pegged.
I doubt the cop meant to kill him, but kill him he did, and it's a crying shame there's no justice on this one, not only for Gray, but for those affected by the inevitable violence in 3... 2.... 1...
Video shows no sudden stops or turns of van. Link - ( New Window )
They located video where the van wasn't making sudden stops or turns? I'm sure they didn't do it the entire ride. Are people really making the case that this was accidental?
they represent police officers. Police officers were falsely charged with crimes that are now being dismissed. Why shouldn't they be happy? They aren't celebrating the death of Freddy Gray.
you're happy with the fact that officers disregard the policies they don't like?
Not surprised at the acquittal - but something that shouldn't have happened happened and there and not much has been done to prevent it from happening again. Yet, you cannot seem to understand why minority citizens do not trust the police.
Driving in a manner to punish disorderly passengers is a common cop tactic. Asshole in the back seat mouthing off? Slam the brakes - people who are cuffed have a hard time preventing themselves from hitting the cage. Shuts them right up.
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened with Gray. But it wasn't a squad car - it was a van, and there was room for him to fly and snap his neck when the brakes were pegged.
I doubt the cop meant to kill him, but kill him he did, and it's a crying shame there's no justice on this one, not only for Gray, but for those affected by the inevitable violence in 3... 2.... 1...
Video shows no sudden stops or turns of van. Link - ( New Window )
They located video where the van wasn't making sudden stops or turns? I'm sure they didn't do it the entire ride. Are people really making the case that this was accidental?
I stand by my statement.
"Freddie Gray suffered a single "high-energy injury" to his neck and spine — most likely caused when the police van in which he was riding suddenly decelerated, according to a copy of the autopsy report obtained by The Baltimore Sun." Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' impact - ( New Window )
if you're handcuffed and cannot break your fall or stop your momentum - does not take a whole lot of energy to break a neck. normal vehicle operation at 10-15 mph could make it happen
you're happy with the fact that officers disregard the policies they don't like?
Not surprised at the acquittal - but something that shouldn't have happened happened and there and not much has been done to prevent it from happening again. Yet, you cannot seem to understand why minority citizens do not trust the police.
Are you saying all 6 disregarded those policies? You couldn't have gotten all 6 into the van to restrain Grey.
They located video where the van wasn't making sudden stops or turns? I'm sure they didn't do it the entire ride. Are people really making the case that this was accidental?
1. With the way cities have traffic cameras set up all over the place, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that they could have tape on the entire ride.
2. Is the Medical Examiner considered "people?" Because he (or she) concluded that the death was, indeed, accidental.
policy, 2,3 - whoever knew he should have been handcuffed.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
A major component of her argument was that an "intentional rough ride" was the cause of death. If you're going to make that the method of death - might have been important to present some evidence of a rough ride - which she did not.
policy, 2,3 - whoever knew he should have been handcuffed.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
not sure if you are following along or what, but it's pretty clear that the 6 that were charged should not have been charged. The DA did a terrible job. We knew it going into the trials, and the African American judge pretty much said as much when he saw the case she presented. The DA will lose her job because of this at some point. It may not come in the form of a firing, but she's done.
Not related at all, other than on topic of people let go Â
not sure if you are following along or what, but it's pretty clear that the 6 that were charged should not have been charged. The DA did a terrible job. We knew it going into the trials, and the African American judge pretty much said as much when he saw the case she presented. The DA will lose her job because of this at some point. It may not come in the form of a firing, but she's done.
She's the perfect blend of panderer and "look at me". Thought she could sacrifice the law to get a career notch and whoops...
policy, 2,3 - whoever knew he should have been handcuffed.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
The trial revealed the seat belt policy was very recently added and that the officers were unaware of the new policy, or that's what i thought i read.
Also read that they placed him on the floor of the van, and experts testified he would likely have not have suffered serious injuries had he stayed there.
RE: Not related at all, other than on topic of people let go Â
policy, 2,3 - whoever knew he should have been handcuffed.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
The trial revealed the seat belt policy was very recently added and that the officers were unaware of the new policy, or that's what i thought i read.
Also read that they placed him on the floor of the van, and experts testified he would likely have not have suffered serious injuries had he stayed there.
Tell you what. I'll rent a U-Haul Van. You lie on the floor. I'll slam on the brakes at only 15 MPH. Let's see what happens.
not sure if you are following along or what, but it's pretty clear that the 6 that were charged should not have been charged. The DA did a terrible job. We knew it going into the trials, and the African American judge pretty much said as much when he saw the case she presented. The DA will lose her job because of this at some point. It may not come in the form of a firing, but she's done.
I've followed this fairly closely. I disagree with you with respect to the driver. I thought charges were possible, and an intense investigation of his actions was mandatory. I could also see acquittal on the basis of insufficient evidence. What I also see is a politically motivated overcharging of any cop within 1/2 mile of the innocent. Could 1 or 2 more be charged? Yes. All the other 5? NFW.
BTW. My understanding is that the DA is an elective office. If that's correct, you haven't seen the last of Mosely by a long shot.
I'm sorry. I thought you were the poster that said the people in the police union were sick f's. My mistake. I agree with you for the most part, for what it's worth.
policy, 2,3 - whoever knew he should have been handcuffed.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
The trial revealed the seat belt policy was very recently added and that the officers were unaware of the new policy, or that's what i thought i read.
Also read that they placed him on the floor of the van, and experts testified he would likely have not have suffered serious injuries had he stayed there.
Tell you what. I'll rent a U-Haul Van. You lie on the floor. I'll slam on the brakes at only 15 MPH. Let's see what happens.
Volunteers? >:)
they interviewed the other prisoner in the van and he said that there wasn't a rough ride.
Plus, there are many other experiments I can think of that you can do that cause self harm that would help the defense.
RE: Not related at all, other than on topic of people let go Â
policy, 2,3 - whoever knew he should have been handcuffed.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
The trial revealed the seat belt policy was very recently added and that the officers were unaware of the new policy, or that's what i thought i read.
Also read that they placed him on the floor of the van, and experts testified he would likely have not have suffered serious injuries had he stayed there.
Tell you what. I'll rent a U-Haul Van. You lie on the floor. I'll slam on the brakes at only 15 MPH. Let's see what happens.
Volunteers? >:)
Where is the evidence that the van driver slammed on the brakes?
Driving in a manner to punish disorderly passengers is a common cop tactic. Asshole in the back seat mouthing off? Slam the brakes - people who are cuffed have a hard time preventing themselves from hitting the cage. Shuts them right up.
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened with Gray. But it wasn't a squad car - it was a van, and there was room for him to fly and snap his neck when the brakes were pegged.
I doubt the cop meant to kill him, but kill him he did, and it's a crying shame there's no justice on this one, not only for Gray, but for those affected by the inevitable violence in 3... 2.... 1...
Video shows no sudden stops or turns of van. Link - ( New Window )
The video is from outside security cameras and is impossible for them to be able to cover the whole ride to the jail. Where is the video from inside the van that virtually every police dept i have heard of has set up in prisoner trasport vehicles?n
RE: Mosby tried to suppress testimony from the Medical Examiner... Â
That Gray's death was a "freakish accident," not a homicide. Mosby also attempted to silence the lead investigator on the the case - Detective Dawnyell Taylor - after Taylor found that the "evidence" Mosby wanted to present to the grand jury was full of inaccuracies and distortions. Mosby also attempted to prevent Taylor's case notes from being entered into the record. Luckily for Price and the other defendants, the judge wasn't having any of it.
Huh? The ME ruled it a homicide. Some of the defendants' lawyers tried to claim she told a detective it was a "freakish accident", then was later pressured into ruling it a homicide. The ME denied that under oath. While that's clearly hearsay, the judge only allowed it because of the other stuff the prosecutors withheld.
One of the things they withheld was a statement from the other detainee in the police van. One of the reasons it was withheld was because they thought his statements were ultimately worthless... the guy told cops Gray tried to injure himself, then later said the exact opposite. The judge criticized prosecutors for withholding it, but ultimately decided against entering it into evidence or dismissing the charges because of it.
Driving in a manner to punish disorderly passengers is a common cop tactic. Asshole in the back seat mouthing off? Slam the brakes - people who are cuffed have a hard time preventing themselves from hitting the cage. Shuts them right up.
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened with Gray. But it wasn't a squad car - it was a van, and there was room for him to fly and snap his neck when the brakes were pegged.
I doubt the cop meant to kill him, but kill him he did, and it's a crying shame there's no justice on this one, not only for Gray, but for those affected by the inevitable violence in 3... 2.... 1...
Video shows no sudden stops or turns of van. Link - ( New Window )
The video is from outside security cameras and is impossible for them to be able to cover the whole ride to the jail. Where is the video from inside the van that virtually every police dept i have heard of has set up in prisoner trasport vehicles?n
They got approved earlier this year for Baltimore.
they interviewed the other prisoner in the van and he said that there wasn't a rough ride.
Plus, there are many other experiments I can think of that you can do that cause self harm that would help the defense.
From a Baltimore Sun article...
"Allen's statement to police on the day of the arrest has not played a central role in the court proceedings against the officers to date. That's likely in part because in the days following, Allen recanted and denied that statement in media interviews."
policy, 2,3 - whoever knew he should have been handcuffed.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
The trial revealed the seat belt policy was very recently added and that the officers were unaware of the new policy, or that's what i thought i read.
Also read that they placed him on the floor of the van, and experts testified he would likely have not have suffered serious injuries had he stayed there.
Tell you what. I'll rent a U-Haul Van. You lie on the floor. I'll slam on the brakes at only 15 MPH. Let's see what happens.
Volunteers? >:)
There's zero evidence that happened. You want them convicted on a hunch?
this. although there are bad cops, there are also bad individuals and somehow our politicians and in this case the prosecutor that is looking to exploit cops to further their career. Look at that fool, Baltimore mayor in the same breath....opportunists and will use any crisis and individuals to stir up shit....most of this stuff is like Al Sharpton Tawanna Brawley like in nature...
I applaud Michael Jordan for stepping up just recently and donating money to cops and NAACP to seek to stop this nonsense before more families lose their loved ones to exploiters.
Driving in a manner to punish disorderly passengers is a common cop tactic. Asshole in the back seat mouthing off? Slam the brakes - people who are cuffed have a hard time preventing themselves from hitting the cage. Shuts them right up.
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened with Gray. But it wasn't a squad car - it was a van, and there was room for him to fly and snap his neck when the brakes were pegged.
I doubt the cop meant to kill him, but kill him he did, and it's a crying shame there's no justice on this one, not only for Gray, but for those affected by the inevitable violence in 3... 2.... 1...
Video shows no sudden stops or turns of van. Link - ( New Window )
The video is from outside security cameras and is impossible for them to be able to cover the whole ride to the jail. Where is the video from inside the van that virtually every police dept i have heard of has set up in prisoner trasport vehicles?n
They got approved earlier this year for Baltimore.
Most police vans of that size don't have cameras in the back and neither do most of the patrol cars.
I am guessing you just made that up :)
LOL...This actually is the only police force i have heard that does not have recording capabilities inside police vehicles, especially prisoner transport ones. Hell my little towns 10 man force even has them. The amount of cases you could close just from info gotten inside these vehicles makes them extremely cost effective
dash cams are almost ubiquitous at this point, body cams are in vogue though not universal, backseat cameras are hit or miss.
I wonder why people who are utterly convinced that Adnan Syed should never have been convicted wonder why the police here haven't been. This case seemed awash with reasonable doubt, and the prosecutor in this case seemed to raise expectations for outcomes unreasonably high.
Now the city and the people need to heal. Black Lives Matter so do Blue, and everyone else lives too. Michael Jordan said it best we all need to respect each other. Until that happens it will never change. We need more minorities to apply for jobs as cops in the inner cities. I believe when that number starts to go the problems will start to go down.
they interviewed the other prisoner in the van and he said that there wasn't a rough ride.
Plus, there are many other experiments I can think of that you can do that cause self harm that would help the defense.
From a Baltimore Sun article...
"Allen's statement to police on the day of the arrest has not played a central role in the court proceedings against the officers to date. That's likely in part because in the days following, Allen recanted and denied that statement in media interviews."
I would have recanted too if I lived in Baltimore, but an interview that happened before he found out about the media frenzy is more credible than after when he can now be a target of his community.
Freddie Gray had a history of injury for cash attempts, and self harm in police custody; looks like this one worked. He was the one acting like an animal when they tried to get him into the seat and his behavior made it reasonable for the cop to believe he could get injured trying.
dash cams are almost ubiquitous at this point, body cams are in vogue though not universal, backseat cameras are hit or miss.
I wonder why people who are utterly convinced that Adnan Syed should never have been convicted wonder why the police here haven't been. This case seemed awash with reasonable doubt, and the prosecutor in this case seemed to raise expectations for outcomes unreasonably high.
I am not arguing the decision of not prosecuting them at all. I am though wondering why a police dept would not utilize a very cost effective solution to trivial lawsuits, and a very effective investigative tool that seems just common sense to have
dash cams are almost ubiquitous at this point, body cams are in vogue though not universal, backseat cameras are hit or miss.
I wonder why people who are utterly convinced that Adnan Syed should never have been convicted wonder why the police here haven't been. This case seemed awash with reasonable doubt, and the prosecutor in this case seemed to raise expectations for outcomes unreasonably high.
I am not arguing the decision of not prosecuting them at all. I am though wondering why a police dept would not utilize a very cost effective solution to trivial lawsuits, and a very effective investigative tool that seems just common sense to have
Because they lost the first 3 cases and everyone knows the whole thing was bogus.
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Because they lost the first 3 cases and everyone knows the whole thing was bogus.
I believe Mosby stated she dropped the cases when she determined she could bring them to trial 100 times and lose every time.
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I have cop friends.
Driving in a manner to punish disorderly passengers is a common cop tactic. Asshole in the back seat mouthing off? Slam the brakes - people who are cuffed have a hard time preventing themselves from hitting the cage. Shuts them right up.
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened with Gray. But it wasn't a squad car - it was a van, and there was room for him to fly and snap his neck when the brakes were pegged.
I doubt the cop meant to kill him, but kill him he did, and it's a crying shame there's no justice on this one, not only for Gray, but for those affected by the inevitable violence in 3... 2.... 1...
Video shows no sudden stops or turns of van. Link - ( New Window )
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I have cop friends.
Driving in a manner to punish disorderly passengers is a common cop tactic. Asshole in the back seat mouthing off? Slam the brakes - people who are cuffed have a hard time preventing themselves from hitting the cage. Shuts them right up.
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened with Gray. But it wasn't a squad car - it was a van, and there was room for him to fly and snap his neck when the brakes were pegged.
I doubt the cop meant to kill him, but kill him he did, and it's a crying shame there's no justice on this one, not only for Gray, but for those affected by the inevitable violence in 3... 2.... 1...
Video shows no sudden stops or turns of van. Link - ( New Window )
They located video where the van wasn't making sudden stops or turns? I'm sure they didn't do it the entire ride. Are people really making the case that this was accidental?
Yes, buford
Justice was served - ( New Window )
That depends.
If you think they are guilty and were acquitted due to insufficient evidence you have a point
On they the other hand, if they were innocent people wrongly prosecuted than they have reason to celebrate.
I lol at this each time. You provide a fine service to BBI, Greg.
Not surprised at the acquittal - but something that shouldn't have happened happened and there and not much has been done to prevent it from happening again. Yet, you cannot seem to understand why minority citizens do not trust the police.
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I have cop friends.
Driving in a manner to punish disorderly passengers is a common cop tactic. Asshole in the back seat mouthing off? Slam the brakes - people who are cuffed have a hard time preventing themselves from hitting the cage. Shuts them right up.
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened with Gray. But it wasn't a squad car - it was a van, and there was room for him to fly and snap his neck when the brakes were pegged.
I doubt the cop meant to kill him, but kill him he did, and it's a crying shame there's no justice on this one, not only for Gray, but for those affected by the inevitable violence in 3... 2.... 1...
Video shows no sudden stops or turns of van. Link - ( New Window )
They located video where the van wasn't making sudden stops or turns? I'm sure they didn't do it the entire ride. Are people really making the case that this was accidental?
"Freddie Gray suffered a single "high-energy injury" to his neck and spine — most likely caused when the police van in which he was riding suddenly decelerated, according to a copy of the autopsy report obtained by The Baltimore Sun."
Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' impact - ( New Window )
Not surprised at the acquittal - but something that shouldn't have happened happened and there and not much has been done to prevent it from happening again. Yet, you cannot seem to understand why minority citizens do not trust the police.
Are you saying all 6 disregarded those policies? You couldn't have gotten all 6 into the van to restrain Grey.
1. With the way cities have traffic cameras set up all over the place, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that they could have tape on the entire ride.
2. Is the Medical Examiner considered "people?" Because he (or she) concluded that the death was, indeed, accidental.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
But 6 were criminally charged.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
The trial revealed the seat belt policy was very recently added and that the officers were unaware of the new policy, or that's what i thought i read.
Also read that they placed him on the floor of the van, and experts testified he would likely have not have suffered serious injuries had he stayed there.
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policy, 2,3 - whoever knew he should have been handcuffed.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
The trial revealed the seat belt policy was very recently added and that the officers were unaware of the new policy, or that's what i thought i read.
Also read that they placed him on the floor of the van, and experts testified he would likely have not have suffered serious injuries had he stayed there.
Volunteers? >:)
I've followed this fairly closely. I disagree with you with respect to the driver. I thought charges were possible, and an intense investigation of his actions was mandatory. I could also see acquittal on the basis of insufficient evidence. What I also see is a politically motivated overcharging of any cop within 1/2 mile of the innocent. Could 1 or 2 more be charged? Yes. All the other 5? NFW.
BTW. My understanding is that the DA is an elective office. If that's correct, you haven't seen the last of Mosely by a long shot.
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policy, 2,3 - whoever knew he should have been handcuffed.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
The trial revealed the seat belt policy was very recently added and that the officers were unaware of the new policy, or that's what i thought i read.
Also read that they placed him on the floor of the van, and experts testified he would likely have not have suffered serious injuries had he stayed there.
Tell you what. I'll rent a U-Haul Van. You lie on the floor. I'll slam on the brakes at only 15 MPH. Let's see what happens.
Volunteers? >:)
they interviewed the other prisoner in the van and he said that there wasn't a rough ride.
Plus, there are many other experiments I can think of that you can do that cause self harm that would help the defense.
He got screwed on the medal, too.
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policy, 2,3 - whoever knew he should have been handcuffed.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
The trial revealed the seat belt policy was very recently added and that the officers were unaware of the new policy, or that's what i thought i read.
Also read that they placed him on the floor of the van, and experts testified he would likely have not have suffered serious injuries had he stayed there.
Tell you what. I'll rent a U-Haul Van. You lie on the floor. I'll slam on the brakes at only 15 MPH. Let's see what happens.
Volunteers? >:)
Where is the evidence that the van driver slammed on the brakes?
Oh wait. There is none.
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I have cop friends.
Driving in a manner to punish disorderly passengers is a common cop tactic. Asshole in the back seat mouthing off? Slam the brakes - people who are cuffed have a hard time preventing themselves from hitting the cage. Shuts them right up.
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened with Gray. But it wasn't a squad car - it was a van, and there was room for him to fly and snap his neck when the brakes were pegged.
I doubt the cop meant to kill him, but kill him he did, and it's a crying shame there's no justice on this one, not only for Gray, but for those affected by the inevitable violence in 3... 2.... 1...
Video shows no sudden stops or turns of van. Link - ( New Window )
The video is from outside security cameras and is impossible for them to be able to cover the whole ride to the jail. Where is the video from inside the van that virtually every police dept i have heard of has set up in prisoner trasport vehicles?n
Huh? The ME ruled it a homicide. Some of the defendants' lawyers tried to claim she told a detective it was a "freakish accident", then was later pressured into ruling it a homicide. The ME denied that under oath. While that's clearly hearsay, the judge only allowed it because of the other stuff the prosecutors withheld.
One of the things they withheld was a statement from the other detainee in the police van. One of the reasons it was withheld was because they thought his statements were ultimately worthless... the guy told cops Gray tried to injure himself, then later said the exact opposite. The judge criticized prosecutors for withholding it, but ultimately decided against entering it into evidence or dismissing the charges because of it.
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I have cop friends.
Driving in a manner to punish disorderly passengers is a common cop tactic. Asshole in the back seat mouthing off? Slam the brakes - people who are cuffed have a hard time preventing themselves from hitting the cage. Shuts them right up.
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened with Gray. But it wasn't a squad car - it was a van, and there was room for him to fly and snap his neck when the brakes were pegged.
I doubt the cop meant to kill him, but kill him he did, and it's a crying shame there's no justice on this one, not only for Gray, but for those affected by the inevitable violence in 3... 2.... 1...
Video shows no sudden stops or turns of van. Link - ( New Window )
The video is from outside security cameras and is impossible for them to be able to cover the whole ride to the jail. Where is the video from inside the van that virtually every police dept i have heard of has set up in prisoner trasport vehicles?n
They got approved earlier this year for Baltimore.
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/city-officials-approve-cameras-in-police-transport-vans/38171142
Most police vans of that size don't have cameras in the back and neither do most of the patrol cars.
I am guessing you just made that up :)
they interviewed the other prisoner in the van and he said that there wasn't a rough ride.
Plus, there are many other experiments I can think of that you can do that cause self harm that would help the defense.
From a Baltimore Sun article...
"Allen's statement to police on the day of the arrest has not played a central role in the court proceedings against the officers to date. That's likely in part because in the days following, Allen recanted and denied that statement in media interviews."
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policy, 2,3 - whoever knew he should have been handcuffed.
but, it's broader than that - Megyn Kelly interviewed a cop (disguised identity) on air and they asserted that no one follows the policy. Meaning you may have a significant part of teh patrol force that does not follow orders in an alleged paramilitary organization. That's something to be happy about?
The trial revealed the seat belt policy was very recently added and that the officers were unaware of the new policy, or that's what i thought i read.
Also read that they placed him on the floor of the van, and experts testified he would likely have not have suffered serious injuries had he stayed there.
Tell you what. I'll rent a U-Haul Van. You lie on the floor. I'll slam on the brakes at only 15 MPH. Let's see what happens.
Volunteers? >:)
There's zero evidence that happened. You want them convicted on a hunch?
this. although there are bad cops, there are also bad individuals and somehow our politicians and in this case the prosecutor that is looking to exploit cops to further their career. Look at that fool, Baltimore mayor in the same breath....opportunists and will use any crisis and individuals to stir up shit....most of this stuff is like Al Sharpton Tawanna Brawley like in nature...
I applaud Michael Jordan for stepping up just recently and donating money to cops and NAACP to seek to stop this nonsense before more families lose their loved ones to exploiters.
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I have cop friends.
Driving in a manner to punish disorderly passengers is a common cop tactic. Asshole in the back seat mouthing off? Slam the brakes - people who are cuffed have a hard time preventing themselves from hitting the cage. Shuts them right up.
I'm guessing that's exactly what happened with Gray. But it wasn't a squad car - it was a van, and there was room for him to fly and snap his neck when the brakes were pegged.
I doubt the cop meant to kill him, but kill him he did, and it's a crying shame there's no justice on this one, not only for Gray, but for those affected by the inevitable violence in 3... 2.... 1...
Video shows no sudden stops or turns of van. Link - ( New Window )
The video is from outside security cameras and is impossible for them to be able to cover the whole ride to the jail. Where is the video from inside the van that virtually every police dept i have heard of has set up in prisoner trasport vehicles?n
They got approved earlier this year for Baltimore.
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/city-officials-approve-cameras-in-police-transport-vans/38171142
Most police vans of that size don't have cameras in the back and neither do most of the patrol cars.
I am guessing you just made that up :)
LOL...This actually is the only police force i have heard that does not have recording capabilities inside police vehicles, especially prisoner transport ones. Hell my little towns 10 man force even has them. The amount of cases you could close just from info gotten inside these vehicles makes them extremely cost effective
I wonder why people who are utterly convinced that Adnan Syed should never have been convicted wonder why the police here haven't been. This case seemed awash with reasonable doubt, and the prosecutor in this case seemed to raise expectations for outcomes unreasonably high.
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they interviewed the other prisoner in the van and he said that there wasn't a rough ride.
Plus, there are many other experiments I can think of that you can do that cause self harm that would help the defense.
From a Baltimore Sun article...
"Allen's statement to police on the day of the arrest has not played a central role in the court proceedings against the officers to date. That's likely in part because in the days following, Allen recanted and denied that statement in media interviews."
I would have recanted too if I lived in Baltimore, but an interview that happened before he found out about the media frenzy is more credible than after when he can now be a target of his community.
Freddie Gray had a history of injury for cash attempts, and self harm in police custody; looks like this one worked. He was the one acting like an animal when they tried to get him into the seat and his behavior made it reasonable for the cop to believe he could get injured trying.
I wonder why people who are utterly convinced that Adnan Syed should never have been convicted wonder why the police here haven't been. This case seemed awash with reasonable doubt, and the prosecutor in this case seemed to raise expectations for outcomes unreasonably high.
I am not arguing the decision of not prosecuting them at all. I am though wondering why a police dept would not utilize a very cost effective solution to trivial lawsuits, and a very effective investigative tool that seems just common sense to have
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dash cams are almost ubiquitous at this point, body cams are in vogue though not universal, backseat cameras are hit or miss.
I wonder why people who are utterly convinced that Adnan Syed should never have been convicted wonder why the police here haven't been. This case seemed awash with reasonable doubt, and the prosecutor in this case seemed to raise expectations for outcomes unreasonably high.
I am not arguing the decision of not prosecuting them at all. I am though wondering why a police dept would not utilize a very cost effective solution to trivial lawsuits, and a very effective investigative tool that seems just common sense to have
I entirely agree on that point.