He should retire within the top 10 in yards and tds. Shucks isn't he already within the top 10 in one of those categories?
To me it's not debatable that he's a lock for the HOF. A third SB would make it happen a lot sooner though.
If Eli finally has those "stat" seasons, QBR 100+ for next 3 years
Eli is a lock for first ballot Hall of Fame if he wins a SB an has three of those 4700+, 40+TD, 14 or less INT type seasons and a 100 QBR. Add a 3rd ring, NFL MVP and well there ya go.
I personally think he'll put up superb numbers these next three years due to McAdoo's offense, NFL rules being what they are, and the fact that this team has offensive talent.
in case you haven't noticed passing stats are a joke since the lockout. More than half of the top 50 yardage seasons have occured in the last 5 years. It's an even higher percentage for top passing td seasons.
Ralphie Boy - "In order to really, really, really solidify his legacy, Eli needs to win a fourth Super Bowl. That's all there is to it."
Fuck Ralphie.
He wins a fourth SB I'll be ecstatic. Many pundits don't believe we'll make a run this year due to some holes that we haven't corrected yet: RT, RG, RB, WLB, MLB and FS mostly.
I'm here to say we'll be "good enough" at all of these positions if we stay healthy. We will rotate guys on the DLine; we'll move LB's around for matchups & down/distance scenarios; and, we'll have solid safety play by mid-season if not sooner. Health is our only concern.
Are there any QB's that have won two super bowls that are
not in the HOF ?
Ralph has a point about the age factor it does sadden me
that Reece and company have wasted Eli's Prime years lets
hope his Iron Man streak continues .
Sure there are legitimate question marks and I think Reece
knows this as well and would be a fool not to add a few
more pieces to the puzzle before the end of camp .
Some here under value a guy like Jennings slated to be the
work horse with zero dependability behind him .
I am a half full guy we could have won 9 games last year
with a bit of luck .
If all pans out 10-11 wins is doable ....
Jim Plunkett won two Super Bowls (one SB MVP) and is not in the Hall of Fame.
True, but Plunkett was never really a great regular season QB - at least not consistently. He just didn't have the statistical career which warranted his being in the HOF. Eli does, especially if he has a strong finish under McAdoo with a 100 QBR for say the next two years. Possible in this offense with the weapons we have.
but with that said, Eli has missed the playoffs a lot. whether that's fair to him or not, if you count the rings, you also have to count the misses.
a sure fire HOF QB gets his team into the playoffs more than Eli has.
So, yes, how he finishes his career will tell the story of his legacy.
He doesn't need to get another ring. but he does need to get his team into the playoffs to even have a shot at first round induction.
What's funny also is that he didn't really start missing it until recently. Until 2013, the Giants had never had a losing season (couple .500 seasons in there).
RE: Eli's position on leaderboards will be fleeting
in case you haven't noticed passing stats are a joke since the lockout. More than half of the top 50 yardage seasons have occured in the last 5 years. It's an even higher percentage for top passing td seasons.
but with that said, Eli has missed the playoffs a lot. whether that's fair to him or not, if you count the rings, you also have to count the misses.
a sure fire HOF QB gets his team into the playoffs more than Eli has.
So, yes, how he finishes his career will tell the story of his legacy.
He doesn't need to get another ring. but he does need to get his team into the playoffs to even have a shot at first round induction.
This is fairly dopey. You made up that measuring stick. Go watch the SB seasons again, AND look at his stats, AND realize how his clutch play never faltered, and THEN tell us he needs more playoff appearances.
the point is that IF you want to count his rings, you also have to count the times he didn't get it done. going all the way is a special achievement. I'm not discounting that.
but not getting to the playoffs in a crappy division, when almost half the teams in the NFL make it to the playoffs? when simply making it to the playoffs is a fairly low bar? A special QB who can't make the playoffs? year after year after year? in today's NFL?
I'm not blaming Eli. he's a good QB. but he still has to prove that he's great.
the point is that IF you want to count his rings, you also have to count the times he didn't get it done. going all the way is a special achievement. I'm not discounting that.
but not getting to the playoffs in a crappy division, when almost half the teams in the NFL make it to the playoffs? when simply making it to the playoffs is a fairly low bar? A special QB who can't make the playoffs? year after year after year? in today's NFL?
I'm not blaming Eli. he's a good QB. but he still has to prove that he's great.
Making the playoffs is a team effort, and the Giants not making the playoffs for the last three years is a less a product of Eli and more a product of a team lacking in talent due to bad drafting, questionable free agent signings, and an inordinate and unfathomable amount of injuries. At the very least, when the Giants have made the playoffs, Eli has come up big more often than not. He was outstanding in the post-season in 2007-2008, and in 2011-2012, with a completely different corps of WRs, he carried the team into the post-season and led them to their second Super Bowl championship in four years. Big players do it in big spots, and Eli has done it twice. If that isn't great, I don't know what is.
To finish his career 6th or 7th in yards and passes. That alone should get you in Canton. 2 super bowl rings against the greatest dynasty of his era should be enough to get him into Canton. Eli has accomplished both.
To finish his career 6th or 7th in yards and passes. That alone should get you in Canton. 2 super bowl rings against the greatest dynasty of his era should be enough to get him into Canton. Eli has accomplished both.
Eli needs 3 years of 100 QBR, AllPro, Probowls, 40+ TD's, and a Super Bowl trophy and MVP to put his legacy down as one of the all-time great pressure QB's. This system will allow him to fourish and he stays in great shape. If he plays through 2020, all at a high level, well he's a lock of course.
Heck, Eli is a first ballot HOF QB right now. It would be solidified if he could have that 5,000 yard, 45 TD, 8 INT season and get named first team ALLPRO and go far in the playoffs. Stats are a big thing with voters because of the Fantasy Football world. I'm more about the trophy, the pressure throws, the guts. Many aren't.
To finish his career 6th or 7th in yards and passes. That alone should get you in Canton. 2 super bowl rings against the greatest dynasty of his era should be enough to get him into Canton. Eli has accomplished both.
Eli needs 3 years of 100 QBR, AllPro, Probowls, 40+ TD's, and a Super Bowl trophy and MVP to put his legacy down as one of the all-time great pressure QB's. This system will allow him to fourish and he stays in great shape. If he plays through 2020, all at a high level, well he's a lock of course.
Heck, Eli is a first ballot HOF QB right now. It would be solidified if he could have that 5,000 yard, 45 TD, 8 INT season and get named first team ALLPRO and go far in the playoffs. Stats are a big thing with voters because of the Fantasy Football world. I'm more about the trophy, the pressure throws, the guts. Many aren't.
You're wrong on this, bro. Firstly, QBR isn't the same thing as quarterback/passer rating. Getting a 100 QBR is impossible. Brady's career high is around 84.
Forgetting that, your whole posts contradicts itself with your first and last point. Addressing your first point and what seems to be the premise of your post, getting a 100+ QB Rating (or any kind of outlier season) isn't necessary for anything.
If Eli could just play through the next three seasons entirely, that would be incredible. (Over 14 consecutive seasons as a starting QB in the NFL; over 230 consecutive regular season games.) If he puts together numbers similar to the last two seasons over the next three, he would be 6th all time in completions, 6th in TD passes, and 6th in total passing yards. His passer rating would be around 86.5 career (virtually the same as Marino, good for 21st all time). Not to mention passer rating is largely overrated.
Throwing out numbers like 5000 yards and 40 TDs is nonsensical. I hate these type of HOF debates anyway. Ralph needs to go to work and not phone in with this bs type of sports talk soapbox crap.
Sorry I ranted. Just, QBR isn't the same as passer rating and Eli doesn't need to have a freak season to get in the hall. He needs to be old reliable. He's good enough as is.
To finish his career 6th or 7th in yards and passes. That alone should get you in Canton. 2 super bowl rings against the greatest dynasty of his era should be enough to get him into Canton. Eli has accomplished both.
Eli needs 3 years of 100 QBR, AllPro, Probowls, 40+ TD's, and a Super Bowl trophy and MVP to put his legacy down as one of the all-time great pressure QB's. This system will allow him to fourish and he stays in great shape. If he plays through 2020, all at a high level, well he's a lock of course.
Heck, Eli is a first ballot HOF QB right now. It would be solidified if he could have that 5,000 yard, 45 TD, 8 INT season and get named first team ALLPRO and go far in the playoffs. Stats are a big thing with voters because of the Fantasy Football world. I'm more about the trophy, the pressure throws, the guts. Many aren't.
You're wrong on this, bro. Firstly, QBR isn't the same thing as quarterback/passer rating. Getting a 100 QBR is impossible. Brady's career high is around 84.
Forgetting that, your whole posts contradicts itself with your first and last point. Addressing your first point and what seems to be the premise of your post, getting a 100+ QB Rating (or any kind of outlier season) isn't necessary for anything.
If Eli could just play through the next three seasons entirely, that would be incredible. (Over 14 consecutive seasons as a starting QB in the NFL; over 230 consecutive regular season games.) If he puts together numbers similar to the last two seasons over the next three, he would be 6th all time in completions, 6th in TD passes, and 6th in total passing yards. His passer rating would be around 86.5 career (virtually the same as Marino, good for 21st all time). Not to mention passer rating is largely overrated.
Throwing out numbers like 5000 yards and 40 TDs is nonsensical. I hate these type of HOF debates anyway. Ralph needs to go to work and not phone in with this bs type of sports talk soapbox crap.
Sorry I ranted. Just, QBR isn't the same as passer rating and Eli doesn't need to have a freak season to get in the hall. He needs to be old reliable. He's good enough as is.
100+ passer rating it is. I do believe Eli is already a first ballot HOF QB. I do BUT do some writers who don't like NY'ers think the same. I was STUNNED that DE Strahan didn't get a first ballot HOF vote in. Just stunned. A ring, 7 probowls, etc.
If Eli has three seasons of 100+ passer rating; a SB ring #3 and a few probowls he just makes it impossible for anyone to keep him out. That is the premise of my post: make it impossible for him to be passed over for any legit reason. Remember, Eli turns the ball over a lot leading the league 3x.
I predict Eli will have the best season of his career this year under McAdoo and the WCO. Just stay healthy and do damage in the playoffs.
I have a Walter Camp Pamphlet when Plunkett won the Heisman
Oh and the Giants took future star wr Bobby Gatewood ND
ehh anyways it reads To Bobby the Best Jim Plunkett
either way Eli will be top 7-8 in every passing record that
matters by the Time he is done I'm hoping for Two more Rings
in back to back fashion ...Think Garry Wright Spooky Tooth
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To me it's not debatable that he's a lock for the HOF. A third SB would make it happen a lot sooner though.
I personally think he'll put up superb numbers these next three years due to McAdoo's offense, NFL rules being what they are, and the fact that this team has offensive talent.
He needs more hardware
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Fuck Ralphie.
Fuck Ralphie.
I'm here to say we'll be "good enough" at all of these positions if we stay healthy. We will rotate guys on the DLine; we'll move LB's around for matchups & down/distance scenarios; and, we'll have solid safety play by mid-season if not sooner. Health is our only concern.
not in the HOF ?
Ralph has a point about the age factor it does sadden me
that Reece and company have wasted Eli's Prime years lets
hope his Iron Man streak continues .
Sure there are legitimate question marks and I think Reece
knows this as well and would be a fool not to add a few
more pieces to the puzzle before the end of camp .
Some here under value a guy like Jennings slated to be the
work horse with zero dependability behind him .
I am a half full guy we could have won 9 games last year
with a bit of luck .
If all pans out 10-11 wins is doable ....
not in the HOF ?
And the answer is yes, Jim Plunkett.
but with that said, Eli has missed the playoffs a lot. whether that's fair to him or not, if you count the rings, you also have to count the misses.
a sure fire HOF QB gets his team into the playoffs more than Eli has.
So, yes, how he finishes his career will tell the story of his legacy.
He doesn't need to get another ring. but he does need to get his team into the playoffs to even have a shot at first round induction.
but with that said, Eli has missed the playoffs a lot. whether that's fair to him or not, if you count the rings, you also have to count the misses.
a sure fire HOF QB gets his team into the playoffs more than Eli has.
So, yes, how he finishes his career will tell the story of his legacy.
He doesn't need to get another ring. but he does need to get his team into the playoffs to even have a shot at first round induction.
He needs more hardware Link - ( New Window )
but with that said, Eli has missed the playoffs a lot. whether that's fair to him or not, if you count the rings, you also have to count the misses.
a sure fire HOF QB gets his team into the playoffs more than Eli has.
So, yes, how he finishes his career will tell the story of his legacy.
He doesn't need to get another ring. but he does need to get his team into the playoffs to even have a shot at first round induction.
but not getting to the playoffs in a crappy division, when almost half the teams in the NFL make it to the playoffs? when simply making it to the playoffs is a fairly low bar? A special QB who can't make the playoffs? year after year after year? in today's NFL?
I'm not blaming Eli. he's a good QB. but he still has to prove that he's great.
but not getting to the playoffs in a crappy division, when almost half the teams in the NFL make it to the playoffs? when simply making it to the playoffs is a fairly low bar? A special QB who can't make the playoffs? year after year after year? in today's NFL?
I'm not blaming Eli. he's a good QB. but he still has to prove that he's great.
Making the playoffs is a team effort, and the Giants not making the playoffs for the last three years is a less a product of Eli and more a product of a team lacking in talent due to bad drafting, questionable free agent signings, and an inordinate and unfathomable amount of injuries. At the very least, when the Giants have made the playoffs, Eli has come up big more often than not. He was outstanding in the post-season in 2007-2008, and in 2011-2012, with a completely different corps of WRs, he carried the team into the post-season and led them to their second Super Bowl championship in four years. Big players do it in big spots, and Eli has done it twice. If that isn't great, I don't know what is.
Heck, Eli is a first ballot HOF QB right now. It would be solidified if he could have that 5,000 yard, 45 TD, 8 INT season and get named first team ALLPRO and go far in the playoffs. Stats are a big thing with voters because of the Fantasy Football world. I'm more about the trophy, the pressure throws, the guts. Many aren't.
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To finish his career 6th or 7th in yards and passes. That alone should get you in Canton. 2 super bowl rings against the greatest dynasty of his era should be enough to get him into Canton. Eli has accomplished both.
Eli needs 3 years of 100 QBR, AllPro, Probowls, 40+ TD's, and a Super Bowl trophy and MVP to put his legacy down as one of the all-time great pressure QB's. This system will allow him to fourish and he stays in great shape. If he plays through 2020, all at a high level, well he's a lock of course.
Heck, Eli is a first ballot HOF QB right now. It would be solidified if he could have that 5,000 yard, 45 TD, 8 INT season and get named first team ALLPRO and go far in the playoffs. Stats are a big thing with voters because of the Fantasy Football world. I'm more about the trophy, the pressure throws, the guts. Many aren't.
You're wrong on this, bro. Firstly, QBR isn't the same thing as quarterback/passer rating. Getting a 100 QBR is impossible. Brady's career high is around 84.
Forgetting that, your whole posts contradicts itself with your first and last point. Addressing your first point and what seems to be the premise of your post, getting a 100+ QB Rating (or any kind of outlier season) isn't necessary for anything.
If Eli could just play through the next three seasons entirely, that would be incredible. (Over 14 consecutive seasons as a starting QB in the NFL; over 230 consecutive regular season games.) If he puts together numbers similar to the last two seasons over the next three, he would be 6th all time in completions, 6th in TD passes, and 6th in total passing yards. His passer rating would be around 86.5 career (virtually the same as Marino, good for 21st all time). Not to mention passer rating is largely overrated.
Throwing out numbers like 5000 yards and 40 TDs is nonsensical. I hate these type of HOF debates anyway. Ralph needs to go to work and not phone in with this bs type of sports talk soapbox crap.
Sorry I ranted. Just, QBR isn't the same as passer rating and Eli doesn't need to have a freak season to get in the hall. He needs to be old reliable. He's good enough as is.
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To finish his career 6th or 7th in yards and passes. That alone should get you in Canton. 2 super bowl rings against the greatest dynasty of his era should be enough to get him into Canton. Eli has accomplished both.
Eli needs 3 years of 100 QBR, AllPro, Probowls, 40+ TD's, and a Super Bowl trophy and MVP to put his legacy down as one of the all-time great pressure QB's. This system will allow him to fourish and he stays in great shape. If he plays through 2020, all at a high level, well he's a lock of course.
Heck, Eli is a first ballot HOF QB right now. It would be solidified if he could have that 5,000 yard, 45 TD, 8 INT season and get named first team ALLPRO and go far in the playoffs. Stats are a big thing with voters because of the Fantasy Football world. I'm more about the trophy, the pressure throws, the guts. Many aren't.
You're wrong on this, bro. Firstly, QBR isn't the same thing as quarterback/passer rating. Getting a 100 QBR is impossible. Brady's career high is around 84.
Forgetting that, your whole posts contradicts itself with your first and last point. Addressing your first point and what seems to be the premise of your post, getting a 100+ QB Rating (or any kind of outlier season) isn't necessary for anything.
If Eli could just play through the next three seasons entirely, that would be incredible. (Over 14 consecutive seasons as a starting QB in the NFL; over 230 consecutive regular season games.) If he puts together numbers similar to the last two seasons over the next three, he would be 6th all time in completions, 6th in TD passes, and 6th in total passing yards. His passer rating would be around 86.5 career (virtually the same as Marino, good for 21st all time). Not to mention passer rating is largely overrated.
Throwing out numbers like 5000 yards and 40 TDs is nonsensical. I hate these type of HOF debates anyway. Ralph needs to go to work and not phone in with this bs type of sports talk soapbox crap.
Sorry I ranted. Just, QBR isn't the same as passer rating and Eli doesn't need to have a freak season to get in the hall. He needs to be old reliable. He's good enough as is.
If Eli has three seasons of 100+ passer rating; a SB ring #3 and a few probowls he just makes it impossible for anyone to keep him out. That is the premise of my post: make it impossible for him to be passed over for any legit reason. Remember, Eli turns the ball over a lot leading the league 3x.
I predict Eli will have the best season of his career this year under McAdoo and the WCO. Just stay healthy and do damage in the playoffs.
Oh and the Giants took future star wr Bobby Gatewood ND
ehh anyways it reads To Bobby the Best Jim Plunkett
either way Eli will be top 7-8 in every passing record that
matters by the Time he is done I'm hoping for Two more Rings
in back to back fashion ...Think Garry Wright Spooky Tooth